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0 Subject: Survivor Week 13

Posted by: RBP
- [49957288] Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 19:27

Real quite, who is getting the boot?
1Shak
      ID: 165532722
      Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 20:39
Mike looks like he's finally out of borrowed time in the JBC.

ECC is still too close to call.
Trash 40 +Brees and Gates
Ed 50 +Hasselbeck and Jordan
STB 51.5 +Akers
2Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 03:38
guess I picked a good week for immunity, 40.5 points is crazy low. Having immunity in ECC sure feels nice though! This is my fifth time with immunity...I think, first time in ECC, gotta get back to work. Big turna round from last year.
Joe
3Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 07:31
I just re-read my earlier post, sounded cocky. Did not mean to. Not getting soft on you guys, just had to clarify my earlier post before someone (ednecks) calls me out. Ed next off the rock!
4Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 14:32
Joe you are one lucky dude. I guess you must be living right. Can Hassellbeck out score a kicker? If not then I deserve to be gone.
Good Luck STB...Don't believe Joe according to JHHH, Joe's ego is the size Of Texas and RBP's put together. You need to learn to be a little more humble like the neck..
5RBP
      ID: 2962315
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 16:36
Hey now, I RESEMBLE that remark......
6RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 17:56
So who has 2 teams left? Trash? STB? Joe?

I wonder how many players on on STB, Trash and Joe's team that they have on both teams. Anybody?
7RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 18:07
Trash has Ronnie Brown x2 and STB and Joe have two totally different rosters, thats impressive IMO.
8RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 00:46
Nice run Timmy D. Too bad you were relying on an Eagle to get you some points tonight. Now pay up :-)
9Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 03:34
That cant be true Ed, I pretended I was modest when JHHH was here. Anyway, i guess it is to late to start wishing the eagles get Reggie Bush?
10RBP
      ID: 2962315
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 04:10
JHHH--GOOG at $417 !!!!!!!!!???????????

Unreal.
11Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 07:30
whats that RBP?
12Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 07:40
I think the injury bug is starting to catch up with my team. Little worried about JBC if Bulger does not play and Rackers is still out. I just cant believe how bad Curtis Martin has been for me, 117 total points for the year...thats stupid low....I guess the same can be said for anyone that has any NY JETS.
"humble like the neck"...giggle giggle he he, thats funny!
13Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:40
I hear you on Eagle players ruining seasons, that whole organization is falling apart this year, McNabb, Owens, Westbrook, Other WR's suck, If anyone signs Owens they need there head inspected. Plus as a Organization how can you let one player (Owens) be almost 1/2 your Offense and then get mad because he said a few neagtive things about the team/McNabb, half the things he said were true, but shouldn't have been said. Piss poor on both sides and who has to suffer the Fans and Fantasy players, Believe me if McNabb would have made those comments nothing would have been done. The Eagles have always been me first and players/fans second so I shouldn't be surprized on how they handled the situation...I'm not condonning Owens actions but How sad is it when one player can bring a organization to it's knees...Nobody should be a Eagles fan, they have always sucked and the Fans have always been poor from that city!!
14JHHH
      ID: 2204499
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 13:36
What cracks me up is everyone who says "at least Owens got the Eagles to the Superbowl last year." I've seen and heard that alot. How short are memories nowadays? Owens didn't play during the playoffs until the Superbowl. He did play great during the Superbowl, but he didn't get the Eagles to the Superbowl.
15Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 14:25
Ed, are you a TO apologist? You contradicted yourself pretty good there by laying most of the blame at the feet of the Eagles, but then also saying that any organization that picks him up needs to have their head inspected. Which is it? Is TO a cancer or were the Eagles intolerant of a few harmless remarks? You can't play both sides of the fence at the same time.

All signs point to Jerry Jones making a run at TO. If they sign him to a one-year contract and he leads them to a Super Bowl, wouldn't that be worth it? I seem to remember Dallas doing that with Deion and, to a lesser extent, Charles Haley.
16Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 18:07
Your right TO is a cancer, but most NFL players talk a lot of trash which really doesn't help the team out. The Eagles knew what TO was like and why let him ruin the season for you, fine the guy a serious amount of money play the season and then let him play somewhere else next year. I just think it was handled poorly by the Eagles. Moss was a Cancer, but he looks to have changed his attitude, can TO do the same?

I'm just pissed about it from a fantasy perpective, I could less about the eagles or Owens in the real world. But point taken, I was being selfish and just wanted my Fantasy players to keep on scoring and this whole TO thing is killing me in a few leagues.

TO is what he is, a loud mouth with a big Ego, he's not the only player to bad mouth a organization or teammates...happens all the time, You either put up with it or send him packing. Minnesota got rid of Moss, TB was tired of Key Johnson, the media just loves when TO is a bad boy...I just think it was blown out of proportion by the eagles. If your not sure about it you ride the fence and I guess that is what I'm doing...TO is hard to figure...I just like what he does on the field, I also Liked D. Boston but he's a clown too!!!

17Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 18:18
Before Shak calls me out again, I said in the above post that most NFL players talk trash about their teams, when it should have said there are players on all NFL teams that make remarks about the team/QB/ coach/ Cheerleaders/hotdog vendors/parking attendents.....etc
18RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 23:38
Why did you have to bring Boston into a discussion about TO? Refresh my memory because I'm sure if he did anything close to the stunts TO has pulled. At tOSU Boston was a beast. Now he's more worried about being a body builder than a football player.
19RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 23:42
Boston

and

Are those ABS??????
20TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 23:44
Looks like he swallowed a softball glove.
21Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 03:54
I don’t agree with all of you guys. Everyone B!tches saying the eagles are cheap….well they are, but it has been working until this year. I’m not apologizing for the organization but from my perspective there are reasons for our season and it is not all T.O., I would not give him that much credit. This season was doomed from the start. We let burgess go to Oakland, people said we were cheap, but he was never healthy and had one good game in the NFC championship, he was not worth the money offered by Oakland. His replacement, number one pick from Miami, McDougal, was shot and out for the season. Douglas also hurt and out for season, so he was promoted to T.O. fighter. J.R. Reed pissed off a fence that decide to retaliate and go through his leg. Who gets impaled by a fence? Eagles, that’s right. May say I’m stretching talking about reed, but he could play so shhhh! Our entire O-line has been recreated since the first game of the season. We lost Simon…now I agree, that was the stubborn eagles fault entirely! But again, it worked in the past for us, Trotter, Douglas…both came crawling back. Pinkston and our Buckhalter have been out for the season, and lets not forget the cheap hit (that was never called) in game one verse Atlanta that ended McNabbs season two months later. The tone of our season was set after Trotters phantom “punch” in his altercation against the Falcons.
Now lets get to the point to why I wrote this.
“I'm not condoning Owens actions but How sad is it when one player can bring a organization to it's knees...Nobody should be a Eagles fan, they have always sucked and the Fans have always been poor from that city!!”
love,
ednecks
First, T.O. was just one part of the puzzle for us, one small problem, he just got a lot of airtime to give fans opposed to the eagles something to talk about. Yes T.O. was good, and no the Eagles did not overreact by sitting him. In a “real job”, you make rude comments about the guy who cuts your check to a co-worker you get fired, let alone say it to the media.

Just to let you know the eagle’s always-sucked comment was just stupid, especially when citing we have more wins over the last four years then any team except the “dynasty” patriots going into this season. And thanks for stating I grew up poor!
That’s your perspective necks, but that’s also the perspective of someone that gets all their Philly news from skip bayless and sports center. Then again you don’t care about Philly sports and that’s ok, so you don’t know everything your typing and that’s understandable, plus I smell alcohol coming from your text. So don’t take it personal, necks, you just have to expect to get a response when you make comments like those above.

Please compare our injury list to any other team in the NFL, to include the “injury ridden” Patriots. (Westbrook out for season is not included)


INJURED RESERVE
Buckhalter, Correll RB 6-037 Considine, Sean S 6-0 63 Fraley, Hank 6-2 300 6 Grasmanis , Paul DT 6- Jenkins, Justin WR 6-0
Johnson, Dirk P 6-0 205 3 McNabb, Donovan QB 6-
Pinkston, Todd WR 26 Sheppard, Lito CB
Short, Jason LB 6-4 254 2
Thomas, Tra T 6-7 349 8

PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM

McDougle, Jerome DE 6-2Beach,
Reed, J.R. S 5-11 202 2
Richmond, Greg LB 6-1 235 1
Tapeh, Thomas FB 6-1 243 2

Gotta Go
22Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 08:03
"Why did you have to bring Boston into a discussion about TO? Refresh my memory because I'm sure if he did anything close to the stunts TO has pulled."
Not sure what that mean RBP? But I can say one good thing about T.O. that you cant say about Boston. T.O. has never used steroids a.k.a. cheating nor has ever gotten in any criminal trouble. Gotta pee, bye
23Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 08:05
I did not write that to stick up for T.O. either. I dislike him more then any other player playing right now in football. And it is not because of him "ruining the season" as some say, its because of what he could have done for us, the possibilties WERE endless.
24Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 09:23
Joe, very nice posts and I have to agree with you -- the Eagles were doomed this season with or without TO. Earlier in the season, I had wondered why McNabb didn't opt for surgery early with the hope of returning for the home stretch and hopefully the playoffs. I guess we now know it's because McMahon and Detmer can't carry Donovan's jock strap and the Eagles don't have a prayer without Donovan.

It may now be time to acknowledge that Shannon Sharpe was correct when he said the Eagles wouldn't win very many more games a month ago.
25Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 09:30
Scotty, I think you're going to lose our Rose Bowl bet as the Trojans (from the Wac10) are 7 point favorites over the Longhorns (from the Big 1 Little 11). To show you that I am a sport, I'll let you win your money back. I'll take the underdog Irish vs. your Buckeyes. We on?
26Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 09:40
Passion for your team, I can't say anything negative about that Joe. Some of my statements about Philly was just a poke at you, but I've never cared for them much.

RBP, Boston's a clown, TO's a Clown, Shak's a Clown.he he...you getting the picture these guys shoot themselves in the foot eventually with their huge Ego's....

I'll apologize to Joe I probably over stepped with the Philly fans.organization remarks, I guess I can feel with TO a Little about people getting huffy over a few words...Hey, I love to now!!!!!

