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Sports Challenge     CBS Sportsline     Fanball Commissioner     Sandbox     Yahoo Football     Yahoo Football Plus     Yahoo Survival Football     TX- Football 0 Subject: RIFC AA Draft Discussion Posted by: VP. - [4067273] Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 06:04 This is basically Guru's message, with some editing for our league specifics: The exact time the draft clock will be started has not yet been determined. I will open the draft room as soon as the league is full, and the clock will most likely be started the following morning at 7am EDT. I will make a post in this thread when that day has been determined with certainty, but we should be able to start early next week barring unforseen circumstances!! The draft clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 11pm-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will continue to run on weekends. People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. IMPORTANT: We will maintain a draft discussion thread here. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette. If you know you will be away when your next pick is likely to be due, you can can set up a queue in kafenatid and designate one of more managers to pick on your behalf. Your queue will not be visible until it is your turn to pick. By default, I am able to submit picks for anyone, but you should designate me so that I receive the email alert when it is your turn. When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. However, the software will force you to fill each of the 14 active slots when you set your lineup for each game. You will not have the ability to leave an active slot blank, so plan your bench needs accordingly. Any picks made after the draft room opens but prior to the draft clock starting morning are discretionary, and not timed. There is no need to get an early start - but feel free to do so, if you are so inclined. A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale. 1 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:24 Are you ready to draft? 2 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:27 Please post an email addy on this thread. Nick has them, I don't. 3 twilson       ID: 953338       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:44 I'm ready. 4 VP.       ID: 457452214       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:45 I'm ready. 5 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:55 ready. 6 leggestand       Leader       ID: 451036518       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 15:56 I know Muhahos, and he can't access rotoguru from work, but he said he is ready also. His email is muhahos2005@yahoo.com. 7 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:10 I'm ready. 8 greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:14 I'm good to go. 9 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:27 Greybear, are you registered for our draft in Kafenatid? I just looked and I don't see you. 10 greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:33 Brain is only half working today (and you guys are getting the wrong half). I'm registered now. 11 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:52 I got two team names that are different than Rotoguru board names. Who do the teams bjclinton and bbonham2285 belong to? 12 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:58 Which one is Weykool and which one is Treasonists? 13 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 17:45 OK, I got Treasonists/bjclinton. Which Rotoguru handles are registered on Kafenatid as Bbonham2285 and Rob Thayer? This is the last thing I need to know before posting the draft order. 14 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 17:47 bjclinton is Treasonists. 15 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:05 Got it figured out. The clock is stopped until tomorrow at 7AM EDT. 16 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:05 Nick has already used numbers sent to him previously to create a random draft order TD Weykool Boikin Astade VP. Rheo Ref Twilson Botkin Judy Treasonists MUHAHOS McWell mjd Kafenatid is now open to make picks if it's your turn or to set up a que. The 4 hour clock will start tomorrow at 7AM EDT. Remember to set your designated pickers. It is recommended that you set the person in front and behind you in the draft as your DPs. I'll be monitoring the site from about 12 noon EDT til about 2 or 3AM and will act as DP for anyone during that time period. Your DP can only see your que when it's your pick. Any specific instruction concerning you que should be left on this thread. i.e. "Please only use this que for round x" 17 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:09 Edit post 16 McWell should be Greybear @ #13 pick 18 Letter_J       ID: 47324128       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:10 Where's greybear? As far as I know, she registered. 19 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:15 My appologies. I got turned around trying to keep everything straight. 20 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:19 I am ready too Do we know the order yet? 21 greybear       ID: 47324128       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:22 Just to clarify, is that pick 13 of the draft or is that the 13th selection of draft selections? 22 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:26 OOPS I see that I am # 10. I will be away from the computer all day sat and possibly sunday until 2/3. I will be trying to post a list on the Kafenatid site -- so that it goes automatically?/ Is that how it works when you are away? Or do I need to use a DP? Can you tell this is my first fantasy sport thing? 23 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:27 Please use the words fantasy FB in the email header so i know you are not spam! Thanks. 24 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:29 We didn't have time to choose our draft selections. Nick was sent some random numbers and he created a random draft order which I posted. You and I wound up with the short end. 25 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:35 Judy, fantasy FB it is. Post your que and designated pickers. By default, I'm automatically a DP, but designate me so I'll recieve an email telling me that it's your turn. It's suggested that you make the person on either side of you in the draft as a DP. 26 Astade       ID: 57544126       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:10 back in town. ready to roll. 27 boikin       ID: 41745118       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 19:41 READY 28 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 20:08 Just got in. I'm not really ready to be honest, but go ahead and start and I'll catch up. I should be around for the most part--just haven't even started researching and haven't studied IDP at all. But I'm a quick study. 29 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 21:10 Ref, I can swap 1st and 2nd round picks with you, so you can buy some more time before you have to pick. That, and I'd like to move up a little higher in the 1st round. I pick 11th. I think we're allowed to trade draft picks. It was OK in baseball. Thanks to mjd to help get this rolling. Good luck to everyone. 