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Subject: Survivor Discussion V
Posted by: Superclydes
- [36371321] Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 19:38
Here we are again with the fifth edition. Keep up the interesting conversations. |
| 1 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 21:54
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Requesting that Ed, Shak or Mike send me the sortable stats from the Pain Game for RB, WR, TE and QB's (2004 projections and 2004 totals if you have the time). Thanks
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| 2 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 22:22
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I will be able to do it once I get home. I believe there was some type of discrepancy last year with using the LMSCL scoring system. JHHH had to use the Pain Game's scoring system to come up with the weekly scores. Just going from memory, so take that for what it is worth.
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| 3 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 22:32
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What the?? I take a break from the site and go out to put a cat back dual exhaust on the HEMI and man, like 30 posts and a whole new site. You guys are on it.
Scotty, you are going to have a stroke there buddy. The PCS and all this number crunching can't be good for you.
All I'm going to say about past season stats is, Tiki and C Mart. Good reference but IMO, don't bet the farm on them.
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| 4 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 23:37
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I know, I just want to see why there are so different.
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| 5 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 00:39
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Re: CMart & Tiki
I think we all have biases for or against certain players or types of players. Rationality really isn't the issue. Personally, CMart does nothing for me. He just isn't a sexy pick to me at all and I usually can't bring myself to take him even if he's the value. C. Dillon used to fall into the same category but I'm warming up to the guy.
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| 6 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 01:44
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Don't know where to get the projections from, but here's the top 30 scorers from last year.
Manning, Peyton 460.0
Culpepper, Daunte 456.0
McNabb, Donovan Q 359.0
Barber, Tiki 326.0
Alexander, Shaun 317.5
Favre, Brett 317.0
Green, Trent 316.0
Plummer, Jake 316.0
Tomlinson, L. 314.5
Delhomme, Jake 309.0
Martin, Curtis 303.5
Brees, Drew 296.5
Davis, Domanick 293.5
Brooks, Aaron 293.5
James, Edgerrin 285.5
Muhammad, Muhsin 284.5
Brady, Tom 282.0
Bulger, Marc 279.0
Gonzalez, Tony 272.0
Dillon, Corey 258.5
Gates, Antonio 258.0
Hasselbeck, Matt 257.0
Horn, Joe 257.0
Walker, Javon 253.5
Vick, Michael 252.0
Harrison, Marvin 245.0
Holt, Torry 245.0
Westbrook, Brian 244.5
Owens, Terrell 243.5
Carr, David 241.0
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| 7 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 04:56
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Scotty, you have mail....a ton of it!! First are last year's stats and the last are projections for this year.
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| 8 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 05:54
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DC,,
That is it. The best explanation I've heard yet. Look at the hype Drew Brees is getting this year. None. He's just not sexy.
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| 9 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 06:41
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Thanks Clyde.
Leaning towards Manning again.
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| 10 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 09:47
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I think I coined that phase "Sexy enough" a few years ago off a Soccer player who said he liked to play a Sexy brand of Football. GCobb would know all the Edneckisms!! Still I did like the Morgan & Stanley quote, so we'll even.
Yeah, me and "G" have talked about players we just don't like and CMart has been his least favorite Guy even when he was kicking Arse. I have that problem with Rudi Johnson for some reason, I just blow right by him when consideration comes for guys I might pick @#10.
FNAS, I had Brees lsat year and I loved it, probably because he was supposed to be a dud?
Scotty, Either Manning or LT are great picks..so i think it comes down to what you think is available @36. Shak has #27 so he can pick Manning and get a decent RB there, he does wait til 65 for his next pick.
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| 11 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 09:50
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I steal all my best material. :)
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| 12 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 10:14
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I really think as the season nears, you're going to be seeing a lot more love for Priest. I think he will gain ground on LT and by the time we draft, Priest and LT will be considered 1A and 1B in most mock drafts.
Another player that should make a move is McNabb. Just about everything I've seen has him as the #3 QB. Is Culpepper without Moss really going to be better than McNabb? I know that Culpepper outscored McNabb by a good margin last year, but the gap had to have closed and I'd have a hard time choosing between the two. They both should go in the first round of our drafts. It'll be interesting to see how soon they go. The next question is will anyone reach for the #4 QB in round 1?
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| 13 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 10:59
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Shak, Good observation on McNabb. Culpepper was without Moss a few games last year, but just the threat of Randy has to free up the other recievers. Does Culpepper stats drop? If Owens holds out how does that affect McNabb. It's clear they are the concenus top 2-3 QB's. I had Culpepper in this last year and he was the sole reason I stayed around as long as I did. Waiting for a QB after round two is a dangerous game. I think you will see more QB's go in round two this year then last.
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| 14 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 11:37
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I think the Westbrook holdout is the real problem in Philly. T.O. has no leverage whatsoever and appears to be way too money hungry to actually hold out. Westbrook, on the other hand, signed a 1-year tender and still hasn't shown up. If they lose him for any real games I think McNabb could lose some value. Westbrook is a nice outlet valve for McNabb and also keeps defenses honest.
As for Culpepper, I agree. Everyone is acting like Daunte will just continue on like normal. I don't see it. Moss is a special talent and I remember many TDs where Daunte would just toss the ball in Moss' general direction and rely on his supreme athleticism to make the catch. I'm not sure Burleson is capable of bailing him out like that.
I'll have to differ with Shak on the Priest Holmes theory. I just don't see him reeling him in mock drafts. Not saying he should be drafted up there, I just think LT, Alexander, and Manning are too solid and too far ahead for him to catch up.
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| 15 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 11:38
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Terribly Overrated Owens is in camp and I don't think he is threatening to walk out. It's sad that someone with so little common sense is being misled by a greedy agent only interested in furthering his own career. TO will eventually realize he has no leverage and his ego won't allow him to miss any time. That doesn't mean he won't be a huge distraction though. At least they got one good year out of him.
What has to worry Donovan Q. fans is how he will handle the devastating loss of the People's Champ, Freddie Mitchell.