Peace...I'd fine Shak for kissing Arse, but he's sucking in last place in most of the leagues I play with him....loser!! I havn't had a drink in two-years..
27Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 10:36
No apology needed, I figured you were trying to provoke me. I think I took out some frustration due to the fact that every international here in Kosovo began to watch the eagles this year and talk crap on me for our play...or record. A greek guys just talked crap to me as I was writing this. Just waiting for next season....
28Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 10:55
no moulds, no westbrook, ......could be a tough week for JHHH in JB
29Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 10:55
A T.O. moulds trade...hmmm that sounds good to me.
30Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 11:35
Players left to hate (or cheer for) in JBC (including injured players)
QB:
Joefut Bulger
STB Carr
Trash Griese
Trash McNair
LR K. Collins
LR Boller
JHHH Brooks
JHHH Dilfer

RB
Joefut L.Tomlinson
Joefut Staley
STB Alexander
STB Droughns
STB Gore
STB M. Morris
Trash Holmes
Trash W. Dunn
Trash Ronnie Brown
LR MaGahee
LR Chris Brown
JHHH Westbrook
JHHH S. Jackson
JHHH Rick Williams

WR
Joefut A. Johnson
Joefut Driver
Joefut Curtis
Joefut Engram
Joefut Mike Williams
STB Chambers
Trash Fitzgerald
Trash Calico
Trash Givens
Trash Mason
LR T. Owens
LR Coles
LR Galloway
LR McCardell
JHHH J. Porter
JHHH S. Smith
JHHH Moulds

TE
Joefut Shockey
STB Gonzalez
STB Gates
STB L.J. Smith
LR Heiden
JHHH E. Johnson

K
Joefut Rackers
STB Wilkins
Trash Kaeding
LR Kasay
JHHH K. Brown


31Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 12:03
Ed, Ed, Ed,

If this season has taught me anything, it's humility. Fortunately, my come from ahead defeat in the standings of our LMSCL has resulted in my winning the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. Now I face the same dilemna the Texans will be facing -- keep the pick or trade it.

As for Survivor, it is a crap shoot, but it's still my fave format and I look forward to getting some redemption next year.

FYI, I am in the playoffs in the other three money leagues I'm in, so this season hasn't been a total wash.
32Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 12:09
My personal rankings for the teams left for this week in JBC. 1st being the best (mostly due to injuries)…not drafting ability, unless it bothers you, then I am picking on your drafting.

1. STB: solid RB, TE’s are a wet dream, good kicker on a team that USUALLY puts up numbers, QB…Racker has numbers close to Carr, that’s not good. Number one due to Immunity, and maybe the best team with only real shortcoming at QB

2. Joe: I have LT, Bulger should be back, decent WR’s, walker injury blessed Drivers year…kind of, Johnson came back from injury just in time to help me against the big boys, and a kicker that when healthy gets me lots of points.

3. Trash: you have a QB, RB by committee led by Vick is hurting Dunns numbers, a lot of number one WR’s on below average teams.

4. LR: May have to rely on Boller as QB…ouch, original solid WR core weakened by T.O. being Manny, I mean T.O., Good RB

5. JHHH: no Westbrook, possibly no moulds, no dilfer, no Johnson. I don’t think Brooks, Smith, and Jackson will be enough to carry you past this week.

If I were a betting man, I would bet everything Mario owns on not hearing from JHHH till next season!
33Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 12:13
Joe,
I think you can safely scratch the following players off your list:

Griese
Collins
Westbrook
TO
Moulds
E Johnson

34Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 12:40
That is a pretty sorry list of QBs. The most valuable of those could be David Carr. That's bad!

The most feared fantasy player down the stretch? Has to be LJ. That guy is money and will be a top 3 pick next year regardless of Holmes.
35Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 12:58
Shak, hard to give Bush away when the experts are saying he's the next Gale Sayers.

Shak, just funning with you and RBP, you boys know I'm just trying to get a reaction. We know you boys are on top of the Fantasy world...still I like kicking a man when he's down..

It takes a Edneck to get the juices flowing in most leagues, otherwise you and me would be bored stiff.
36RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 18:29
Jimmy (Shak) The Greek,

"Scotty, I think you're going to lose our Rose Bowl bet as the Trojans (from the Wac10) are 7 point favorites over the Longhorns (from the Big 1 Little 11). To show you that I am a sport, I'll let you win your money back. I'll take the underdog Irish vs. your Buckeyes. We on?"

Absolutely, I would love the opportunity to "double dip" the Shak Daddy!

I'm going to toss in predictions just for the fun of it. They are my opinions and if you feel the need to bash go for it (but you must post your prediction too).

UT 45
University of Spoiled Children 35

tOSU 35
Neutered Dame 21
37RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 18:45
Made the playoffs in all three of my regular pay leagues but it wasn't by the comfortable amount that I'm used too. The funny thing is that my WORST team won the division and my better teams barely qualified. Need a big week from LT in all formats, maybe 125 yards rush, 5 catches for 45 more and 2 TD's will do the trick nicely.
38Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 22:06
I play in two leagues and finished 11-2 in both with the #1 seed. Both of those teams are capable of winning it all, was a better team with McNabb, which hurts big time, since I only have Losman as a backup. The other league I have James, Chad J, Hassellbeck and Crumpler not a bad team, but very lucky to be 11-2. All you can do is get the #1 seed and hope things go your way...My history is not that good in the playoffs.

UT 36
USC 30
Texas defense most likely the difference, I think Leinhart has to win this game, not Bush, If I'm Texas I load up the "D" line and dare them to pass.

OSU 21
ND 24

Just a feeling, but It could go either way. Defense's win games, so OSU is more then capable of shutting down the Irish.
39RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 22:34
My record in the playoffs is outstanding but that is as a division winner. The wildcard round is something "I've heard of" but never actually particpated in. :-)

UT will beat Leinhart to a pulp IMO. Not real mobile and UT is by far the best defense they will face this year. I really wish that USC played in a better conference, it's not their fault but if they win the RB they will be widely regarded as the greatest team ever and they only play a few good teams a season. Question to the forum, if USC played in the Big 10/11 or the $EC do you think they would be undefeated in back to back season with 33+ staright wins?

