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Sports Challenge     CBS Sportsline     Fanball Commissioner     Sandbox     Yahoo Football     Yahoo Football Plus     Yahoo Survival Football     TX- Football 0 Subject: RIFCAAA2 Regular Season Posted by: culdeus - [6722322] Fri, Sep 09, 2005, 08:17 Shortcut to league page 1 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 19:48 Looks like a split for me this week I guess. Sigh. 2 holt       ID: 498451119       Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 20:50 culdeus - looks like you'll win both your games to me. culpepper - you suck! 3 Toral       ID: 10858715       Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 21:03 Anyone have success with AOL live stats? Another bitch about AOLLM. Everytime I do something that requires it to go to another page, it takes about 2 minutes to load. Anyone else have that issue? I haven't checked my results, because I know I'll be in the playoffs anyway, and after that, it's a craps game ;) Toral 4 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 21:38 I'm not worried about the load times. The free site are usually slow week 1 and then people's interest decline on the level of x^(-.5) each week after. 5 Toral       ID: 10858715       Sun, Sep 11, 2005, 22:20 Well, there may be an exception. Based on your comments, some folks may take great interest in beating you ;) Toral 6 holt       ID: 498451119       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 03:18 just so you guys know, I've entered the schedule through week 6. I'll try to have the rest of the weeks done asap. it just takes a while because you have to wait for the page to load each time you enter a game. btw - we're using the same schedule that the AA league is using. if you see any discrepancies between our schedule and the chart please let me know. here's the link (post 39). 7 FRICK@Work       ID: 220211       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 09:11 I'll agree with you Holt that loading the schedule is a pain. I tried to find times when the response time wasn't to bad. AOL could definately improve the interface. 8 Tree       ID: 599393013       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 10:25 could someone please link me to the rules on waivers/free agents? i seem to have missed that... 9 FUGAZI       ID: 5732912       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 12:26 the game ball goes to willie parker! wow what a game! looks like i will win my games unless Edgerton Hartwell scores more than 8. 10 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 12:32 How do you lose points over night? Last night when I went to bed I was down 9 points, now I am down like 20. 11 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 12:48 i wonder if they were late in adding IDP points? 12 beastiemiked       Sustainer       ID: 03531815       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 14:32 Where are you finding these scores at? 13 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 15:32 could someone please link me to the rules on waivers/free agents? i seem to have missed that... 14 holt       ID: 498451119       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 16:20 tree: Free Agent Deadlines During the preseason, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions: Always During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions: Weekly starting Wednesday 01:00p EST and players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game. Dropped Player (when a dropped player becomes available for pickup) During the preseason, dropped player becomes available: 48 hours after player is dropped. During the regular season, dropped player becomes available: 48 hours after player is dropped. Claims The following is a list of your leagues weekly deadline(s) to submit your claims request: Wednesday at 12:00p EST Waivers Requests made for players on the waiver wire are awarded to the highest ranking team. Team rankings are established each Tuesday morning. Your league is set to rank teams using the following criteria: First Criteria: Worst to First, Win % (Season) Second Criteria: First to Worst, Points Scored (Season) Third Criteria: First to Worst, Points Scored (Last Week) Fourth Criteria: Virtual Coin Toss Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player. Teams can add umlimited player(s) per week using the waiver wire system. Players will immediately go to the waiver wire for 48 hours after player has been dropped. If a player's waiver processing date/time is set to occur after the player's game for the week has started, the league is set to: Player becomes a Free Agent next week Tuesday at Noon EST. 15 holt       ID: 498451119       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 16:22 you might also want to read my question to guru in post 62 here. it might help answer any question you might have. I'm also new to fanball/aol so I don't exactly understand how waivers operate at the moment. 16 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 16:27 so it's all automated. i put in the claim through AOL, and see what happens...got it...sort of..lol 17 holt       ID: 498451119       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 16:37 it allowed you to put a claim in? I tried to pick up a player and it just gave me the "players lock 5 minutes before kickoff" message. guru said there is a separate waiver claims section but that it doesn't pop up til after the first week is complete. 18 holt       ID: 498451119       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 16:41 condolences to Toral. 3rd rd pick Javon Walker out for season. torn ACL. ouch. 19 fugazi       ID: 2801123       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 20:11 that is a horrible loss. sorry toral 20 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 23:37 Splits with a second game loss make culdeus very sad. Come on Vick do something for once. 21 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 03:56 Looks like I split too. Hard to tell, site is pretty slow and I don't know if it is updated. I made some terrible decisions on who to start this week. 22 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 07:38 Site is really really messed up. It vacated alot of scores. 23 holt       ID: 38851316       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 17:55 if i understand correctly, waivers and claims are two separate processes. waivers only apply to players that are dropped from rosters (or new players added to the system). claims apply to free agents. all free agents are frozen 5 minutes before their game time and are not available to be signed again until wednesday 1pm eastern - BUT, claims can be made on those players up until 12noon eastern. at noon the claims are processed (worst to first). an hour later all FA's are available to be signed normally. so, if there are players you want to pick up in the claims process tomorrow, don't try to use the waivers link. use the claims link and make your claims through the 'Create/Edit Your Claiming System Requests' link. i haven't entered my own claims yet so I haven't tested it, but I'm pretty sure that's how it's done. 24 Tree       ID: 55851318       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 19:09 for all those complaining about AOL, it could be worse... this, from espn.com A Message from ESPN.com Dear Fantasy Football Fan, I want to let you know that everyone at ESPN.com shares your frustration with the early season technical problems with our Fantasy Football application. I appreciate very much that you have chosen to play Fantasy Football with us and we value our relationship with you - fan to fan. I want to apologize to you for the problems we've had and assure you that we are doing everything in our power to solve them and provide an experience that the best, most passionate sports fans on the Web deserve. Our aim is to have our Fantasy Football application operating normally for this Sunday's games. We will be updating you on our progress and resolution. Again we appreciate that you are playing Fantasy Football with us and we will do everything possible to make this a terrific experience for you this season. Sincerely, John Kosner Senior Vice President and General Manager the goal is to have it operating by sunday?!?!?! 25 Toral       ID: 10858715       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 19:17 I said in my rationale that I didn't like Walker for some reason. Premonition I guess. 26 TB       ID: 1286814       Tue, Sep 13, 2005, 19:59 It seems like almost every season somebody who holds out for a bigger contract and reports late, gets injured. Probably not true and maybe those players just stand out a bit more than others who get hurt. 27 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 09:29 When will the full schedule get fixed? 28 holt       ID: 19821147       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 15:29 it's accurate through week 6 right now. their interface is terrible. instead of setting all the games for a week and then hitting save, it saves after each game you enter - so there's a 2-3 second lag each time. just a pain in the butt. I'll try to finish it today though. 29 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 17:37 Does anyone understand how to do the waivers? help 30 TB       ID: 37373017       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 18:03 Yes, but I am not at home so can't access the site. You go to claims and in the drop-down window select claim A. You scroll through and find the player you want on the right and select the player you want to drop on the left. Then you click save. You can enter as many as you want for claim A, but only one from this list will be done and it will be the top one that is still available. You then go to the drop down window and select claim b. You can do the same thing on this list. For example, lets say I want a WR with my first claim and am in the 6th claiming spot. I know I want to dump Warrick, so I choose 6 different WR I want with claim A and use Warrick as the same player to drop for each. With claim B, I want to drop my DL for another DL, so do the same thing. Hope that helps. TB 31 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 19:49 Great, so I missed it I see. Did I mention I hate AOL. 32 Toral       ID: 10858715       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 19:54 Took a while for me to figure it out. Would have offered help to MB question but didn't see it till too late. Not very intuitive and the site is S-L-O-W. 33 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 19:59 Oh well, I was able to get the guys I wanted more or less. 34 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 21:00 It looks like you were able to make two waiver claims. For the record, it is the exact same set-up that was used on fanball last year. 35 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Wed, Sep 14, 2005, 21:22 I just realized you are Sangre De Toro and not Watermelon Farmers, so I was wrong. Both of the players you did get were choices I had claims on if I didn't get the players I wanted. 