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Subject: LMSCL discussion
Posted by: Superclydes
- [63402814] Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:02
About time we got some discussion going for this league. Jim said we should be starting on Monday, so let's get a little discussion going. |
| 1 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 16:41
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Sorry but I'll be away from Thursday and back on Sunday...I'll try and work something out If I don;t get the guys I want...Mike let me know who's on your list of pickups...
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| 2 | STB
ID: 2675240
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 00:00
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some good players available this year
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| 3 | STB
ID: 2675240
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 01:31
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Commish:
have any of the RFAs been assigned 5 +1 year contracts by original owners? No need to waste time bidding on them if that is the case...
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| 4 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 04:19
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I am going to be around for a few weeks, so I will be able to participate until then. I will let you know Ed.
Mike
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| 5 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 08:06
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Jim,
Any chance you can put a list together of who has what number of contract years available?
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| 6 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 09:46
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I'd be happy if your going to resign your RFA you do it now, so I don't waste my time bidding on him...Thanks.
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| 7 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 09:51
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Shak, If I poked your Softunderbelly would you Purr like the Philsbury Doughboy.
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| 9 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 10:23
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Contracts Available (everyone has 3 5-years except for Tribe)
AC Gumseller (11 players for 22 years)
2 4-year
1 3-year
Ednecks (11/27)
2 4-year
Gamblers (13/24)
2 4-year
1 3-year
Rapper (14/26)
2 4-year
1 3-year
Haters (13/21)
3 4-year
1 3-year
RBP (13/24)
3 4-year
Belly (12/23)
2 4-year
1 3-year
STB (11/21)
3 4-year
1 3-year
Stone (12/19)
3 4-year
Clyde (12/19)
3 4-year
2 3-year
Trash (8/18)
2 4-year
1 3-year
Tribe
2 5-year
2 4-year
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| 10 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 10:59
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I'm confused...ragradless I bid...
P. Rivers 5 years
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| 11 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 11:24
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Why the confusion?
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| 12 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 11:30
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I have a 4 and a 4+ contract on my roster, I assume I have one four year contract available.
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| 13 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 11:42
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Yup, you are correct.
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| 14 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 12:14
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Stone give a brother a break man! I can see in this league, great one year and lousy the next...tough to stay on top.
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| 15 | STB
ID: 466291217
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 12:30
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Shak,
Could you please show the current pecking order
Thanks,
Tim
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| 16 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:10
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Pecking Order
1. Softunderbelly
2. Stonecutters
3. TrashHaulers
4. RaiderHaters
5. Grim Reaper
6. STB Irish
7. SuperClyde
8. RBP
9. AC Gumsellers
10. SportingWoodies
11. Ednecks
12. Gridiron Gamblers
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| 17 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:14
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Is Rivers good enough to sign to a 5-year contract? How about Chester Taylor? I don't think I would be using my first name if it was Chester. Signing these two strictly on potential?
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| 18 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:22
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I think driving up the contracts is going on. I really think Chester is a good gamble. Rivers looked good the other day. I'm more inclined to save my 5 year contracts for Top 25 picks. I think Boldin is worth a 5 year contract, but no on Taylor or Rivers, but it depends on your situation, I think Scotty needs a QB badly, Id rather make a trade then risk it on Rivers, I'm not sure about him in the long run.
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| 19 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:42
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I will probably have to re-sign Boldin, but I'd rather spend a 5-year on a RB. Unfortunately, there's slim pickings for RFA RBs. Maybe I shouldn't have traded away Reggie.
Oh well, if I don't do well again this year, I can always trade away the rights to Adrian Petereson next year. :-)
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| 20 | STB
ID: 466291217
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 13:56
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Jimbo,
I will trade you for those rights as well, just keep me in mind when the time comes.
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| 21 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 14:03
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Will you use lubrication this next time?
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| 22 | Superclydes
ID: 3120141
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 14:50
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I am assuming that once you sign a player, you move to the bottom?
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| 23 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 15:02
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No, once you use your rank in the pecking order to win a tiebreaker, you move to the bottom.
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| 24 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 20:46
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DO I have the option to match the 4 year bid on Chester?
