Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:08
We will use this thread during the draft. Please don't discuss draft-eligible players.
If you have a trade for draft picks, you may post it here along with confrimation from the other party. If a player is involved, you still need to accept it on the cbs site. Use the comment part to name all draft picks involved. A commish must approve the trade before you can make that pick. If that pick is up and no commish is around, have that manager make your pick for you.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:16
That's who I would have picked, sw.
Btw, the clock is suspended between midnight and 8 am once the clock is started.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:20
Caddy would've been my pick as well. Brown ain't too shabby for sconds, though.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:27
Dang, the Eagles have been on the clock for like 5 minutes already... what's the holdup!?!?! =-p
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:29
Don't get too excited, Promize is out of town and has #6
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 23:41
Pete talked to ds and he said he was picking as soon as his movie got over.
We have Promize's cell # so we can give him a call. I figured these first few would fly off the board quickly.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 00:24
There you go dashing my hopes... with 3 picks in 19 minutes setting our pace I figured we'd be done with the entire draft by mid-day tomorrow.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 00:46
G'nite all, take 4 rookie RBs off the top.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 01:08
Not surprised, but just not in the order I expected.
Wam, bam.
That was quick.
Cliff
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beastiemiked Sustainer
ID: 03531815 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 09:55
Should we pick up players off the FA wire as soon as we draft them?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 09:59
yes, that would be great bmd
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beastiemiked Sustainer
ID: 03531815 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 09:59
Also, GL kept a WR he had on his drop list and dropped a WR on his keeper list.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:00
It also helps prevent people from thinking someone is still available as some people search the site for free agents looking for the best players out there.
Thanks for bringing that up.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:09
BMD, Thanks, blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.
Fixed it. I had kept Kennison and released Johnson, but reversed them when I did the drop.
Cliff
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:12
Am assuming Toral really means Braylon Edwards. :)
Cliff
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THK about to drive
ID: 49710199 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:16
SW- Nice pick! Didn't think I would see anybody with the guts to do that in a keeper league (2 have drafted already and so far Caddy has gone 2nd in both). I had 3rd pick in one draft but traded Benson and took on some bad cap for Caddy...
He is going to be great I think. I am on the road and won't have access until tomorrow mid-day but not like I have a pick coming up anytime or anything.
THK
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Promize-In-Phoenix
ID: 7741818 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:20
Well got my hands on a computer.... if you want to call it that... Pent90 and a 28k modem hook up.. Basically i have to redial every 3 minutes.. I was almost positive that REF informed me this draft wasn't starting till when I got back into town.
I see it is now my pick, but I have zero notes and on this crappy computer i can't do much research..
Another problem is, I get back to my house at about midnight on the 23rd... So I guess that means my draft clock burns as well as losing a pick?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:34
No Promize, the draft hasn't officially started yet, but it will start on Tuesday at noon with an 8 hour clock, so either way you are going to be missing your first pick unless you research now and get it in.
Ref and I will be glad to help however possible. This could be a big pick for you so I wouldn't chance missing it.
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Promize-In-Phoenix
ID: 7741818 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:42
Well I know it doesn't start till tuesday noon,but I know i talked to REF on AIM about this draft and was under the impression i would be fine for the start of the draft. Both of you knew i would be getting home on the 23rd, guess I should of been more specific of the time of the flight.
And your right, it is a huge pick for me.. i know I had researched a few rookies for my team, but hadn't decided.
I can't pull anything up from CBS at all, the scripts and java are just way to much for this pent90/28k/windows 95 computer with zero ram.
I hate to delay the draft, even if it isn't official.. If you and REF could send me an email of the TOP 5 available players for RB/QB/WR I guess I could make a decision from there.
My 3 concerns are Warner, Ricky, Ward...
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:47
There will be a delay at 1.09 anyway. That pick is moving in a three-way trade. I'm not quite sure when the details will be sent to the commisshes for approval and one of the managers is out of town. That part of it is out of my hands.
The trade will also have to be broken down into a number of 2-way trades to be accepted by CBS.
Toral
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 10:47
Will do Promize.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 11:38
OK, Email sent.
Please ignore Arrington in the email though as he was already drafted, he just wasn't added to the team yet. Sorry about that.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 13:13
Promize, it's great you got at least some access as I was planning on calling you today. My understanding is that you would be back in time for the draft clock to start. Typically, we launched the draft on Friday and it didn't start officially until Monday and few picks were made over the weekend. But after talking to a couple people, there were a few obvious picks that we could get out of the way to get a head start on the draft ang perhaps save a few hours. I didn't understand that you wouldn't be back until the 24th or I'd have made sure you understood that you should leave a Q for us. Either way, take your time and you have everyone except for these first few taken to choose from.
Hope you like the RIFC picks made for you!
As far as the first four, with Benson not wanting to sign and Jones the starting RB there, I may have taken arrington first, but Benson still may be the better pick overall so I don't blame Toral one bit for taking him. Man, Torals team is going to be tough. Hate to admit it, but I had to vote for the NFC South on our new poll on the football site.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 13:20
Toral, about the 3-way pick. I see nothing wrong with the trade from what I've seen in the sneak preview. You can deliver it just as you did for me when you're offering it to the league for approval. Also please add in addition what each individual team has and are giving up. Until that time, you may or may not want to ask the would-be new owner of that pick to tell you which player he wants at 1.09 if you're still sure the trade is going to go down. Dan is in Calagary on vacation though, so don't know if he has access or is in communication or what.
No one is in any hurry though, but I was thinking if we can get a pick in here or there it may take a lot of stress off some people who can't be on as often as others.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 13:32
I apologize for not getting Arrington off the WW. it won't happen again.
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Promize-In-Phoenix
ID: 7741818 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 14:16
I will have my pick I think in next hour or two guys or less... Got several emails from people offering to help as well as filling me in with data on players. I really dig that, and just proves how competitive and strong this league is, that people would go out of their way to help you make good decision instead of watching you burn a pick.
Promize-call me if you need to use my technology..I'm in Phoenix, you are more than welcome if you need... ct
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 14:36
Promize, Good to hear you're getting lots of help. Didn't want to send my list since I pick after you.
;)
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 15:51
I reminded Promize in my last email that he plays both stl and I this year so remember that when that time comes! ;) Yeah I think it shows the makeup of our league when so many people have bent over backwards to help Promize out. Turley could be the biggest help of all if Promize can hop on his computer! ;)
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smallwhirled
ID: 43749189 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:24
OT:
Dan, if you do see this at all if you get any access, I'm going to post here right now and Dr. Doom's site what I plan on doing with your team....
Our original plan is not going to work, and I'm going to do Clemens > Harden. Holding Willis and Peavy. I think that's the best way to take care of things while also being conservative.
....Sorry for the off topic guys.
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beastiemiked Sustainer
ID: 03531815 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:32
Trade Peavy, he's been worthless against Houston the past 2 years and San Diego will only muster 1 or 2 runs against the Rocket.
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smallwhirled
ID: 43749189 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:41
What makes you think that Clemens isn't injured???
If both did well, we were going to go with Willis > Harden instead and hold both pitchers...but neither did well. Today is a very important day of trading for people with both Clemens and Peavy. Holds? One gets traded (which one)? or Both traded?