36 holt       ID: 98331416       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 01:15 yahoo is the only fantasy site i've used that runs smoothly. sorting through FA's is a breeze. every other interface I've used is clunky as hell. 37 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 01:18 Yeah, it's all that extra crap they have on there. Where can I find the pick-ems standings? In case nobody else knows, what is the point in doing pick-ems if it doesn't show the standings? I can't even find who I picked last week. 38 Trip       ID: 188291121       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 01:25 Guys/Gals Please take the time to vent your frustrations with the difficuly of picking up free agents and making waiver/free agent claims by clicking on the following link . I don't like their system either, but if enough of us send them feedback, they are likely to take action. 39 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 07:50 Yeah, as I started to do it I realized that it was similar to fanball last year. I guess they are just porting that fanball engine. It's still not that intuitive. You would think clicking on "yes" would put it into some sort of pool to sort later. 40 Tree       ID: 12835155       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 07:55 i think they're actually using the fanball engine, no? 41 holt       ID: 288131513       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 14:13 yeah - it's the same as fanball, but free. I posted a little about claims and waivers in post 23 above. claims are what happen on wednesday each week. waivers only apply to players who are dropped. claims are easy to make. just go to transactions, then 'Create/Edit Your Claiming System Requests'. TB - there are links you can click after you select pick 'em: » My Picks » Pick Summary » Standings » Results looks like we were the only two to make picks last week. 42 holt       ID: 288131513       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 14:22 this week's waiver priority has been edited. teams that made claims have been moved down appropriately. 43 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Thu, Sep 15, 2005, 19:50 Thanks for telling me how to review the pick ems standings. 11-3 is impressive, Holt, especially for week one. 44 holt       ID: 15829167       Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 19:43 lol - you should see me play rock, scissors, paper. unstoppable! looking forward to kicking some butt tomorrow. wish I had sunday ticket. the networks always show crap games here in my area. I end up following play by play on the computer more than watching the tv a lot of the time. 45 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 21:41 I went to do pick-ems and the site is so annoyingly slow, I just randomly picked teams this week. I will probably still do better than last week. 46 Toral       ID: 10858715       Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:21 Stay healthy, Antonio Pierce. All I need from you is one tackle. If you need a bodyguard or something for between now and game time, just let me know. 47 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 23:46 It feels good to be on this end of a sweep. But, ever notice how some victories are sweeter than others? 48 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 06:00 right now it looks like I lose both games, but the scores are so close that I'm not ready to call it official yet. as it says on the live scoring screen: Live Scoring stats are unofficial, and should not be considered final. TB has anthony henry. AOL has him with 6 tackles, 1 assist. NFL.com shows 3 tackles, 4 assists. so there's reason to think there might be an adjusment. I'm only down 0.46 points so I'm crossing my fingers. I'm down 1.38 points to peter n. AOL shows roy williams with a forced fumble, while NFL.com doesn't credit him one, so I may still have some hope there too. 49 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 06:12 hmmmm. nfl.com also shows tiki barber with 83 rushing yards. aol has him with only 78 yards. those extra 5 yards would give me a win over TB and put me within a point of peter n. crazy. 50 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:09 My team needs more cowbell 51 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 14:12 Nice job wiggs. Won a game with a negative at RB and 2 goose eggs. 52 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 16:43 I may ask for a scoring review of the game between me and peter n. in the RIFC thread I've asked guru what the process is for this. I'll post his response here. 53 beastiemiked       Sustainer       ID: 03531815       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 17:10 Assisted tackles are .5 points so the outcome won't change even if Roy is credited with one less assisted tackle. 54 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 18:04 it's an unassisted tackle that is showing up differently. 55 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 21:56 Guru's response: My understanding is that the stats in the NFL gamebook are official. They show Williams with 2 tackles and 2 assists, plus a PD and a FF. This produces a total of 9 points. That agrees with what Fanball has. The stats on the "game stats" page at NFL.com are not as reliable. ______________ looks like that game is in the books then. btw - anyone can have their points reviewed for any game. there's a deadline though. can't remember what it is off the top of my head. 56 holt       ID: 50829194       Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 22:02 found the official rule for this: ________________________________ How's this for dealing with scoring errors: During the regular season: Scoring errors (for whatever reason) will be corrected whenever they are called to the attention of the Commissioner. This includes those due to scoring changes announced by the NFL after the initial stats are released. However, the results of any head-to-head game will not be changed, regardless of a subsequent scoring change, unless the score is challenged prior to midnight (Pacific time) on the Saturday following that game week. A challenge must be posted by a manager in the current RIFC discussion thread at the RotoGuru forum. In the event that a winner-changing challenge is posted by the deadline, then the manager of the opposing team will be given until midnight (Pacific time) on Monday (i.e., 48 hours later) to post any additional scoring challenge for that game. If that second challenge is upheld and it restores the original winner of the game in question, then the game result shall stand as originally posted. The only exception is following the final week of the regular season. At midnight (Pacific time) on the Wednesday following the final regular season game, all challenges must be posted. No challenge filed after that time will impact any regular season result. However, if a late challenge causes a changed game result, the manager of the new losing team will have 24 hours to post an additional challenge. Comments: 1. You have until the end of Saturday to challenge the result of your game. If you find a scoring error that changes a game result and it is posted before the Saturday night deadline, then the opposing manager gets until Monday to check for any additional errors. 2. If a scoring error is noticed after the related Saturday deadline, the fantasy points will still be corrected, but the result of the game (winner and loser) will not be changed. The points could still come into play for playoff seeding. 3. The drop dead date is midnight on the Wednesday following the final regular season game. Playoffs A scoring challenge must be posted by midnight Wednesday. The losing team will have an additional 24 hours to respond to the challenge. 57 holt       ID: 48815226       Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 22:27 this week's waiver wire priority has been edited. teams that made claims this week have been moved down in waiver priority. 58 Hubble       ID: 59562922       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 08:57 I guess that is why LT and Shawn Alexander went #1 and #2... 59 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 18:52 I'd appreciate it if no one blocks my waver claim of Vinny. 60 Toral       ID: 10858715       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:00 How do you figure that? You don't even own Pennington. 61 holt       ID: 208142616       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:04 ha - no kidding hubble. well - I got stomped on sunday. finally get a good game from culpepper only to watch the rest of my team implode. not pushing the panic button yet, but I AM getting out the user manual to find out where it's located - just in case. 62 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:16 Toral - Thank God for that. I thought Lamont Jordan was signed to a free agent contract to share some carries with CMart, not to be his fantasy handcuff. 63 holt       ID: 208142616       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:19 I'm confused. 64 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:51 How so? 65 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 23:22 i dont understand how to make a FA pick up. Everytime I try it tells me I have to wait til Wednesday. Do I have to make a claim on wednesday for it to go through like friday? 66 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 23:27 see post 30 67 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 23:48 wiggs - FA pick ups are after 12 noon Wednesday Before Wednesday at noon, you must put in a claim. Then at noon on Wednesday, claims are awarded according to Waver Wire priority. That's the main gist of it as I understand. 68 Trip       Sustainer       ID: 13961611       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 00:09 I drafted these instructions for RIFC #1. Anyone who can help clarify them, please have a shot. I will delete this post afterwards. You can peruse the free agent list and sort them however you like by clicking on Players->Free Agents or Players ->Player Listing and Stats. There are three ways to drop/add players. 1. Drop/Add Players - This is to drop/add players when the after the weekly claiming process has gone through. During the regular season, league members are allowed to make their own free agent acquisitions: Weekly starting Wednesday 01:00p EST and players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game 2. Free Agent Claim - This is the first chance to claim a player after the previous week's games. It is based on the waiver priorities as described in the rules. Free Agent Claims must be submitted by Wednesday at 12:00p EST every week. The Free Agent Claim priority criteria is the same as the waiver wire priority (listed below). 