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| 25 | STB
ID: 2675240
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 21:49
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RBP,
You have that option if he was yours to begin with. You bid 4 + 1 and match the bid. At least that is how I understand the rules.
Tim
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| 26 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Mon, Aug 14, 2006, 23:36
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At the end of the 48 hour bidding period, the original owner has the right of first refusal, so at that time you can match the highest offer. You can match now, but that might encourage the current bidder to raise his bid to 5 years. Once he does that, you could take Chester off the market by signing him to a 5+1.
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| 27 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 05:35
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After the bidding is done on that particular player, will you be sending a notice of first refusal or will we have to track that? I can see this getting confusing having to bid on players, keep track of all of the bids and make sure your players aren't being sold away due an oversight. Not complaining, just wondering if you are going to inform owners about highest bid.
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| 28 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 08:32
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I think we should use this thread for any discussions and leave the other Bidding thread for only Bids...getting confused after not paying attention for 12 hours.
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| 29 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 10:13
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Yes, Mike, I will.
I agree, Ed.
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| 30 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 10:18
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It's too late to make radical changes to the RFA process for this year, so let's take a look at it after this is completed. For this year, let's do a compromise. You cannot pile on if you have no chance of winning. If an owner signs an RFA to a 5-year contract (not his own RFA), he will move to the bottom of the pecking order regardless of whether he needed the pecking order tie breaker. For all other contracts, he will only move down if he uses the tiebreaker. So, if I'm the first to bid 4 years on an RFA, you can't also bid 4 to move me down, you would have to bid the 5. Make sense?
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| 31 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 10:51
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Shak, There's not much wrong with the RFA process I just find it confusing and way to many if's and buts to worry about. I'm really not that bothered it looks fine on paper, but when we start the process it becomes confusing.
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| 32 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 10:57
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I thought about doing it like the FA process, but it doesn't seem like it could work. If I have the first choice, can I bid 3 years for an RFA and if the original owner doesn't match, do I get him or can other owners bid? I'm not sure how we could work the RFAs into the draft process either if the original owners have the right to match bids. The process is not perfect, so I'm always looking for ways to improve it. I appreciate all input.
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| 33 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 13:15
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Current Pecking Order
1. Softunderbelly
2. Stonecutters
3. TrashHaulers
4. RaiderHaters
5. Grim Reaper
6. STB Irish
7. SuperClyde
8. RBP
9. AC Gumsellers
10. SportingWoodies
11. Ednecks
12. Gridiron Gamblers
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| 34 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 16:58
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I was waiting for someone to drop the 5-year bomb on Chester. I desperately need a RB, but not sure I can go 5-spot on Chester. What has he done to warrant that? IMO that's no different than giving a 5-year contract to one of the rookies (Reggie excluded, of course). I guess I may have to re-sign Boldin and just go with the old run and shoot.
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| 35 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 17:55
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I don't see any advantage keeping all three of your 5 year contracts hopeing somebody good comes along. I'll use a 5 year contract on a young RB or potential top 5 WR. I mean I'd rather use a 5 year on Benson rather then Taylor.
You get 45 contracts so you might as well use most of them on Quality picks even if you don't need them, quality trade bait is better then taking a guy just to fill a needed position. If I get to the point I have to start a guy like Frank Gore or Barlow then I'm probably done for the season anyway.
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| 36 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:15
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Sorry on the Blesoe Bid..I was going by UK time...
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| 37 | STB
ID: 2675240
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 00:57
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"was waiting for someone to drop the 5-year bomb on Chester. I desperately need a RB, but not sure I can go 5-spot on Chester. What has he done to warrant that?"
What has Cedric Benson done to warrant that? Or, Philip Rivers? It is definitely a gamble and probably more so for Taylor because he is 26. However, 5 years is a gamble on 95% of the guys because of the nature of football so I will take the chance and see if I regret it in 5 years... I mean I have been carrying Trung for 2 years so what is 5 for a guy that is actually still in the league.. lol
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| 38 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 01:33
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I hear Trung is making a comeback. He could be the starting RB for the Jets. :)
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| 39 | Gumsellers
ID: 357451512
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 03:22
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Can I put in a bid for Maurice Clarrette for when he's due out on parole?
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| 40 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 09:19
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StoneCutter I offered you a trade, check the Site or your email.
