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Subject: Survivor 2006 Pre-Draft Discussion
Posted by: RBP
- [4768310] Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 02:28
Keep it here fellas. Draft(s) starts on the 21st, don't wait until the 22nd to get ready. You can set up your profile to recieve email updates that way you know when a pick has been made. I also highly reccomend using the pre-select option before going to bed.
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| 1 | Jeff D
ID: 46462513
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 08:59
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I don't like the idea of pre-selecting (unless it's a top 3 pick) and put some thought towards my picks based on how others are drafting. I know I'll be constantly checking the sites but don't count on automatic pre-selects.
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| 2 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 12:21
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Thats cool. Just don't be the "dude" who's always late...
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| 3 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:37
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We still have some loose ends we need to tie up.
1) Are we starting on Monday, the 21st, or can we wait longer?
2) Who is statboy and how are we compensating him?
3) With the increased entry fee, what are the new payouts?
4) Does anyone want to trade up to the #6 pick in WP?
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| 4 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:56
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I will work more on the scoring sheet next week. Once we finish the draft and have everone inputted on the sheet, I am going to see if one of the guys at this forum can help me set it up to pull real time stats for us. Even if they can't, we will have it set up like last year where you only have to put in each players points for that week and it populates on the other sheets.
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| 5 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 19:55
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I posted that somewhere , but it is buried now.
1) No, the 21st is long enough.
2) Sounds liek TB is trying to hook us up. I'll have to read what I posted earlier but I believe I offered $25 to the two stat boys, one from each league. Rest goes into the pot.
3) See #2.
4) No.
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| 6 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:46
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If we can get the sheet automated, we won't need to split any money for stat guys. The sheet will do the work and most of us like to double-check our own team anyway. The only two times I really doubled-checked last year were the weeks I got booted off, lol.
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| 7 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:53
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TB stay on it. If you can work it out you'll be my HERO!
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| 8 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:59
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You didn't answer #3, what are the payouts going to be?
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| 9 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:55
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Both drafts will be starting at 0001 EDT on Monday?
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| 10 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 19:30
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Jimbo let me look for it, I posted them somewhere. Not sure where, let me peruse the archives....
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| 11 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 05:13
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Hey I spoke to Mario (he is behind me now....dont get jealous ednecks) and he said he still has not gotten either password.......
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| 12 | SupaMario
ID: 26632916
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 07:23
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If you have tried to send passwords to my hotmail address and it didn't work for some reason, send to gerry.mcgraw@charter.net
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| 13 | Steve
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:05
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I'm considering drafting Reggie Bush, but I want to know if I will get credit for all the special teams TDs he's certain to get. If this hasn't already been decided, I think I should get credit for any ST TDs my players get. That's part of the reason that R Bush and S Smith are so valuable. To not count something like that would seem very unfantasy-like. It will make a difference to me as to whether I can draft him in the first round. I think he will get the majority of his scores from ST this year.
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| 14 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:12
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I agree with the cop. I know this came up last season. Part of what makes Bush so special is his versatility and return skills. That was instrumental in him winning the HEISMAN (sore point for some, I know) and a reason he was selected 2nd in the draft. Sean Payton can take advantage of this dimension, but fantasy owners can't? I never understood that. Can we resolve this once and for all? Vote YES, ST TDs for our players!!
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| 15 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:14
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I certainly don't want to change scoring rules two days before the draft.
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| 16 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:29
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That's fine, we can change it after the draft. :-) It's a dumb rule that doesn't make sense. Vote YES early and often!
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| 17 | Jeff D
ID: 2364289
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 23:30
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Why wouldn't we get credit for a TD that our player scores???? Even if he is on ST?
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| 18 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 23:40
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No ST TD's! Why change what is not broken..we went over this in the past..this is strictly about Offensive production, not ST or D..so do we draft DB's in the event they intercept a pass or recover a fumble for a td..no, that is stupid? We are not changing the rules for Bush are we?
Plus we will have to account for yards for ST as well..we dont want to go that way do we....but hell, this is just my thoughts at 538 am..we all know it is up to ednecks
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| 19 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 00:50
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I agree with Joe!
"so do we draft DB's in the event they intercept a pass or recover a fumble for a td"
No one ever mentioned that. That would be stupid.