3. Waiver Wire - This is the first chance to claim players who have been dropped by the Free Agent Claim Process. Waivers Requests made for players on the waiver wire are awarded to the highest ranking team. Team rankings are established each Tuesday morning. Your league is set to rank teams using the following criteria: First Criteria: Worst to First, Win % (Last Week) Second Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Season) Third Criteria: Worst to First, Points Scored (Last Week) Fourth Criteria: Virtual Coin Toss Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player. Teams can add umlimited player(s) per week using the waiver wire system. Players will immediately go to the waiver wire for 48 hours after player has been dropped. If a player's waiver processing date/time is set to occur after the player's game for the week has started, the league is set to: Player becomes a Free Agent next week Tuesday at Noon EST. You can complain on how clunky the free agent/waiver wire process is, but not to me or in this thread. Please send those complaints to AOL by clicking here. 69 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 00:23 Thanks, Trip I think that covers it all. 70 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 00:36 i got it too, thanks. 71 holt       ID: 208142616       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 05:05 mjd - I was confused by "I thought Lamont Jordan was signed to a free agent contract to share some carries with CMart, not to be his fantasy handcuff." can't understand what that has to do with posts 59 and 60. no big deal. it just made my brain hurt. I read it 3 or 4 times and it may as well been a complex physics formula. : ) 72 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 09:05 Just curious. So if you have to readjust the waiver order after claims does that mean that the first waiver claimer gets all their picks and then the second gets all theirs not taken by the first and so on? This is semi-important as we are getting into the more decent bye-week teams. 73 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 11:17 holt, I meant Blaylock. I've got Jordan on another team and I wasn't thrilled with his production this weekend either. My bad. 74 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 11:23 culdeus Teams are moved to the end of the ranking order when they are awarded a player. 75 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 18:29 #57 confused me a bit. 76 holt       ID: 208142616       Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 21:21 waiver wire ranking has been updated. teams that made claims have been moved down: 1 cEHp 2 Peter N. 3 ADAMS COLLEGE 4 Sangre De Toro 5 Hubble's 6 Fantasy Thugs 7 TB 8 Bmd 9 Dilligads 10 CM Punks You Out 11 Watermelon Farmers 12 mjd's maelstrom 13 SuperNovas 14 Toral Wheatfarmers 77 Tree       ID: 1839304       Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 06:39 check your transactions...apparently, AOL isnt' the best at alerting you to trade offers. i've got a few out there... 78 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 14:37 i am really pissed off right now. I made changes to my line up and it showed them as being made this morning and now it is showing them as being made for week 5. I put in DeAngelo Hall for the empty spot and pittman in for Bennett. This has already cost me 15 points. 79 holt       ID: 5192217       Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 18:34 CULPEPPER!!!!!!!!!!! YOU GIANT PILE OF STINKING POO!!!!!!!!!!!! 80 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 13:26 i just also realized that my ray lewis change also didnt take. I am winning now, but both my opponents have strong players going tonight so it will probably cost me 2 wins 81 holt       ID: 3394637       Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 22:09 is anyone interested in working out a trade or two? I'm not interested in raking anyone over the coals. I want to seriously work with someone and see if we can find something that would help both our teams. a lot of times it's just not possible because of depth issues, but it's still worth taking a look. I need to shake things up and the FA cupboard is bare. all of my players are available, regardless of depth. shoot me an e-mail. anything from a slight position upgrade to complete overhaul is possible. 82 holt       ID: 3394637       Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 22:12 wiggs - that's painful. I double-check my lineup once or twice a day once it gets to friday. even when I know my lineup is ok I still check it again. it's always in the back of my mind that something like that could easily happen. 83 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 23:47 holt, I'm game. I see what you mean about compatability though. 84 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 00:01 I went in and tried to set line-ups for future weeks and can't find how it is done. I just don't see that as an option, but maybe it won't let you do it once the games have started. I do see that it will not allow you to make changes once a players game has started. 85 holt       ID: 3394637       Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 02:42 mjd - I'll take a look as soon as I get a chance. It might be sometime tomorrow before I get to it. let me know if you have any ideas. 86 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 00:06 Wiggs, I was looking at this weeks match-ups and it doesn't look like it accepted your changes for week 5, either. Just giving you the heads up so you can set them early this week. 87 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 00:30 thanks TB 88 THK new home       ID: 27752210       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 11:02 Man am I getting lucky! 6-2 but my PF just don't add up! I need it though... Anybody interested in a deal of Foster and Evans/Stallworth or something of that nature for an upgrade at WR? I really need help at WR... Thanks, THK 89 holt       ID: 3394637       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 22:53 mjd - I've been trying to find some kind of trade that could help both of us but nothing is jumping out at me. let me know if you see something. maybe even a minor trade could help us out. just so you know I'd be interested in the following: - swapping my qb2 griese to mcnair - swapping the Bills to the Steelers. so if you could find a swap that would let you upgrade equally maybe we could work something out. I also may have interest in your injured wr's. 90 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 23:23 That's what I was saying about trade compatability. At this point in time, I look to be a low seller. Thus far, my projections are not looking so good. Of the two moves that you suggest, the QB trade looks like a lateral move for both teams and the Bills D has somewhat underperformed pretty much like my Wash D, who I thought might be tradable. That's OK, because things tend to change during the season because of injuries and such. As an owner, I have also underperformed so far. Some of my game day decisions are making me look like a fantasy version of Mike Martz. Not a clue. At this point in time, I feel like my best move is to not panic and hold tight for now. It's kinda funny in a way. The one team that I wanted to do well against tough competition is doing poorly. Other teams that I had lower expextations for are doing well. Thanks anyhow and if you see something, shoot me an offer. I favor trades that can potentially help both teams. 91 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 23:45 That said, I'm open to all offers. 92 Tree       ID: 5895564       Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 06:57 CEHP - i've made some trade offers to you - please check them. to anyone else - i'm looking for a servicable WR. i'm not willing to give a ton, so i don't expect a ton, but i do need someone who doesn't have a bye in weeks 6. i'll listen to all reasonable offers... 93 holt       ID: 3394637       Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 10:10 tree - i made a small offer. feel free to counter if you want. waiver wire order has been updated. teams that made claims were moved to the bottom. 94 holt       ID: 3394637       Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 20:55 anyone interested in duce staley or brandon jabobs? I'm mostly interested in help at wr, but may also look at qb or rb offers. 95 Tree       ID: 394086       Sat, Oct 08, 2005, 11:03 CEHP? are you even around? 96 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 09:36 Holt, I saw your post in the RIFC thread and wanted to let you know I got the same message yesterday afternoon when I tried to pick up Jurevicius. I settled for Warrick, but don't think I am going to start him. I would have started Jurevicius, though. 97 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 12:38 Good thing I set my lineup last PM and don't need to make any last minute changes. I can't access the AOL site. 98 holt       ID: 4792072       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 14:26 yeah - my brother was over here at my house trying to put Troupe back in for Conwell but he couldn't access the league site. how convenient that the only time the site is down is just prior to the first games of the week. thought they said that issue was resolved after week 1. 99 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 15:30 Fortunately, I left my game day decisions off my starting roster. I never trust these gaming web sites. 100 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 16:19 I might have added Chris Gamble had I been able. At least no 0s. 101 Hubble       ID: 59562922       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 20:25 I have good WR to offers... 102 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 23:24 Hubble, an 18th round pick panning out big time will do that for you. If I can help us both, please make me an offer. It looks like my team will not pan out until later in the year. So right now I'm not in a strong seller. More likely a strong cellar. 103 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 00:56 MAn, these losses are getting tough to swallow. outscore 10 of the 13 teams in the league and lose both games. 