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| 41 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 10:48
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Steve Smith is getting passed around more than Paris Hilton.
Softunderbelly trades S Smith and the 6th pick in the first round to Raiderhaters for K Jones and 4th pick.
Round 1:
1. STB Irish (1st round only)
2. Stonecutters
3. TrashHaulers
4. Softunderbelly (1st round only)
5. Grim Reaper
6. Raiderhater (1st round only)
7. SuperClyde
8. RBP
9. AC Gumsellers
10. SportingWoodies
11. Ednecks
12. Gridiron Gamblers
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| 42 | Stonecutters
ID: 14711149
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:09
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Edneck,
I am in the middle of trade talks with someone else involving that player. Should hear shortly if they will fall through or go through. If he is still available I will respond back.
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| 43 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:23
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Sure thing Stonecutter...Not one to "Rub another man Rhubbard" to get what I want, but if the trade is with Shak I may change my mind...:-)
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| 44 | STB
ID: 466291217
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 18:24
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Edneck,
U seemed to disapprove of 5 years on Taylor, but then you turn around and put 4 years on Rhodes????
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| 45 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 18:56
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Desperation has set in, looking for a RB that might do something this year, If I have to use a 4 year then I will, I don't think it was terrible just a gamble..If I spend 5 years on a player I would like to think he's a sure thing...I have no three year contracts, so I have use what I got. Plus this whole process to me is tedious and most of the time pointless. We waste 2-3 days on trying to get a player and the owner turns around pisses on your parade.
I think If we are going to penalize owners for resigning players then we make it a 5+ on any player he resigns and then we can just say who wants to resign their players before this process and then we can have a bidding war without the heartache.
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| 46 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:06
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Post it. I have accepted an offer from Stonecutters.
I get #2 overall pick, S. Jackson and C. Benson for #8 overall pick, L. Tomlinson and T. Jones.
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| 47 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:14
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What happens to players that I have but don't get bid on. do I get the option to re-sign them before we draft?
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| 48 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:20
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I guess stonecutter now has L. Johnson and LT, that will be hard to beat most weeks...excellent trade Stone...
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| 49 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:24
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Can't make STB and Tribe very happy, they have to try and win that division with Stonecutter.
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| 50 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:35
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I'm happy, thats all I know. I was pretty thin and wanted to get an impact player at #2 and I'm pretty high on Jackson and think Benson will eventually be a solid #2 RB in all formats. I wanted to cut bait with T. Jones and losing LT hurts, no doubt but the 8th pick would not have yielded an instant starter. I feel pretty good about a lineup that consists of...
(Insert any QB because I always have bad ones)
Jackson
Dillon
Addai/Benson/Roy Williams
R. Moss
Gonzo
Time will tell.
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| 51 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:41
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I said it was a decent trade, But when i see L. Johnson and LT coming at me, it looks a lot better then Jackson and Dillon or Addai. You are going to compete for sure, but Stonecutter just got him a no question Bonified RB combo that nobody can match up against...
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| 52 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:49
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Agree. I wanted to get a stable of young backs to go with the older guys I have. I could re-sign Chester Taylor too I guess and really load up but 5+1 for him is tough to swallow.
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| 53 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 20:19
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Jimbo I accept this offer. Please post it on the site if you get a chance or go in and accept it for me....
Stonecutters have offered you a trade: Cedric Benson and Steven Jackson for Thomas Jones and LaDainian Tomlinson.
Comment:
and pick 1.02 from Stonecutters and 1.08 from RBP
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| 54 | Stonecutters
ID: 14711149
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:03
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I like the trade for one obvious reason LT2. But its tough giving up 2 rbs under 24 years old plus the #2 pick. Its a nice core of rbs in a league that seems to have a shortage of them.
Stonecutters are in a win now mode after years in the cellar. As fate would have it the Stonecutters play RBP week 3 when both LJ and LT2 are on a bye. Go figure.
In a related note pick 1.08 is up for grabs if anyone is interested. Stonecutters need wrs.
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| 55 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:06
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"Stonecutters are in a win now mode after years in the cellar. As fate would have it the Stonecutters play RBP week 3 when both LJ and LT2 are on a bye."
Thats just dumb luck.