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| 16 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 12:06
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Owens terribly overrated? Sure he's a pain in the butt, but he's as competitive a WR as their is in the NFL. Distraction, sure, a coach's nightmare and saviour. From a fantasy perpective he's money in the bank if playing.
I love Priest, I think you see Johnson a little more then Preist owners will want. They have to spell him at least every third series this year?
Mitchell is the prime example of the Edneck in little league baseball, football, I was the best nobody could touch me, I was the man and I let everyone know it. I get to high school and I'm very average and have to fight for every minute I get on the field. The Talent level rises big time from College to NFL and some just can't beleive they are not still the man, which means I have to showboat off the field to get noticed....
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| 17 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 12:32
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I actually stole the monicker "Terribly Overrated" from Skip Bayless of ESPN Cold Pizza. He feels that TO is overrated and not a big game player because of his failure to step up in SF's last two playoff losses. He discounts TO's stats in the Super Bowl, saying that the NE defensive backfield was hit with injuries and they were determined to keep TO in front of them and not let him have any big plays -- which they succeeded in doing.
I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with Skip, but I like to read/hear negative articles about athletes that I hate. I would have a hard time picking TO and having to root for him. I faced that decision last year when he slipped to the #18/19 slot. I had to take a pass on him then and I'm glad I did.
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| 18 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 12:40
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I mean I don't have much respect for Moss, Owens, and a few others, but it wouldn't keep me from taking them. I understand If you have to decide between Owens and a player of equal talent, you would rather have someone you enjoy watching play.
I mean i used to have that problem with Terry Glenn back in his hayday and everytime I selected him, I got a little sick inside during the draft and usually during the season also, I loved the way Parcells treated him and his comments, so I can understand Skips and your feelings.
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| 19 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 12:57
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As far as naming the leagues why don't we just use the Winner and Runnerup from last year. Superclyde Division and the Shak Division?
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| 20 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 13:13
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I don't know if we should stroke Mike like that. Can he handle it? How about if we name it after the guys picking first? One way or another, let's try to settle this ASAP.
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| 21 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 13:23
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MAybe the superbowl teams? Patriot and Eagle divisions? Yeah, Mike couldn't handle it, Lakenheath would think the Hindenburg showed up and it would only be Mike's head flowing down the road?
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| 22 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 13:54
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T.O. is not overrated. On an actual NFL team, I'd take him over Moss every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Dude gives effort.
Skip Bayless is a tool. Too much makeup and that freaky, raised eyebrow thing.
Divison names? Kournikova & Sharapova.
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| 23 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 15:55
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Recent sighting of a Zeppelin on RAF Lakenheath!! Too funny!
I don't think just because you "rolled the bones" the best you should get to name it. If I get a vote, it should be named Lombardi division for one. Shak can name the other. This is all about bragging rights, mainly, so why not let the top two from last year name the leagues?
I would take Owens over Moss. Owens played with a partially healed broken leg. Moss sat out when his team needed him to try and push for the playoffs. These guys get paid BIG bucks, they need to play while injured. If Moss did get injured further, he has all of off season to heal. He didn't play and his team needed him and he still had all of off season to heal. Nowadays, you should be playing unless you can't walk. All of that money and you can come in to play one play to keep your streak of continuous games alive, but when you are really needed, you stand on the sidelines or even leave early??
GROW UP!! At least T.O. has his heart in the right spot. He wants to win a ring. Moss wants media.
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| 24 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 16:04
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Skip Bayless is a tool. Too much makeup and that freaky, raised eyebrow thing.
Skip Bayless is a thoughtless jackass that has made his journalism career from slamming people. That's why he was run out of Texas
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| 25 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 16:29
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Ed said, "I love Priest"
Man lover?
(Stealing a phrase from Clyde)
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| 26 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 16:33
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The only reason I suggested using the names of the guys picking first is so that players would know which was which. If you name the divisions based on something that has no connection to the leagues, it makes it harder to distinguish.
Oh what the hell, I guess it doesn't really matter. I'll even go with Fook Mi and Fook Yu.
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| 27 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 16:34
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Yes, Skip is a tool, but any enemy of TO is a friend of mine! I'll take Moss over TO just because he's currently less annoying.
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| 28 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 16:35
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Chuck -- Assume you're either from Texas or spent a good deal of time there. What's your story?
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| 29 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 17:35
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Shak I already named them the Lambert and the Campbell leagues way back at the beginning of one of the previous threads. It was my idea that we name them after two HoF'ers, one offensive and one defensive player. Next year the guys picking 1st will get to pick their favorite HoF'er to name the league after. Can you change the name on the myfantasyleague.com sites?
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| 30 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 17:37
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Thread where league names became Campbell and Lambert
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| 31 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 17:59
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GC,,
Raised in Spring Texas, Stationed at Carswell for 12 years and at Dyess for 3. Join the AF see TX. Well except for the 7 between Germany and Kadena and the 3 at Shaw. Hope to be headed back very soon as a Mr.
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| 32 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 18:07
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I spent 3 years in Austin before the family moved up to Marshall. Stayed there until I left HS and joined the AF. First base, I went right back to Austin (Bergstrom) until they shut that base down. Hope to be headed back to God's country in a couple years myself...as a Mr.
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| 33 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 18:32
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Campbell and Lambert?? Who seconded that motion? Which is which? You sure you don't want Fook Mi and Fook Yu? Can I name mine Dixe Normous? I can't get enough of Austin Powers.
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| 34 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 19:38
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"Freaking laser beams on their heads!"
I didn't hear any second on that motion. So now that the top picks have changed, do those people get to pick divisions??
Just kidding, I really don't care one way or another.
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| 35 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 19:58
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If I can't name the division I want my pick back. Not really just thought I would spazz like SC.
GC,,
Your showing your age there my man. I had to go to Bergstrom once. December 1980, had to pick up my pay check while on leave in between tech school and my first assignment to Carswell. That's right boys. Life before sure pay.
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| 36 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 20:59
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FNAS, I actually met a girl in basic training from Sprang (as she liked to say) Texas. Small world.