104 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 01:18 I noticed that as well. Schedule wasn't favoring you this week. 105 Toral       ID: 10858715       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 10:13 mjd: trade offer out to you. 106 holt       ID: 4792072       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 18:58 mjd - I don't think your team logo is showing up right. is he supposed to be jumping from side to side like that? 107 holt       ID: 4792072       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 19:18 I just processed this trade: In League Manager League: RIFC AAA-II, mjd's maelstrom has approved a trade with Toral Wheatfarmers on Tue 10/11 5:47p ET. Toral Wheatfarmers has traded: LB Gary Brackett, IND And receive from mjd's maelstrom: DL Dwight Freeney, IND 108 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 19:35 Now that's a blockbuster trade right there! ;-) 109 Hubble       ID: 59562922       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 22:55 It is funny to see how Culdeus has the most PA :) Everyone seems to try their best to beat the "projector"! and Wiggs, i feel you bro... was there last year... and manage to go in playoff through the back door, and did go to the final. I watch the game on Monday... was cheering when LD had only 39 yds after 2 quarters... Then he woke up and rakcing yds like crazy... then Miller had a TD... then LD had a TD... that was a heck of a game. 110 Hubble       ID: 59562922       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 22:56 though i was 0-5 after 5 weeks... you are almost 0.500... no real comparaison here... 111 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 23:29 I had Ward going against his LT and Donnie Edwards. Edwards kept getting tackles and I was watching the lead shrink. When Ward got his TD, I was feeling great only to see the call get reversed. Speaking of which, as a Raider fan, I always get to see poor officiating against my team. Sure, I will admit that the Raiders cause plenty of it themselves, but the imbalance of holding calls and pass interference always get my goat up. Anyway, the Steelers were getting the short-end of the stick in that game. The "fair-catch" rule was pretty stupid. Sproles was never going to catch that ball and Ward wasn't down on his TD. Plenty of other questionable calls too. Okay, back to the game. When LT got his TD I was nervously watching the clock and just hoping the game would end. Would have sucked to see SD get the ball back with a couple seconds left and watch LT bust a big play for the game winning TD. 112 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 01:13 I've been distracted this week, as my inlaws are in town. Man, I hated to trade Freeney, but at least it doesn't mess up my bye weeks. wiggs, I got another team doing the same thing and it's really pissing me off. Hubble, That's what I was saying in post #47. But I do enjoy his prognostications. (huffing and puffing, out of breath) 113 holt       ID: 4792072       Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:33 this week's waiver wire priority has been updated. 114 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:32 Damn you game day injury decisions and the snail's speed AOL site! 115 holt       ID: 4792072       Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 04:15 hmmm - live scoring originally had Demorrio Williams credited with a 59 yd return along with a TD. now it's taken away both. the actual play was a blocked fg which he returned for a TD: 4-22-ATL 29 (:04) 3-J.Carney 47 yard field goal is BLOCKED (59-M.Boley), Center-47-K.Houser, Holder-4-T.Bouman, RECOVERED by ATL-51-D.Williams at ATL 41. 51-D.Williams for 59 yards, TOUCHDOWN. I have no idea how this is properly scored in our format but I do know that he should at least get the 6 points for the TD. I understand that the scoring for the 59 yds was taken away but the td should still be there. if AOL doesn't adjust this I will have to make a manual adjustment. 116 holt       ID: 4792072       Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 20:05 206 Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 13:53 [203/204] - he should get credit for the TD. I can't override this until after the final scores are posted tomorrow. _______________ so - I'll edit Demorrio Williams' points tomorrow if AOL hasn't done it. 117 culdeus       ID: 31630622       Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 07:51 Good lord. People just pile it on me every week. 118 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:54 culdeus, that was exactly what happened to me last week. I outscore everyone except 2 teams and it just so happens those were the teams I played. 119 Hubble       ID: 69241612       Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 16:40 I'm looking for a RB that doesnt have a bye week #8 RB: Arrington, Shipp WR: Chambers, Randle El, Glenn or McCardell... TE: Wiggins, Miller K: Vinateiri IDP: Taylor, Urlacher, Coleman, Mcgee I'm willing to pay 2 or 3 for 1... better the RB better the offer... 120 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 22:13 I shot you an offer Hubble. Nothing blockbuster, but about the best I could offer. 121 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 10:13 ditto... 122 Hubble       ID: 8928206       Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 23:23 Received offers... i will take time to analyse tomorrow.. and respond before tomorrows game.. 123 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 00:40 I won't be around tomorrow before the game starts so I cancelled the offer. If your other offer doesn't work out, maybe we can try something different. I snagged a free agent to fill my wr hole for this week. 124 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 19:32 wow, both my games are less then 1 point apart, I am winning 1 and losing 1. Crazy. 125 culdeus       ID: 516121713       Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:53 Seriously, how often do I get the second place score and play the first place score? You'd think at some point 120-130 would get a double win. Well, this week pretty much eliminates me. It's been fun. Someday I'll figure out this format. 126 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 09:18 You are not eliminated. Remember, the top 6 seeds are based on W/L record, and the 7-8 seeds are based on total points. 127 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 23:44 Sorry, no disclaimers. Especially you, culdeus. 128 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 20:34 Ok, I'm firmly in place for that situation then. 129 holt       ID: 4792072       Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 22:36 waiver wire has been updated. anyone interested in any of these guys? RB Greg Jones WR's Michael Clayton or Isaac Bruce 130 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:24 HOLT trade proposal sent via aol... i'll be away for the week-end so there is no rush... 131 holt       ID: 4792072       Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 15:53 k - got it. I'll check it out. 132 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 20:11 Finally I'll get a sweep. 133 Tree       ID: 25952315       Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 06:52 gonna be tight on my side of things. TB and i have a close game, i'm up by 9.76, and tonight i've got by Todd Heap going against his Hines Ward and his Baltimore Defense. i'm definitely at a distinct disadvantage, but stranger things have happened. in my other game, i'm down by 10.78, with Heap being the last guy on either team to play. a big game by him could make the difference between a 2-0 and an 0-2 week for me... 134 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 19:33 A nail-biter between us for sure. I need Hines Ward to have a 100 yard 2 TD night to open it up a bit. You can't imagine how irked I was last night when Pass let go of the ball and Schobel scooped it up. If I lose by less than 2 points it is going to irk me all week. In other news, I am ahead of Toral in Serious Biz by a whole .50 points and he has Reed going tonight. One lousy extra point is all he needs for the win this week. I had been pretty lucky with my weekly match-ups so far, but it looks like I will be the #2 scorer losing to him this week. 135 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 00:26 My game with Hubble will be close. I have 2 Pittsburgh IDPs and their D. At 12:20AM, it's another loss for me. Official stats could gain me a split. 136 holt       ID: 4792072       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 03:05 I've been offered a trade that I plan on accepting (can't accept it til tomorrow). Fugazi (my bro) has offered Roethlisberger for McMichael. I think it's an even deal that helps both teams but I'm commish and the deal is with my brother so I'll allow plenty of time for you guys to veto it if you think there's reason to do so. the reasoning behind the trade: I've lost both my qb's (culpepper and griese) for the season. Fugazi gets an upgrade at TE (Troupe to McMichael) by giving up his qb2 (Peyton Manning qb1). 137 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 10:40 holt, the trade seems ok to me. 138 MikeV       SuperDude       ID: 25924115       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 11:28 Good trade 139 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 11:49 no issues on this trade... 140 culdeus       ID: 71032112       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:34 Knew the LJ pick would payoff at some point. I'm gonna try to re-run the stuff through the dominator as soon as post bye week pickups are done. Should be interesting who's improved/fallen the most from beginning of year. 141 holt       ID: 4792072       Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 14:50 I'm sure I've got a few on the 'who's fallen the most' list. culpepper and clayton come to mind. 142 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 13:50 ugh. wtf... i have been trying for days to claim people off of waivers, and it kept saying that the waiver system was inactive. when i tried this morning, it told me i had to wait until noon. i go to do it, and now it's all processed. 143 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:43 Check the "View Transactions" area. I put in a free agent claim for B. Johnson at 1:59PM. Unbeknownst to me, Tree picked him up at 1:58PM. So I did not get Johnson, but it still waved Brackett from my roster. Why would it process half of this transaction and not give me an error message or just deny the transaction? This is not a serious problem for me today, but what if I wanted to keep Brackett if I could not get Johnson. I'd be screwed. As it is, I would not have waved Beckett unless I was going to replace him with someone else. 144 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 15:51 wow. that's bizarre. 146 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 16:16 Imagine my surprise when I went to check my roster and neither was there. Another AOL glitch to be aware of. Just as well, since my real problem is at RB with injuries and a McGahee bye. 147 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:46 tree - waivers only become functional one hour after the weekly claims are processed each wednesday, then they become non-functional again for players that are locked (5 minutes before that particular player's game starts). once players become locked there is no way you can pick any of them up until the claims process on wednesday. then 1 hour after claims are processed you can sign FA's or put in waiver claims. 148 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:14 I am baffled by the waiver wire/claiming order. I thought it wasn't supposed to be reset again for the rest of the year? Once you make a claim you go to the bottom. This shows the current order: 1 cEHp 2 Fantasy Thugs 3 Bmd 4 Hubble's 5 SuperNovas 6 Sangre De Toro 7 Peter N. 8 CM Punks You Out 9 TB 10 Dilligads 11 Toral Wheatfarmers 12 Watermelon Farmers 13 ADAMS COLLEGE 14 mjd's maelstrom The teams in bold made claims this week. Are claims and waivers to be counted as two seperate things? Even if waivers are reset every week by the commish, when claims are made is it AOL still basing claims requests on current standings? So, if I am looking at it correctly, and I am about 99.9% sure that I am, the new order will be: 1 cEHp 2 Fantasy Thugs 3 Hubble's 4 SuperNovas 5 Peter N. 6 CM Punks You Out 7 TB 8 ADAMS COLLEGE 9 mjd's maelstrom 10 Bmd 11 Dilligads 12 Sangre De Toro 13 Toral Wheatfarmers 14 Watermelon Farmers Will this be the order for claims next week too? 149 holt       ID: 231035221       Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:34 tb - I have to manually reset waiver order each week. I haven't adjusted them yet. all teams that made claims will be moved down appropriately. AOL no longer adjusts our waiver order in any way. it's all done manually. 