30 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 21:26 Let me know if you make a draft pick trade and I'll swap them out on Kafenatid. If I'm not around just make make the picks and I'll switch them out later. I emailed Weykool earlier today and he should have gotten an email from OTC. 31 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 23:22 I inadvertently stopped the draft while trying to get the clock started tomorrow morning without me having to do it manually. No can do, but it's back on again. I'll email Weykool again and a couple of others who haven't checked in yet. I'll get up at 7AM to start the clock, but I won't be available before noon or so. 32 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 00:03 Emails sent to rheo, weykool/Rob Thayer, and Doug Bodkin/bbonham2285. All 4 were signed up as of 8/21. Rheo was last heard from on Monday 8/21, but the other 2 signed up early and haven't posted since 8/9 (weykool) and 8/15 (bbonham). If weykool times out at 11AM, there could be a problem. Do we pass him or stop the clock to either wait for him or find his replacement? I might be pissed if my computer was down and I missed the second pick of the draft. If he is pissed and refuses to play because of it, we're going to be short a team. Hopefully he sees the emails. 33 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 00:31 I sent out a couple of APBs for weykool. I also sent him a PM via TSN. 34 VP.       ID: 15737233       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 04:41 I sent bbonham an email too, I know him personally, he should be reliable judging from past experience, although he has been slow to register and hasn't posted much at this point :( lets hope for the best. If anyone wants the #5 draft pick I would probably trade for a later 1st round and earlier 2nd rounder...send me an email or post here!! 35 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 07:12 Sorry VP, I made your pick before I saw your post. If you find a buyer, let me know and I'll change it 36 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 09:31 Another email sent to rheo. He posted a couple times on the last thread, as recently as this past Monday. 37 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 10:16 VP: trade offer emailed. As long as pick 1.05 is still open. 39 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 12:47 Been a really busy day for me. I just picked. I got an email that says I am a DP for Astade. I don't even know which one is astade or who he has in mind. I got the email blind--no queue or anything. Which one is he? 40 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 13:10 Astade already picked. A Designated Picker will be allowed to make picks, both missed and current, for you. When it is your turn to pick, they will see the same draft interface that you do. The first player in the que should be picked unless otherwise instructed on this thread. As a DP, you will also get an email when it's his turn. Apparently, he has appointed several DPs. If you are busy or unsure what to do, just let someone else do it. As administrator, I'm the default DP for everyone in the league. If you want me to be a DP, designate me as such, so that I get an email. Otherwise, I'll give people time to make their own picks. 41 VP.       ID: 15737233       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 14:27 So...I don't think the DP should pick for the owner immediately unless he knows for sure the person will be unavailable. The queue should be used by the DP when it becomes apparent that the person will not be around to make their pick within the allotted 4 hours...maybe after 3 hours or something...but not immediately. That's how I feel at least. It doesn't really matter in the first round, but later on blindly following the queue will end up hurting most teams I think... 42 VP.       ID: 15737233       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 14:30 I guess I should be clear about when I will be checking. As of now I should be able to check once during the nightly layover, and once in the afternoon around 4:00 EDT, so if my pick arrives within roughly 4 hours prior to that time, I should be able to pick for myself :) I'll post again if this situation changes...because it very well could. 43 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 14:50 If I have a player in my queue and you are one of my DP's, please take the first player on my queue for me immediately. I will set up a queue if I know I will be away from the computer for a couple of hours and my pick is coming up. I don't want to hold up the draft. I will not have Internet access from sometime Friday afternoon until late Saturday night. I will set up a large queue for that time period. 44 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 15:02 Yeah VP, re: post 41.I made those picks this morning when I was still half asleep. I set my alarm for 6:55 and only stayed awake long enough to start the clock and when I saw that weykool had picked overnight, I got all excited and just blindly hit the select button 3 times. Good thing all the ques weren't full, this draft might be half over by now. Which would not be such a bad thing as Kafenatid currently projects our draft to be completed on 9/23, over two weeks into the season. I'm going too assume anytime I get an email that I'm to be the DP. I'll give up to an hour or so, but that's why commuication on this thread is so important. I'm going to guess that bbonham will time out also, since he is MIA for about 48 hours now. Look at how well the other RIFC leagues communicate on their draft discussion threads. Also, by loading up ques and using them, we'd have a shot at getting this done on time. The que system can really move things along. 45 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 15:05 Thanks, TD. That's a perfect example of how we should be communicating in this thread. 46 rheo       ID: 11762314       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 15:06 sorry I've been sick and just got on now. shouldn't happen again 47 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 15:16 NP rheo, I figured that once we got everyone's attention, we'd be good to go. At least once everyone has made a first round pick, we know that they know that our draft is on. 48 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 15:21 RE: 40 I see astade now. Was looking below me. I've only used OTC once before and it has a lot more bells and whistles now. VERY NICE KKB! 49 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 16:30 As I understand it, if your queue is made available and it is your pick, then DP's can go in and pick the top person in your queue for you. And they can/should do it right away if it's out there. If you don't want that to happen, make your queue Unavailable. Or don't have a queue. If you're going to be out awhile and there are two pickers ahead of you, then make a 3 person queue. It may take a little extra thinking, but it will help move the draft along. 50 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 16:48 I agree, Treasonists. That should be our policy. And if a queue is not available we expect the pick to be made in timely fashion or at least let us know on this thread when you will be back to make the pick. 51 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 17:00 Hey Treasonists, I exchanged emails with Judy earlier today and I expect her to be picking shortly after this time out. Hopefully muhahos and greybear hang with us so we can turn this first corner quickly. 