I am not totally sure Clemens is healthy right now, and he is going to lose probably 500K between starts. This makes me want to "hold" Peavy, "sell" Clemens, and then take my chances with Peavy for now, who has a very holdable long term schedule.
For me, I'm going to wait until the very last minute, and if I feel ballsy enough, I may dump both, grab Burnett, and then maybe start a rotation.
For him, it's moot, and I made the trade. What I want to do for him is be conservative and let him use his trades, it is his team....
As for my team, advice would be welcomed as I'm very torn which one (Peavy or Clemens) to sell for Carpenter today.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:44
I sold both. If I was only selling one, would have been Clemens. Already had Carp. Picked Up Burnett and Harden.
Cliff
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beastiemiked Sustainer
ID: 03531815 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 16:55
Peavy has been decent TSN wise, 53 and 48 aren't exactly what I'm looking for from a starting pitcher. San Diego is the worst offensive team in baseball so despite pitching fairly will he's potentially losing 45 points because his team can't hit worth a lick. Personally, I'd trade them both, with 9 PT's Dan needs to make a move and Burnett has a good matchup.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 17:05
‹ end of baseball discussion ›
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Promize-In-Phoenix
ID: 7741818 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 17:34
Welp that was tough decision to make. I saw a few players I thought could help me. Saw some that could definitely help me in the "now". But seeing as I was originally from St. Louis and have followed Warner... I just couldn't see myself without a backup for him on my squad.
Even if Smith burns and fails this year, if Warner was to go down.. 1 or 2 points from the QB position could mean a victory or a loss. In this big league, games are so close so often, just needed that insurance.
Anyways, glad I got my pick in and was able to get things flowing again.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 17:35
And you left my choice alone.
Nice Pick Promize.
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:10
As I told Promize in an email, don't think that pick helps him at all this year, but could be big in the future. Rookie, QB, horrible offense, not a very good beginning and he's playing warner ahead of him anyhow--not an impact player this year that he needed--but who knows what will be out there or who might need a QB to trade with? How many impact players are out there though? The obvious ones are off the board so it may be as good of a pick as any. Stay tuned! If I'm wrong it won't be the first time. And stl and I and apparently several others all gave him input so he was well armed with info.
Shelton is an interesting pick. I was looking at him too. Could get some goaline carries and who knows who the top two RBs will do. Def. could get injured yet again. Could be a very nice pick.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:15
I hope I get help from him this season, but if not, that is okay. Had to replace "The Bus" as I figure this is it for him.
Really did not expect any of the top four to slip to me, but think Shelton will have a better fantasy season than 2 of the 4.
Cliff
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TB
ID: 5809511 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:37
I am going to go ahead and make my pick from work, but will not be able to add him to my team until I get home tonight.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 18:52
Got you covered TB. Make sure you guys are emailing the next three after you pick. We may have a snag with this next pick, so don't worry about it TB.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:07
I don't pick up my player, I don't email anybody. ...... I'm just a baaaad drafter.
I had DirecTv installed today, so I'll have all the games back this year though. ;)
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 20:20
Dang Roy, I might have to come down for another visit and watch some games.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 19, 2005, 21:17
Come on anytime Tom, you and your son are always welcome. They installed 4 receivers so you won't have to watch the Cowboy game. ;)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 00:34
We have a 3-way trade agreed to and submitted to us for approval.
Here is what they have agreed to end up with:
Dan gets - 9th overall pick and Jaguars defense Toral gets - 14th overall pick and Jeb Putzier Pride gets - Keyshawn Johnson and Rams defense
Appears that: Dan gives up Keyshawn and Putz and his 14th Toral gives up 9th and Rams D Pride gives up Jags D
We are going through it now...
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 20, 2005, 00:51
We've approved that trade. Twarpy has Dan's cell phone number and will call him to try and get his pick since he's out of town for several more days apparently.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 16:37
Dan must be savoring that #9 pick. ;)
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Dan In Calgary
ID: 217392011 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 17:49
Sorry again guys for the hold up, I was unaware the draft had started, and just got a chance to sit down online today. Boy was that a tough pick!! I was hoping one standout guy would fall to me but that didn't quite happen and therefore there ended up being a few other guys that were somehwat appealing to me, hopefully this works out and perhaps one of the other guys I was looking at will fall to me :) (very doubtful though)
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:28
That was really cruel BJ21. The only one that should need Gore is the guy that owns Barlow!
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:29
Very cruel. It was a mistake for me to trade down. You folks are too smart.
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Action Figure
ID: 130173010 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:29
I'm done!
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:41
Blech - I was hoping for one of the top 8 to fall to me. After that I had three guys I liked. Hopefully the knees hold up!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:44
bj21 had sent me a 2 man Q a couple days ago in case Dan picked then said not to pick him as he may be taking someone else. I was hoping he would as I thought Gore may be overlooked--turns out he wouldn't have been afterall. Now Williamson is gone too. Tough crowd.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 18:46
I had this unrealistic hope that Williamson would be around at 1.16. He got closer than I thought, really.
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Peter N.
ID: 27602422 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 19:17
I had Williamson targeted with the number 10 pick before I traded it to bj21. Nice pick skinneej.
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beastiemiked
ID: 262411016 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 19:59
Williamson wasn't going through me. I'll settle for Clayton.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 20:19
Ah cripes. That's the last of the obvious players. I should never have made that trade.
There's 5 folks in my next tier. I'll need some time to recheck them and think.
Toral
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:06
Yeah I wondered if Clayton or Williamson would go first. I like Williamson better but Clayton's not bad at all to "settle" for.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:16
Well, since I got to preview Williamson at South Carolina for three years, I knew more about him then the others. I like his situation as well, even if it takes him a year to crack the starting lineup. I thought he would be gone by #12 and I tried to move up to #10 to take him. We'll see how it turns out.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:26
Had toyed with taking Williamson at 1.07, but knew if Shelton was there, he was the choice. Even though, I knew Williamson would never make it back to me.
Cliff
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:32
Who wants to sell me some second-tier rookie advice?
Anyone want to trade up for this pick?
Toral
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:41
Don't be looking for a quick pick. I have 5 undesirable folks on my list right now. I don't promise to pick before I time out tomorrow.
Toral
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:43
That means we wait until tomorrow, cause I'm only on for a few minutes. Toral, I'll trade you my 1.15 for your 1.14. I'm ready to go.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:43
Why don't you just tell me who you like ;)
Toral
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:44
I would, but they have all been taken.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:50
Toral, any interest in Charles Rogers for your next two draft picks?
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:50
go to go. will make my pick sometime tomorrow morning. Take your time Toral.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:53
hmm..well I've got a trial starting tommorrow at 9:00
STL - can't send a 2 man que?
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:53
I may be slow drafting and Canadian but I'm not stupid, I don't think. I'm not sure anyone would pick up Rogers from the WW.
Cordially,
Toral
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 21:59
Yikes, pretty harsh opinion of Rogers that is probably not shared by many in this league. Granted, he has gotten injured the last two seasons, but he has a ton of talent which is probably why Detroit drafted him #2 two years ago. Yes, he will have to have a solid, injury-free season to prove he is capable of being a top-rated wr and I am thinking this year might be it. Wasn't trying to lowball you. I just happen to think he is going to produce more over the next couple seasons than any two players you draft this year. I will check back on this thread in 2008 and let you know how it turned out.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 22:00
I was referring to your next two choices, btw.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 22:03
OK, with his potential, I'd pick him up off the WW. If I had a spot open.