150 holt       ID: 231035221       Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:47 "Will this be the order for claims next week too?" yes, but only if no waiver claims are made this week. if you pick someone up on waivers you'll move to the bottom of the list. the earliest any players on waivers become available is always noon friday so there's always plenty of time for me to get waiver priority adjusted before it becomes an issue. 151 holt       ID: 231035221       Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 02:01 mjd - that's an odd glitch. if something like that ever happens just let me know (I check this forum more often than I check my e-mail). If you actually did want Brackett back on your roster I could put him back on there. I did notice earlier today that you made a drop without picking up a player to replace him. thought it was odd. another thing - if there are AOL server issues on a sunday morning and any of you aren't able to get a roster move done - post here BEFORE the players involved would be locked and I can make the roster moves later when the server calms down. don't wait til the last second though. if your post here is 4 minutes before kickoff then you're screwed. 152 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 13:24 Thanks holt, I found a replacement player for that roster spot. Mainly, I just wanted to alert the rest of the league about the glitch. 153 holt       ID: 231035221       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 02:55 holy crap. this blows. Nov. 3 Ben Roethlisberger (QB) Pit underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee on Thursday morning and will miss this Sunday's game, according to the AP. It's possible that Big Ben will return in Week 10, but Week 11 is more likely. Charlie Batch will start in place of Roethlisberger. 154 holt       ID: 231035221       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 03:54 anyone have a spare QB they wanna deal? 155 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 07:06 i could trade brunell 156 holt       ID: 231035221       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 11:29 i'll take a look wiggs. thanks. 157 holt       ID: 231035221       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 12:10 offer accepted wiggs. SuperNovas sends: QB Mark Brunell, WAS WR Willie Ponder, NYG to Watermelon Farmers for: QB Gus Frerotte, MIA WR Muhsin Muhammad, CHI 158 wiggs       ID: 11103749       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 12:30 now that the bye weeks are almost over does anyone have a 3rd rb sitting on their bench they are willing to trade? I will trade a WR in replace of your WR quality for quality. IE, you give me a quality back I will give you C Johnson or holt. you give me a weak rb I will give up marcus robinson or someone like that. 159 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 23:02 i'll raise wiggs offer... lol is that cheap? 160 holt       ID: 231035221       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 15:25 lol - this can't be right (from nfl.com): 3-10-CIN 25 (14:00) S.Graham 93 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.St. Louis, Holder-K.Larson. 161 holt       ID: 231035221       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 15:31 what the hell? they're still showing the 3 points on the scoreboard. here's the play by play: Fourth Quarter Baltimore Ravens continued... 3-9-CIN25 (15:00) (Shotgun) K.Stewart right end to CIN 25 for no gain (D.O'Neal). 4-9-CIN25 (14:32) J.Lewis right end to CIN 25 for no gain (B.Robinson, D.Clemons). Cincinnati Bengals at 14:00 1-10-CIN25 (14:00) J.Johnson left end to CIN 25 for no gain ([56]). 2-10-CIN25 (14:00) C.Palmer sacked at CIN 25 for 0 yards ([42]). 3-10-CIN25 (14:00) S.Graham 93 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.St. Louis, Holder-K.Larson. CIN 17 BAL 6, Plays: 3 Yards: 0 Possession: 1:21. Baltimore Ravens at 12:39 A.Elling kicks -29 yards from BLT 30 to BLT 1. T.Perry to BLT 16 for -15 yards (B.Scott). FUMBLES (B.Scott), and recovers at BLT 16. Cincinnati Bengals at 12:39 1-10-BAL16 (12:39) C.Palmer pass to T.Houshmandzadeh to BLT 17 for -1 yards (T.Polley). kordell stewart? 162 holt       ID: 231035221       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 15:35 now they're showing this. makes no sense. (sack for 47 yards! haha): Fourth Quarter Baltimore Ravens continued... 3-9-CIN25 (15:00) (Shotgun) K.Stewart right end to CIN 25 for no gain (D.O'Neal). 1-10-CIN15 (14:32) J.Lewis right guard to CIN 11 for 4 yards (B.Robinson, D.Clemons). 2-6-CIN11 (14:00) J.Lewis right guard to CIN 6 for 5 yards (B.Simmons). 3-1-CIN6 (14:00) K.Stewart sacked at CIN 12 for -6 yards (A.Mitchell). 4-7-CIN12 (14:00) M.Stover 31 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-[48], Holder-D.Zastudil. CIN 14 BAL 9, Plays: 13 Yards: 50 Possession: 6:50. Baltimore Ravens at 12:39 A.Elling kicks -29 yards from BLT 30 to BLT 1. T.Perry to BLT 16 for -15 yards (B.Scott). FUMBLES (B.Scott), and recovers at BLT 16. Cincinnati Bengals at 12:39 1-10-BAL16 (12:39) C.Palmer pass to T.Houshmandzadeh to BLT 17 for -1 yards (T.Polley). 2-11-BAL17 (12:02) R.Johnson left guard to BLT 24 for -7 yards (B.Scott, D.Edwards). 3-18-BAL24 (11:34) R.Johnson right tackle to BLT 28 for -4 yards (B.Scott, T.Polley). 3-9-BAL28 (10:50) C.Palmer sacked at CIN 25 for -47 yards (C.Williams). 3-9-CIN25 (10:50) C.Palmer pass to C.Perry to CIN 35 for 10 yards (A.Thomas). 163 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 20:11 It looks like I'm one of the rare ones never splitting up their lineup. I prolly should start one brees and one vick team each week, but I just try to get the best matchup and double start. 164 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 21:31 Once again I beat all but 2 teams in the league and those are the 2 teams that I play against. Another 0-2 week 165 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 22:06 I guess you think I don't have 3 more points left. 166 holt       ID: 231035221       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 01:09 people run identical lineups 95% of the time. real rare. 167 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 15:33 Tough one wiggs, did you ever find a RB? Now that Staley is in the mix, I've got him, Ronnie Brown,and McGahee. I probably want to hold McGahee unless you really want him. I also have Brandon Jacobs who vultured 3 TDs from Tiki in the last 2 weeks. 168 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 15:49 MJD, for brown or staley I would probably give up Muhammad for McGahee I would give up CJ or Holt. Do either of those sound reasonable? 169 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 16:19 Very interesting and reasonable. Let me mull it over a bit and I'll try to make an official offer today or in 24 hours at the latest. 170 holt       ID: 231035221       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 17:30 i need an RB. anyone that has a good RB they can deal - shoot me an offer. I can help at WR or QB, and I can throw Barlow or Perry into any deal. trade block: QB: Brunell, WAS Roethlisberger, PIT RB: Barlow, SF Perry, CIN WR: Curtis, STL Bruce, STL Jurevicius, SEA Lloyd, SF Wilford, JAC Parker, SD Clayton, TB 171 holt       ID: 231035221       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 17:32 trading deadline is: Fri 11/11 11:30p EST time to get some deals done! 172 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 18:08 holt, I've manage accumulate 6 RBs. I'm trading 1 to wiggs, but I'm still undecided which deal to take. I'll still have 5 left and I'm still looking for help at QB and WR. 173 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 23:36 If I end up on the odd side of the playoff bracket I'm gonna be pissed. I take it tanking games to get the 7 seed would probably get me kicked out of future rifc leagues.... 174 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 02:42 I love it when people start assuming that they're in the playoffs prematurely.... 176 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 15:10 wiggs, holt, offers sent. Please counter if unacceptable. Anyone else need a RB? 177 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 15:14 I'll probably have an extra WR also. Aw hell, everyone's available on my team. 178 holt       ID: 231035221       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 16:09 considering your offer mjd. waiting for some more injury info to come out. 179 holt       ID: 231035221       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 16:14 culdeus - you're in 6th now. what would the advantage be in dropping to 7th? makes no sense. 180 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 19:08 Makes all the sense in the world. However, it was sarcasm and I wouldn't do anything like that. Point being I think mjd has a nearly unbeatable squad. I'd much rather be on the opposite side of the bracket. Assuming he gets the 1 seed the 7 seed would not see mjd till the championship at the earliest. 181 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 19:10 culdeus, i assume you mean Mike V has an unbeatable squad. Even though MJD squashed me this week. MJD.let me look over that deal. 182 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 20:27 Yeah, I get confused a bit because I need a cross-reference to figure out who is who. 183 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 20:51 Take your time, wiggs. Counter if you want. Our previous trade talk was just that - talk. No official offers were made until now. 184 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 01:46 I am setting up my weekly claims when I notice it says that I am 9th for claims this week. Exactly where it said I was last week before you updated it, commish. See post 148. Do you have to reset it before claims are run each week? 185 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 02:34 i updated it - have to go check it out. 186 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 02:43 it's fixed now. I had updated waivers but spaced off updating claims priority. they both have to be manually changed each week. the fanball claim/waiver system is so bizarre. good eye TB. 187 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 05:49 trade announcement: mjd's maelstrom sends RB Duce Staley, PIT to Watermelon Farmers for WR Ernest Wilford, JAC 188 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 14:44 I grabbed Staley off wavers a few weeks back. I'll have to check to see who drafted him originally. 189 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 15:10 lol. I did. I'm looking for a little insurance at WR now. came up with Gado and G.Jones on claims so I actually have some kind of depth at RB now. Pretty good chance both of them will be starting this week. so if you need help at RB - gimme a shout. 