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| 37 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 21:21
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My actual proposal was that the two guys with teh top picks named the divisions after a HoFer. One picked an offensive player and the other a defensive player. So on that note it would be Ed and Chucks decision.
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| 38 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 21:46
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SC,,
My sister is the only female from Spring to join the AF. What's your point?
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| 39 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 21:50
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RBP,,
You know I'm good with cambell.. Unless you want to change it to BIG EARL, The Tyler Rose, The Tyler Terror, Or 'Damn did you see that"?
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| 40 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 22:13
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FNAS -- You're about to lose your Texan status. Give Big Earl some respect and spell his last name right. It's Campbell. :-)
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| 41 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 22:14
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I probably am showing my age some. I came in the AF in '87 and stayed at Bergstrom until '93 when BRAC reared its ugly head. That base was a sweet assignment...very few people knew it existed...even in Austin.
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| 42 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 22:17
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Hippy hollow? Well that's what it was called prior to 80
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| 43 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 22:46
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Just commenting that I knew someone from Spring, Texas. I can't say that in my 13 years in I have met anyone else from there. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
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| 45 | RBP
ID: 175571322
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 02:02
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Ed name League #1 after a Hall of Famer. The other league is "Campbell".
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| 46 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 05:52
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SC,,
Just BSing.. Neither of my sisters are in.
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| 47 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 06:48
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Survivor 2005 Earl Campbell Conference
ECC for short.
I'll let Ed name the other league since he's so old. We'll have to wait until he is done with his nap first.
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| 48 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 07:27
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Ed...nap....he never sleeps!!
No worries FNAS, just found it interesting that someone else I "know" is from the same relatively small town.
Scotty you have a bunch more mail.
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| 49 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 08:45
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Since I'm a Cleveland Boy, I have to name the Conference after the greatest runningback of all time "Jim Brown". Earl would have been proud to walk in his footsteps
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| 50 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 08:49
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You Texas boys, dont even bring up E. Smith when you say the greatest. I'll grant he was a perfect fit on several good teams and his vision was Jim Brown like, but totally a different type of back. I did like him and he was fun to watch.
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| 51 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 09:15
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FNAS, Where you @ Carswell when that Buff went down in Lake Worth?
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| 52 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 09:33
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If we are naming the divisions after HOFs, can we name one of them Raffy Palmeiro? I think he really needs our morale support. Poor guy is going thru some tough times over an innocent mistake.
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| 53 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 09:45
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Shak -- We need to get you some of those emoticon's so we can tell when you're being sarcastic.
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| 54 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 11:19
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:-)
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| 55 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 12:31
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Remember Raffy's comment's during the Senate hearings!! I mean I'm sure taking Roids helps your power numbers, but baseball is about timing and stroking the "sweet spot" as my wife likes to call it. Shak and sarcasm go hand in hand :-)
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| 56 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 13:00
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You don't think it was the Viagra that caused a false reading, do you?
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| 57 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 13:15
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LOL.
It's like my old buddy from Austin says to me all the time. "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
Raffy taking roids at this stage of his career after he just testified before congress and MLB had implemented a roids testing program is just plain stupid.
On a side note, I heard yesterday that Canseco has another book coming out called "Vindicated" and he intends to sell out some NFL players in this one. Could get interesting.
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| 58 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 13:35
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What makes it even worse for me is I started him in place of a injured Helton? I saw the 10 day suspension to late.
Are roids like Drugs addictive? Life has been extremely hard on SuperClyde!! He He
Viagra? Did he really blame it on that?
Canseco is a Joke and it looks like he had a few members of his Roid parties correct, Sammy, Raffy, McGuire, Bonds..
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| 59 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 13:40
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Have you forgotten that Raffy was a pitchman for Viagra?
It seems that Deion beat Canseco to the punch by fessing up to 'roids usage. If only Deion had used 'roids when he was in MLB, he might have been a little more successful.
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| 60 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 13:55
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All seriousness aside, anyone interested in joining a football pool. We have about 50 guys/gals. Entry fee is $50 and there is a weekly payout and overall payouts. It's hosted on Sportsline with 100% payback. No point spreads -- just pick the winners. E-mail me if interested.
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| 61 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 15:34
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Ed,,
Urban legend. I've actually researched it. I was weened on the BUFF. I have never found any reference to a B-52 crashed into Lake Worth. None of the old heads that were there in the 70s ever heard of it. I have a site that lists every B-52 and it's demise or current location. None show a crash at Carswell. There were 2 blown up for SART while I was there. There was a B-36 that went in at the end of the runway that all the Bass fisheman hung out at. While I was there, I watched a 1 F-4 and 1 F-16 crash into the lake. 1 F-16 crashed on the flight line and 1 B-52D gunner paniced and popped the turret after landing.
If you have something that show a Buff in Lake Worth, I would enjoy reading about it.
There was an old C model that the fire dept used as a trainer that was kind of out by the lake.
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| 62 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 15:47
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"Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
That my friend is awesome (and true).
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| 63 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 16:32
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I guess It was some other Plane? I just remember when I arrived one of the guys that had to retrieve the body and whatever, said a hand was servered and he had to bag it? I guess it wasn't a Buff. They let me fly the Buff simulator and I crashed it into the Lake, does that count!! I do remember the navy plane F-4 maybe, that crashed, while I was there.
Do you think I was being had about the hand?
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| 64 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 17:08
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The F-16 that crashed between WSA and the Buff flight line was the only one that I remember that teams other than crash and rescue picked up body parts. ANG pilot with a Marine in the back seat. Sad sad story. I was up in the command post as part of the battle staff when they brought up a half burnt picture of the pilot and his daughter playing in a baby pool. I want to say that was 88 - 91 ish.
There was an Evergreen cargo plane that crashed after T O just North of the town of Lake Worth. I was working in Job control at the time and remember CP over the crash net saying that it crashed in Lake Worth. Of course, everyone assumed the lake initially. I think there was a team from the base that went out to pick up parts. That should have been around 85 plus or minus a year or 2. I would have to look at some old APRs
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| 65 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 17:12
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"Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid."