52 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 17:30 Just talked to Judy. She's ready to pick. 53 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 17:52 Great turn, people 54 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:05 Just that little flurry of picks changed our estimated completion date from 9/23 to 9/9. 55 Astade       ID: 57544126       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:24 should we pause the draft if bbonham2285 misses his 2nd pick as well? I imagine that puts him at a huge disadvantage. 56 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:28 We have to do something. A team without it's first 2 picks will suck bad and we'll never get anyone to manage it. 57 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:30 I just looked back and the last post I saw from him was 8/15. 58 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:40 I'm going to wait awhile, and see if he shows up. 59 leggestand       ID: 587262117       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 18:53 Just some info from an outsider... Check this thread, as your issue has come up before... In the first RIFC, a manager missed his 1st and 2nd round pick (14th and 15th selection). Start at about post 60 in the above thread and go to about post 78. For a snapshot, though, we simply finished the 1st two rounds and gave the missing manager the highest rated RB and the highest rated remaining player in between the 2.14 pick and the 3.01 pick (based on average draft position in Antsports). The manager who missed the first two rounds ended up with Tiki Barber and Terrell Owens, and won the regular season title. 60 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:07 Nobody's heard from him since 8/15? Does anybody know him? He's probably not going to show up. Can we find a replacement? What do you want me to do? I have to leave for a little while. 61 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:07 Thanks legg, I was going to propose a similar idea 62 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:09 Go ahead and pick VP semi-vouched for him since he played in a league before. 63 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:12 VP will be back soon and he'll have to make the ultimate decision as commish. We already have serious time constraints. We'll just have to find a replacement. 64 rheo       ID: 97152318       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:17 Hey all. I just set up a queue to get me through round 2 and designated the people to either side of me and mjd. I'm taking off to work for the night so I won't be around until tomorrow morning so feel free to use it if it gets to me. If it doesn't get to me tonight then please ignore it and I'll make a pick by 7:30 in the morning. Thanks and talk to you tomorrow. 65 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:52 I posted a message looking for a replacement manager on a couple of sites. We need to proceed with the draft. At some point between his second pick and the end of round 2, we will be forced to place 2 undrafted players on that team so we have a shot at keeping this team competitive. Please continue the draft and I'll email KKB to find out how to skip him and add 2 players later. 66 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:09 Sent a PM to Fred to see how to skip his 2nd round pick and add 2 undrafted players to that team after our second round is complete. 67 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:18 I'm in contact with Fred now. I should be able to fix this soon. 68 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:41 I'd like to be able to add a amanger before he is skipped again. Should'nt be hard to do. 69 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:42 OK, I picked, sorry for the delay. 70 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:51 ok peter n will join us afterall. 71 Peter N.       ID: 397421716       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:53 Hey guys, I see that ya'll need a replacement and I'm game. Let me know what I need to do. 72 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:53 Do you know someone, Ref? If we find someone I'll stop the draft immediately so that they can pick. But in the mean time we must move forward with this draft or risk scrubbing the entire league. I'm hoping to add 2 players to that team while proceeding with our draft and have a new manager in place to make the 3rd pick, as the worse case scenerio. 73 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:56 Yeah I begged peter n! ;) now watch him whip us. I emailed VP. Hook him up. 74 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:58 go ahead and remove the original manager and make peter n the permanent manager. 75 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:05 I'm VP's commish proxy during the draft, as he is traveling this week with limited access. I'm waiting to hear from KKB so I can figure out how to impliment the plan. I have stopped the draft so the new manager can make his 1st round pick next and then I'll restart it and his second round pick can be made after Judy. Send me his info so I'll have it when I make contact with Fred. 76 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:24 In the mean time, we're probably done for tonight, but PLEASE everyone check back first thing tomorrow. I'll get up early (for me) 7AM to try to get this issue resolved ASAP. Updates will be posted as things progress, so try and check this thread often. I hope to have this thing going again no later than 9AM. Earlier if possible. It depends on getting the info to KKB since I think I'll need his help changing managers. 77 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:32 Here is my thought. Get Pete in AOL league. Can you remove a manager from OTC and replace? Worse come to worse we cna give him the players currently picked and he can say who he wants and you can DP for that spot untilw e cna get Pete in there. Current picks: 1.01 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SDG TD 1.02 Shaun Alexander RB SEA Rob Thayer 1.03 Larry Johnson RB KAN boikin 1.04 Tiki Barber RB NYG astade 1.05 Rudi Johnson RB CIN VP. 1.06 Edgerrin James RB ARI rheo 1.07 Ronnie Brown RB MIA ref 1.08 LaMont Jordan RB OAK twilson 1.10 Carnell Williams RB TAM judy 1.11 Steven Jackson RB STL bjclinton0 1.12 Willis McGahee RB BUF muhahos2006 1.13 Peyton Manning QB IND greybear 1.14 Clinton Portis RB WAS mjd33333 2.01 Julius Jones RB DAL mjd33333 2.02 Brian Westbrook RB PHI greybear 2.03 Warrick Dunn RB ATL muhahos2006 2.04 Willie Parker RB PIT bjclinton0 78 boikin       ID: 41745118       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:35 hey every one sorry about that i just got the email about being the designated picker. Today has been a little scetchy for me. 79 Peter N.       ID: 397421716       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:39 I'll be taking Domanick Davis with pick 1.09. Just an FYI to keep everyone's draft sheets current. 80 BCB       ID: 137422216       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:46 Arrrrgh...Dammit. My bad, classes started today...let's see what we can salvage at this point, this could make things interesting. With my 2 picks I'll be taking Chad Johnson and Kevin Jones. 