Toral
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Doug
ID: 49112252 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 22:11
Sheesh... feeling bitter Toral? Don't take it out on TB!
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 22, 2005, 22:12
LOL
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 03:40
OK I picked. I'm looking for denunciations of the pick!
Toral
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 03:41
Action Figure -- great pick. The rest of us were looking at rookies and you smoked us.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 06:19
pretty harsh opinion of Rogers that is probably not shared by many in this league
Well, peddle him to someone else for 2 high draft choices then.
Toral
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 08:12
I'll be gone in ten minutes - hopefully get a lunch recess around noon.
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Promize-In-Phoenix
ID: 7741818 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 10:27
Ok, so unless 15 players can be drafted in the next 3 hours... I will have no access until about midnight tonight gang. So just warning you now :)
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 10:28
Sorry I didn't leave a queue MBJ. Turns out the guy I was looking at (Mike Williams) had already been drafted anyway, and beyond him I wasn't sure. Once Williamson, Williams, and Clayton were off the board, I figured, heck why not take the starting running back for the Broncos? Everyone was high on Bell last year too, but Droughns ended up to be the stud. Hoping it is Anderson this year. Could be a worthless pick or could be a great one. Better risk/reward than many others I could have taken in my mind anyway.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 10:32
I'm in a masochistic mood. I'd like to hear some harsh calling out of my pick of Moats (who?) Lay it on me.
Toral
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 10:36
Toral, you SOB. First BJ21 takes my backup for Barlow and then you go and take my backup for Westbrook! You know he is wothless to anybody but me! Moats? Ha! This guy is a nobody! What a waste of a pick, ha ha ha.
How's that?
Actually I like the pick though.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 11:06
I like the Anderson pick. I knew StL knew about him as we talked about taking him for Promize in the RIFC league he's in, but could only hope that rookies wouldn't all be used up. Looks like I'm going to have to go back to my fallback plan...that is if that plan is even available to me by the time it is my turn.
Promize, leave us a q if you can.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 11:42
If anyone who hasn't picked yet wants to take a look at Toomer, to bme it's obvious that he's better than anyone available. Looking for your first round pick and other considerations (perhaps moving up in a later round). Again, just trying to figure out my logjam of bye weeks in week 5 (4 guys on bye--2 flex positions open).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 12:52
Please don't forget to pick up your player then email the next three to pick once you draft.
My original plan was to get Graham and when most of the guys I really wanted went off the boards, it was the fall back plan. I wanted to keep 10 and I was confident Graham would still be there. I knew Toomer wouldn't have been and I doubted Patten would have been there either, so my plan worked out. It may have been a reach, but I don't pick again until the end of the 3rd. He may have still been there, but at least I know now.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 13:11
Nice pick sw, he was one of the guys I was looking at.
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 13:16
Yeah, from what I was seeing, it seems like Shipp is going to put pressure on Arrington. Hopefully Shipp stays healthy, that is his major drawback.
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 13:17
I'll be out 'till this evening early, hopefully.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 13:49
Email sent re: picks 1.22 and 1.23, if you can, please check it before you pick, thanks!
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 14:50
These picks are starting to look like an airlift of players who try out for the CFL, can't make it, and decide to go into the trucking business.
God knows what round 5 will be like. Luckily, I'll be finished well before then.
Toral
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Peter N.
ID: 27602422 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 15:14
Toral, yea esp that Ryan Moats pick. ;-)
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 15:26
AP - Chargers Pro Bowl tight end Antonio Gates has agreed to terms on a new six-year contract. Additional terms of the contract were not disclosed. Gates will sign the contract Tuesday afternoon.
It appears he'll have to serve the 3 game suspension and will miss the 1st game of the regular season. Those guys really know how to play hardball in San Diego.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 16:14
1.24 is up for trade for a later round pick this year + a #1 round pick next year.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 16:25
2.01 is also up for trade for a #1 round pick next year and a 4th or 5th this year (depending on the team)
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Peter N.
ID: 27602422 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 16:37
Next. LOL, maybe I should change my team name to "Reggie" ;-)
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 16:40
I'll pick in about 1 hour... hoping to get a bite on the trade offer.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 18:36
Just got home. Will pick in a sec
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 21:00
back from dinner, will pick in 5.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 21:34
done, cc, Promize & GL all emailed.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 21:57
Really like that Samie Parker pick. He is getting a lot of air-time here in KC. Vermeil has said some great things about him and he is catching everything Green throws his way. KC offense gets even better with another receiving threat.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 22:14
I was thinking about Campbell. Any opinions on the guy, whether he will make it or not?
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 22:54
Promize said he wouldn't be flying in until like midnight so I guess we resume in the morning sometime.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 23, 2005, 23:55
Yeah he doesn't time out until 9:46 a.m tomorrow anyhow.
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Promize
ID: 107231414 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 03:41
3 Hour plane delay and I just got home.. it is 3:40am eastern time. Gonna try and see what I need to do to catch up on things real quick...
Sucks to make a pick without any research and half open eyes.
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Promize
ID: 107231414 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 03:42
LOL Oh yah, good to see my first pick has already been demoted to 2nd team... Woot!
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 09:43
Anyone around to take a short queue for my 2.09 pick?
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 09:43
Toral -- I can do it.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 09:48
Thanx.
Q sent.
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CanEHdian Pride
ID: 437342318 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 10:03
rock - Queue sent. Only one man so let me know if it already is taken up in Toral's picks and I will start working on another once I get to work.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 10:23
Toral - got Q CP - got Q, your pick shoudl be good unless Ravens takes him (or her -- not trying to give anything away. :)
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 10:32
I doubt I took the player he wanted. I was going to email him, but if you have his queue this should keep moving right along.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 11:13
Let's see...Pollard for McGahee and then he gets Pollard back for free this year. Heck of a deal Promize! ;)
I was hoping Heath Miller would slide a lot more.
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 11:31
I watch every game of the Steelers.....Willie Parker is one amazing talent.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 12:32
Doug, I dropped you a e-mail to see if you were still interested in what we discussed. I'm on the clock and will be back by 2pm EST to make my pick if I haven't heard from you.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 12:39
I sent email 30 mins ago saying not interested... maybe you have multiple accounts? If so, I sent to wrong one.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 13:04
Can someone picking after me take a queue? I will be gone several hours starting around 1:30ET.
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 13:15
I should be able to take one StL.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 13:31
thanks BJ, queue sent. Hope you get it. Been having email troubles today.
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 13:39
Got it.
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THK new home
ID: 27752210 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 14:42
Great pick CP. Heath Miller is a steal there IMO.
THK
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 17:46
I went through and verified that every player drafted has been added to a team up through and including pick 2.17 Erron Kinney.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 18:59
I had some free time today and thought I would share my own thoughts on the first round. Obviously, we all have different opinions and I feel free to share mine.
=)
1) Carnell William, 2) Ronnie Brown, 3) Cedric Benson, 4) JJ. Arrington- I lumped the first four together because everyone drafting outside of the top four would gladly swap their first round pick for any of these guys. I think Arrington will make the biggest splash this season of the four but all are certainly keepers. A little concerned with Benson's contract status especially after hearing the news he put his new home up for sale. It's a bluff, though; he is not going to walk away from millions. Whoever owns Jones has got to be a little happy with how this is turning out.
