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Subject: Auction Discussion #3
Posted by: GoatLocker
- Sustainer [060151121] Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 08:52
Probably time for a new thread.
Please use this one for comments.
I think I have things caught up.
Will see if I have time to catch up the Official Auction Purchases thread.
Quite the wake up call this morning when the shuttle went over head at 0508.
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| 1 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 08:55
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Not sure who owes the two players.
Let me see if I can figure it out.
Cliff
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| 2 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 08:58
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THK owes one.
Not sure who owes the other.
Cliff
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| 3 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 08:59
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Where are you located at GL. I was visiting my uncle in Southern Cali when I was 10 or 11 and the shuttle landed. The double sonic boom shook the house and I thought we were having an earthquake. My uncle thought it was pretty humorous though.
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| 4 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 09:06
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North of LA.
Right under where they crossed.
Took us a little bit to figure out that was what it was.
Was sure it wasn't the morning freight train that usually wakes me.
Cliff
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| 5 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 16:09
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Cliff would you mind sending me your spreadsheet. I really messed mine up and it is a pain trying to restart. Please and Thank You
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| 6 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 16:10
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My stick is sitting at home on my desk.
The spreadsheet is on the stick.
Will send it as soon as I get home tonite and update it for what has happened today.
Cliff
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| 7 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 16:14
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very good. Thank you very much.
I figure now is the time we really need an accurate count since we are getting down to the end.
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| 8 | sarge33rd
ID: 50741915
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 16:45
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OK...new pc at home, set-up, hooked-up...have not managed yet to moce the data from our old hard-drive. That will prolly be on the agenda for this weekend.
I will start a new thread, and under that thread I need for each manager to make one post. In that post, I need for you to indicate who you show n your roster, and how much you paid for them. Over the next couple days, I can reconcile that data with the "Official Purchases" thread.
Sorry about this disruption, but the pc going *poof* wasnt anywhere in the plans. :(
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| 9 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 16:58
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Jim,
I can send you my spreadsheet tonite after I get home and update it if you would like.
Cliff
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| 10 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 17:01
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that would be HUGELY helpful Cliff. Thanks!
disregard then, my post 8 above all. :)
sarge33rd@hotmail.com
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| 11 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 17:13
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Sarge, not that I don't trust GL or anything, but I would be happy to send you and Wiggs my spreadsheet also.
No offense GL, but I'm an Auditor and as a former manager told me, "In God We Trust, All Others We Audit"
Or in Sarge's case, audit everyone and everything.
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| 12 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 17:21
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lol makes sense to me frick. 2 or 3 such spreadsheets, once they all jive, tends to put a quick end to any "disputes". (not that we'd have any of those mind you.)
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| 13 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 17:23
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And we all know as a Branch Manager that I hate :) the financial guy. jk
Frick, sounds good to me.
No guarantees I have my sh*t together.
Cliff
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| 14 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 17:39
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As was pointed out earlier, my spreadsheet is not perfect. Although I have fixed that error.
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| 15 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 20:49
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Spreadsheet sent.
Bounce it against the others.
Not sure I might not have missed something over the last day and a half.
Cliff
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| 16 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 21:45
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Sarge, if someone has maxed their players in a position, would the technically be allowed to nominate a player of the same position.
Also, if a person has the max players for a position, they are not allowed to bid on those types of players correct.
Is there a penalty for this. Just something I thought about that should probably include in the rules.
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| 17 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 22:49
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If a manager has all the slots for a given position filled, then they cannot name a player of that position. (They must bid $1, and they might win.) nd bidding on such a player, like naming one, would have to be treated the same as "over bidding". You can over-bid in terms of $$'s and you can overbid by bidding on a player you cant take by virtue of the roster being full. In both cases, it constitutes a bid the manager cannot honor.
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| 18 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 22:51
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Frick and GL...got the spreadsheets thanks!
GL..looks like you need to add J Porter at $10 to your copy on wiggs squad and Frick, you need to add TJ Duckett at $7 to your copy of wazaap guys squad.
Then, the two spreadsheets jive totally. :)
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| 19 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 22:53
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Porter added.
Knew I was missing something, just couldn't see it.
Sounds good.
Cliff
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| 20 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 07:44
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Thanks guys for the assist in keeping things current. Tougher than nails, trying to keep up with this, w/o a puter. :(
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| 21 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 08:59
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A Vinatieri sold to Wiggs on Mon nite for $4
He has $42 left for 4 players.