81 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:49 BCB, are you our MIA? 82 boikin       ID: 41745118       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:00 BCB i feel your pain, same here. 83 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:05 They never did anything on the first day of school when I went. 84 boikin       ID: 41745118       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:09 i make it hard by going to different classes to figure out witch ones to take and which ones to drop. 85 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:15 I'm not sure what to do now. Hey, VP, where are you? 86 judy       ID: 7771722       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:18 What is IDP? 87 boikin       ID: 41745118       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:32 i going to gym, if things change ill be back on line sometime before noon eastern after that i should be on somewhat of schedule for things. 88 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 22:35 I think it means individual defensive points or individual defensive player. I'm just guessing though. 89 VP.       ID: 15737233       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 04:58 If BCB is here why not use him. He misses one pick and everyone shits a brick? It will save a lot of hassle with KCB changing owners anyway. As I said I will be checking in about twice a day...so no need to wonder where I am in between those times, needless to say I'm not able to be around a computer. As for the queue issue I posted about. I understand moving the draft along, but if I make my queue unavailable and it comes to be my pick, its going to slow things down even more right? I can make it unavailable, but I don't see how that is going to help things, or am I missing something? 90 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 07:57 I respectfully desagree with VP. Everyone on these boards knows that if you pull a Eugene for 24 hours, you're gone. This guy was MIA for 8 days and only showed up 7 minutes AFTER we found his replacenent. 91 The Treasonists       ID: 571192610       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 08:27 Perhaps someone will withdraw their team, and we can get this draft back moving. 92 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 08:32 Waiting for KKB to respond, but I suspect VP will withdraw once he's seen I've over ruled him on this matter in a league where he's the commish. 93 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 08:44 Pick 1.09 is Dommanick Davis for peter n Pick 2.05 is Reggie Bush for Judy Pick 2.06 belongs to peter n Post your pick here Pete until Fred makes the switch 94 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 08:52 Once Peter picks, I'll restart the clock 95 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:33 Now that Peter N is IN as a manager, he listed his 1.09 draft pick as Domanick Davis so someone needs to post that, so we can keep going. Check post #79 for confirmation. Peter now gets his second pick #2.06 GO PETER! 96 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:44 It will get put in, Judy 97 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:52 Fred has made the switch and we are up and running peter n is on the clock 98 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:21 after what happened to pete (and myself) in aaa2, and after what it took to get him to play here, things wouldn't have been pretty if he was banged out again. mjd made the right call as I would have walked away too. This is supposed to be fun, so let's start having some fun. That means that we have a super quick daft and get it done in plenty of time to have WW pickups before the season--even if we have to go to a 2 hr clock or less! ;) 99 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:49 Thank Ref, Fun being the key word here. It was great fun when we rounded the corner yesterday. We knocked out about 8 picks in less than an hour. People hung with us and others had queues set up. That's what it's going to take to get this done. I'm not a quitter, so as long as people want to keep this draft going, I'll do my part. BTW Ref, I tried to download the free aim program, jumped through many hoops, but couldn't get it loaded. Thanks, any how. 100 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:51 When I switched computers, I re Downloaded AIM and had it up and running in just a couple mins. Not sure what's up. 101 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:58 I told you that I'm barely computer literate. I was toid to disable my pop up blocker and I'm not sure how to do that. If one of my kids were home, they'd do it in a flash. My son will be home later. I'll get him to help me. 102 greybear       ID: 127142215       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:59 2 hr clock or less?! Wooohooo. I like your style Ref, although my billable hours during the draft days will go straight in the sh_tter, like they did last year. In any event, I'll be up for it if the decision needs to be made. With E-mail notification and queues, we should be fine. This system is much better than drafting on here like we did last year. Later, G. 103 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:00 Wel the way I see it that we are using AOL site, which shows AIM, so that could help us get the draft done faster. 104 rheo       ID: 247172411       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:20 Please use my queue again. Not sure I'll be on much again before 10pm. Gotta love working midnights. Thanks 105 VP,       ID: 127402411       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:48 Well, I guess it doesn't matter to me all that much if Peter stays...he isn't being bumped "again" though...he had the chance to join early on and declined...had he joined back when he was bumped from AAA we probably would have been able to start the draft DAYS earlier when we were waiting for a 14th. Now BCB delays the draft a few HOURS and its the end of the world? Personally, and respecfully, I think you're handling the draft a bit poorly so far mjd...you are trying to move things along so quickly that I've already missed out on a pick trade that I probably would have done, and you're making owner invitations that probably shouldn't have been made without further discussion. I understand wanting to get the draft done, but I think you're going a bit crazy. I know you've got the reputation around here - and the friends - so I'm not going to pretend like I have a chance to win this debate or any of the other ones. Just don't act like I've been any part of ANY of the decisions made so far, because I haven't. You've been acting autonomously for several days. You send me emails to ask what I think, but before I even have a chance to respond decisions are already made... If timing is so crucial and we're going straight from the queues anyway, then why not just make it a live draft, have everyone prerank players, and get this over with in a couple of hours...that's pretty much the direction we've taken anyway right? 