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| 56 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:54
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After the blockbuster trade between Stonecutters and RBP:
Round 1:
1. STB Irish (1st round only)
2. RBP (1st round only)
3. TrashHaulers
4. Softunderbelly (1st round only)
5. Grim Reaper
6. Raiderhater (1st round only)
7. SuperClyde
8. Stonecutters (1st round only)
9. AC Gumsellers
10. SportingWoodies
11. Ednecks
12. Gridiron Gamblers
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| 57 | STB
ID: 2675240
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 23:42
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The blockbuster trade really works well for Stonecutters, he is now the favorite in our division because of his dynamic duo+ (Hass, LT, LJ, Chester and S.Moss) pretty good lineup.
As for RBP, I think u will get your young stud with the #2 pick and I too am high on Jackson and I guess we shall see about Benson. Bottom line, Ed is right in that it doesn't make me happy to see a division opponent of mine get so powerful. But you had to do what is best for your team because ultimately we all want to be the champ.
Change of topic: I think our RFA process needs a little tweaking because, IMO, not enough players change teams from year to year in our current format. Unless of course you make a blockbuster trade (see RBP and Stonecutters deal)
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| 58 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 00:55
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I need more than that. Make a proposal that we can vote on and adopt into the bylaws.
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| 59 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 01:02
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I disagree that not enough players change teams. I think you'll see that rarely will a team keep more than one RFA. It starts adding up if you keep more than one RFA year after year. I think we'll have 12 or less RFAs that remain with their team this year.
The intent was to make it easier for the bottom feeders to improve themselves, while also making it possible for the good teams to keep most of their star players. I think we have satisfied both.
But if we can make the process better, I'm all ears.
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| 60 | STB
ID: 2974170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 01:23
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"I disagree that not enough players change teams. I think you'll see that rarely will a team keep more than one RFA."
Rarely has already happened twice and we are only 3 days into the process so I think you may end up surprised.
A. Johnson and J. Walker (signed by original team)
A. Boldin and G. Jones (signed by original team)
But u are right, I need to give u more than just a complaint. First thought is to lower the contract years for each team but I will get back with u on some sort of proposal..
BTW, I am not trying to give u a hard time commish because in all honesty I think you have done a great job of running this league. I am just trying to improve upon it, if that is even possible.
Tim
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| 61 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 01:50
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I like the parity in this league. The trade I made is pretty big, that at least changes the face of the league slightly. I'd like to see more teams with cap room trouble. If I just kept re-signing my starts over and over again I could keep them forever. I might suggest we lower the amount of contract years, that way the stacked teams would eventually lose players if they didn't manage the contracts right. How many contract years do we have now? 45? What would happen if it became 40? Would it make a difference?
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| 62 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 02:02
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It would make it much tougher for teams to sign players like Rivers, Chester, etc, to 5 year contracts. We can take a vote on going down to 40 years, but it would have to be phased in gradually. I don't think it would be right to decrease the years this year since some teams have already signed 5year players.
Personally, I don't see a problem with the current system. We have parity, we have the option of keeping our best players and we get to debate the questionable signings. What exactly are we trying to fix? The fact that you can't raid other owner's lineups at will?
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| 63 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 02:24
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No I don't really have any issue. Just throwing something out there. I guess I'd like to see it be a "big deal" to offer a player a 5 year deal.
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| 64 | Superclydes
ID: 63402814
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 08:14
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Jimbo,
You got Delhomme, but it puts me at a little disadvantage now. He was my starter and now he is gone. I can't put out there that I will re-sign him at whatever the bid because then owners will just drive the bidding up and I will get all of my players at 5-year deals. 9:00 pm is 0200 here and the three hour time limit to match is 0500 here. Even though I am working swings, I am not up during those hours.
Totally my fault I didn't see your bid and I didn't match it, but I haven't matched any of the bids on my players because of the reason stated above. Is there anyway we can extend the time limit for the owner to sign? If the bidding is stopped, the owner who put the bid in is waiting to see if that contract year is used for him if the original owner doesn't re-sign make the limit 8 hours to give the owner 4 hours to make a bid or withdraw it.
I am just ranting on here and I would have matched the bid at any cost because I believe in Delhomme. I know we need to keep it moving, but the times here are not good for me.