They are loaded on offense no doubt, loaded like no other team in history over the last few years I cannot deny that. I want to see how Matty Boy holds up after he gets ass planted a few times. Time will tell.
40RBP
      ID: 2962315
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 07:00
Going skiing, see you in 72 hours. SLM
41Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 09:33
RBP, My dog is bigger then your's and my Dad can beat your dad up in a fight :-). I think the pimp is losing his touch, I've seen nothing but a decline in your performance over the last few years, If I was the coach I would have no other option, but to send you down to the minor's for some seasoning and atitude adjustment....

42Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 09:40
I mean "attitude"....RPB all the leagues I play with you you are subserviant to the Edneck, but that is the case with 90 percent of all the teams, so it's tough to match up to BigEd's standards....Why do I get the feeling I'll hear from the Tribe and Trash very soon? Maybe Joe!!
43Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 09:50
I'm going to leave JHHH, Trash, Tribe, Joe and STB in the Edneck's class and religate Shak, RBP to a much lower division on the recent results that I know about...Yeah Yeah, I don't believe you've winning in all your other leagues, that's a SuperClyde trick.
44Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 10:01
RBP & Shak I've heard the excuses, (Q)Why didn't you catch the ball, (A)There was a hair in my eye. (Q) Why did you start this guy over that Guy, (A) I couldn;t make it back in time to change my lineup, or I did start him and the site screwed it up. (Q) Why are you 4-10? (A) I've had class and work is limiting my free time to make the right choices...I was PCS,ing, my dog ate my crib sheet.
(Q) why is the Edneck dominating me? (A) Pure Talent baby!!!!
45Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 10:03
"The Truth Shall Set You Free"
46Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 12:10
As far as the conferences go, the Pac 10 is clearly better than the Big 12 and I would venture to say that it's better than the SEC and at worst, it's the equivalent of the Big 10. Everyone thinks the SEC is good because they play defense. SEC teams played the Pac10 twice and gave up huge points both times. Once was an overmatched Arkansas team vs. USC, but the other was a very good LSU team vs. a middle of the pack ASU. I think the SEC just doesn't have very good offenses. A look at the schedules:

USC stomped Arkansas (SEC)
UCLA cracked Oklahoma (Big 12)
Cal beat Illinois (Big 10)
ASU beat Northwestern (Big 10)
ASU lost to LSU (SEC) but dropped 31 on a good defensive team
Arizona lost to Purdue (Big 10)

Pac 10 -- 3 Big 10 -- 1
Pac 10 -- 1 Big 12 -- 0
Pac 10 -- 1 SEC -- 1
47Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 12:12
With four weeks to prepare, I think coaching will be huge. Can you imagine how big of a favorite Bill Belichek would be if he had four weeks to prepare for the Super Bowl? With that in mind, I have no problem taking Pete Carroll over Mack Brown and Charlie Weis over Jim Tressel. Coaching mismatches IMO.

Scotty, you should be careful about betting with your heart!
48Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 14:33
Sure a few teams are better in the PAC conference, but I don't think I agreed with one single word you said..not being funny, but It's just a different brand of football being played in the SEC and Big10. I do think the SEC had a very weak season, but If you look back over the last 10 years you can't really think the PAC is better then the Big10 or SEC. I agree that each Conference plays a different brand of football, but it's all in the flavor, some people like Vanilla and some people like Chocolate...
49Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 15:27
I don't know why you thought I was talking about the last ten years. I'm talking just about this year. You must have that East Coast bias. I also didn't say the Pac10 is better than the Big10. I said they are comparable (equivalent) this year. I'll expand that and say they are comparable year in and year out. If you are going to disagree, try to come up with something more concrete than "look back over the last 10 years." I'll look back if you want, but what exactly am I looking for?

I anxiously await how you plan on explaining that the Big 12 and SEC are better than the Pac 10 this year.
50Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 17:02
You Anxiously await?

Let's see off the top of my head, Teams ranked in the AP Top 25. Pac10--USC, Oregon, UCLA, SEC--Georiga,Florida,LSU, Alabama,Auburn, (S. Carolina #27. Now I'll agree with it's the closest it's ever been in a long time and the SEC was weak with a very weak Tenn team. SO your bacically telling me, with the addition of Cal,ARZ teams, Stanford and the rest are a overall better conference then the SEC this year. Yeah USC is a great team and UCLA is a pretty good team, but the AP/coaches poll, BCS poll all reconize more teams from the SEC then PAC, that has to say something. I may be wrong, but I really dont care one way or the other, it's apples and oranges..I sit in anticipation with your reply, but somehow I think it will end in the same result as your Survivor season..not well!!!
51Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 20:19
Shak you've finished behind me in every league I've played with you, admit defeat and Say Ed, just knows more about Baseball and Football then I do!!!! RBP has already done that and gone skiing to ease the pain...now go have some milk and cookies and get a good nights rest.
52JHHH
      ID: 33647188
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 03:15
I'm publishing my prediction: Texas 42, USC 17
53Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:02
JON, You actually think USC with that high-powered "O" will only score 17 points. I have to agree with Shak that Carroll is a better coach then Mack Brown. Now The talent is there on the Texas Defense, but I would think 25+ is more on the order, but you know Texas better then I do, so maybe Mack has a secret weapon. Hot Texas Cheerleader action the night before the game to drain the USC players strength. Whoops that's a Jon Holmes Trick, wrong ballgame!!
54JHHH
      ID: 33647188
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:20
I just think USC high powered "O" is going to takes some hits that they haven't experienced yet this year.
55Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:37
Jon, are you sayng the PAC is a weak Conference and nobody can play defense?
56Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:43
Jon are you saying the PAC is a much weaker Conference then the SEC & Big 12 this year?
57Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:44
Jon are you saying BigEd knows more about sports then Shak Daddy?
58Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:47
Jon do you really think RBP is really going Skiing or hunting for his favorite saying down at the local Whorehouse "Me love you long time G.I."?
59Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:48
Jon do you really think Shak had milk and Cookies and a good nights sleep?
60Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:51
Jon, is Joe really that lucky or is there some skill invovled?
61Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 06:52
Hey Jon, it sure is nice to still have a team left in the Survivor, you know anyone who lost both teams?
62JHHH
      ID: 33647188
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 07:31
1) I'm saying nobody plays defense like Texas.