106 deepsnapper       Leader       ID: 017103420       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:09 I'm trying to post a pick for Peter N. but having a problem and he's got an I-Net issue at Tech ATM. Please post the davis pick and I'll get the rd 2 pick up in a sec. thanks. ds 107 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:12 VP, To get the draft done in a timely fashion, it has to get going. I think mjd is doing the best he can to help you out since you have some spotty connectivity. I think his point is that the guy is gone for 8 days and then shows up in the 2nd round. Better to nip it in the bud now then to have it happen continuously. There were several threads and we got Pete to reconisder and join because the pick was ready to be skipped again. He agrees makes his pick and then the guy comes back. I don't htink what mjd did was out of line considering you were out of touch for awhile and an immediate decision needed to be made for the good of the league. mjd stepped up when he needed to in order to help the league and you feel slighted. Instead of feeling like your toes were stepped on, we all should be thanking him for making this tough call and let's move on and have some fun. Timing is crucial but let's get the critical early rounds out of the way and see where we stand before going to a short time limit or fast draft. Just my two cents. Hope you don't take my comments the wrong way. I just want to have some fun and enjoy a league where I can just be a manager and not have to worry about commishing! ;) 108 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:18 If PeterN wants D. Davis, he has 30 minutes. After that it looks like anyone can grab him. He may also want to make his 2nd round pick. 109 deepsnapper       Leader       ID: 017103420       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:24 I can't seem to make the picks using Peter N's ID in this league although it is fine in another OTC draft. Ref or Commish - please take Kevin Jones,RB, DET with his 2nd rd pick (and Rd 1 btw). thanks. ds 110 deepsnapper       Leader       ID: 017103420       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:27 thanks for stating the obvious Treasonists. I stepped in here to try and help. 111 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:34 Post 79 last night to keep the draft moving shows he wanted d. davis. Thanks ds for all your help. 112 deepsnapper       Leader       ID: 017103420       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:43 Thanks Ref, I appreciate it. 113 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:00 Draft is moving along quite nicely now. Hopefully we can make up for lost time and catch up to where we need to be. 114 greybear       ID: 127142215       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:16 We've been having bouts of constipation, then diarrhea... very interesting! 115 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:24 I was trying to make Peter's 1.09 pick. When I click "home" then, "Draft Home", I could not make any picks. But if I clicked "2006 RIFC AA #1" under "league name", it finally worked. VP, I have no reputation on these boards, nor do I have an agenda. I just want to play. I knew the decision was no win for me. If I let bbonham have his spot back after Ref talked Peter into playing then they are mad at me and rightly so. I know that in my last email I sent you, I deferred to you as commish, but after further review, I decided to make what I felt was the only right thing to do. And I figured you'd be unhappy about that. Hence, my no win situation. I'm not going to apoligize for that. IMO, it was the right call. Anyone who has ever played any fantasy sport on this site knows that the #1 rule is do not disappear for a long period of time. Usually an MIA of 24 to 36 hours warrents being tossed out of a league. This guy shows up 8 days later. Plus, what kind of credability would I have if I let him back in after getting his replacement to agree to play? Had he shown up just 2 hours earlier, I would have let him in. Even Treasonists delayed his pick by over 2 hours in hopes that he might show up. Sorry that you feel like you got your toes stepped on, but you were not here at the time and a decision had to be made. I stand by that decision and would do it again. I'm done with that, lets draft. 116 Astade       ID: 57544126       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:01 ...and the draft slows down again :( 117 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:07 I'm hoping that once everyone sees that we're serious about getting this done on time, people will start setting up queues or checking more frequently. 118 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:42 That was nice, here we come, folks 119 Astade       ID: 57544126       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:55 i left a 2 man queue. i'll be out for the evening. 120 boikin       ID: 400291013       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:44 i feel my team is going to let me down again. 121 greybear       ID: 127142215       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:46 I'm out for 2.5 hours. I pick in 9 spots from now so I'm not leaving a nine player queue, that would be insane. Hopefully, I won't slow things down at all. My apologies if I do. 122 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:52 we have a player leaving a 106 man q in g24. Just put the 9 best in your q and see what happens? If you ahve time that is. 123 Astade       ID: 57544126       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:02 commish, please see post #104 in regards to rheo's next pick. 124 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:10 Empty, hopefully he's back soon. He will time out before 10. 125 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:11 He has no Q available. That means we have to wait 4 hours for him to time out? 126 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:12 He works midnights that means he will time out for sure. That's why you must leave a q long enough to get to you when we're pressed for time like this. do we skip him or wait the 4 hours? 127 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:12 What else can we do? 128 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:14 Can we change the time limit to 3 hours -- It seems like there are lots of us ready to go. 129 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:16 I hate to skip someone without notice. Eventually, the clock will have to be shortened. 130 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:17 this is for ref! Do you know where rheo works? Give him a call and pick for him! 131 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:26 I have no idea who he is, sorry. 132 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:26 When he left that message, we were at a dead stop. We used his queue on the way up. He would have had to leave a 15 player queue to account for a second pick. Probably thought it'd never make it back again so fast. 133 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:28 I hate to wait, but I don't think it would be fair to skip him. 134 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:45 He's going to be skipped regardless--just a matter of when. Perhaps 3 hrs would be better moving forward. We are really ina bind. VP, are you entering the players into the aol league as they are picked here? 135 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 18:05 that's true, hate to waste the time, however he did say "not sure". Let's wait for him until 8PM EDT and then make a decision. also, do we want to go to a 3 hour clock for the weekend, or wait until Monday and go to 2 hours. Regardless, I think we must go to a shorter clock, next week. 136 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 18:06 I'm adding a q then as I have no idea what my schedule will be like tonight and am not sitting here for 4 hours until he times out. I understand the thinking but if you're not going to be around, you need to leave a long enough q. 137 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 18:17 If you can, stop back at 8. 