5) Braylon Edwards- Great talent and worthy of an early pick. I am not a fan of receivers in the Cleveland offense but who am I to not like the 3rd player taken in the NFL draft? He has the talent to be a top receiver in the NFL and Toral has the WR depth to store him away and see how he develops.
6) Alex Smith- Young QB on a currently bad team. Should get his chance to play sometime this year and show what he's got. I thought Rattay looked pretty good in October and maybe early November last year, but he has had 5 years to develop and the 49ers think this kid is the future.
7) Eric Shelton- The consolation prize for missing out on the top 4 backs. Loads of talent and with Davis nearing the end and Foster looking to usurp Fred Taylor from mount fragile, he should get the opportunities to play soon.
8) Mike Williams- IMO, the best WR available from the last two NFL drafts, on an offense capable of scoring on any play by a number of different players.
9) Vernand Morency- Can step in and play if DD gets hurt or if he doesn't produce. I don't think Davis is in jeopardy of losing his job, but he did miss one game and had 7 others with less than 20 rushing attempts last year. Good fit for our Dan's Bills.
10) Frank Gore- Barlow gave me headaches last year, so I called the 49ers and asked them to do something about it. Gore is going to be the answer. Maybe not this year, but he is solid.
11) Kevin Curtis- I don't know much about him. Maybe the heir apparent to Bruce? I assumed that would be Shaun McDonald. I must have missed something because he was drafted in one of my survivor leagues.
12) Troy Williamson- The next Randy Moss. Well, maybe not but lots of talent and on a good team. Will have to get up to speed on the Vikings system before earning the #2 wr spot, but will be an eventual starter.
13) Mark Clayton- Great receiver but went to the wrong team. Uggh, Boller throwing him the ball. I watch a lot of Big 12 games here in the Midwest and really like this guy’s ability. Hopefully he will have a good QB throwing him the ball someday.
14) Ryan Moats- Westbrook always seems a little beat up and their other unnamed RB (not drafted in this league) is hurt and out for the year AGAIN. That makes Moats the #2 back and makes this pick look even better. I have to wonder why the Eagles weren't concerned with offering Westbrook a long-term deal.
15) Mike Anderson- Currently listed as the starter in Denver and a good choice to help fill in some early bye weeks or for a team that feels like it can win it all this year. It will drive you crazy owning a RB from Denver this year with so many options, but if he continues to start he could have a big year.
16) Brandon Jacobs- I almost drafted him in the 8th spot. The Giants have their Thunder Back. Great pick.
17) Matt Jones- I don't know where he fits in on this team. Probably the hopeful replacement once Jimmy calls it quits. From all I have read, the Jags are going to cut bait on last years #3 WR who has never lived up to his 1st round draft pick potential after 6 disappointing seasons with 3 different clubs. If that reads funny, I am trying to be very careful not talking about undrafted players even though someone would be a bonehead if they drafted the guy I am talking about. I don't even know if Jones is signed yet.
18) Shayne Graham- Woohoo, a kicker! Purely a need pick and certainly one of the better kickers available.
19) Marcel Shipp- Everything indicates that Arrington will be the starter and Shipp the back-up. They will probably still share some carries, but I am thinking more of a 70-30 split than 50-50. Shipp has lots of talent but also lots of health concerns.
20) Justin McCareins- My top rated WR available for this years scoring format. With Pennington healthy and Coles back in the mix, should have a great year.
21) Chester Taylor- I have drafted Taylor on at least one team the last 3 years. Great insurance for Lewis, if you have Lewis. Otherwise, you have to be wishing some evil on Lewis if you want to get production from him. When he did fill in last year, he had 3-4 very good games. With only one starting RB, this was the spot to get another running back.
22) Reche Caldwell- CC's Broncos are so full of talent he could choose the player he felt fit in best with his team. I think I would rather gamble on a rookie in this spot. At best, anyone not named Tomlinson or Gates is the third option on this offense. Parker proved to be fragile last year and if he goes down again, Caldwell would be elevated to the #2 WR. He had a couple good games last year when he filled in.
23) Reggie Brown- Somebody is going to be catching balls thrown from McNabb this year and in the years to come. Reggie will be competing for the #2 spot. I think this was a good pick in this spot.
24) Terry Glenn- Bledsoe and Glenn back together again. Now, close your eyes and try to say that 3 times really fast. I bet you mess it up. Glenn's three best seasons have been with Bledsoe throwing him the ball. Both are older and not nearly as talented as they once were. Glenn missed 10 games last year and has missed 23 in the last four years. Maybe he will be this years "Muhammad", but I doubt it. I liked a handful of younger WR in this spot over Glenn.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 19:03
Will be out of town starting tomorrow though the weekend but will have some spotty access but am trying to get a q together. Thus far not one of my players I hoped would slide have so I'm having a tough time of it and I don't see a way we can get through over a whole round in about 18 hrs or so.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 20:18
I just got out of meetings. 'll pick in less than 10 minutes.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 22:54
I e-mailed the next 3 owners.... are we done for tonight?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 23:12
twarp is picking.
I never would have imagined so many kickers going already. Last year I picked the first kicker at 2.24 (It was Graham). This year I took Graham at 1.18. Glad I did as I would have had to trade for a kicker since I don't have a pick again until 3.18. Still, I took Rackers last year at 5.24, so it's a surprise so many went so early.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 23:34
I really know this is a tough crowd, but am continually amazed at the inability to slip anybody through. I was really torn with the 2.07 choice. I'm happy with the Joey Galloway choice, but guess I really missed the mark on my thought the Heath Miller would get back to me. Sheesh, two picks later. One of these days I guess I'll learn.
Cliff
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Wed, Aug 24, 2005, 23:59
Hey TB, I didn't have a first round pick this year... so give me your take on pick "1.25". =-)
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 01:32
You know I love Ronald Curry and my Raiders. I was very surprised when the Raiders traded for Moss. They are very deep at WR and could have used that money on some better defensive players. Don't get me wrong, I love Moss being a Raider and his presence (along with Porter's Hammy) is going to allow Curry to get a lot of one-on-one time with some defenders. I do think the Raiders have a lot of weapons and some weeks it's going to be frustrating to have the one that didn't get the looks or TD's.
I don't pick again until 4.05, so I can take Q's from anyone for quite a while to help out.
Just e-mail them with something like "G24 draft Q in the title" so I don't open them until your turn to pick.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 11:29
TB, that's exactly why I am so high on Toomer and why I wouldn't trade him for the offers I did receive. Everyone will doubling Moss and Buress, much like they did Porter and Toomer last year. With Porter healthy this year--no one will double Curry--ever!
I had about 8 or 9 guys I was looking at with my first pick, but again, I thought for sure Curry would be there in the 3rd if Heath Miller wasn't. Every single one of my guys from that list are long gone and I'm trying to come up with another strategy. I kinda had an idea of who might be there that could help me, but knowing my luck they will be gone too. All I can say is Kudos.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 13:27
I also figured Curry is a good fit for me in the case that Porter's hammy becomes a lingering issue, he'll slide in as the #2 across from Moss.