"Plus we will have to account for yards for ST as well"
That would be dumb! I don't know of any FFL that does that.
I disagree with everything else he said.
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| 20 | Steve
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 01:07
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It's not rocket science, you have an offensive player that scores an offensive TD you get the points (PR/KR is change of possession). Champ Bailey doesn't return kicks. Either way, I just asked the question to help me get draft picks in order.
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| 21 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 02:39
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Supa I changed your email account and re-sent, let me know if you have it or not. I anticipate a SLOW 1st round because of password problems and the newness of myfantasyleague.com to some of our owners. Bare with it, we'll get through it ok.
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| 22 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 02:40
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No ST TD's, that horse has been beaten to death.
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| 23 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 08:59
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Sarcasm is awesome Shak
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| 24 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 10:27
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The reason this dead horse keeps coming back is because he don't wanna be dead. It's a dumb rule and will continue to be questioned every year. Three years ago it was Dante Hall (WR) returning kicks for scores. Last year it was Steve Smith. This year, possibly Reggie. These offensive stars are returning kicks because of their talent for running. Bush will get credit for throwing a TD, but not running home a punt? Don't get it. Two of our new owners, who know nothing about this dead horse, are also wondering why those scores don't count.
The reasons put for so far are:
- This might lead to drafting defensive players -- be my guest.
- We will have to start tracking ST stats -- not gonna happen.
- This how we've always done it -- that don't make it right (paradigm).
- Can't change scoring rules this close to draft -- ok, let's change it now for next year.
Actually, disregard. I give up. I'm not going to draft Bush, so I would prefer that his owner not get credit for his ST scores.
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| 25 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 11:26
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I'd like too throw my 2 cents in on the ST TD, but my Horse died and I'm enjoying a few rump Steaks at the moment.
I would like to see guys get their special team TD's also, but It's not that big a deal anyway, Your not selecting Bush for his Special team TD's, you would draft him because he may be the man before long in NO. Once that happens he's off the Punt return team anyway. How many Return Td's happen for one player anyhow, usually a Maximum of 2 TD's at the most.
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| 26 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 12:55
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Do what you want guys..It is really no big deal either way, with that being said I am still against it! ST is not offense...if Bush throws a TD pass while his team has the ball that is an example of offense..it is that simple Shak, that is the difference. The reason the new owners questioned this rule is because they were not aware that this was an offense (not ST) only league.
Also, curious Shak, you have never seen a FFL that counts ST yards......alot of leagues (yahoo for example) offer that stat if ST is an option. Not trying to be a smart arse here but if you start giving points for ST TD's, the next request will be accumulative yards for punt returns and kick off returns. When I said that b4 I was not joking, the DB thing was a joke...sorry I had to explain.
Finally have we found a paysite to add up the scores? I brought this up b4 but no judgement was made, it is possible that we can use yahoo to add the points up for us for FREE..we just draft a team on yahoo after we do the draft for Survivor....everything is covered on yahoo including the bonus points for over 100 yards...we will just have to adjust the points for Tight Ends.
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| 27 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 13:05
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Enough with the dead horse, PETA just contacted me and they are pissed…..Clarification regarding yahoo, we don’t need to actually sit down and draft a team either in yahoo..just set a date and each owner will predraft their 10 players they got in survivor. That’s all..it should work
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| 28 | GCobb
ID: 466381221
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 14:15
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As far as the ST TD's go, Edneck is on the money with this one. Event the best PR/KR of all-time didn't get more than a couple per year. Sorry to burst the bubble on Bush, but he's a pretty averate PR/KR. He averaged 9.9 on PRs (1 TD with a long of 84 yds)...decent. He averaged 17.6 on KRs (0 TDs with a long of 30 yds)...horrible. That's in college...can't see how he would improve upon that in the NFL.
As far as the draft goes, I have my overall #1 locked/loaded in the Payton league. We'll be off and running as soon as the site allows.
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| 29 | GCobb
ID: 466381221
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 14:26
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Shak - ref post 14
People certainly pointed to his all-around game (rush, rec, pr/kr) as the reason for giving him the heisman. His body of work the entire year was very good but his performance against Fresno vaulted him over everyone else.
Personally, I had no problems with him winning the trophy. He had a great year as part of a great season. The only problem I had was the absolute landslide (largest in history) by which he won. That was ignorant and disrespectful to Vince Young.