My very first supervisor's favorite saying, " if you're going to be stupid, you gotta be tough". Words I live by and preach some 25 years later.
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| 66 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 17:35
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FNAS,
I was there from 87-90 and I think it the ANG crash happened in 89. They told me shrapnel and plane parts were flying all over the place pinging off the hangers. The Bomb NAV guys said it wasn't a pretty sight. I worked Two mini-mainframes, one-real world the other for training purposes and the NAvigator guy who did the training missions would tell me all this stuff, since I actually never went out to the flightline. A long time ago and names I just can't remember. I'm sure we bumped into each other a few times, I was the good looking stud who worked in the Vault inside the big Vault if that makes sense.
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| 67 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:16
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89 sounds right. They found body parts up in the flight line ball park lights. The marine in the back seat had a different type flight suit than the AF version. The mission was for the plane to strafe the 301st flight line as a mock attack. When the plane went in to a dive, it was said that the Marines flight suit expanded with the G force. When it did, it pushed the stick forward so when the pilot tried to pull up, he couldn't. Not sure how that was possible?It first impacted the ground about 50 ft past the WSA. Parts ripped through 3 Buffs. The nose landing gear came to rest 3 feet in front of that jets crew chief. She passed out and cracked her coconut on the asphalt.
Meanwhile, the pilots wife was stuck at the front gate on her way to meet the pilot for lunch.
Long answer for yep, your guy could have found a hand. It was a mess.
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| 68 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:20
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I know the Vault. I had to pick up messages there for Maintenance. I was in OMS. Batted 3rd and 4th, played left field, fast pitch and slow pitch and played QB.
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| 69 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:38
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Crazy, In the ballpark lights, damn! I guess we better get back to something a little less depressing. Like why the hell did we drop off that #1 spot. I'm having mixed emotions about it!
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| 70 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:44
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A regular Johnny-Dynamo, I remember you now, girls always hanging around, Superstar on back of uniform and everyones' buddy...I hated you!!! He HE
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| 71 | GCobb
ID: 387201918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 19:44
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Why don't you two get a room! :-)
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| 72 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 19:59
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Man your right,, Sorry about that. Brought up some really bad images that I thought I got rid of. I guess they were stuck in a temp file.
Oh well, back to football. I hate to say it but Woody Paige called it the other day. I can't remember if it was cold pizza or around the horn. He said he would not be surprised if Owens came up with a hammy or a groin injury. Something that couldn't be proven.
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| 73 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:05
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No kidding, enough of memory lane, lets talk T.O.!!
His injury seems to be genuine, but is it a ploy for the new contract? He has apparently made some outstanding catches so far and now will he sit back and watch the other receivers make mediocre catches and then he can say, "Look what you can't do without me!"
Moss seems to be VERY quiet. That is strange. I would have at least thought he would be saying Culpepper was a girl or something like that.
Seriously, do you think T.O. or his idiot agent use this against the organization to press for a new contract? I hope not. He is a gifted athlete and needs to let his actions speak for him and not his mouth. Especially about the great Favre!!
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| 74 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:14
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"G" You are the only friend I got left and you got too pick on me?
What's next "Ed first off the rock"
I'll try and spark a football conversation.
I'm intersted in Arizona this year as a Sleeper. I mean with Warner, Arrington, Shipp, Fitzgerald, Boldin that has the makings of a decent offense?
I really like Fitzgerald to make vast improvements over last year. Boldin rookie year a fluke, I don't think so. I think Warner could be a decent pick this year compared to his time in Giant land.
I never saw Arrington in College, so I don't have a clue, thye say he's pretty good?
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| 75 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:16
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I'm tired of talking about Owens.....next!!!
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| 76 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:25
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Mike I listened too stories about a girl you knew from Spring Texas and about Bergstrom, and about some other dried out town in Texas. At least our stories involved blood and guts.
No kidding...
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| 77 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:38
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Quick hitter.
I will take Manning, it was grueling decison but I have made up my mind. Now with that being said I will tell all once the draft is over how I came to tha trationale.
I feel like I can draft a better team in ECC than I can in the JBC because I feel like I'll be starting out with a head start by taking Manning. I devulge more after we draft. I also am human and could be wrong but I like my chances better in the ECC then the JBC.
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| 78 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:47
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RBP, Stop, your scaring me with all this secret I'll devulge my gameplan later stuff? :-)
Your making me feel bad about dropping down now?
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| 79 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:48
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I think the primo spot is 1-36-37 etc. From that position I feel real good that I could build a monster squad.
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| 80 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:48
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OK my comment wasn't about Owens, it was about Woody Paige.
Owens plays or he doesn't. I'm more concerned about Stokely.
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| 81 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 20:55
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Stories? I had a one line post.
Ok enough Owens. I do like Arizona this year, but I am not too sold on Warner. He is definitely past his prime and should be in more of a support role, just like Rice. Shipp was looking good until the injury last year, Fitzgerald is going to be a stud. He has great hands and speed. For his rookie year, he did pretty decent. Give him a decent QB with time and no telling what he could do. Glad I have him in a keeper. Boldin you can never tell. After his breakout rookie year, he has been injured. Just reminds me too much of Boston. I also am not sure of Arrington. Talk is that he will win the starting job, but we'll see.
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| 82 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 21:21
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The thing aboout taking Manning is he can't play much better then he did last year, so his totals have to come down a little bit. A few RB's will improve on their numbers from last year.
I can see the why having Manning and a few other supporting cast members will do pretty well.
I have 10, 36,37,46, not a bad four to start off the JBC with. I do think Shak will have a solid team picking 1 and 26, it just depends on who he can get to compliment those two picks.
Would you rather have:
T. Green and J. Jones or
Manning and Dunn?
I think you can get Jones @ 12-15 and you can get Green maybe in round two.
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| 83 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 21:45
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My second pick will be better than Dunn, bank on it.