190 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 17:39 wiggs, I pulled the trade offer. That doesn't mean it can't get done. Too much time for me to think about it. 191 holt       ID: 231035221       Wed, Nov 09, 2005, 18:49 another trade announcement: ADAMS COLLEGE sends WR Greg Lewis, PHI to Watermelon Farmers for RB Sam Gado, GB 192 holt       ID: 231035221       Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 14:53 just a day and a half left to make trades. I have Kevan Barlow and Greg Jones available if anyone needs a starting RB. looking for wr's or IDP upgrades. 193 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 18:05 i'd be interested Holt.... i got WR... 194 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 18:20 Holt : offer sent post here if any counter sent... i hate to log on AOL... if you send something ill log and check :) 195 holt       ID: 231035221       Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 23:31 i sent you an offer hubble. 196 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 09:30 done deal Holt... not sure if we will use them... but what the heck :) 197 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 09:33 btw i have Wiggins on the trading block... if your in need of a TE... i wouldn't ask too much for him ... maybe IDP, K or DEF or back-up QB. 198 holt       ID: 3210491114       Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 15:57 trade announcement: Hubble's sends WR T. Glenn to Watermelon Farmers for RB K. Barlow ________________ hubble - I'll start Glenn against the Eagles this week. I think the cowboys are gonna destroy em - but we'll see. I'm probably gonna keep Bruce on the bench til he proves himself in a game. 199 holt       ID: 3210491114       Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 16:40 just a few hours left til the trade deadline. I'm putting WR G.Lewis on the block. decent upside with T.O. gone. I'm looking for good idp's or maybe defenses. 200 culdeus       ID: 109401920       Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 18:37 Grrrrr...Cehp put in a bye riddled roster. I score 130+ and he's not gonna have a chance to give me a loss. grrrrrrrr 202 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 20:18 You are starting to worry me. 203 culdeus       ID: 516121713       Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 20:29 Well now I have no choice but try to take your 2 seed. Hide your women and children. 204 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 11:47 I knew week 10 was going to be rough, but I didnt expect at the time I said it that : Michael Bennett would suck and Ray Lewis would be injured. This was a REAL bad week. Looks like I need to fight hard to get into the play offs, but it isnt looking good. 205 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 13:11 WOW, my team really sucks. 3 players on a bye and I still lost. No playoffs for me. 206 culdeus       ID: 516121713       Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 18:02 My next 2 weeks are against 4 people that are above me at the moment in the standings. Time to get er done. 207 holt       ID: 3210491114       Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 04:13 wow. that's a helluva way to lose a game TB. the roy williams int td seals it and pete n. wins it with both williams AND the dallas defense. I managed to pull out must-win games against dilligads and toral on my desperate march for a playoff spot. at 9-11 I can't afford to lose any games. gotta keep winning. 208 TB       ID: 1286814       Wed, Nov 16, 2005, 18:11 I didn't even notice it. I checked the scores Sunday night and was behind. I had to work late Monday so when I got home and saw I lost, I didn't bother looking further. Sometimes it is better to just not know... 209 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 00:09 How you liking my LJ pick now Holt? 210 Tree       ID: 161052215       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 06:59 man. looks like i'm gonna go 0-2 this week. hopefully, my point total will sneak me into the playoffs... 211 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 08:06 You are a mortal lock to get in. 212 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 11:01 I am fighting for 1 of those 7 or 8 spots as well. 213 holt       ID: 3210491114       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 19:39 i don't recall ever having an opinion about your LJ pick culdeus. I do remember you drafting holmes though, and you laughing about how someone could be so ignorant as to pass on him, and my pointing out that he may only get 500 yards and 5 td's. 214 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 21:08 The reason why you couldn't pass on Holmes is that in a 14 person RB HEAVY league the Holmes + LJ was the ultimate no brainer past the first two picks. The odds of it running as a RBBC the whole season were very low. The thing I was most worried about was a Holmes injury that would bring him back for the playoffs. Now that I realize that the RIFC playoffs are meaningless and the regular season is all that matters the timing could not have been more perfect. 215 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 01:25 in what way are the playoffs meaningless? looking back at the draft - I can't believe LJ went late in the 6th rd. that seems odd considering that even last year he looked better than holmes on the field. surprised no one grabbed him earlier than that. 216 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 08:47 Well, for one there are no prizes for this league so theoretically the "prize" per se is getting to go to the RIFC which goes to the 1st and 2nd seeds rather than how the playoffs play out. I'm sure if someone swept the playoffs from a lower seed they'd make it too, but getting three wins in a row with benching threats of studs is not easy. 217 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 08:47 Battle for the 2nd seed among likely contenders. Hubble's 14-8 2618 Week 12 Tree and culdeus Week 13 Cehp and holt Culdeus 13-9 2822 Week 12 BMD and Hubble Week 13 Tree and Wiggs TB 13-9 2555 Week 12 Wiggs and MikeV Week 13 Toral and Thk BMD 13-9 2488 Week 12 culdeus and Tree Week 13 MikeV and mjd Easiest schedule on first glance: Tree Toughest schedule on first glance: culdeus I think based on the 1/2 game "lead" on PF lead and the head to head schedule remaining that anyone out of the 13-9 set is for all practical purposes eliminated. Obviously I can put together a perfect storm scenerio where this can happen, but it makes my head hurt. And obviously Mike V could crater allowing two of these teams in and with two h2h games vs.us it's not out of the realm, but he's also got two games vs. 2200pf teams left and still holds the top pf of all so in reality he's got a 1.5 game lead with 4 to go. and a 2.5 game lead on the 3rd seed. 218 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 09:43 i didn't realize that only the top two seeds make it. i presumed that the finalists in the championship game would get the promotion to the higher league. if that's the case, then yea, it does kinda render the playoffs useless... 219 beastiemiked       Sustainer       ID: 03531815       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 10:00 Winner of the playoffs make it as well. 220 culdeus       ID: 516121713       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 19:01 Teams to be invited to the 2006 RIFC: 1. me 2. The top 4 playoff seeds in the RIFC 3. The RIFC Playoff winner 4. The top 2 playoff seeds in each AAA league 5. The playoff winner in each AAA league 6. The playoff winner in the AA league So the playoff winner will get in for sure, but making it to the final 2 doesn't get you squat probably. 221 Toral       ID: 541029611       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 19:19 I'm pretty dead, with Bulger out. I guess I'm glad I didn't drop Martin, as I was thinking of. Against Hou, he should be OK. In addition, my main chance was to make it on points after 1-6 WLRs. Altho I won both games last week, I hurt myself badly by picking the wrong 2 of my 4 possible RBs. Ah, uck. Ah well, I gave it my shot. Does anyone else still hate the sloooooooooow AOL site? Is Fanball, which runs on the same platform AFAIK, any faster? There are great info and features on AOL, but I'm not nearly patient enuf to hang around that site any more than I need to. Toral 222 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 21:44 I hate it. I didn't bother looking at claims this week and have only done so in the last several weeks when the need outweighed the time it would waste. Regular fanball is much faster. The problem with AOL is that they try to cram so much crap onto every page. 223 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 00:12 Great... maybe 2 lost again this week... Its gonna be Reggie Wayne vs Marvin Harrisson tomorrow... 5 pts difference vs Culdeus... interesting :) 224 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 18:54 Yes, much depends on Wayne. Started the wrong QB this week. The lesson as always: I'm an idiot. 225 holt       ID: 311013220       Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 19:19 for the first time in a few weeks I benched Jurevicius, just in time for his 26 point game. I also made the bone-headed move of benching kinney for j.stevens. not that it matters. I'm just playing for pride now. trying to finish at .500. 226 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 20:07 Holt, a few weeks back, you picked up Darrant Williams off the WW. I wanted him, but settled for Champ Bailey instead. Thanks for that, at least this week. Now if Pittsburgh's D can score the 2.11 points I need to win our game........... 227 culdeus       ID: 321042023       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 07:47 Great... maybe 2 lost again this week... Its gonna be Reggie Wayne vs Marvin Harrisson tomorrow... 5 pts difference vs Culdeus... interesting :) Now that's a bad beat! Wow. Mike V has clinched his spot in the RIFC2006, three teams still left for the second spot. 228 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 10:37 doh!.... 0.98 pts that sucks real hard... Wtf Marvin... what is 9.9 yds for u? 229 wiggs       ID: 221055299       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 10:55 This is getting interesting. I am in 8th place and I have the 2nd most amount of points of a team not in the play offs. I guess it doesnt matter if I win or lose this week, I just need to pile on the points. What do I get if I make the play offs? A 1st round match up with the ever dangerous Mike V. Catch 22. Anyways, This has been a great season and the most fun I have had in a RIFC league. Thanks to all for making this league a success. 