In the end, when they both stepped on the field in the same game, it was easy to see who had more of an impact on the collegiate level. VY took over the game while RB sat on the sideline during his teams most important play (4th and 2 they absolutely had to convert). Too bad they don't wait on the Heisman until after ALL the games are played.
The NFL is a completely different animal, but in college I'll take a VY over RB any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I'm done with my college football rant...back to the NFL!
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| 30 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 17:22
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Glad to see sleeping dogs are still wide awake over the Bush/Young thingy. My opinion is a great College player is just that (Archie Griffen), he reaches greatness in the NFL..Most of you probably can't even remember Archie, I know RBP probably still has him on his bedroom wall.
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| 31 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:05
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I have a #45 jersey in my closet as I type!
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| 32 | GCobb
ID: 576292920
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:34
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Not sleeping, just lurking.
VY was a great, great college player. I've watched both pre-season games he's played so far and he's been okay, not great. It will take time but he's going to an above average NFL QB. R. Cunningham is an accurate comparison. The big question is will he be able to take it to a level Cunningham never achieved? Physically, he'll do a lot of the same things.
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| 33 | GCobb
ID: 576292920
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:37
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tOSU getting lots of love nationally. Sept 9th can't get here soon enough!
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| 34 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 19:41
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UT-OSU is going to be another barn burner. You are correct I CANNOT wait.
Anybody have any password issues? Last call.
VY will play in a few Pro Bowls before he's done. I can't help but see Steve McNair all over again, maybe even better and will play sooner.
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| 35 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 20:09
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This will be my last word on the dead horse (for this season). I believe the goal of our league (or any other FFL) is to make it as entertaining as possible. I have reviewed our rules again and I have yet to find reference to this being an "offensive plays only" league. In fact last time I checked, field goals are special teams. Should we kill the place kickers too?
I think Joe and the rest of the anti-ST scoring mafia have some valid arguments. However, if this were my league and I was king, I would ask
- Does including ST TDs increase entertainment? I think it does. If I own Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, or Dante Hall, it gives me a reason to cheer them on during ST, rather than taking a piss break.
- Does it create a heavy burden on the statboy? As has been pointed out, we are talking about 2-3 ST TDs a year max. That doesn't seem like too much of a burden. I would certainly do it if I were statboy.
So the bottom line is it adds more entertainment with little labor. What's the harm? Why are people so against it? I don't get it.
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| 36 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 20:19
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Is the draft starting tonight?
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| 37 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 20:21
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There is no change of possession during a FG, there is during KR and PR, I think that is the difference.....really I dont care, but I do think that if you get points for TD's for ST this year the envelope will be pushed the following year by people stating that they should get points for ST return yards, its a matter of consistency.
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| 38 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 20:26
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I'll agree Shak, the ST Td's are so few and far between over the entire season that It's not like someone is a gaining a unfair advantage. I really don't see a problem with it, it does make for a possible highlight reel TD for one of your guys.
I see no negative's except for the scorer missing it. I say revive the Horse he may just be the next Derby winner.
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| 39 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 20:33
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I say start the draft now, I see no reason to start it @0100 EDT?
Joe, go back to sleep, your just afraid that one ST TD will send you packing..First off the rock.
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| 40 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 21:16
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Ok, I lied, I can't let Joe have the last word with that post. Joe, you are really grasping now (or was that another joke?). FGs are different because "there's no change of possession"?? That's rich! Is that now the definition of special teams or is that just an exception to the "offensive plays only" unwritten rule? I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall the Ravens returning a FG attempt for a TD. So our league is offensive plays only except for FG attempts, as long as it's not returned for a TD.
Hey, just to show I'm a nice guy, I'm willing to compromise. We can say we will only allow ST TDs and we will resolve never to debate stretching the envelope beyond that. We can make this dead horse rule effective next season, since many people will not have time to adjust their cheat sheets for the 2-3 TDs that Bush or Smith may get this year.
Is there any harm in that?
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| 41 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 21:17
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I agree, let's start now before Ed has to go to bed. Ed, you do sleep, don't you?
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| 42 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 21:30
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Watching the INDY game..Sleep is normally from 0300-1100...plus i got a few drafts going on, afraid I might miss something. Got the Sofa Bed out, with the Laptop sitting by me half a sleep...