3rd round under way... about to email the next 3.
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 18:01
So - what do you guys think tonight: Matt Jones, 50 yds, over/under? ;)
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 19:49
Does Roy know he is on the clock? The picks are 4 hours right, so technically I am on the clock now?? I'm ready to pick if that is the case.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:04
I just called him. He says he sent a queue to Ref and figured he was covered. He is coming on to make his pick right now.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:09
Ok, I picked after Roy made his pick. I'll e-mail the next 3.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:21
Sorry guys, I sent this out right as I was walking out the door to go to the Dr's office this afternoon.
--- "R. Jones" wrote:
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:39:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: "R. Jones" > Subject: 3rd round selection > To: ref guru , Peter > > > Ref, > > I've got a Drs appt that may take up most of the > afternoon. > > My pick for 3.04 would be either > > > 1) Arnaz Battle, WR, SF > 2) Marty Booker, WR, Mia > > Thanks bud, > > ds > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >
I should have allowed for more time to verify either of them had my queue, but the doctor's office juggled my appt from tommorow to today at the last moment after lunch due to scheduling needs they had for tomorrow.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:29
I will go with the over on Matt Jones for tonight. I read up on him some more after I posted my quick thoughts above and it looks like he will be given every opportunity to replace their current 3rd WR. I also read a clip from FBG that Del Rio wants to see what the kid can do, so they should look towards him often tonight.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:34
Thanks for the heads up Tom, I was chowing down as the old blood glucose was 80 when we got home a little while ago.
I didn't think to check this draft immediately since I was sure it'd gone by me. As hammered as Pete's been the last couple of days since turning 21 on Monday, I should have known the last thing he's checking is his email (more like the new ho's at TTU). He's lucky to find his way to his own bed at night. ;)
If I'd have seen rfs's post @131, I'd have just sent it to him. The eye appointments are next week. lol
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 21:12
47 yards in one catch... looking good for the over...
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Ref
ID: 467412521 Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 22:45
Re: 123
I'm out of town through Sunday. This is the first time I've been able to get online and still haven't checked my email. On a very old outdated computer on a dial-up. Can only open like one window at a time. Sorry ds, I never saw your email.
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 00:25
Hey, can't you guys save some players for us that don't pick again until the 4th round. Geesh!
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 11:31
n/p Ref, I'm going to blame my MD for switching my appt. days at the last minute. At least I'm here all day today!
I appreciate skinneej for saying something as I didn't mention him yesterday, thanks buddy. ;)
The downside is I found out later from the Mrs. that our MD. told her after I'd left the room for some tests that he didn't want the eye surgeons to do the cataract surgery right now. It seems I need to recover more from what I went thru in May with the 3 kidney surgeries (one kidney). I guess I'll be legally blind in my right eye until next year. bummer. At least the left eye is working great! (no bleeds since 7/12)
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 11:44
I think thk has timed out?
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Ref
ID: 437422610 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 11:46
I am still getting some queues sent to me. Please don't send them to me at least through this weekend. I've forwarded the one not already passed to rfs and stl. Now I've gotta figure out my own queues...
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Ref
ID: 437422610 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 11:50
Did everyone send thk email alerts that were supposed to? Anyhow, looks like he has timed out so Turley is up.
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TB
ID: 5809511 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 12:08
I sent an email to the next three teams and also asked if any of them wanted my 2nd rounder next year and 4th rounder this year for their next pick. That offer will remain open to any manager when their turn comes up if the player I want is still available.
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THK new home
ID: 27752210 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 14:18
Sorry abou that guys. Went to class this morning. Came back, checked the boards but for some reason forget this thread. Then I went back out...Ended up OK
THK
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 15:14
Next...
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 15:39
TB, I'll take the offer if you still want it. I'm on the clock so let me know.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 16:02
Trade Skinneej trades pick 3.12 for TB's pick 4.08 in this year's draft and his 2nd rounder next season. TB will confirm.
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TB
ID: 5809511 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 16:04
I confirm. Once the commish confirms the deal I would like to draft Onterio Smith, RB, MIN.
I know he isn't playing this year, but I think if he cleans he act up he will be a good keeper for me.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 16:08
I don't think there's a commish around to confirm, is there?
Is it necessary?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 16:27
I'm here. Looks good to me. Trade approved.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 16:34
Thanks commish. Pick made and next three emailed.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 17:24
Anyone waont a Q?
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Peter N.
ID: 27602422 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 19:04
Damn, Betts was so close! :-(
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 22:31
Left MBJ a message on his cell about being over the time limit. It's an old list is the only problem.
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Ref
ID: 437422610 Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:01
He has timed out. I'll be here for a few more mins. so I can make my pick if 3.17 can pick shortly. If not, rfs has a q for me but it isn't very long.
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Ref
ID: 437422610 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:32
I realize sw has timed out and I just got online. Unfortunately, not everyone has been following directions and picking their players up and the player(s) I had queued up that show as a FA on the site are already gone!!!!!! Now I've got just a few mins to look and don't know if I'll have time or not.
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:37
I timed out?
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:41
Oh, I didn't see the picks were out of place....that sucks, had I known I would've picked much earlier because I didn't see in the draft thread that it was out of order.....my pick is coming now.
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:46
Sorry about the mixup guys...I saw 3.16 and didn't even realize that 3.17 and 3.18 had already picked.
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Ref
ID: 437422610 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 12:00
sw, I emailed you last night after I picked and told you that you were up right now and that if you picked soon I'd pick again.
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smallwhirled
ID: 347302216 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 12:11
Didn't see it until the post was made in the discussion thread, sorry.
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coldwater coyotes SuperDude
ID: 229272412 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 13:44
Can somebody take a Q?
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 13:50
coldwater - I can do it.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 14:05
coldwater Q received.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 15:14
rfs - you've been up in the Poliboard draft for a while, I think.
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CCRider
ID: 10723161 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 18:01
Didn't mean to hold things up - unexpectedly, I've had to be away from home most of the day today.
THK - can you please put Greg Lewis on your roster so I don't keep trying to draft him? Thanks!
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 19:00
Looking ahead a few picks, is 4.09 (Saints) still a "dead pick", or has he traded since the draft grid was posted such that it was a live pick?
Just want to make sure we don't end up with the Cowboys at 4.10 waiting on a pick that isn't coming... unless it is.
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 19:30
It's dead.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 21:49
Hey, Toral, if you want to trade me your 4.09 pick for my 4.12 pick, then I could make back-to-back picks at 4.08 and 4.09! ;)
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 10:34
I'll be out of pocket all day today. Sent a Queue to Ref, sw, and Stl Cards. Will add the player when I get back on.
Cliff
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Promize
ID: 107231414 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 16:43
LOL Hopefully we can finish these 2 rounds in the next 2 days... Big possibly I am going out of town again starting on Tuesday... So lets please hurry! :)
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Toral
ID: 53422511 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 16:54
Anyone who wants the highly valuable 4.09, plus my 4th round choice next year, for a 3rd round choice next year, speak up.