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| 65 | Tribe
ID: 31757712
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 08:48
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Mike i have 2 quality QB's if your interested! Palmer and Eli! Let me know!
Buddy where are you?!?! Make a pick in the 4th & 1 league!!!!!
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| 66 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 09:50
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Mike, the way around it is to email me beforehand. Since I was the one bidding on Delhomme, you could have emailed someone else to make sure you matched the bid. I thought Ed was your trusted agent. Let me think of how we can make it right.
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| 67 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:33
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Softunderbelly trade Greg Jones and the 4th pick to the Gamblers for Clinton Portis.
1. STB Irish (1st round only)
2. RBP (1st round only)
3. TrashHaulers
4. Gridiron Gamblers (1st round only)
5. Grim Reaper
6. Raiderhater (1st round only)
7. SuperClyde
8. Stonecutters (1st round only)
9. AC Gumsellers
10. Tribe
11. Ednecks
12. Gridiron Gamblers
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| 69 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 12:24
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Wow!
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| 70 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 13:06
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I'm real happy that there's a lot of interaction between the owners and a lot of trading. I think this going to be a real interesting season. Stonecutters has done a real nice job, but he's not a shoe-in by any means.
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| 71 | Stonecutters
ID: 14711149
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 13:29
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another big trade! what is going on in LMSCL??? Lots of big names and high draft picks switching hands, I like it.
I wouldn't take anything for granted with so much that can happen in the nfl. That is what makes it great, one week you are on top of the world then the next week you watch your star rb limp off without an ACL and you find yourself banking your playoff hopes on some guy named Samkon Gado.
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| 72 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:04
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8/15 9:00pm RFAs
Sebastian Janikowski (Ednecks)
Gamblers 2 years
Lee Evans (SuperClyde)
Stonecutters 4 years
Neil Rackers (Woodies)
Grim Reaper 3 years
Marion Barber (Stonecutters)
Edneck 5 years
8/16 9:00am RFAs
Drew Bledsoe (Raiderhaters)
Edneck 2 years
Ashlie Lelie (Edneck)
Gumsellers 2 years
Dominic Rhodes (STB)
SuperClyde 4 years
8/16 9:00pm RFAs
Chris Simms (softunderbelly)
Stonecutters 2 years
Matt Schaub (Raiderhaters)
Gridiron Gamblers 4 years
8/17 9:00am RFAs
David Akers (Trashhaulers)
Ednecks 2 years
Mike Vanderjagt (SuperClyde)
Softunderbelly 2 years
Samkon Gado (Grim Reaper)
Trashhaulers 2 years
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| 73 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 20:04
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5 first round picks...Portis, LT, S. Jackson, Benson, Wayne and T. Jones trade places. Thats CRAZY!
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| 74 | Superclydes
ID: 3120141
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:37
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Can we match the first initial bid with taking the penalty year? I see Jeff matched the bid on Bledsoe and included the penaly year of 2+1. Can we do that?
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| 75 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:54
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He was matching the final bid, which happened to be the only bid. As the original owner, you have to match the final bid for your RFA.
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| 76 | Superclydes
ID: 3120141
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 13:16
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Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the times, my bad. Anyway, my Tony Fisher bid seems to have dropped off the planet.
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| 77 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 13:36
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Tony Fisher was the 5th RFA bid on during that period AND he is already on your roster as an RFA. As per our bylaws, after the RFA process, owners may re-sign any of their remaining RFAs to a minimum of a 2+1. Any unsigned RFAs will become FAs and will be available in the draft.
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| 78 | Superclydes
ID: 3120141
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:03
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Ok, let me get this straight. He was on my roster and as long as no one bid on him, I have the right to a 2+1 contract on him? I think I have it straight now. No more stupid questions. Ok, I can't guarantee that, but at least I am active!! Probably too much for you hey Jimbo?
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| 79 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:08
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Glad to have you still with us, Mike. I'm glad you have not gone the way of Karl Gallo. Now we have to find a way to get you back in the Survivor league.
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| 80 | Superclydes
ID: 3120141
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:24
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I think I will just stick with this one. I just signed up for two classes and we are pretty busy at work, so I don't think I can fit much more in right now. Thanks for the support though.
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