230 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 17:04 Going into last night's game in my game vs Holt showed: Watermelon Farmers 113.74 mjd's maelstrom 111.64 I had Pittsburgh's D and they scored 4 points Watermelon farmers players had all played, so he scored 0 I looked at results today and I see: Watermelon farmers 115.74 mjd's mealstrom 115.64 I'm just wondering where the 2 points came from for watermelon farmer? Are they still updating Sunday's stats on Monday night/Tuesday morning. I'm trying to recreate his lineup so I can add up the points, but I have no record of it and can't recall who exactly was in his lineup. I guess I'm just trying to find out how I lost by .11 points in a game I thought that I had won. 231 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:41 yeah i looked at the score last night and i was down a couple points. not really sure what the adjustments were. i looked it over and couldn't figure out what changed. 232 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:48 mjd - here ya go: Watermelon Farmers Pos Starting Lineup Pts QB Mark Brunell 11.66 Passer Rating: 96.8 Pass: 17/27/0/194 TD: 1 (22) Rush: 2/-1 TD: 0 RB Tiki Barber 17.80 Rush: 26/151 TD: 0 Rec: 5/27 TD: 0 RB Greg Jones 13.80 Rush: 23/78 TD: 1 (25) WR Isaac Bruce 15.40 Rec: 4/94 TD: 1 (43) WR Kevin Curtis 11.60 Rec: 1/56 TD: 1 (56) WR Terry Glenn 5.60 Rec: 4/56 TD: 0 TE Jerramy Stevens 0.00 PK Nate Kaeding 6.00 PAT: 2 FG: 1 (48) Missed FG: 2 (42,46) Def Rams, Team Defense 7.00 Int: 1 Sack: 3 Fmbl: 1 Sfty: 0 Blocked FG: 0 Punt: 0 All Points Allowed: 27 Def Points Allowed: 27 Net Yards Allowed: 412 ( Pass: 288 Rush: 124 ) Kick Return Yds: 68 DL Derrick Burgess 8.00 Tkl: 2 Ast: 0 Sack: 2 LB Demorrio Williams 8.00 Tkl: 7 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 FF: 0 FR: 1/0 TD: 0 DB Darrent Williams(r) 4.88 Tkl: 3 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 Kick Return Yds: 27 Punt Return Yds: 8 DB Adrian Wilson 6.00 Tkl: 6 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 Total 115.74 _____________________ mjd's maelstrom Pos Starting Lineup Pts QB Brett Favre 7.24 Passer Rating: 46.4 Pass: 15/33/2/171 TD: 1 (13) Rush: 1/4 TD: 0 RB T.J. Duckett 11.20 Rush: 19/72 TD: 1 (1) Fumble: 1 RB Ronnie Brown(r) 10.10 Rush: 15/58 TD: 1 (1) Rec: 2/23 TD: 0 Fumble: 2 WR Antonio Chatman 3.90 Punt Return Yds: 39 WR Joe Horn 4.70 Rec: 4/47 TD: 0 WR Ernest Wilford 2.80 Rec: 2/28 TD: 0 TE Jeremy Shockey 20.70 Rec: 10/127 TD: 1 (7) 2pt Rec: 1 PK Jason Elam 6.00 PAT: 3 FG: 1 (24) Def Steelers, Team Defense 4.00 Int: 1 Sack: 2 Fmbl: 0 Sfty: 0 Blocked FG: 0 Punt: 0 All Points Allowed: 26 Def Points Allowed: 26 Net Yards Allowed: 366 ( Pass: 239 Rush: 127 ) Kick Return Yds: 119 Punt Return Yds: 19 DL Kyle Vanden Bosch 13.00 Tkl: 4 Ast: 2 Sack: 2 FF: 1 FR: 0/0 TD: 0 LB Will Witherspoon 4.00 Tkl: 3 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 PD: 1 Int: 0/0 TD: 0 DB Champ Bailey 18.00 Tkl: 6 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 PD: 3 Int: 1/65 TD: 1 (65) DB Chris Gamble 10.00 Tkl: 5 Ast: 0 Sack: 0 PD: 2 Int: 1/0 TD: 0 Total 115.64 233 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:53 my best guess is that a fumble was corrected somewhere, but I have no idea. brunell had a fumble that was recovered by the offense, but I think it was credited properly in the first place. maybe something with rams defense? 234 mjd       Donor       ID: 501381415       Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 19:07 Thanks. I guess they must do a final update of all the stats along with or after Monday's game, but I can't figure it out either. I didn't think the Pittsburgh D could score me enough points to win that game. 235 holt       ID: 311013220       Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 20:42 you guys should all read the RIFC thread in the main football forum. we will be using their playoff transaction rules (I don't care for them but we'll do it anyway). we will probably also have a consolation bracket like the RIFC (toilet bowl championship). no teams in the consolation bracket are allowed to make transactions of any kind. 236 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 22:30 Cludeus and I are going back and forth. I have Collins and LT he has Brees and Jordan. This is quite a battle, no matter who wins. Great game. 237 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 00:59 There are alot of games up in the air, but as far as I can tell the standings will remain much the same from last week if you sort of guess how things will fall. Hopefully MikeV and I can lose right away so this group can get 3 for sure in next year. Lots of strong drafts and teams here. bolta it was fun. Make sure you follow the RIFCXLC in the coming days. 238 holt       ID: 311013220       Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 16:46 just a refresher, from the RIFC rules: " Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only. Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game. Thus, you cannot add or drop a QB, RB, WR, or team Def after the week #14 freeze, period. You can only drop someone else if that player is designated as "Questionable" or lower. If one of those players is dropped, he can only be replaced by a player fulfilling the same position. (IDPs will be considered the same position for this purpose.)" 239 holt       ID: 311013220       Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 17:02 the short version: The only transactions now allowed are injured TE's, K's, and IDP's being dropped for their replacements. teams in the the toilet bowl bracket can make no transactions of any kind. 240 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 17:06 now as is right now? or as in after the freeze on wednesday... can i put a claim for a 2nd QB now? 241 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 03:46 according to RIFC rules all rosters are now locked except for the provisions listed above. I had totally forgotten about them or I would have posted a reminder last week. I prefer to follow RIFC rules whenever possible but Guru stated that he didn't mind if the qualifier leagues used a different system. what do you guys think? I'd like to see if there's a concensus on this. we could do one of the following: A - follow the letter of the law. rosters are now officially locked except for IDP, K, TE injury replacements B - playoff teams have this week to finalize their rosters according to the rules above C - we scrap the transaction restrictions and allow normal claims, waivers, and FA's (playoff teams only) 242 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 08:04 CMIIW, but isn't aol a free for all for players once the playoffs start by default? I sort of remember that from a league I did last year. The only thing I'd worry about is somebody good gets benched and you'd need a backup. i.e. edge/manning/sa/etc. 243 Toral       ID: 541029611       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 08:44 I'm not in so my opinion is pretty well irrelevant. I would just note that I made it a point to know the rules, asking in the RIFC thread, and made transactions last week -- my (sob) last week -- on the assumption that the RIFC rules were good. Maybe somebody else did the same? Toral 244 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:33 I'd vote B. Let everybody get their handcuffs in order and then go at it from there. 245 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:37 i vote for C...the potential benching of studs that got you to the playoffs in the first place has the potential to wreck havoc with an otherwise good team. a benching such as that should be treated no differently than an injury, and you should be able to replace that guy. 246 beastiemiked       Sustainer       ID: 03531815       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:41 I vote for b 247 Toral       ID: 541029611       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:56 You slackers ;) That's why I asked on the RIFC board what was the last day to pick up players. I wouldn't have picked up and held the Packers and then cut them at the last second if I thought one of youse guyz was going to be able to pick them up ;) Fun league. Wish I could have done better. I could blame it on injuries to Bulger but compared to other teams I had no major injuries. I just picked bad. Toral 248 MikeV       SuperDude       ID: 25924115       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 10:26 A 249 fugazi       ID: 311013220       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 13:24 B 250 mjd       ID: 311152217       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 13:35 I'm not in the playoffs, but I'd vote B 251 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 16:40 if I am reading this right I believe I have the 8th seed, and a rematch with Culdeus. Great :) I vote for B 252 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 16:43 Even though i forgot about those rules... i would vote A... we follow the rules... It pretty means i'm stuck with my 1 QB... and pray he doent get injured... but heck those are the rules we agreed on to start with... 253 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 18:49 btw... i thought it was funny to see the 2 teams that had the most point against to finnish in top3... i say that because it certainly killed me to see everyone put on their best effort week after week to beat me... damn... i never said anything against your team like Culdeus! :) 255 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 19:53 Sangre De Toro Culdeus2 B Dilligads Mikevivian972 A Hubble's McHubbled A TB TBRaiders - no vote yet Bmd beastiemikd B ADAMS COLLEGE zombiefullback B SuperNovas wiggs1766 B CM Punks You Out Treesham01 C there's no majority yet. unless TB comes on and votes B sometime soon, we will stick with A. 256 Tree       ID: 25117619       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 20:08 alright - then i change my vote to B. make things easier? 257 holt       ID: 311013220       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 20:12 yep - that's a majority. so here's how we'll do it. playoff teams can make roster moves until games are locked this week. after that we implement the the official RIFC playoff transaction rules. personally I prefer C but I'm not in the playoffs anyway. 258 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 23:47 I see we are going with B, but am cool with any way we do it. I would prefer A then C and then B, but I shared enough of my opinion in the other thread. 259 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 14:49 really not thinking I stand a chance in hell this week. I just read Ray Lewis is out for the rest of the year Kerry Collins has been benched LT is banged up with bad ribs 260 mjd       ID: 311152217       Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 18:35 Question from a toilet bowler here Can I replace an IDP listed as questionable this week. If yes, must I trade him for the guy he's replacing or can I swap out his replacement for any player on my roster. Yeah, my team sucks and all that. I just want to field the best team possible so as to offer some competition for my opponent. 