2) It's impossible to compare conferences.

3) Yes.

4) Big Daddy on skis? I'd like to see that!

5) I'm sure he slept good, but I don't know if milk and cookies were involved.

6) Joe told me once..."luck favors the prepared mind." Or was that Tim Hodge?

7) I'm about to lose both teams...No Dilfer, Westbrook, Moulds, or Eric Johnson...but it sure was fun while it lasted.
63Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 09:11
Politically correct as always, your answer to #3 has made my day. Jon Hobdy you are now officially off the "Hot Seat".
64Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 11:29
Ed,
Nice try, but not only is the SEC weak this year, they are boring! I think I'd rather watch paint dry then watch an SEC game. Maybe you haven't noticed they have more teams in the SEC, which would account for having more teams in the top 25. They have a handful of decent teams, but no elite team. Have they had an impressive win outside of the conference? I can't think of one. Not impressed with Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Alabama. Alabama's win streak was such a joke. Can't believe they were talking Rose Bowl.

Furthermore, with the quality of coaches in the Pac 10 -- Carroll, Willingham, Tedford, Stoops, etc. -- you will only see them get stronger.

JHHH, USC will hang 17 on Texas before the 1st quarter is over. Texas has a nice defense, but we're talking about arguably the greatest offensive team in NCAA history. If we were talking about the greatest defensive team in NCAA history, I might agree with you.

Ed, please make a case for the Big 12 being a strong conference, I need a good laugh today.
65Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 11:31
Ed,
Never let truth get in the way of your slander -- I do believe you were in my rearview mirror in last year's Survivor league.
66Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 11:56
Shak, Like JHHH said it's tough to say who is the better conference on a yearly basis. I can say over the last 20 years the PAC can't hold the SEC's jockstrap. Just like in five years, people will say Shak can't hold BigEd's jockstrap!!

Now, we know I may extort the truth for comedic purposes, but I never stray far from the truth.

Just playing around....you keep standing up for your beliefs and finishing near the bottom...I'll keep following the Edneck formula and consistenly keep winning!!
67Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 12:12
Shak, I've had my ups and downs and would never brag about how great I am and mean any of it. I've had a few really good last two years. Now RBP is a different story, he acually believes he is the greatest Fantasy Players this world has ever produced. I've played in a league for eight straight years and never won it, I've come close a number of time and it's a re-draft every year, so I'm only kidding about be being better then anyone except Joe!!
68Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 12:21
Now I can't wait for the 4th JAN. This USC/UT game is going to be huge.
69Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 12:25
Ed, keep it up because you are a really funny guy. Few people can bring a smile to my face like you can. BTW, I think everyone already knows I can't carry your jockstrap.

I'm feeling the Christmas spirit, so for a limited time I will accept anyone else that would like to wager next year's entry fee on Texas.
70TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 21:41
USC 48 UT 24

USC rolls and the UT fans make excuses after the game. I wanted to say 55-19 USC wins, but it just seemed so....last year.

RE post #52-
vs Texas this year
Ohio State-22 Points
Missouri-20 Points
Oklahoma State- 28 Points
Texas A&M- 29 Points

Even Texas Tech and Colorado scored 17 points against them in the regular season. Texas hasn't faced an offense like this all season AND even though USC doesn't have a "great" defense, it will be one of the better ones Texas has had to play all year.

I have lots I want to add on the Eastcoast bias/ignorance of the Pac 10,but it will have to wait until later. Gotta go.
71Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 22:16
Oh great, another liberal West coast gruppie!! TB, I don't have anything against the PAC-5 I enjoy watching them play and grew up watching the SEC teams play every week, so of course I love that conference, I just love the game played well, I'll sit down and watch both type of teams/style's play, Shak's comment of watching a SEC team play is like watching paint dry was stupid and not accurate.

I just want a great Rosebowl game played, this type of game with two high-powered "O's" and the talent displayed doesn't come along very often, so I hope it lives up to the hype!!
72Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 22:26
PAC-5, now that's comedy!!
73TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 00:00
West coast? Yes Liberal? Never ...lol

I admit a Pac 10 bias, but I also admit the SEC has been the best football conference for years. They rarely have the best team in the nation, but they always have 3-4 very good teams along with a couple more good teams.

This was the first year I really looked at the SEC's out-of-conference schedule and I wasn't impressed. Toss in bad SEC teams like Vandy, Kentucky, Miss, Miss St, Arkansas, and even Tennessee and you see where lots of wins were racked up by teams with winning records in that conference. South Carolina beat Florida. Their other 6 wins came against bad teams. Florida beat Georgia, their other 7 wins came against bad teams (yeah, wasn't impressed with FSU this year). Alabama beat Florida, but no other "good" teams. Auburn beat Alabama and Georgia and even Georgia only beat a good LSU team. LSU beat Auburn, Alabama, and Florida.