In case there's competitive bids, assess how lousy your team is going to be this year ;)
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Perm Dude Dude
ID: 030792616 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:03
Thanks for picking for me, guys. The longer Benson holds out, the better that Peterson pick will be. Especially with the Bears having, essentially, no QB.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:08
RE: 171 No kidding CC, if I wouldn't have gotten access again, I would have been skipped as that was my queued pick.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:14
PD - you're up on th Poli board
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Perm Dude Dude
ID: 030792616 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:18
Thanks. Just took care of AAA#1 and will move over there now. Just got in the door about a half-hour ago!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:48
Speaking of being up. 4.03 has been skipped. Guess I'm going to have to do these charts as several have had some serious time accrue.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 19:58
I wondered if that was being enforced. Does a max of 4 hours count against you when you miss one pick? A couple teams don't have very much time to make their remaining picks.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 20:43
Lord help me, I drafted a kicker.... Tim, Promize & Cliff emailed.
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rockafellerskank Dude
ID: 27652109 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 20:47
well, gotta back up my gimpy QB as insurance against injury. Not much left on the boards anyway.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:19
Let me explain the chart. If it didn't have any time added, I skipped it so ignore the pick number. I only added :13 mins to rfs' time because he had no idea that the guy before him had timed out well before. Based on that, I think i need to go back and give Coyotes some more time too. Even though I had a Q, I still gvae myself :09 as I picked for myself and the 2nd one I gave myself the :49 mins as my Q was already picked and not added to the CBS database.
I added/subtracted these times very fast and there could be mistakes.
If the manager has less than 4 hours left on his clock, that is the remaining time. All time is based on when the last manager either picked or timed out. Use this chart and not the 4 hrs to know when that manager has timed out. If a manager has timed out for the entire draft, he may only use a q or pick anytime after his spot should have been.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:28
I know i won't send a queue to you next time Ref. ;)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:34
Sorry ds, I'm usually great for a Q, but I did give everyone fair warning that I wasn't going to be around. I'm sorry for those that didn't see it like ds!!!
But, all you have to do is to give your Q to someone that is going to be around and they can announce they have a Q for you and will pick and you won't be skipped. But they do need to pick right away. Or you can be ready to pick yourself as soon as it's your turn and even though you're skipped, if you post first, it's your player.
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rockafellerskank Dude
ID: 27652109 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:49
Since there are 4 yellow picks that aren't going to be used, I assume there are 4 owners that won't complete the draft via drafting?
Ref or StL do you know who they are?
I'd be willing to offer my 4.21 for their 4th next year and take my chances on the WW/FA market after the draft if anyone is intersted.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:55
rfs, I dunno. would have to figure it out.
Looks like there was a trade over the weekend that involved the next pick so skinneej is up. Sorry I didn't make mbj's under 4 hrs left time red. Like I said, I did this quickly!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:57
I think that coyotes has 23 more mins than listed based on giving him credit for the time that Dan timed out of the draft and not that pick.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 22:55
Not that it matters because I only have one 5th round pick left, but the 4th round time is skinneej's. I just emailed him to remind him that this is his pick.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 23:09
Yeah, I emailed him as well after I made GLs pick for him.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 00:27
Ok, made my pick. Since 4.09 is dead and Turley is timed out, I guess AF can make his pick whenever. I'm back up after that so I will check back in the morning.
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Action Figure
ID: 130173010 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 02:49
I made my pick.
Next batter up...
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 03:57
mmmmm... batter... beer batter even better!
Re: 190 - I believe that the Giants, Browns, Vikings, and Cardinals all have only 4 draft picks.
Slowest.
Draft.
Ever.
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Peter N.
ID: 27602422 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:39
Um, I have the rights to pick 4.10. I'll go ahead and make my pick now.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:47
people looking at the wrong chart....
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:47
I'll be in Court fir the next few hours and would like to try, again, leaving a Q with someone if I could.
deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:49
I've got to take my wife to the doctor. kind of an emergency or I could MBJ. Its ususally the other way around. Sorry about that.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:53
Toral
Q sent. Thanks.
Roy - Thanks for the call Friday night. i was too far in the holler to have my celly with me though.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 08:56
Jubal - n/p it was the Political list from a couple of years ago & I thought to give it a shot. :)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 10:26
Pete, did you get the player you wanted? If not we have issues as AF jumped the gun.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 10:31
Assuming he did...
Bj21 needs to repick but his exclusive turn is over. Dan is out of draft time. StL Cards is up.
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 10:48
Sorry guys - how I missed a pick four lines above the one I made I have no idea. Anyways, hopefully Charlie's not taken somewhere...
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THK new home
ID: 27752210 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 11:19
RFS- I replied to your e-mail saying I would do the deal you sent out to a few of us....
So if I was first to reply, let me know.
THK
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 11:46
Confirmed. THK gets my 4.21 this year. I get his 4.xx NEXT year in 2006.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 11:56
Ref - Pete's first day of class fall semester @ TTU. He's out after Noon CST until 3PM.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 12:06
Trade approved of draft pick swaps as outlined in #209. Recorded in transactions page and in rules page.
THK now owns pick 4.21 in this year's draft.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 12:25
I've been talking to pete this morning and he got the guy he wanted. I can't find my ss, I can only find the published version. If that's the case, I am not remaking the entire ss again. I was sure I saved it as a ss and again as an html. oh well.
I am up. Since Q just went in front of me, it's going to take me a few more mins to find another pick.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 16:16
THK is on the clock until 6:24 EST... and I follow him with 4.22
I'll be leaving shortly and gone for an unknown period of time, so leaving an invisiqueue:
Kelley Washington, WR, CIN Courtney Roby, WR, TEN
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Promize
ID: 107422910 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 16:51
Short notice I am going to Hilton Head this week, I left my team draft in the hands of STLCards.. This is a nice hotel so I might be able to get some internet access there if they have a computer room.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 17:35
uh oh. Guess you've been a bit busy to have seen this news THK.
Aug. 27 The Saints have lost Boo Williams for the season after he tore the ACL and MCL in his right knee last night, according to the Times-Picayune.
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blackjackis21 Leader
ID: 034837521 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 17:39
If anybody in the next few picks (until the guy I want is gone) wants to give me their pick for my 5.13, I'll give my 4th rounder next year for their 5th rounder next year.
Perhaps better known as the reverse-rfs offer.
Thanks.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 17:39
Yep, good thing I checked before I made my previous pick. I had planned to take Boo, but saw the news and took Becht instead.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 20:04
I posted a little boo boo in the draft thread so there'll be a missing post.