262 holt       ID: 311013220       Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 21:09 mjd - go ahead and replace that one player, but under the following conditions: - don't release any IDP, K, or TE that would possibly be of any interest to playoff teams in future weeks (any qb, rb, wr, or def you release is fine since they can't be picked by anyone now). - don't pick up any player that is top 10 points or average at his position. as long as he is a marginal player of no interest to anyone then I don't think anyone will care. 263 mjd       ID: 311152217       Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 23:13 Thanks. I can do that. I'm picking up Houston LB, DeShon Polk. He should feel right at home on my team. I'll release a RB or WR. If there's any problem with him, I'll pick someone else. 264 culdeus       ID: 516121713       Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 19:12 Good year wiggs. See you around! TB with 177 will shake up the rifcxlc standings nice job! I think we'll see eachother next week? 265 Tree       ID: 91144116       Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 20:15 gonna go down to the wire in my game. i'm down by 20.48, with Driver, Kennedy, and Atlanta still to play. if they hit their averages, i'll eek this out. it could very well come down to Monday's game... 266 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 23:17 I think so too Culdeus, unless Tree can pull out the win. Then I would have to face Hubble. Not sure either choice is preferable. Wish I could carry forward some of these points to next week. 267 Hubble       ID: 311151129       Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:03 hum... 187 pts... i'm not sure either who i'd like to face next week... it's funny to see that top 4 seeds will probably make it to next round.... if i rememeber correctly from our last year league, top seeded teams lost their playoff games. I don't recall if we changed the F/A system, but it might have prevented F/A to have major impact like last year. But then again, i don't know it might just have been luck. I thought for a while that no F/A were really worthy of mention. But then i realize that yesterday, some undrafted dude did awesome. Gado, Moats and maybe some other i forget. Turns out they didnt make the difference. Any thoughts? Are the F/A rules different from last year? What was the result in ur respecting qualifying leagues? 268 TB       ID: 1286814       Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 13:44 I don't think it had an impact on this year or last years results. Most players picked up, even last year, were available to be picked up by every team prior to that player making an impact. Due to injury replacements, probably Goings was the exception last year (at least in the RIFC) and Gado this year. I did a detailed breakdown on RIFC free agency pick-ups last year and posted it in one of the threads. 269 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 18:40 Yeah, for all the hype it's a non-event. This scoring system and setup sort of kills the edge. FBGs tipped Gado a week before he was picked up here and I probably should have got him to snipe somebody here, but the Gado owner is now out so it didn't matter. Though I would really like to see a blind bidding system implemented for rifc next year it's a pretty conservative group and they won't go for it. 270 holt       ID: 141118125       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 03:36 barring any scoring up dates (mike v. and tree's game is very close) this is what the matchups will be this weekend: culdeus vs. TB mike v. vs. hubble toilet bowl combatants: toral vs. THK holt vs. cEHp 271 Tree       ID: 11138135       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 06:45 can i get a check on the scoring for Atlanta's team Defense? i'm coming up with 12.84 to AOL's 10 even, and that would make all the difference. i've got atlanta having, according to NFL.com: 2 fumble recoveries (although one was Hall recovering his own, so techincally only 1) - 2 pts 3 sacks - 3 pts 17 pts allowed - 1 pt 101 ko return yards - 4.04 pts 28 punt return yards - 2.8 pts that's 12.84. forgive me for nitpicking. i had one fumble recovery taken away on a reversal, and an interception for a touchdown taken away on a penalty. either one would have one for me... 272 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 07:40 You don't get any points for kr/pr. 273 Tree       ID: 11138135       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 07:54 we don't? why does our league scoring system show that we do when i look at the rules? is the posted scoring system just something put up by AOL that doesn't apply to our league? 274 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 08:04 Nope. Not for D/ST. Looks like when they go thru you'll lose 2 more points for the FR that wasn't. Sorry...your luck hasn't been so good this week. 275 wiggs       Donor       ID: 04991311       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 08:05 i am pretty sure we do get points for return yards, but maybe it is only for individual players. 276 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 13:17 i'm still perplexed. so is the posted scoring system inaccurate? either way, it was a hard fought battle, and a danged roughing the passing penalty apparently has ended my season for me. 277 holt       ID: 141118125       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 19:22 tree I'll double-check the official scoring for ya. team defenses don't get points for return yards though. 278 Toral       ID: 541029611       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 20:31 Return yards for individual players (viz., my DB, Pacman Jones). I think we went through this pre-season when some managers were scoffing at others for ignoring DB/returners. Which I did. Toral 279 culdeus       ID: 151155423       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 20:41 I ignored them too. Terrence McGee is the only one I can see that was worth anything and he was drafted WAY early vs. his end spot anyway. 280 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:06 he was injured... he had 11 pts/game average going to week 8... for fun... can u tell me who ur 8th rounder was? Lee Suggs? What is your 7th? Deon Branch? Come on... Just admit that McGee is a good pick... I will take a constant 11 pts/week over a guy who post 20 and then 0... especially from a IDP. Certainly no regret there... 281 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:07 beside... its not the early part that is dunny... its the " WAY " early one... 282 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 23:07 dunny = funny lol 283 holt       ID: 141118125       Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 19:36 tree - I checked every player on your team. their points are all accurate. I'll check mike v's too but I'd be surprised to find anything. 284 holt       ID: 141118125       Wed, Dec 14, 2005, 19:49 all of mike v's points are accurate too. 285 holt       ID: 141118125       Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 08:57 DB Darent Williams is out, so following toilet bowl guidelines in post #262 I replaced him with crappy DB Dunta Robinson (Hou). 286 culdeus       ID: 431150179       Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 10:50 Didn't I draft that spare? :bag: glta. I've again got a tough call with Vick v. Brees. I guess Vick is ok so I'll roll with him again. 287 TB       Sherpa       ID: 031811922       Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 21:48 I just dumped DL Mathis (doubtful) for DL Smith. It probably won't help if Jordan performs tomorrow like Johnson did today. I thought Westbrook and Davis were going to be a great playoff combo for me... 288 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 12:18 hum... glad to see i didnt pay attention the dates... NE played yesterday! Now i have to decide if i want S. Alexander to go crazy... or TEN DEF to shout them out... hum... i got a bad feeling about this week... 289 culdeus       ID: 431150179       Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 14:51 Tight games, but it looks like right now a 1-2 matchup for the championship is very likely. 290 holt       ID: 1411161718       Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 19:52 yep - looks like we'll only advance 2 from this league. culdeus vs mike v. for our league championship. 291 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 23:11 i benched an easy 45 pts today :(... 292 wiggs       ID: 271125209       Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 10:28 I just had a question to the commish, Was this a free, or pay site? I really enjoyed using AOL and would like to use it in another league I play in. 293 holt       ID: 1411161718       Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 17:46 it's free. hope it stays that way. I liked it too. free live scoring is awesome! 294 TB       ID: 37373017       Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 18:10 I'm guessing that they were free this year while they worked out the bugs and to get people to play, but that it will be a pay site next year. 295 culdeus       ID: 2311202320       Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 19:10 Barring some huge game from Deion Branch this one is all but over. I knew I was in trouble when it was for sure Jordan was out. It's been a good year. GLTA 296 Hubble       ID: 0992417       Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 02:11 If i hadnt bench those point last week :(... i had 140 pts this week... that would have been enought to give me the win... Congrats to Dilligad for a dominating year! 297 holt       ID: 1411161718       Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 04:32 yeah - congrats Mike V. nice playing with all you guys. I may have to dig into my wallet and become a guru donor if I want avoid being dumped to AA next year, you bastards. :D 298 holt       ID: 1411161718       Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 04:53 Mike V's (16-10) road to victory: Playoffs week 14 vs.Tree(12-14) 113.56 - 111.28 week 15 vs. Hubble(16-10) 142.74 - 117.94 week 16 vs. Culdeus(17-9-0) 135.52 - 115.14 players earning rings: QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA QB Drew Bledsoe, DAL RB Jamal Lewis, BAL RB Mike Anderson, DEN RB Reuben Droughns, CLE WR Randy Moss, OAK WR Steve Smith, CAR WR Santana Moss, WAS WR Brian Finneran, ATL TE Antonio Gates, SD TE Steve Heiden, CLE PK Neil Rackers, ARI PK Rian Lindell, BUF Def Bears, Team Defense, CHI Def Giants, Team Defense, NYG DL Jared Allen, KC DL Montae Reagor, IND LB Danny IV Clark, OAK LB Derrick O. Johnson(r), KC DB Troy Polamalu, PIT DB Lawyer Milloy, BUF 299 culdeus       ID: 431150179       Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 14:04 Not bad considering the first two picks turned out to be total busts. Mid round value took the day here. Smith/SMoss/Gates was a riduculous 3some. 300 Tree       Sustainer       ID: 599393013       Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 15:44 man. looking at his road to the title, i wonder how different things might have been if that called back defensive touchdown in that monday game had been allowed to remain a score - i would have beaten Mike V, and i wonder who might have claimed the title. 301 MikeV       SuperDude       ID: 25924115       Thu, Dec 29, 2005, 00:20 You all should be embarrassed to be beaten by someone who has grandchilden older than some of you. Thanks for the great season. 302 TB       ID: 181162415       Thu, Dec 29, 2005, 12:41 LOL, Mike. 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