Now that I am typing this, I just gotta add it all up. Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, and South Carolina. The 6 of 12 teams in the SEC with winning records. Lets see who they beat:
Arkansas x5 (5 wins)
Mississippi State x5
Tennessee x4
Vanderbilt x4
Kentucky x4
Mississippi x3
Appalachian State x1
Arizona State x1
Ball State x1
Boise State x1
Central Florida x1
Florida State x1
Georgia Tech x1
Louisiana Monroe x1
Louisiana Tech x1
Middle Tennessee State x1
North Texas x1
Southern Miss x1
Troy x1
Utah State x1
Western Kentucky x1
Wyoming x1

Their only three losses not against each other:
Clemson x1
Georgia Tech x1
Tennessee x1


Now that I have digested that data a bit, I have to wonder if the SEC is really as great a conference as I always think they are or do they just looked so good with all those teams that only have 2 or 3 losses. Obviously, they are a good conference, but with only 5 major conferences (SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10 and Big 12...not adding Big East anymore), a great conference should be expected to have 5 teams in the top 25. Especially when you look at each conference.

By conference breakdown in recent history:
SEC- Georgia, Florida, LSU, Auburn, and we will say Alabama and Tennessee are expected to be good teams. South Carolina is up and down, but should see more up-years near term. Arkansas, Miss and Miss St have maybe had some good seasons, but for the most part can be lumped with Vandy and Kentucky in the bad team pile.
ACC- Miami, VT, and Florida St. I see BC at 8-3 this year, but seriously, does anyone expect them to be competing for a BCS bid? Georgia Tech and Clemson have some history, but more down years are in the future with the Big East defectors joining that conference. NC State, Maryland, Wake, Duke, NC, and Virginia all have basketball season to look forward too.
Pac 10- USC has been the only consistant team lately. Oregon is on again off again with recent bowl wins against Texas and Colorado. UCLA is a good team this year, but hasn't been very good the last decade. Arizona and Washington used to be very good teams, but both have sucked for a while. I guess it is safe to say that Oregon St, Stanford, Arizona, Wash, and Wash St suck, and that you don't know exactly what you are going to get from UCLA, Cal, AZ St, or Oregon. Maybe that's why everyone is down on the Pac 10. No consistant upper teams.
Big 10- PSU, OSU, Mich, and Wisc are expected to be good every year. Purdue, MSU, Iowa, and even Minny or NW can have flashes of "good". Indy and Illinois are going to suck.
Big 12- I remember the days of the Big 8 with OU and Nebraska being the only good teams and the SWC with the Aggies usually headed to the Cotton over the Longhorns. Right now Texas and OU have had good teams. Colorado is the best of a weak North divsion and even on the years K-state was ranked, I always considered it more due to their weak schedule. TT and OSU have had some great offenses but have been middle of the pack. Kansas, ISU, Mizzou, and Baylor have flat out sucked and for the last 8 years I can't remember A&M being worth a crap.

If you just add up the teams that I listed above, it doesn't even come to 20 teams expected to kick butt every year and that is with me listing 6 for the SEC.

Okay, I am rambling and I know it. I have another history lesson I want to share and it has nothing to do with football. Will post it seperate.
74TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 00:04
Okay, didn't know if I wanted to post this in the politics forum or in a joke thread, but decided to share it with my brothers-in-arms instead. Cracked me up.

Subject: History Lesson 101 (Evolution)

History began some 12,000 years ago. Humans existed as members of small
bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers. They lived off of the deer in the
mountains and forests during the summer, then they would go to the coast
and live on fish and lobster in winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer and the invention of the wheel. Beer was invented first, then the
wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These two inventions were the
foundation of modern civilization. Together they were the catalyst for
the division of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals &
Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered it required grain, and that was the beginning
of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented
yet. So, while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them
to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how
villages were established.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to barbecue at
night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is
known as the Conservative Movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live
off of the conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbecue and beer
bust. During the day they did the sewing, fetching, and hair styling. This was
the beginning of the Liberal Movement. Some of these Liberal men
eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as 'girleymen.'

Some noteworthy Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of voting to
determine how to divide the meat and beer that Conservatives produced.

Over the years Conservatives came to be symbolized by the elephant, the
largest and most powerful land animal on Earth. And of course, Liberals
came to be symbolized by the jackass.

Modern Liberals like imported beer, but most prefer white wine or
imported bottled water. They eat raw fish and don't eat red meat. Sushi,
tofu, granola, and French food are standard Liberal fare. Another
interesting evolutionary side note: most of the Liberal women have
higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal
injury attorneys, journalists, group therapists, and movie stars are
Liberals. And by the way, Liberals invented the designated hitter rule
because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer and eat red meat. They give you a
day's work for a day's pay and don't expect anybody else to take care of
them. Conservatives are big-game hunters, cowboys, lumberjacks, construction
workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate
executives, fighter pilots, athletes, and generally anyone who works
productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives
who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans
are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the Liberals
remained in Europe when Conservatives were coming to America. The
Liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed. The created the concept
of trying to get something for nothing.

Here ends today's history lesson. It should be noted that Liberals will
have an uncontrollable urge to respond angrily to these historical facts
instead of simply laughing at the presentation of the facts.
75Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 00:16
Pass the crack pipe, cuz TB that brought back memories of trying to stay awake in Mrs Tuttles Art Appreciation class in the 10th grade. Great work and your name goes on the blackboard as the best student award during a Survivor campaign.