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Promize
ID: 107422910 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 20:17
I'm here, gimme a moment to dig around for someone :)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 20:42
Manager
Pick 1
Pick 2
Pick 3
Pick 4
Pick 5
Time
Used
Left
Status
1. Smallwhirld's Chiefs
0:20
4:00
8:00
4:20
3:40
2. PD's Browns
0:48
0:36
8:00
1:24
6:36
3. CPride's Jaguars
0:50
1:33
4:00
8:00
6:23
1:37
4. deepsnapper's Eagles
1:49
4:00
2:11
8:00
8:00
0:00
Timed Out
5. thk's Vikings
0:47
4:00
0:48
1:33
8:00
7:08
0:52
6. Promize's Sehawks
2:14
0:53
0:24
8:00
3:31
4:29
7. Goatlocker's Chargers
1:36
0:32
8:00
2:08
5:52
8. TB's Ravens
0:55
0:17
1:17
8:00
2:29
5:31
9. Toral's Saints
2:04
8:00
2:04
5:56
Complete
10. Turley's Cardinals
2:24
1:39
3:57
8:00
8:00
0:00
Timed Out
11. AF's Falcons
1:36
0:58
8:00
2:34
5:26
12. Skineej's Packers
1:10
0:35
2:10
8:00
3:55
4:05
13. bmd's Texans
0:54
0:17
0:15
8:00
1:26
6:34
14. Dan's Bills
2:42
1:41
3:37
8:00
8:00
0:00
Complete
15. StL Cards' 49ers
1:28
8:00
1:28
6:32
16. MBJ's Bengals
0:07
1:45
4:00
8:00
5:52
2:08
Complete
17. BJ21's Rams
0:05
0:10
1:58
8:00
2:13
5:47
18. Ref's Colts
0:36
0:09
0:49
0:26
8:00
2:00
6:00
19. Doug's Raiders
0:05
0:09
8:00
0:14
7:46
20. Twarpy's Giants
0:07
2:53
3:03
8:00
6:03
1:57
21. CC Rider's Bears
0:28
4:00
1:53
0:21
8:00
6:42
1:18
22. Coyotes' Broncos
1:53
0:22
1:55
8:00
4:10
3:50
23. Peter N's Cowboys
0:58
0:23
0:42
2:24
8:00
4:27
3:33
24. rfs' Steelers
0:19
0:48
0:13
8:00
1:20
6:40
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THK new home
ID: 27752210 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 21:06
5.1 nice pick. I missed him or I would have taken him probably...
THK
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StLCards
ID: 527501213 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 23:33
Yeah, I was going to take him too, but really needed my backup QB way more. So thanks Pete, that made my pick much easier ;)
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 23:38
Ref - when does cEHp officially time out on 5.03?
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Perm Dude Dude
ID: 030792616 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 23:44
I'd be happy to trade some of my time for another pick....
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Action Figure
ID: 130173010 Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 23:51
Pete, did you get the player you wanted? If not we have issues as AF jumped the gun.
I was told everyone ahead of me had timed out. Was this correct? or did I jump the gun?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 00:11
ds: looks like he times out at 8:14 am EST
AF, 4.09 was skipped but 4.10 wasn't. It wasn't an issue as Pete got the player he wanted anyhow so it's all good.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 00:23
Thanks Ref, I thought there was a sleep period in there but didn't find it in the rules, but I read about like Ed the horse. ;)
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Action Figure
ID: 130173010 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 05:14
Sorry about picking early, I was told I was up but I should have verified it myself.
If it is determined that someone picked early then it would seem fair that the manager he jumped can pick the player he drafted without any argument whatsoever. This isn't much of a problem with me because not many want the players I draft anyway as I'm not good.
Now since I picked early will you add some time to my clock, say 30-45 minutes.
I'll settle for 15.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 08:18
It appears cEHp has timed out. I will make my pick since I have no clock time myself at this point.
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cEHp @ work
ID: 491231011 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 08:22
Because of my trade for Keyshawn which in affect gave me an "extra" keeper -- My round 5 pick was dead.
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deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 08:36
Thanks Pride, I wasn't aware as it wasn't "yellow'd out. THK, Promize & GL all emailed. I'm done.
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Promize
ID: 107422910 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 09:13
Guys I am literally walking out the door right now. So will not be around to make my pick. STLCards I think will be able to get it for me.
About 5pm eastern, if I have a computer, I will check in.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 10:45
I had my next pick narrowed down to two guys, Courtney Anderson or Kris Mangum. Pete took Anderson last round and Promize's TE has a bye week 3 so I felt obliged to take Mangum for him. Not a great TE but with Freddie Jones retiring he could be ready to have a good year.
236
TB
ID: 5809511 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 10:46
Goatlocker is on the clock and I am next. I am going to leave an invisiqueue. I can't access the league site from work to add my final player, but will do so when I get home tonight. I would also appreciate it if whoever posts my pick could email the next three managers for me. Thanks
Doug Gabriel, WR, OAK
Bernard Berrian, WR, CHI
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 11:16
LOL AF, didn't cost you any time at all since it was made during the "sleep" period.
I've got thk not only timing out but showing him with 5 picks and he's still on the board for another pick. Have I made a mistake somewhere with him?
I didn't realize Pride was done either. Please give us a heads up before your pick is up if you are done with the draft. I've got to go through and make sure whoever is forfeiting picks, there are corresponding managers who are short a pick. I know Dan is short a pick as it was his trade with Pride that put him over. Toral forfeited two picks but thought one of those was thk's. I'll go research this if need be, but if someone can give me a heads up first it will save some time.
Please refer to the chart to determine when you managers time out. Your time starts when the last manager timed out--no matter when they pick. The draft started out quickly but is dragging and dragging and dragging now.
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 11:48
I'm done 5.16 is moot/
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 11:58
Just a heads up for those about to pick... you'll likely need to wait for Goatlocker to time out. He's been on the clock since 10:31am EST yesterday in the RIFC draft and it's now wrapped back around to him. Something must have come up... hopefully he's just super-busy with work. Anyway, again, just FYI... seems that most likely it'll be a timeout situation here as well.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 12:46
Oh snap. I just remembered, his q was very long that he sent to me on the cbs boards. Let me go check it and pick for him. Sorry, completely forgot. Been working on this mock lottery and wading through a bunch of trade offers in baseball g20. Will have his pick and more info on mock lottery in a minute.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 12:52
5.09 is forfeited 5.10 is timed out (i will email) AF is up with 5.11
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:10
Mock Lottery Results:
If we were using the lottery for this year (I guess random is random so let's just say the draft were starting today since we ran thise today) here is what the order would be...but first some information about what we did. Guru made us the chart and even ran the random numbers for us and copied me automatically based on the program he had written. I'll copy part of the email he sent. I came up with the same results he did.
You should have received emailed copies of each run. I'll summarize the results in this email, and also list the team selected for each pick.
Pick 1: 4-8-10-14: Team 10 Pick 2: 1-4-12-14: Team 7 Pick 3: 1-6-7-8: Team 11 Pick 4: 3-5-6-13: Team 15
Interestingly, Team 16 never appeared in these four draws. (I actually ran one test run before these 4 "official" ones, and Team 16 did come up that time.
The theoretical odds are about 1 in 3 that Team 16 will not appear in any of the fours draws. (0.75^4)
Just for kicks, I ran a few more, although I didn't copy you on them, so as not to fill up your email box.
3-9-13-14: Team 16 6-9-10-11: Team 13 5-7-12-13: Team 16 1-2-10-12: Team 5 3-10-12-14: Team 12 4-6-7-11: Team 5 2-3-6-7: Team 16 3-5-7-14: Team 15 7-10-12-14: Team 15 2-4-7-11: Team 9
Team 16 is the last place team and team 1 is the 9th place team. We use the same method as the NBA does (and now NHL too). Our Factor: 0.736.