138 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 18:24 I've got a q set up. Only needed two but set up several. I will be back tonight not sure exactly when. 139 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:55 making my pick in a second. just gotta catch up. 140 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:02 ouch, just go scooped on gates, nice pick had him picked but forgot to put the position in. when I realized it and went to put it in he was gone. oh well, the joys of a draft 141 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:05 Who made Refs pick. Did Ref make it? 142 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:05 I'm back. Glad to see that I didn't miss anything, but disappointed that it's not nearly my turn. 143 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:09 I stopped the draft Who made Ref's pick? 144 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:09 as for me being away, I had no idea my queue wouldn't last and things would move as fast as they did. I left an 8-10 person queue and it got used up. I checked in at noon and it looked like my first queue would be fine and I knew I'd be back tonight by the logic on here, as soon as the corner makes their pick they're supposed to leave a 20+ queue so as not to hold things up in case it gets back to them? no way that I'm leaving a huge queue like that no offense. 145 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:10 check out #138 -- he set up a Q 146 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:11 no clue who made the pick but like I said they scooped gates from me. I had the name in and by the time I finished it was picked. my guess is ref came back. he did say tonight 147 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:13 Look at the time lines. Rheo said he'd pick in a minute. Who made Ref's pick? 148 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:15 Since rheo checked in before he timed out, he should have been able to make his pick 149 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:15 my guess is he designated someone and whoever made the pick or it was himself 150 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:17 Rheo, I agree with you concerning the lengthy queues. See my post 121. I didn't even want to leave a 9 player queue, but figured I'd be back in time not to infuriate anyone. 151 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:18 #132 152 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:21 yeah I saw you say that mjd and grey but there was a comment made that I should of left a longer queue (#136) I don't want to hold up the draft at all but I also don't want to potentially screw up my team either 153 twilson       ID: 953338       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:21 Whoever made Ref's pick probably just didn't check in here before choosing. That seems the most likely scenario to me, especially since Rheo said he didn't think he would be back until 10 pm. 154 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:24 Actually Rheo did time out, but did check in before Ref's pick was made 155 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:24 am I missing something? not sure why it matters who made the choice. he left a queue and said he'd be gone. I'm still not quite awake but wondering what the issue is... 156 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:25 I think because Ref or his DP made a pick before Rheo made his pick, it should count. Rheo knew there was a 4 hour clock and didn't make his pick in that 4 hours. Let's resume the draft with no changes. 157 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:27 Rheo should have been able to pick since he checked in before Ref's pick was made 158 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:27 I am just now checking in ehre as I'm trying to commish my own league. I came home and I was up and on the clock. I had asked that my q be used as soon as I was up but they didn't so I selected my pick since I was up. 159 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:28 So do we need some type of ruling as to (a) whether Rheo should get Gates and then Ref gets whomever was next on his list, or (b) things stand as is? Either way, I think a decision should be made to get this shiat moving again. 160 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:28 yeah I wasn't complaining when I said he got scooped from me (#140). just laughing about it. I timed out and gates was fair game for anyone after me. 161 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:29 no need to hold up the draft, like I said fair game after I timed out. gates is his and I get dillon. I was laughing at the fact that I missed him not trying to get him 162 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:30 So the draft is stopped? WTF? He times out after 4 hours and now it's stopped because I pick before him even though I pick like an hour into my time since my DPs didn't select for me? Are we ever going to get through this draft? And, what kind of ruling do we need? He timed out. I had Gates as first in my q. I picked gates. What's the use of having a clock if we're not going to use it? 163 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:34 just relax ref, you're getting worked up over nothing. 164 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:34 No. As I understood it, the draft was stopped because we weren't sure who made your pick. Had nothing to do with anything else. Can we get it going again, pretty please. 165 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:39 rheo, you have no idea what was going on last night and how many emails I got. If you did, you'd understand. This just adds to the uncertainty and the misery of trying to get this thing going and done in time for the season. I'll fwd you all 34 or 35 or how many ever there were. It's hard to sit and wait for someone forfour hours when you know darn well they aren't going to pick in time. And you tell me (us) to relax? Oh please. 166 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:41 Rheo timed out at 8:53 Reo checked in at 8:55 Refs pick was made at 9:05 Every other draft I've been involved in extended a curtesy if someone checked in before the next pick was made. Especially, since Rheo did use a q for the last round. I just wanted to stop for a minute to make sure we were fair. We're good now. Just unfortunate timing for Rheo 167 rheo       ID: 557542419       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:43 I do fantasy football for fun and I'm not having fun. with this in mind I'm withdrawing from the league. thanks mjd for the courtesy. see you around in other leagues. good luck all 168 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:44 OH NO bjclinton has no Q Another 4 hours to wait??? 169 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:46 rheo the fun happens when the games start this part is work! Stay with us! 170 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:48 Re: 137, you said check back in at 8. I assumed he timed out around 8. I got back and saw the email. Checked kaf just to be sure someone had picked for me. When they hadn't, I picked and went back to teh G24 draft situation. Didn't even come to this