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| 84 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 21:59
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Let me reiterate something real quick before I forget.
The ECC and JBC winner will not win because of some superstar stud they took in round 1. They will win because they maximixed each and every pick getting good value in return.
In every league I've ever been in it's the sleepers that make the difference between winning and losing. The guys who drafted solid teams a few years ago then picked up Kurt Warner when Green went down immediately became contenders and many won their leagues. Clyde drafted Moose in round 7 last year, Moose had more to do with him winning then Alexander did at #3 because it was like he had 2 first round picks (after the fact, stay with me). So essentially we all get 10 picks, one per round. At the end of the draft I'd like to look back and see that in round 1 I got a solid 1st rounder. In round two it would be nice to get a guy who should have been a 1st rounder or worst case a solid second rounder. In round 3 I'd like to get a 3rd rounder. 4th a 4th. 5th maybe I gamble on a sleeper and get a 3rd rounder. 6th round get a 5th rounder. 7th round get a 3rd rounder etc etc.
So at the end of the draft I have maximixed each pick in each round to the fullest extent. You guys know all this stuff. So as much as I talk about Manning or LT #1 all I'm trying to do is maximize teh value for that pick taking a calculated risk on how he will perform and who that will leave me to fill other critical positions. In rounds 2 and 3 when owners are scrambling for their starting QB (and it will happen because you will not win without a QB, bank that) I'm taking a calculated risk that a RB or WR will fall to me with enough value to justify taking Manning #1. Now if 35 RB's are taken between the time I pick again in round 2 then yes I will "probably" have a crappy RB. I'll also will have started my team out with arguably the best QB and WR combo so all wouldn't be lost.
In closing, I have NEVER been more pumped for a fantasy football draft. You guys are excellent owners who know their crap and winning in 2005 will be tougher than ever. I look forward to the challenge!
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| 85 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:07
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I'm not sure you all realize how hard it is for me to pass on LT.
On a side note in the later rounds when the cheat sheets start to blur together we'll see who knows what they are doing and who doesn't. Every pick counts, can't afford to waste any picks regardless of the round. Heck Antonio Gates went undrafted in 2004 in our league, imagine if somebody had the balls to take a flyer on him in round 10!? Antonio Gates was under the radar for the most part and maybe a bad example but those are the exact type of players you need to get late in the draft. This years "Antonio Gates" is out there, we just have to find them.
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| 86 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:08
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"You guys are excellent owners who know their crap"
That comment was not intended for Clyde, sorry if I offended anyone.
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| 87 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:10
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That was a pretty good assessment. Excellent comment about getting the #1 QB/WR combo if all of the RB's get taken. This is a set lineup, so a weak RB would hurt you, but everyone know's there won't be that many RB's taken in the first and second round.
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| 88 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:13
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Can't argue with your logic Scott. I have no idea what I'm doing in this type league but am smart enough not to pay too much attention to some of the stuff being slung around here. To be honest, the entire reason I gave up the #1 was to get 3 picks in the top 40. I fully agree that that 3rd round pick is probably more important than the #1 & #2 in terms of having a chance to win.
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| 89 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:22
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All the different leagues I'm in and all the crap that is tossed around, I never hear anyone mention MCallister. I don't know if people or afraid to say his name thinking that others are going to forget about him or what. You would think that New Orleans would realize that if they are going to win, they need to keep the ball out of Brooks' hands as much as they can.
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| 91 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 22:52
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RE 86:
Survivor Championships
Superclydes = 1
RBP = 0
Enough said punk:o)
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| 92 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:20
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lmao! Touche
McAllister, hmmmm. I think he's a good back. In a 12 team league he'd be a great #2 RB. I go ahead and put it out there that J. Jones is going to be a monster and I'd love to have him. I'm higher on Jamal Lewis than most. I think A. Green will underperform in 2005. I think Priest will get hurt again. I think Moss returns to 'leet status. I'm curious to see where Ricky Williams and Marshall Faulk get drafted and more importantly how well they play. I'm also on the Arizona bandwagon, get those guys in the middle rounds and your going to be good to go. Arrington is a nice sleeper, get him in at least 1 league. Not sold on any rookie RB's yet, actually one I am, but thats between me and me.
Super Bowl prediction...
Indy 34
Philly 24
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| 93 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:56
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I also like Lewis. He probably had a lot of time to think in the klink, so he can turn that anger to yards on the field. Duce is going to have a good year. Not top 10 anymore, but could still be a number 1 on those teams who picked early, in smaller leagues. R. Williams will be an interesting sight. After smoking all of that dope, he probably didn't do sprints, so will he still have the stamina for a full game? Faulk to me isn't going to factor this year. He won't be much more than a 3rd down back after game 4. S. Jackson will take over. A. Green will have a decent year as usual. I think Favre might miss a game or two this year. Concussion? You can only play this game so long before one mistake on the O-line will get him creamed. I hate to say that because I am a Packer fan, but it has to happen sooner or later and he has been going for 200+ games so far. Priest will need a plastic hip after this season. He will try to play with the nagging injury all season and his numbers will reflect that. Moss will be the big distraction in Oakland and J. Porter will become the numbers producer for them. T.O. will rip it up. He has the QB that can offer the opportunity to produce. Records could fall in Philly this year.
Anyone else?
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| 94 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 00:38
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McCallister -- If he had some toughness he could be the best back in the league. But, he has some estrogen running around in his body.
J. Lewis -- A bit stiff and not the greatest receiver out of the backfield. Plus, he takes himself out of games every 3rd carry 'cause he's winded. I want a back you can't drag off the field.
Priest -- Fluke injuries if you ask me. RBP is taking Manning #1, assume LT goes #2, that leaves me Priest with the #3. Fitting that I'd get a beloved Longhorn in the Earl Campbell conf. I like Alexander but he's 4 TDs one week and 0 the next...that gets you shipped right off the rock around here.
A. Green -- I think he's slipping and his O-line took a huge hit this offseason. No thanks.
T.O. -- Should put up numbers like last year if they can get Westbrook in camp. I think the injury is legit, not posturing.