Basically the last place team has about a 25% chance to get in the top 4 (250 balls out of 1001). 15th place has 200 balls and the 9th place team has only 3 balls. We can post the complete chart later. I'm not going to consider all the traded picks right now as this is just a mock so if no picks had been traded, here would be our draft order for the first round only. Subsequent rounds would go back to the reverse order of finish:
So GL would have won the lottery and had first pick. The bottom six in the lottery were unaffected.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:13
Note that by same method we are using a tweaked version which allows for 16 teams and the top 4 whereas in hoops and baseball we use the 14 teams and top 3 like the NBA does. More teams in G24 that don't make playoffs so Guru was kind enough to modify it so it would work for our league too. This will be in place for next year's draft.
244
Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:28
I don't believe 5.14 or 5.16 were traded, and that both remain forfeited as extra picks... no?
If so, 5.15 (Vikings) had already used their remaining 0:52 of clock time on pick 5.05... thus we immediately jumped to 5.17 (Texans) who are now on the clock (since pick 5.13 was made at 5:37pm EST).
This certainly isn't official, but it's my understanding of where we are at. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
245
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:45
Doug, I may have a mistake made with one of thk's pick, but even if I had he would have timed out with the picks I know he made. So Houston would be up. I sent thk an email earlier about it.
So no comments on the mock lottery?
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:47
I won't matter to me as I will never be in the lottery!
247
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:50
With Trader rfs abound, even if you're not you could have the rights to a pick that is in the lottery!
248
Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:50
If I drop a player, can I use my 5.16 pick?
249
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:55
I don't know if you are serious or not, but since there is no ;) in it I'll take it as it was. No adds or drops until the waiver period runs. Once you hit your 14 player limit, your draft is over. If you're short a player, you have to wait until waivers or trade.
250
rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:58
But he could trade the player and use the 5.16, right Ref?
MBJ: I'm going to be a player short. E-mail me who you want to trade and perhaps I can give to a draft pick next year and thus, you'd accomplish the same thing!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:00
I was wondering who was going to catch the round 15 instead of round 5 first! ;)
bmd has all of his 4 hour time limit so he has until 9:39. thk can pick at any time assuming he does indeed have a pick to make. Thought he was short a pick. (Can some one enlighten me on this?). I've got a late meeting but will try and come up with someone before then as I am after him.
252
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:01
rfs, he could until that pick comes up. Since thk has timed out, technically it is 5.17 that is on the clock, correct?
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:01
If that's the rule- that's fine. Conceptually, I don't understand the logic that allows me to trade a player - or even make a 2 for 1 trade; but disallows a straight out drop.
Anyway - n/p.
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rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:37
MBJ:
Re: that rule. I guess we never considered the situation such as you proposed about the add/drop rule. The logic behind the "no add / no drop" part was just to get keepers set and discontinue player movement except by 2 vehicles 1) draft and 2) trade.
We also thought it wa sbest to let the draft run it's course and everyone have a same time release point for the waiver wire which is why there is no extra drfat picks after round 5. So, if we allowed last minute drops, an owner could drop an "out-for-the-sason" player and gain an extra pick without having to wait for the WW period.
But, I'm sure the owners/commish's would be open to a proposed rule cahngefor next year if you feel it has meirt.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:53
Re: 252... isn't that exactly what was said (that 5.17 is up) in 244 (the bolded part)? Or are you just looking for a 3rd source of confirmation from RFS?
Vikings were a pick short when the draft began, not a pick over. Dunno if there were trades that changed that situation.
The only problem with a drop during the draft is if some other team feels that dropped player is valuable to them, such that they would want to acquire them. Depending on the timing of the drop, some other team might get dibs of them regardless. I would say you either need to maintain "no drops during draft"... OR you need to say "players dropped during the draft are ineligible to be redrafted"... in essence giving priority on those dropped players to those with highest waiver priority, which is what would happen anyway if they were dropped immediately following the draft.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:54
LOL it's moot now anyway as THK has picked.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 19:57
Douug - I don't think that's necessary. If we were doing a live, quick draft that might be a concern; but with a 2 week draft, all sorts of things happen that drastically alter a player's value during the course of a draft - and is "unfair" to the managers that didn't get to draft with that new information. (Look at how Orton's value has changed during the sourse of ths draft for instance.)
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 21:35
I disagree. The fundamental difference is that injuries and what not that affect player values are all external to the draft and the managers. In this case, however, we're talking about a league participant taking an action (dropping a player), the timing of which has an impact on other league participants.
Thus, if we allow drops, it seems to me that adding a clause like "players dropped during the draft are ineligible to be redrafted" would ensure that we keep the playing field more level... certainly moreso than it would without such a clause.
I actually think it would be less of a concern in a live, quick draft with so much happening... in our case, one could be much more specific about the timing for their drop to coincide with someone's pick (or avoid someone else's).
I guess when designing rules I always approach it from the perspective of "suppose I wanted to cheat/collude/play favorites/etc... how could I take advantage of this rule?" and then design the rule to accomodate (err... counteract?) that sort of thinking.
It's similar to the way banks and security software companies and similar entities hire hackers to try and (legally) break into their systems. By doing so and anticipating issues in advance, you can proactively address them, and thus make the system better.
All that said, this is a relatively minor rule. ;-p Still, what harm would be done by adding that clause?
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 23:16
BTW, the precedent is from two years ago when I drafted James Allen and then he retired a few days later. I worked out a trade to add another pick, but it was disallowed because I was told I could not drop Allen until after the draft was completed.
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Doug Leader
ID: 02730280 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 00:37
In case the Giants don't pick until the AM, I'll leave invisiqueue since I'm all West Coast n' split.
1. Kris Wilson, TE, KC 2. George Wrighster, TE, JAX
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 09:11
Edwards is on the Titans now I believe.
Twarpy times out at 9:43. Doug has an invisiQ.
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Promize@HiltonHead
ID: 47263110 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 11:29
Thanks STL for finishing up the draft for me ... I will be back home Saturday night.. This resort just lets you spend about 15 minutes on their computer at a time. :)
Well other then the in room TV Internet, which has no mouse and I hate that.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 15:35
I almost took garrard, Pete.
Twarpy still hasn't made his skipped pick so will leave the draft open a little longer. Make sure everyone has picked their players up on CBS.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 01:06
We've got to have twarpy make his pick quickly as we need to finalize all rosters and get waivers turned on. Don't want to rush uneccessarily but if we get waivers ready and turned on today (sept 1), then i believe it's two full days so the first run is the 4th and the 2nd run is the 7th. So really need to get this going today (Thursday). The first game is the 8th. Waivers will run every day if necessary (two full days after a player is dropped). Once the season starts as most of you remember, all free agents will go on waivers at the freeze and will run I believe on thursday mornings.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 11:17
I emailed twarpy. basically, stl and i will start to go through and check rosters and compare teams with short players to the draft and see that there are an equal number of forfeited picks, etc. Then we have to go through all settings and make sure they are accurate. Once we're happy there, all that's left is to turn on waivers.
Again, this needs to be done today, so I told twarpy (via email) that we'd give him until everything was done and I'd check back with him again. If still nothing, we will have to start waivers and he will forfeit his final pick and fill his roster as other teams short a player will do on the fa/ww.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 01, 2005, 11:34
Great twarpy has drafted and we're all good.
Here is what stl and I have as far as teams short full rosters:
Dan (Buf) was short a player after he did the 2 for 1 after keepers. Still that means 5 picks should have been forfeited. Dan had to forfeit his own, Toral 2 picks, mbj one pick and Pride one pick. So everything adds up.