Man just the work involved in that post deserves a standing ovation!!
76TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 00:19
Truthfully, it is something I have been thinking about for weeks and had already surfed and looked at most of it.

Dude, don't you ever sleep?
77Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 00:44
I have my private reasons for being up, but yeah I get insommina a few times a week and end up watching AFN sports till the early hours of the morning. I'm in bed with my labtop watching a basketball game and surfing...so I can understand that sometimes it seems like I never sleep..
78TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 01:26
I am with you there. I get so bored sometimes on the nights I can't get to sleep. Usually I can find something to watch or a book to read or something online to occupy my time.
79RBP
      ID: 2962315
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 10:33
I just read 40+ posts and I have a headache. Couple quick points before i go to bed.

I think JT is a better college football coach versus Fat Charlie, just MHO.

I still think Texas wins, not betting with my heart, I do agree that it does go against the grain, but thats ok with me.

tOSU will beat ND, mark it down and take it to the bank. I've only been this certain that the Bucks would win a "losable" game once before and that was the MNC game in 2002.

Debating conferences is tough. USC are absolute media darlings right now and rightfully so. I just think the WAC-10 is weak, maybe I'm getting it wrong but that is my PERCEPTION. I don't think that USC wins all these games in a row in the SEC or Big Ten(11).

I went skiing, yes it's true. My Dad said he always wondered what Shrek on ski's would like like, now I know. I had a BLAST! Started in the beginner slope, of course, but ventured onto the red course on my last run last night. Bad idea. I crashed so hard that I was litterally knocked loopy for a minute or so. Ski's all over the place, dropped both poles, hat ripped off of my head, glasses broken in half (Oakleys too), and it gets better. As I'm laying there trying to stay alive, two Korean snow boarders collect my crap and bring it down to me (my stuff was strewn all over the place, this was a Wide World of Sports crash), and the guy speaks English to me. He says something along the lines of "go back to the beginners slope before you kill yourself". This was 24 hours ago and I STILL HAVE A HEADACHE and my neck is getting stiffer by the minute. Beyond that I had a great time, I'm hooked. Bus trip goes to the slopes every weekend for the next two months. I'll be back.

Ed you crack me up. At a few points you have 5-6 posts in a row, thats hard to do. I'll say this, it has become harder and harder as the years have gone by (and the weak owners have been booted) to truly dominate my leagues. It is very possible that I beat up on bad owners, but at the time thats all we had. Through the internet age we can now go out and create what I like to refer to as "Super Leagues". I'd love to get a league together (redraft same scoring as LMSCL) that had the 12 best owners I know in it. Not the 8 best and 3 of my friends but the real cream of the crop, the problem is I'd end up alienating lots of friends and that wouldn't be cool.

A little bit on those lines I thought it would be cool to have a 36 team "Super League" (3 leagues interlinked with 12 teams per league) that somewhat mirrored English football. Would be hard to do but the bottom 4 teams in the top 2 leagues would be relegated to the lower division. The bottom 4 in the bottom league get the boot, at least for a season. The top 4 in each division get promoted to the next league. $50 per the two lower level leagues and the "Premiership" league is $100 a pop. Would take some doing but it could be doable. I don't maybe the idea stinks. I think it would be cool to work your way up through the ranks, but my mind still has some cobwebs from yesterday. OUT!

SLM
80JHHH
      ID: 2204499
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 11:29
For those of you that haven't seen this yet.

Best Christmas lights ever:

The video is here:

http://members.cox.net/transam57/lights.wmv

The story is here:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/arts/xmaslights.asp
81RBP
      ID: 2962315
      Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 23:43
Pretty cool lights. Hey STB picked Mr. Bush to win the Hiesman (sp?) before the season started (I picked Teddy Ginn II) and he was absolutely correct, good call.
82Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 03:32
Scotty only you could pick a OSU player to win the Heisman and he probably didn't even get a vote? Ginn looked like a poor man's Tim Dwight to me! Bush deserved it and he looks to be the #1 selection going into the draft. He looks special and working out with LT everyday before the season must have helped out bigtime.

The light's look great and it's a cool idea, but what pocesses a man to spend 10 thousand dollars on a Christmas display?
83RBP
      ID: 241110115
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 06:15
Ed I wasn't the only one to pick Ginn, he was on all of the preseason hype lists, but those are just hype.

Anybody else have a playoff game this week?
84JHHH
      ID: 2204499
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 10:45
Shak...I will take you up on that UT/USC next year's entry fee offer. If it's still open.

Electronic Handshake...

Cheers, JHHH

85RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 19:09
So glad I drafted Ryan Moats, I knew that kid was a stud. (sacasm font on)
86Shak
      ID: 1911172611
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 20:37
Jon, you got it.
87RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 21:44
Shak you must love getting USC and points (by not giving points you get points with my way of thinking). I'm glad you gave me the Buckeyes even up with the Domers, I like that bet much better.
88Shak
      ID: 165532722
      Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 23:03
JBC
Trash 33.5 +Dunn
JHHH 36.5 +Brooks
LR 59.5

Immunity
STB (again) 129.5

ECC
TB 84 +Brooks and Jenkins
Trash 93.5

Immunity
Mario 111
TB 84 +Brooks and Jenkins
89RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 00:16
So we are down to 4 teams in each league, is that right? And if you survive this week you make it to the final two weeks, is that right JS? Who is the other team in the ECC that is still alive?

Look at STB, I bashed him repeatedly and all he does is draft the best team in either league.
90RBP
      ID: 49957288
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 02:04
Got Balls?