Did not have this on my spreadsheet.
Sorry, missed it.
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| 22 | Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 09:26
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I believe enough time has passed and I have Foster. Would someone like to corroborate that?
Thanks
Don
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| 23 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 10:00
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I've got a meeting at our local office at 0800 this morning and then will be heading to my desk at the base.
Expect to be out of pocket about half of the day.
Will check back in when I get a chance.
Cliff
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| 24 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 1271036
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 10:54
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only 9 players up for bidding right now? should i post a guy in place of delhomme?
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| 25 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 11:39
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yep.
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| 26 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 1271036
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 11:53
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did a search in the purchases thread, couldnt find akers.
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| 27 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 11:53
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cool. running from memory atm since I'm at work.
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| 28 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 1271036
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 11:55
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i think akers was brought out in our first attempt at the auction draft before, i know that confused me a little.
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| 29 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 11:56
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Mason for $3...I love that buy on my thin thin team!
THK
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| 30 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 12:07
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Mason will either make Boller look better, or Boller will make Mason look "average". Thats why I think, Mason has slipped in the drafts quite a bit.
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| 31 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 14:33
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wazaap guy....I have you with $25 for 7 players. Who did you pick up for $3?
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| 32 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 14:33
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fund it...J Delhomme.
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| 33 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 1271036
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 14:34
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delhomme?
also, sorry about the akers thing, i dont have a spreadsheet or anything so am relying on 'find' in the purchases thread.
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| 34 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 14:34
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np re akers. happens sometimes.
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| 35 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 15:37
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damn...how far/fast has Marshalls stock fallen? 152 players TAKEN, before he even hits the board.
3-4 yrs ago...he was this yrs LT.
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| 36 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 15:48
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*********************************************
under the "rosters" thread, also make certin you include each players price in your listing. Remember, when trading, the players salaries go with them!
Its imperative then, that we all be in agreement, over who has whom and at what price.
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| 37 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 18:26
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I will add my saleries in later, I only came home for a minute and it is back to work.
YR, solid roster for that amount of money. Nicely done.
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| 38 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 20:43
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THK/Negative 20:
roflmao nice sense of humor THK.
want to echo wiggs comments YR. Very nice job.
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| 39 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 21:32
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Nice team kev, except I think there were better RBs you could have gotten for $38 than Ahman, but oh well. Looks pretty solid. I think Walker is going to have a huge year "playing mad".
THK
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| 40 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 23:11
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Is Bryant mine?
THK
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| 41 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 23:16
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Yes.
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| 42 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 11:28
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Eagle tell TO to leave camp...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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| 43 | kev
Donor
ID: 043111845
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 11:30
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THK, thanks for the compliments.
As for my RB situation, it came down to I didn't know if there would be anyone left after a 5 day leave without a comp. I decided to take my shots, and make sure I had my RB's set before I left. It cost me a crapload, but hey, it's life.
My bench is going to be weak, that is for sure.
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| 44 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 12:26
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At least you spent your $$$ on something kev! ;-)
I maybe able to make 1 FA move this season, MAYBE.
THK
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| 45 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 20:13
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SITS Roster.
I have Lelie at $7 vice $10
Buffalo Def at $5 vice $2
Still works out to $11 left.
Cliff
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| 46 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 21:25
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Same for me as what GL has.
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| 47 | Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 23:29
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Cliff: You could be right. At some points, they were listing a total price and I tried to figure out what the bids probably were. I think the end result is OK but anything is possible where the bids were combined. I'll accept whatever a valid spreadsheet indicates.
don
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| 48 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Thu, Aug 11, 2005, 23:46
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All,
I'm leaving in the morning to go south for the sons wedding on Sat.
Don't expect to be back until late Sun or sometime Mon.
Will have the laptop with me, but no guarantees I will be able to get on
will get the last one when i get back if it doesn't happen tonite / tomorrow.
Cliff
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| 49 | Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 09:18
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As a newbie to the auction format, I'd like to have a discussion when all are available about the best strategies to use.
For sure, I'm feeling I should have waited until much later in the draft for WRs, only selected 1 D and used all my money on RBs.
Trouble is, no one wants to talk. Why not?
This is not a money league.
Don
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| 50 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 09:24
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I have been waiting for the end of the draft, but as you can see I pretty much followed the strategy of loading up on RBs, I am also a newbie to this. I made some mistakes, to many week 8 byes. I am either going to start looking into some trades or going to punt week 8. You're welcome YR!