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| 95 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 00:41
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Agree with the love Arizona is getting. The O-line has some talent. Boldin, Fitz both have talent. D. Green can coach. Not sure about Arrington. Racked up tons of yards in college but how much of it was him and how much was the system? His backup at Cal, Marshawn Lynch, had 8.8 yds/carry in that offense. The key is definitely Warner...does he have anything left? No clue.
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| 96 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:02
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"I think Favre might miss a game or two this year. Concussion? You can only play this game so long before one mistake on the O-line will get him creamed. I hate to say that because I am a Packer fan, but it has to happen sooner or later and he has been going for 200+ games so far."
Gotta disagree, how many games has Favre missed in his career? Doesn't he have 130 straight starts? BF is a warrior and the ultimate Survivor QB.
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| 97 | Superclydes
ID: 36371321
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:22
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I am just playing on the law of averages. I haven't predicted this before but he isn't as young as he used to be. I would love to agree with you Scott, but I have a feeling.
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| 98 | RBP
ID: 246551918
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:47
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I also have a feeling.
I have a feeling that for the 365th day in a row I'm going to eat too much tonight for dinner.
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| 99 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 09:33
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I believe it's spelled McAllister: I think he will have his more productive year, I think his only problem is in his running style he takes some monster hits and that leads to injuries, sort of like Henry, who I think takes too many big shots. He's a top Ten back when he's playing?
A. Green: You never know, if he holds on to the ball and breaks a few long ones he'll produce just fine, Davenport will get to many touches for me to take him before #10.
Lewis: If he's lost weight, some attitude and is breathing a lot better then last year I might consider him from 10-15.
Moss/Owens: I would never take them in a twelve team league #1. but they are worth taking before #18 for some, just not me!!
Gary must be happy to have Priest or Alexander fall in his lap, #1 bonus of that draft?
The two main guys I'm interested in where they go are Portis and MCgahee...not sure are they top ten material?
All I can say is Scott is right this is going to be very competitive and very hard to win. I'm looking forward to it as much as he is......SuperClyde wins it again and I'll never say he got lucky ever again!!
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| 100 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:06
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Scotty, you hope your pick @36 is better then Dunn, If he scored a few more TD's he would be a decent pick. As far as winning I think Clyde proved you can win with a very average QB in Vick. Sure he had Alexander and Moose along with others, but he sure didn't get Manning type points or even Bulger type points?
We all know it changes from year to year on what position seems to be scoring better then the last, quite a few TE's were huge last year.
20 different ways to skin a cat and win in Fantasy football..I think your tactics are sound and I hope for everone else's sake your wrong.
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| 101 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:18
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Ooops. Definitely messed up the spelling. Oh well, he gets no respect from me anyway...cost me any shot at this thing last year.
Agree on Portis & McGahee. It will be interesting to see where both of them go. I think McGahee is overrated and Portis is underrated...but by how much?
A. Green is done. Put it in the books.
Probably more than 20 ways to skin a cat. Just don't reach for your first 2-3 picks and hit a couple homeruns late. Now, if it was just that simple.
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| 102 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:34
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Not like I can give anyone spelling lessons? Don't feel bad the experts even spell it like that at times?
I have a guy who could make a decent sleeper pick this year and that's Melwede Moore, I just don't think Bennett is a every down back and O. Smith is Wizzing away I think.
If only I was right one time, my record stinks on picking these sleepers during the draft. My bread and Butter is the Free Agent market...
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| 103 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:44
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Matter of fact, I looked @ the scoring and Vick was the 12th best QB? Take what you want from that!!
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| 104 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:47
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I agree Ed, there were some incredible TE's last year. Gates and Crumpler were two off of the top of my head.
I am not sure I would say McGahee is overrated, just hyped up in the media because of his incredilbly blown out knee and how he took over Henry's spot.
Portis is a good RB. Top 5 if he had a decent line. Can Washington provide him the time to find the holes? I don't think this year, but he could have a very productive year.
A. Green isn't done. Favre isn't 28 anymore and he is such a good back receiving out of the backfield. I could see his run total decreasing and his receiving increasing with short outlet passes.
As far as Manning goes, I believe he was out of the Survivor game in week 1. Don't quote me on that, but I know it was early. Those who pick early will have to rely more on their other picks to carry them through and not just their number 1. However Scotty and everyone else above me, feel free to take the sleeper picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Good time to get them because no one will expect it.
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| 105 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:49
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I have to disagree with this statment from Scott:
I think the primo spot is 1-36-37 etc. From that position I feel real good that I could build a monster squad.
I don't think it is the primo spot, in fact I think those that have to pick from the corners are at a huge disadvantage. With 35 picks between odd and even round picks, you have to anticipate which runs will occur and you have to make reaches, which you wouldn't have to do if your picks were better spaced out.
I also find it very interesting that there have been only two trades and both involved the number one pick. Certainly Scott must feel that the 1-36-37 is the best primarily because of the #1 pick. Now Scotty has the 1-36-53. I think not having the back to back picks at 36-37 is going to hurt him.
The other statement I disagree with is I really don't think to win you will have to "maximize each and every pick getting good value in return." I think there is too much luck involved in this format -- Mike is a good example of that. :-) How many picks did Mike "maximize" last year. Alexander and Vinatieri were good and MM was outstanding, but aside from those three, I don't think he came close to maximizing. The two guys that will win will be the ones to catch the most breaks and avoid injuries.
My feeling is you won't win the league with your draft, but you can lose it. By that I mean you can have an excellent draft, but you need some luck, avoid injuries, and not have a single down week. Conversely, you could throw away any chance of winning by making a couple of poor picks (i.e. two PKs, no RB until 4th round, etc).
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| 106 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:58
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Although Manning was the first QB chosen, he was not taken until the 10th pick last year. The Champs selected him and actually ended up losing on a tiebreaker with JoeFut. The Champs were done in by taking Eddie George in the 2nd and Vanderjagt in the 3rd, a slight reach considering next PK wasn't taken until the 7th round, 64 picks later.