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| 43 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 21:52
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Ok, let me rephrase it for you Shak, it is not an intentional change of possession, is that better for you? If you cant see the difference between a FG and PR than you just dont want to for arguments sake.
But if ednecks is ok with it I am...but I AM gonna be the first arse that pushes the envelope, if you get points for a ST TD, I want my KR to get points for the return yards he will get in the game as well...I mean, its only fair!?!? You can pick up a lot of points this way, it is like having another RB! Otherwise we are going to give a guy points for a td but not the yards leading up to it???? How would that make any sense at all.....So give me a real answer here...not just a "whatever Joe, go to bed or first off the rock", there is no consistency in this proposed scoring system. Its like giving a RB points for a TD, but not the yards leading up to it.
Good night
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| 44 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 22:11
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Your reading too much into it Joe, it's just a concept to where if your guy scores a TD on Special teams does he get credit for a TD. We all know that if we count up all the KR/PR yards we would be talking about a huge amount each week. That's why Scotty said this horse is dead, to much controversy. Not a big deal either way..
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| 45 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 22:19
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Joe, what I called you on was you saying this is an "offense (not ST) only league" (post 26). Your words, not mine. Now you won't concede that FG teams are special teams, but will only say it's different because there is not an "intentional" change of possession. I think you are splitting hairs because you don't want to admit I have a point. Now you are threatening to be an arse, so that I can't have my way? How juvenile is that? I can't even compromise with you? It's either your way, or your taking your ball and going home? I don't get that mentality.
Good night.
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| 46 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 22:44
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If you must draft go ahead, but the clock wont start until 0001 and you will not heckle another owner to HURRY up until the timer gets rolling. Press.
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| 47 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 22:55
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I believe that the scoring and format has stayed intact from day one (the same since 1999 or 2000). Thats the only reason I really object to change. The over riding theme was and still is to keep things simple. But if you guys want to vote on a change for next season thats cool with me. I'll go with the majority but I'd rather rehash it in 2007, for now let's get this draft a rolling!!!!!!!
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| 48 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 23:03
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Paradigm! Even the NFL changes it's rules annually. They don't say "that's how we've always handled it." We can wait until 2007, but I'm sure someone will say we can't change it now, I already have my cheatsheet done.
Can't change the system, I guess. Let's play ball, so I don't have to kick this horse anymore.
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| 49 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 23:10
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We can't change it now, I already have my cheatsheet done.
;)
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| 50 | Shak
ID: 1911172611
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 23:36
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That reminds me, where is that magazine I bought in July. I hope I still have it. I'll have to rely on Steve's expert advice if I can't find my cheatsheet.
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| 51 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:01
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What is a cheat sheet?
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| 52 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:08
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And we're off to a flying start!
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| 53 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:12
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You made me look, but it looks like 50 more minutes till we start. I am surprised at the lack of pre-selected picks for the first round in both leagues. I would think everyone would know what their first round ranking looks like.
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| 54 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:19
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I believe Scott set the draft to start at midnight. Ref post 46.
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| 55 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:30
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Midnight, central time.
Draft May Start
On Mon Aug 21 12:00:00 a.m. CT 2006
In About 30 minutes
Enter your Pre-Draft Picks now.
View League Draft Report
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| 56 | STB
ID: 2974170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 00:57
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i will make my picks within the 12 hour time-limit
Tim
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| 57 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 01:07
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I set up all franchises to recieve an email notification each time a pick is made. Whne my pick comes up I will come home (blocked by big brother) and pick. If u need help posting your pick we'll make it happen. Just email me and I'll go post it or have somebody else do it. Thx
Timer is ON!
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| 58 | STB
ID: 2974170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 01:30
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RBP, aka BIG DADDY,
Which email did u set for me? Please set my franchise with my work email if you don't mind. That way I can email you or one of the others to pick for me if I am at work.
PS: Most importantly, your boy played well today and his team won 19-6.. Thought you would like to know that.
Tim
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| 59 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 03:24
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I know what I said shak..I wrote it, remember..its not my ball so I cant take it with me...so that was just a stupid comment....but like I stated in my previous post you still have not justified why you would give points for a td but not yards for ST (that is the compromise part Shak..pay attention)..im tired of reposting that same question so I am done asking it..if you have an answer for me or a response other than labeling that would be nice...otherwise..im done with this....ednecks is here and is jealous that I am not spending my time arguing with him.