I'll post some more after I get my roster finalized.
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| 51 | sarge33rd
ID: 670916
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 09:38
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crazy busy at this end and I unfortunately havent been able to monitor as well as I'd like to have. apologies to all for that. will do my best to get "current" through the day.
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| 52 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 11:15
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New for football, not for baseball.
Don't have time to talk now.
Gotta get on the road.
I'll talk later to everything.
We really won't know who did well till the end.
We pick up my last one when I get a chance Sun or Mon.
See 48
Cliff
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| 53 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 11:33
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I've done this before, but it was a live aucton draft with a bunch of us reanting a hotel conf room, bringing in an auctioneer and lots and lots (did I say yet...a lot?) of beer. :)
Initial strategies tended to almost universally involve naming players you didnt necessarily "want" but wouldnt feel too bad about getting for $1. The general trend, was to try and get everyone else to spend their money first, fast and furious.
As for trying to "rank" who did how well thus far....we'll really have to wait until about week 7, to have any real idea. Even then, a key injury could turn it around 180 degrees. (I say week 7, because thats after the cap-credit goes away for drops. F/A gets much tougher, when you pay for the F/A but dont see cap relief from the dropped roster occupant.)
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| 54 | sarge33rd
ID: 344362512
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 12:51
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Buff D was $5.
see post 57
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| 55 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 13:52
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you are all welcome do talk to me about potential trades and everything. looks like I'm gonna be the man with the cash.
We'll see how the situation of my players will be at the start of the season. then I will know what area of my teams needs to get better and which sleeper is available early in the season.
with that much money I can get really creative if I need to.
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| 56 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 16:08
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I am done...the person with the least cap space is supposed to bring out a player in place of Jacobs...
THK
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| 57 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 17:25
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I'll chat about my draft strategy once we finish the draft.
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| 58 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 23:39
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Any comments on my -20 team?! ;-)
THK
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| 59 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 23:55
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There goes my backup QB for 3-4 months! ARGH!
THK
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| 60 | kev
Donor
ID: 043111845
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 03:15
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As a Bears fan, I hole heartedly agree.
Seriously, could every season be ruined before week 3 the rest of my life? It would probably save me a whole season of stress the rest of my life.
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| 61 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 09:01
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I'm showing that there are only 9 open spots left with no one currently up for bid. Teams with spots still open:
Butthead 1
Goatlocker 1
wazaap_guy 3
Beezer 4
How should we handle nominations the rest of the way? I don't really want to put 9 players up at once since bidding would be limited, so I'd prefer that each of us put up 1 player and that player is up until either 8 hours elapses or all owners post "pass" (GL won't have to since he's away and I only show him with $1 anyway so he can't increase a bid). That should allow us to finish today. Thoughts?
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| 62 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 09:07
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In any case, since I should be able to post at least 1 player, I'm going to nominate someone in a sec.
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| 63 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 16:18
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Beezer-
Where was the offer sent? On the site? or dsw827@aol.com?
THK
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| 64 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 16:26
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Email link on the ESPN site. I'll copy you on an email to that address as well.
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| 65 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 22:00
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Beez-
It wasn't posted on the AOL site??? I got it through e-mail though! I hate this AOL site right now...no clue how to use it!
THK
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| 66 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 22:04
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Ok...the ESPN site...I was looking at a different league. Still don't see the offer though!
THK
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| 67 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 22:08
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Sorry, meant that I sent it to the email address listed on the site. I don't think the site can handle trade offers yet since the rosters aren't set. More of an agreement if you will.
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| 68 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 17:19
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Let's talk draft strategies now that we're done...
Good auctions are more knowledge-intensive than drafts in that a draft situation only requires you to choose the best player available out of the pool of available players at that time, whereas an auction requires you to know about EVERY player that comes up for bid.
Therefore, I started by taking a guess at which 192 players would be drafted. Then I assigned a dollar value to each player based on assumptions about how much money would be held back for free agency by each team.
With this list, I could then figure out a budget that would give me solid performers at each position, a decent bench, and money left over for roster moves. I used this budget and my $ values during the draft to decide whom to bid on. I tried to buy every player at a discount to my expected value but close to my budget range so I would maximize player value.
What I did right:
- I used my own method of determining player value instead of assigning a set amount of money for every point like most methods do, and it seemed to mirror actual bid values very well to minimize $ inflation or deflation during the draft. I feel this gave me a HUGE edge in figuring out who was a value play and who wasn't.