The Welsh never cease to amaze me.
91Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 06:54
Cant believe how high the scores are in ECC, feel bad for the poor guy getting kicked off this week. Immunity has been nice to me this year, I think with no running back help, this may be my last week in ECC, unless williams gets benched. I need Bulger back and some real L.T. numbers. TB nice post, I got that email from my dad a couple of weeks ago, it is still one of my favorites to read, and to show to 'girleymen.' Anyway gotta go. Going home on wed on leave. Hope I will find some time while I am away to talk some smack.
Joe
92Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 09:34
Kind of hard to believe I scored 101 and am barely going to make it through in the ECC. A much tougher league then the JBC. STB will be hard to beat in that one. If we lose the trahman in the ECC this week then it's anyone's game. I'd have to rank the teams in this order in both leagues.

ECC:
Mario
Ednecks
TB (Only because Westbrook is gone)or Trashman if he survives.
Joe

JBC:
STB (Dont see him losing)
Joe
LR
JHHH or Trashman...The trashman could very well be going home in both this week, with a very good team in the ECC!! Go's to show you are never safe in this format.

Good Luck
Trash
93Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:05
The way we determine the champion in the final two weeks is a rule change from last year. Last year, the championship was decided in week 17 -- not an ideal way to decide the best team. This year, the final three teams will battle it out during weeks 16 and 17 -- no immunity. Total score for both weeks. One team will be the champ, one will be in the money, and the third will be an also-ran. The last two weeks will also likely decide the overall 2005 Survivor Champion. Lots of owners still in contention for that honor.
94Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:18
This from Joe earlier in this thread:

guess I picked a good week for immunity, 40.5 points is crazy low. Having immunity in ECC sure feels nice though!

His teams seem to take the week off when they have nothing to play for (Colt's strategy?). Scored 39 this week, which is the low score for the week ... both dead and alive.

95Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:49
It's the union Shak.....cant ask to much from them
96Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:53
Who am I to question -- I've been dead for a month. I think you have a real good shot at overall champ, even though you may last only one more week in the ECC and face Simply The Best Irish in the JBC. Job well done.
97Shak
      ID: 0100210
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 14:06
In a battle between the #1 and #2 teams in the nation, the Texas Longhorns get schwacked by 31 points as the best player in the country lights them up like that house in Ohio. Prediction for the Rose Bowl? No, just recapping Saturday's basketball game between Texas and Duke. A sign of things to come? Me thinks so.
98Shak
      ID: 481029813
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 15:28
Why is no one talking about the way Kris Brown missed a 31-yard field goal that would have sent the Texan/Titan game to overtime? A reliable NFL kicker misses a chip shot field goal by 20 yards to preserve their pole position in the Bush Sweepstakes. If it goes to OT, Houston probably wins based on the way the teams were playing. The Titans only TD came on a punt return. The Texan offensive line was opening up some nice holes for DD. I really think Brown intentionally missed. This really stinks for the Texan players that played their hearts out for the whole game.
99Shak
      ID: 481029813
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 15:30
While I'm at it, did most of you see the KC/Dallas game? Would you believe that a KC sportswriter believes that KC lost because of Larry Johnson and his lack of heart? Very scathing article. LJ's Ole
100JHHH
      ID: 2204499
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 15:49
Wow...thanks for that link. Larry Johnson got called out BIG time. Let's see how responds!
101Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 19:33
Most RB's are not great blockers, I mean how many Offensive lineman blow blocks every game? Saying Johnson lost the game is a little lame. When he's running the ball he looks for someone to run over? Politics in K.C., I guess a scapegoat needs to be found and his heart has been questioned before!!

The Brown miss was so bad, it had to be on purpose, even the announcer said it was the worst attempt he ever saw! Bush, might just be worth that FG miss.
102Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 00:56
I believe the Trashman is gone in both leagues, you forgot about Carney's points for TB in the ECC. I think in the JBC JHHH holds off Trash with Brooks out scoring Dunn 16-11.

ECC--TB 95 Trash 93.5
JBC--JHHH 52.5 Trash 44.5

Not nice to lose so close to the finish, bad luck Trash. Plus to lose scoring 93.5 points is a killer...Joe you should count your lucky stars.
103Ednecks
      ID: 4110311923
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 01:02
Four teams left in both leagues:

JBC-- JHHH, LR, Joe, STB (immunity)
ECC-- Joe, TB, Edneck, Mario (immunity)

Joe the only team left able to win both leagues. Not likely, but he looks like the man getting the breaks.

Favorites:
JBC--STB, I don't see anyone else coming close.
ECC--Mario, you get too the final three you have a shot to win in this one.

Good luck, just glad to have a team still playing...who knows..
104TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 01:05
I had myself at 99.5, but that was just at a glance. Carney 5, Jenkins 4.5, Brooks 16 (-10 because was counting Carr's 10 points)
So, 84 + 15.5
105TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 01:20
I just realized that 4.5 was already my low score for one of the three flex spots. You were right with 95. Jenkins score didn't matter.
106JHHH
      ID: 33647188
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 03:48
Engram scored 21 this week vice 15.

107Joe
      ID: 4652283
      Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 04:13
My stars are counted Necks, and without a decent output by LT, and if Bulger does not return, I see me being knocked out in both leagues this week.....but I will be home, so Mario will not see me crying:( JHHH thanks for bringing that Engram score up, I was gonna post that yesterday but got busy. 2 TD's 60 something yards and 6 catches right? Anyway gotta go
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