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| 60 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 03:39
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Scotty, I talked with JHHH yesterday and he's in Houston on vacation, he said he pre-selected Larry Johnson and would check on it later, not sure why it didn't automatically gave him Johnson? Plus he said he didn't want to hold the draft up and if he hadn't selected someone in 6 hours to have me select someone for him...I don't have his password, so the Commish can just select Johnson for him in the RW league.
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| 61 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 04:16
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Ed email me or Shak with HHH's picks if the time limit goes beyond his request. Both of us can hook it up.
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| 62 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 09:19
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Joe, the reason you wouldn't count the yards is because it would cause a heavy burden on the statboy, whereas ST TDs wouldn't. You follow me?
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| 63 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 09:22
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Currently, we get our stats from the LMSCL league that has the same scoring setup. I suppose if there's a way to easily get the stats for ST yardage and we determine that this will bring added entertainment value, then we could probably do that as well. Whatever will make the game more enjoyable without causing undue hardship on the statboy is good for the game. Don't you agree?
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| 64 | Steve
ID: 16752716
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 09:26
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Sorry I asked the TD question. Too bad about Suggs, I guess Shak's first pick will now be Barlow. He loves those ex-49er guys.
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| 65 | Terry Tate
ID: 46643257
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 04:42
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when a team goes for it on 4th down they are saying if we dont get the 1st you(the other team) can have it here. When they punt they are saying "Im kicking it as far away from your goal as I can so you cant score either". When the other team returns the ball they are trying to set their offense up as close as possible to allow the offense to score. When they break through and score a TD they are lucky...period. When a team kicks off to another team they are essentially doing the same thing. When a team kicks a FG they are saying I cant get in the endzone but I can at least try to get it through the uprights for a few points. If the kick happens to fall short and is returned for a TD dont forget its the defensive side of the ball that caught it and should only be scored in leagues that allow defensive points. Maybe I should stay out of this, I dont know if Im helping or not. I just read about 50 posts though and felt I deserved to throw in 2 cents. sorry for any mispelkings.
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| 66 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 06:32
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The horsey is alive!!!!
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| 67 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 09:45
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The horsey may be alive, but I think it might have mad cow disease. We may actually have to shoot it after TT's rambling post. It was pretty amusing to hear the horsey speaking for football teams. I've read TT's post 3 times now and I still don't know where he's going with that. I can just imagine Parcells telling Belicek we're going for it on 4th down and if we don't make it, you can have it here. I'm not sure what that has to do with scoring ST TDs, but it was a cool visual.
If you ask a ST coach what is the goal of a kick/punt return, I think he will say it is to take it to the house. If it happens, it's no more luck than it is for the offense to score a long TD. Coaches will say it was due to perfect execution. The other coach will say it was due to a missed assignment or poor tackling. I still don't see what this has to do with scoring ST TDs.
The horsey rambles on to talk about FGs returned for TDs. The horsey says it should only be scored in leagues that allow defensive points -- as if that's a rule written in stone somewhere. This horsey must have blinders on. Why so resistant to change? I've known CMSgts that weren't this stubborn to change. I don't understand why people are afraid of change and thinking outside of the box. Are we all robots that must walk a straight line? Get past the paradigms and just add up the pros and cons objectively. Does it increase our entertainment? Will it be easy to score? It's that simple.
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| 68 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 09:50
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You guys like my TO pick. I can't believe I picked him myself but he can put up "RB type" numbers in a hurry....
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| 69 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 10:08
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Wrong thread, Scotty. This is the dead horsey thread.
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| 70 | Edneck
ID: 30039613
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 10:45
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TT I'm with Shak, I thought you were going to hit me with some wisdom after all that ramling, but your point/theory died a slow death along with my will to live.
I'd really like to hear more...really.
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| 71 | RBP
ID: 22136131
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:05
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I just spoke with TT on yahoo, he's drunk...that explains it.
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| 72 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 12:04
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Thank God the horsey's just sh!t faced and doesn't have mad cow. I guess we don't have to shoot him after all. With any luck, this horsey will be put to stud and we can have many more horseys (horsies?) to kick.