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| 107 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:12
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There were some "interesting" pick choices last year for the round they were in. Like you said, Vandy in the 3rd?
I will admit that I did get lucky with injuries and having MM go off the chart with points. I don't think I had a bad draft though. Price was a waste of an entire draft pick and Fiedler was as well. I was reaching with Fiedler, but needed a backup. My worst value/production was Vick. Talk about feast or famine. Mostly famine. Even though I won it all last year, I learned some lessons and have my own strategy I am going after, but that could go out the window if there is a run on any position I am not prepared for. Not that I won't be prepared, but it just won't be following my "ideal" draft plan. Happens every year, so I guess I will just plod along and hope for sleepers and no injuries.
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| 108 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:28
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You guys remember the great QB run last year? There were 13 QBs taken in the 6th round!! That was incredible. Then there were no QBs taken in the 7th or 8th rounds. I've never ever seen a run like that. Can we expect the same thing this year or was last year an abberation? It's a tough decision on whether or not to use 2 of your first 6 picks on a QB.
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| 109 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:30
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One correction to the last post, Rattay was taken with the first pick of the 7th, which ended the run.
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| 110 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:21
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That was a crazy run, it went like this:
6.1 Carr
Moe Williams JHH already had two QB's
Warner
Harrington
Testaverde
Bledsoe
Palmer
Brunell
Randle-EL
mCcOWN
Brad Johnson
Boller
Kennison
Grossman
Fiedler
D. Foster, RBP said the hell with the run
Quincy Carter
Driver
7.1 Rattay
Now that was scary and I was glad I was on the beginning of the run not the end.
I got a funny feeling it might happen earlier this year?
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| 111 | Shak
ID: 481029813
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 13:55
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I'd like to now divulge my strategy for the draft, but unfortunately, it is so top secret, that even I don't have access to it. Either that, or I still don't have a clue what I'm going to do.
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| 112 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:34
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I keep changing my mind from one day to the next? My plan is to not have a plan from pick #2 on and just wing it...
Which I guess is the same as I don't have a clue either!!
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| 113 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 16:31
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Don't believe the hype, I'm game planning rounds 1-4 in both drafts and winging in in round 5-10. Too many variables to expect that I could actually plan out a 10 round, 18 team draft. I have a "concept", I guess you could call that a plan.
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| 114 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 16:46
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In ref to 105 I guess I'll just have to start the runs, not finish them.
On a side note I will be in the middle of a PCS, homeless and computer less, so having my picks back to back will benefit me more than you know. Easier to preselect back to back picks and I shouldn't be clogging up the draft ewaiting on me. I would hate to be the guy who brings a draft to a halt. myfantasyleague tracks how long it takes you to make your picks, very nice feature.
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| 115 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 16:53
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"RBP said the hell with the run"
I'm sure that was no surprise.
Actually when S. Davis went down I was golden with Green, Jones and Foster manning the RB position (hard to get 3 starting RB's with 18 teams and no waiver wire). Then Foster got hurt and bye weeks got me.
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| 116 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 17:56
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Is it best to start a run, end a run, or be right in the middle?
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| 117 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:00
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I know each week a different team was considered the most likely to win from about week 1 through week 10, after that Clyde was clearly the favorite.
I know after RBP had three quality looking RB's and scored the high score, until GCobb went huge and passed him, he was the favorite along with Corky, STB, and Clyde. Luck and injuries at the wrong time were the demise of those favorites.
It will happen again, no one is safe any week, just more likely savivors then others.
I didn't think I was strong enough to last, and I was never in any trouble and the second most consistent scorer until I went out with 3 weeks left to go. That's the beauty and pleasure of this league and I throughly enjoy even week.
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| 118 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:04
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The problem with starting one, you never know you have started one until its over? So I guess three or four picks into the run is the best position to be in.
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| 119 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:16
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Starting the run. If I pick a QB and the next 6 guys after me pick QB's that could mean a few things for me.
1) I got in just in time to get my guy, who I feel is better than the other 6 QB's.
2) maybe those owners panicked and took a QB because they didn't want to get left out, thus leaving a better player for me in the next round.
3) If I end the run on a position then I got quite possibly the worst player in that tier. Why not go and get the best player in another tier group.
So if I had to rank the three options I'd rather start the run, be in teh middle next and I never ever want to end the run unless I absolutely have too.
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| 120 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:24
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Start all the runs you want. :-) Rarely is the first guy chosen much better than the 3rd or 4th guys chosen. Problem with trying to start them is you can never know for sure whether your starting one or just reaching. When you have 35 picks between picks, you have no choice but to try to start runs, which means you will occaisionally reach.
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| 121 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 21:03
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I never purposely try to start a run. If a run starts after I pick that's fine with me but I don't worry about it either way.
Shak do you remember when I told you to bet the ranch on tOSU versus Miami (Fla) in 2002 (actually 2003 but wh's counting?) Bucks were +10 and I was certain they would win, let alone cover. I have that same feeling with tOSU verus UT. I know UT will be the "dawg" but the Bucks will cover easily. Take it to the bank.
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| 122 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 23:19
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Yes, I remember that. That was a very good call. I thought you were just being a homer.
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| 123 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 23:26
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You must have also have a feeling Troy Smith is going to stay eligible. If he doesn't, and he's trying hard not to, it's all over but the crying in Columbus.
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| 124 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:36
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Troy Smith does not matter. Buckeye DEFENSE led by A.J. Hawk is the difference maker. TG2 might have something to say about it too.
GC this should get you fired up, it did for me.
Let's Do This
(Not a Korn fan but the clips are of tOSU and UT)
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| 125 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:41
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Let's Do This Now is the song, that's what the link was supposed to say.
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| 126 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:10
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Cool video. I like Korn and it seemed liked an appropriate song.
I never hear anyone mention McCallister. I don't know if people or afraid to say his name thinking that others are going to forget about him or what. That was my plan. Don't talk about him and maybe the top 8 forget about him.