- I passed on the top 3 RBs on my board even though my number told them they were a great value because it would have tied up money at other positions and blown my budget. I was able to grab my #4 guy on the board at a significant discount to the top 3 and used those funds to get a better #3 RB for my flex position.
What I screwed up:
- I missed badly on the number of WRs drafted on the low side, so my numbers said that every receiver not named TO went for too much money. When I corrected for this after the draft finished, I saw that prices actually matched my value extremely well.
- I thought more money would be held back than actually was, so that contributed to my thinking that prices were too high and bound to drop. Hopefully this will work to my advantage since YR and I have almost half the available cap space in the league.
As far as strategy during the draft went, I didn't drive a price up intentionally at all - every bid I made I would have taken with no issues. I didn't trust my self to know exactly when to stop so I didn't play around with that.
My projections currently show Goatlocker, youngroman, and Frick as the three strongest teams not counting my own, assuming GL can survive with no cap space, YR can leverage his money to upgrade and pick up players, and Frick can get fair value for one of his RBs to upgrade the rest of his roster. There definitely aren't any perfect teams that are a prohibitive favorite, including my own.
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| 69 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 17:46
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Beezer, I like your rankings alot more than my own! I have my team in the middle of the pack, but that pack if really tight. As in most years of Football, injuries will play the most significant part of the outcome.
Teams like mine that paid a large amount for a RB will hopefully be able to recover from an injury prior to week 6, but that could also depend on when the breakouts of this year become apparent.
WR went for a little bit of above my average value. But I obviously weight RB a lot higher. Part of this is my draft strategy, in my experience WR, other than the top 7 or 8, are pretty streaky. You might get a 100+ yards and a score or two, but the next week zip.
RBs tend to be more steady producers. Granted this could lead my team to losing all most every week, but still having one of the highest point totals.
QBs I thought went for way to much money. With passing TDs only worth 4 pts and only starting 1 QB Manning was the only truly great QB out there. I don't like Culpepper with out Moss, and McNabb without TO. After those 3 I saw a pretty large drop-off. Actually this could be the difference in the league this year, who ever got a cheap QB that breaks out, i.e. Rothllsiglkjer, could have a great team.
I only hope that Manning II or Harrington has a monster year. Manning has the skills and Harrington has the offensive weapons around him. My main scare is that Harrington gets benched and I am not able to pick-up Garcia, granted Garcia is a huge injury concern, but I was suprised one of the teams didn't take a late flyer on him.
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| 70 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 18:13
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first: this was my first auction draft.
before the draft I made a list of how much money I am willing to spend on each roster-spot. I also decided that if I get acceptable players beyond that value that I bet higher on others (Priest). I initially ranked my players by their 3-year averages and moved them up or down a bit according to their current situation and projections.
I stayed away of the initial QB, RB and WR-run where from my point of view real good talent went for way too much money (look at all those WR except TO). after getting Fred Taylor, Jake Plummer and Michael Vick I had too much money left so I took a flier on Priest. I got him at a lower price than I had projected (57 vs. 60).
it was interesting that at the end of the draft the values of QB and WR were really low. when I compare these picks to Vick/Plummer it seems to me that I paid too much for them. I see a lot of steals in the last third of the draft. the season will show us the real deal.
I also tried to force other managers to bid higher on some players. I paid for that strategy with Bruce and Toomer. I thought both would go much higher than I got them. at this price both players were good value to me, but with that much money still in the bank these were the 2 spots I would do over and spend a little bit more to get more consistent talent with more upside potential.
with $43 left I should have a shot on the top emergers this season. I was good at this last year and I am trying to repeat myself. looking at other rosters it will get really hard for them to be able to get some new talent without giving up one of their better players. I see a few teams with no active K or TE in some weeks.
my projections show goatlocker, beezer, kev and THK in the group that will be my main competition on my way to the championship.
last note: I think the draft brings you into the playoffs and the pickups throughout the year bring you the championship. be prepared!
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| 71 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 18:22
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HAHA! 'Ole Negative 20 made it onto the radar for somebody!
THK
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| 72 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 18:37
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THK - using my projections for starters only, your team ranks #1.
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| 73 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 18:58
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General Question
The waiver process is set by injuries. Are other FA pick-ups allowed each week?
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| 74 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 21:49
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yr-
Too bad we need those pesky backups! ;-) Backup RB and QB are my problems. My WR situation, TE, K and D are OK...
With a cap of $180; I like my team a lot.
THK
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