thread until deepsnapper told me to. I wouldn't have known for a while longer if he hadn't. I understand a little bit now what's up, but still had 10 mins to make the pick I suppose. rheo is cool with it as I would have been in his situation. This instance is not a big deal if not for all the other crap that we've been going through piled on. 171 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:48 Well the draft is going again, which is all I really wanted. I don't think there's any reason for us to get ultra-defensive. We all have plenty of things to do in the run of a day and this is not a pissing for distance contest. Well, not yet anyway. Why don't we just concentrate on the task at hand, and if we need a shorter clock, so be it. 4 hours advance notice would be nice so that nobody times out because of a rule change they don't know. 172 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:57 Didn't want him to quit, but keep the draft going and I'll help find someone to fill the spot and be ready by the time it gets back to him. The problem with allowing anyone who wants in the league to join is that you don't know what you're getting. You don't know about availability, timing or if they will quit and let their team go at the first sign their feelings get stepped on or their team doesn't perform well. I have nothing against rheo, but I'll admit, for not being a commish, I sure have spent a lot of time trying to get good people to join he league. 173 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:00 Twarpy's going to take rheo's place. I'll have him post with his info. Sorry to bring such good players in here but the competition will be fun. 174 Twarpy       Leader       ID: 386242821       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:02 Okay dont like his initial picks but ill still beat you guys, and girls. 175 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:02 Thanks for getting the replacement so quick Ref. 176 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:07 looks like we will have to get KKB to make another replacement in OTC. VP or mjd can you take care of that along with the AIM site? Thanks guys. Sorry if I came off wrong. Certainly wasn't trying to do so, but we are so behind schedule that to have a good time, we have to really hurry. Now atch me time out!!! LOL 177 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:08 I was inadvertantly tied up at 8 PM. I didn't get back until right at 9 PM and would have stopped the clock to extend a courtesy to Rheo since his actual post was made before Ref's pick and he did set a q for the last round. When he set his q, we we're going nowhere. I don't expect people to set a 15 player q in the first couple of rounds. No official notice was given to shorten the clock. I did stop the clock briefly to review the situation. No intentional malice, just poor timing for Rheo. That's the problem with AA leagues. Inexperienced players and idiot commishes. 178 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:12 I'm thinking of a 3 hour clock for tomorrow and the week end. Then 2 hours starting on Monday. Any objections? 179 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:13 Ref, I don't thin Rheo had his "feelings stepped on". I would suppose that he may have not been totally impressed with your #162 and #165, but instead of putting words in someone else's mouth, I'll just say that I thought you were coming on a bit strong. In any event, he's gone and someone else is replacing him, so I guess it's no skin off my back. Now people, can we please not turn into draft naz!es and alienate more managers? Too much to ask? ;) 180 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:18 GB, perhaps you're right, but how many times has he been skipped now? twice in three picks and I picked for him the other time. The Relax did hit me wrong, but to be fair, he had no way of knowing what was going on before. I don't think a 15 player q is too much to ask ifyou know you're going to be gone. Only fair. Like I said, we've got a guy with a 106 player q in G24 just in case he can't get home tomorrow evening as planned. Now that's going beyond the call of duty! ;) 181 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:20 I'm fine with whatever is decided clock wise. I'll either give a queue to my husband (playing in AAA) or live with the consequences. I guess that as a player stuck on the turn, it's hard for me to get a long queue in because I might be looking for say: a RB and a TE and with a queue of too many players, I can end up with two at the same position instead of one of each depending on the selections made. So that's why I try to be around and personally select. In any event, that's just a long ramble to say that we DO need to get this done and should make ourselves as available as possible to finish on time. 182 judy       ID: 7771722       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:21 3 hrs on friday, sat and sunday and 2 beginning on Monday works for me! 183 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:23 How long you guys in G24 been playing? I don't expect AA managers to make a 15 player q in the 3rd round. Let's just move on. Any comment on 178? 184 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:29 Our estimated time of completion is now 9/7. We need to get done before that to clear wavers. This is the easy part of the draft, the later rounds will be tougher and things typically slow down on the weekends. 185 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:31 mjd, just because we don't agree doesn't mean one of us is wrong or that is a problem at all! ;) Again, I really appreciate all those emails last night as you were very helpful and understanding. Also appreciate you helping the league out. That's what (deputy) commishs do! ;) This is our 5th year of that keeper league, but it's an elite league. I understand what you're saying, but just because this is AA, doesn't have to mean that we have to play or be organized like it. ;) Watch you guys beat the heck out of the G24ers in here! 15 isn't that hard early on, it's late where it's a killer. I can't imagine 106!!! I'm all for shortening the time limits as proposed in 178. 186 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:44 No prob, Ref, but for some this may be their first slow draft. Just trying to give everyone the benefit of doubt. This is what I get for finishing last in AAA, last year. 187 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:57 Starting tomorrow at 7AM EDT, the clock will be shortened to 3 hours. Starting Monday it will be 2 hours. When making a long q, give instructions on this thread if need be. Someting like, "please don't pick the same position twice in a row from my q". Or whatever. PM sent to Fred with Twarpy's info. 188 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:13 I'm confused. I thought the clock stopped but the draft didn't at 11pm. Is there any way you can turn the draft on so there is a possibility of us picking during the night? 189 twilson       ID: 953338       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:16 The draft is still active for me. I will pick shortly. 