After reading all the QB talk above, I think I will take one with my first 6 picks. ;)
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| 127 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 09:37
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Those Korn boys seemed a little angry and they were screaming? Vince Young's moves and running style look so effortless. That KR from OSU can fly! I love College day football, atmosphere during one is, lets just say nothing stands the hair up on your neck like that. The drummer's really get you going.
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| 128 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 13:31
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RBP -- I have to disagree with you that Troy Smith doesn't matter. I give OSU the edge if he starts because Texas will have to really concentrate on containing him. If he doesn't start it's a completely different story. OSU is going to have to score some points...I'd say about 20 if they want a chance to win.
I know OSU has a lights out defense and I've heard all the "A.J. Hawk and the LBs will take care of Vince" talk. I'll just say this...I love college football and watch a ton of it and I haven't seen any QB on the collegiate make the kinds of plays VY makes...except one...Michael Vick...and it's very, very close. FSU couldn't contain Vick in the Sugar Bowl and I don't think OSU will contain VY.
You like your chances with Ginn's explosiveness. VY has that same explosiveness and the bonus is he has the ball in his hands every play.
Should be fun.
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| 129 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 13:38
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Just checked out the video. Very nice. I absolutely love college football...beats NFL football by a mile.
Ginn is definitely a hoss. Everyone looks like they're running in slo-mo around him.
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| 130 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 13:41
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Edneck -- I think that's the thing with VY. He's a legit 6' 5" and looks like he's gliding on the field and I think it causes defensive players to underestimate his speed. He's like a gazelle out there.
Ginn is just a freak...Deion speed.
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| 131 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 17:45
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I know TS matters. I think Zwick starts and TS comes in and plays most of the game. Look at how bad scUM tackled vs UT! Horrible, they did the same versus the Bucks. I wish Ginn's TD return versus scUM was on the video, it was much better than the one on there. Concerns I have about Texas--VY escapability (sp?) and Texas in the trenches. They have a better O-Line and I think people tend to over look that.
OK, we can analyze all day long, which is fun, but I just have a feeling that the Buckeye defense will contain VY, force him to throw instead of run and the Bucks will win by 2 scores. Maybe a 24-10, 31-17, 28-14, 20-10 type of score. I have been wrong before, I hope I'm RIGHT on this one.
The Bucks in interviews won't even talk about Tejas, it's all about Miami first.
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| 132 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 18:48
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Is it me or does this Month already seem to being dragging along? I need a fantasy draft fix quickly.
Man who picked the 21th was a punk!!!
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| 133 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 21:57
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Definitely dragging. This coming week, when most of my drafts start, can't get here soon enough.
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| 134 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 00:41
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RBP -- UM didn't have much trouble tackling Benson, the #4 pick in the draft.
I see the line is OSU by 1. The guys in Vegas generally know what they're doing and I sure wouldn't mind a close game.
Bottom line: I want OSU to really show my boys something. Everything and anything to get them ready for the game with OU becasue that's the one that counts. Either team, OSU or UT, losing that early to a team ranked that high won't kill them.
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| 135 | Shak
ID: 165532722
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 00:59
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One team, Grim Reaper has the same draft position (11) in both leagues and 3 teams, Trash, Tribe, and 2Cool, are drafting one spot off from the other league. Will they draft some of the same players for both teams or will they intentionally build totally different rosters?
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| 136 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 02:58
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That is an interesting post Jim. You could go either way in that one. Pick the same and gamble that it works and try to take both prizes or pick different and try to get one to work.
Personally, I would probably draft the same because I think both drafts will go similar, at least for the first few rounds. There maybe some surprises, but it should fall pretty much in line with the each other.
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| 137 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 07:54
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I'd draft differently mainly for pleasure and secondly, most times 1-2 of your top 6 picks will under perform. I think you don't draft a completely diferent team, but change it up a little, just in case you suck, having a good chance of winning one league is better then none.
Either way it will come down to being injury free and lucky, so It probably won't matter much.
Like FNAS said, there is so many opinions running around and half of them are mis-leading, so just trust your own strategy and hope for the best.
I don't know everyone, but there seems to be a lot of exprienced players this year, so I don't think there will be as many surprizing picks as last year. You won't see T. Green in the top 11 picks and you wont see a Kicker taken so early.
Every pick will count this year.
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| 138 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 09:21
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"Either way it will come down to being injury free and lucky, so It probably won't matter much."
What I've been doing for the last 4 or 5 years is saving data from mock drafts from the so called experts and real drafts from the leagues I've been in. I use this info to compare strategies. Ed is exactly right. It's not so much what stud you get but more how healthy your team can stay.
In fact, one site I look at quite a bit, also goes so far to predict injuries based on touches of the ball, types and extent of prior injuries, and projected touches of the ball. There are some really big names at the top of the list this years that they predict to miss (they consider major as 6 or more games) a major amount of time this year. I really didn't put any faith in to this system until last year after my rosters looked like a C-9 flight line. Lots and lots of red crosses. I looked back at the projections compared to my team and others in the league and it was about 95% accurate.
That's the biggest reason I'm comfotable mooving down in the draft.
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| 139 | Edneck
ID: 115222815
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 11:44
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I can relate it to my baseball team: I probably had one of the better teams last year and this year, Helton, Beltran not performing, Mora, Vidro,Hernandez (C), Schmidt, Benetiz, Vasquez hurt or not performing. You get the picture, all it takes is 4-5 players to under perform and you will struggle.
You can't perdict that and you hope your backups are good enough to keep you in the hunt. In this format there is no backups, so your finished.
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| 140 | GCobb
ID: 16631113
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 12:28
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Lots of discussion on D. Davis on these threads. Sure looks like the Texans think highly of him.
Domanick Davis gets new contract
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| 141 | FNAS
ID: 475182816
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 13:46
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Davis is full of potential. Especially in leagues that award points for receptions.
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| 142 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 17:55
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13 days and counting.......
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| 143 | RBP
ID: 2962315
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 05:34
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new thread
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