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| 73 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 13:16
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LMAO, the horsey..look what you started joe.....anyway, I am just asking to be consistent. If you have ST TD, you need ST yards too, what make TD’s more important than yards in your opinion, they are both very important stats in FFB..so why would you consider counting TD’s and not yards? That’s makes absolutely no sense to me....as far as that being to much work for stat boy, that is not a good excuse, if that was the case just take away yards all together and make this a td only league (please don’t, but get my point?)...now, I am saying this whole TD/yards thingy for the sake of consistency, however at the same time, I think it will ruin survivor if we count ST TD's because it HAS to lead to ST yards and I will explain it to you, it is really simple. People can, and if they are smart, they will draft RB and WR's that carry dual roles of KR and WR/RB due to the excess yards at that position. This happened to me last year in my yahoo league, I counted ST yards, therefore, rather than picking good Defensive players for their Defensive ability (tackles, sacks, interceptions, FF etc.) half my league picked up CB’s like Chris Carr, (1752 KR yards) and Justin Miller (1577 KR yards) So, in the same fashion, if we count ST yards WR’s such as Dante Hall (1560 yards), Tab Perry (1562 yards) and Jerome Mathis (1542 yards) will be drafted for the yards alone, and not their pure offensive ability……does everyone get this…do you understand what I mean or no….let me break it down for you….If you have ST TD’s it is only right to count ST yards, if you have ST yards, it will inflate the numbers of average players and make Hall get drafted higher than Randy Moss, regardless of the lack of TD’s from these ST players…..1500 yards are a lot of fantasy points. Finally, are we going to count fumbles as well on ST (don’t think we did that last year), it seems only fair….that is my 2 euro cents on this matter..hope I made some sense.
Thinking outside the box is good, but you don’t want to destroy what is inside the box by doing it(this last sentence was said with a lot of emotion with the hope of getting a Grammy)
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| 74 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 14:26
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It seems obvious to me that counting ST yards was not a wise choice for your league and I'm now convinced that's not a road we want to go down. So now why can't we just count ST TDs? You say it's because if we do, we will have to count ST yards? Now that doesn't make sense to me. You can't seperate the two? Is that written in stone somewhere? Why do they have to be linked? Counting ST TDs adds excitement and seems like a good idea. Counting ST yards adds confusion and isn't good for our game. Simple. Do one and not the other. This is not rocket science.
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| 75 | Shak
ID: 156371210
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 14:31
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BTW, I do believe that we count fumbles lost even if they occur during special teams. The official stats do not distinguish between fumbles lost during offensive plays, defensive plays, or special teams.
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| 76 | Joe
ID: 1963078
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:29
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Hey man, we just are not seeing eye to eye here I guess. I have no solid answer for you regarding your questions???? I mean it is obvious to me that it makes sense that if you have one you have the other....but you dont see it my way. But I said all I can. My magic 8-ball agrees with me!
I am pretty sure we did not count fumbles on ST..I believe there was one time last year the stat sheet was corrected due to a player being charged with a fumble on ST, than it was reversed..anyone remember this?
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| 77 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:40
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I'm a little shocked I drafted D. Davis? I don't remember putting him in my queue and I'm not super excited to have him on my team. Oh well, I hope he gets healthy ASAP.
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| 78 | Shak
ID: 2962170
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:27
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RBP refuses to let the horsey thread slide too far down. Nice pick, RBP. I'm a big DD fan!
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| 79 | Terry Tate
ID: 46643257
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:42
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so what are we talking about again?
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| 80 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:49
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TT, let it go. Let's talk about the "Goat", thats something your an ekspurt in....
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| 81 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:50
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Who's pick is it? Let's get this party started.
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| 82 | GCobb
ID: 466381221
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 22:29
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Where's FNAS when you need him? He'd have all kinds of things to say about the DD pick.
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| 83 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 23:04
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Duck to Wash...
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| 84 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 23:15
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Who's pick is it? Somebody call them, knock on there door, email, IM, snail mail or use ESP to tell them to get on with it. I'd like to pick a player I like today and get that bad taste out of my mouth (Owens and DD).
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| 85 | RBP
ID: 4768310
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 23:40
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Next season we could add Denense/ST. That is the compromise. LMSCL scoring of course.
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