190 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:16 According to FAQ on Kaf... What is a Draft Pause? A Draft Pause is a time frame set up by your league draft admin when the draft clock will be turned off. Picks CAN still be made during a Draft Pause, however the draft clock will not be running. The clock will be turned off at the beginning of the Draft Pause and will pick up where it left off, unless a pick was made during the pause, when the Draft Pause is over. So we should be at Draft Pause not Draft Stopped, right? I've not admined OTC before so I'm just wondering out loud. Is Pete and Twarpy in the AOL site yet? 191 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:17 It's fixed now. Thanks! 192 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:24 Sorry, I'm trying to change the clock time, but it won't let me during the pause. I stopped the clock to see if I could change the time with the draft stopped. No go, so the 3 hour clock will not start until I get on tomorrow which may not be until as late as noon, but maybe as early as 10AM. Sorry for the inconvenience, there is nothing that I can do about it. 193 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:29 no worries mjd, it's all good. Even having to wait 3 hours will be bad for us right now, so hopefully it won't be an issue. 194 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:29 Pete's in, I PM'ed Fred and I'm sure he get to it early, but I'm not sure how early. I think Pete was in by 10 or so today. 195 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:35 I really think we're going to be Ok. It won't be easy, but people are learning how to use the q system and we're gaining more experienced drafters every day;-) 196 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 23:47 VP, in 177 I was not referring to you, I was sarcastically referring to us. Bad joke, no offense intended. It's been suggested that you start loading drafted players onto teams in AOL. Let me know if I can help. 197 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:04 mjd, I meant are twarpy and pete both in AOL? They might need an invite etc. and the former players be removed first. Twarpy wants Addai if you can put it in there for him. 198 Twarpy       ID: 22104073       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:04 4.09 Joseph Addai, RB, IND 199 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:09 Pick made for Twarpy. VP is handling AOL and his q is empty. He'll make his pick when he checks in tonight. 200 VP       ID: 2730253       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 04:47 Ok, I made my pick and built another queue for my next one. I tried accessing AOL right now, but the server appears to be now. I will try to add players once I get access though. MJD - I think I can designate you co-commish temporarily in AOL so you could add players too...so let me know if that's ok. Also, can someone post the replacement managers emails so I can invite them in AOL? Thanks! 201 rheo       ID: 47758255       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 07:40 Ref first off I apologize. The relax comment was rude and while I don't take back the message the way I said it was wrong. I've been in a few of the Guru drafts and it's always the same thing. People want to make sure the draft gets done and I agree with that, but at the same time there's usually an overreaction, like I thought and still think, happened last night. Why do we have a time limit if you're going to complain when it's used. I'm not advocating abusing it but things happen. At the beginning of the draft you don't know what the pace of the draft is going to be like. I could of adapted my queueing to the pace of the draft (whether I like leaving big queues or not). I set my queue Wed. night and when I checked in yesterday at noon not much movement had been had and I think the draft was even stopped. I knew I'd be up and checking in during the evening before I headed off to work. Instead I come in to numerous messages of Ref complaining (to put it nicely) about me. Then the pick came. I thought we had assumed that there was no problem and that there was a misunderstanding. No harm, no foul, play on. Yet you felt the need to go at me once again. Like you said my comment rubbed you the wrong way, your numerous comments rubbed me the wrong way and I made the comment. I shouldn't of said it like I did but I did. I've never had a problem drafting in leagues here except for here with Ref. I was not happy that he singled me out numerous times. I left a queue it wasn't long enough. I don't like leaving a 20+ person queue because then it's a crapshoot on what I'm going to get and then my team isn't going to be competitive at all. I'm sure last night I came off as some kind of a suck but I realized that me pulling out would be best for the league (plus I had to go to work and couldn't continue the discussion) Also like I said I do this to have fun and I couldn't see myself having much fun. I wish all good luck and I'm sure I'll see you in other leagues around here. 202 judy       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 07:45 Does anyone know how many rounds are in the draft? I am trying to set up a Q by position. Also, how many players can we carry on our rosters - not just activated for game day?? Thanks! 203 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 08:13 There are 24 rounds in the draft. We can carry 24 players on our roster. 15 our activated for game day. 1 QB 2 RBs 3 WRs 1 TE 1 PK 1 DEF 1 DL 1 LB 1 DB 3 other IDPs This is how I interpret the AOL rules. Someone correct me if I am wrong 204 VP       ID: 30738257       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 08:54 Twarpy and Peter both have been invited to AOL now. MJD has commish control at AOL now too, for purposes of adding players I also added as many players as I could in AOL with the time I had 205 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 10:38 Mr Rheo: Sorry things didn't work out here. Good luck with your other fantasy teams. 206 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:15 Right after that last pick I changed the clock to 3 hours. Sorry for the delay. 207 Twarpy       ID: 225292214       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:15 I didnt get an invite for AOL, but am getting OTC stuff. 208 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:21 I'll be trying to get into AOL soon and will check it out. 209 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:45 Sending out AOL invites to Pete, GB, and Twarpy. May take a few minutes. 210 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:54 I am leaving and won't be back until late Saturday. I am happy I got my 4th and 5th round picks in before I left. I wasn't sure how to instruct my DPs not to pick two QBs. I created a 60 player Queue which should get me through Round 9. If you are picking for me, just take the top pick. Don't worry about the player's position. I hope to be able to find some wireless hot-spots to make updates to my queue. 211 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:02 Should they not pick 2 positions consecutively? Do you want a 2nd QB? 212 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:04 AOL invites sent or forwarded to Pete, Greybear, and Twarpy. Let me know if you got them. 213 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:12 In the next few rounds, I just want my DP to pick the top two players in my queue when my turn to draft comes up. Position is not as important to me as in early rounds. 214 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:13 Sounds good 215 greybear       ID: 127142215       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:36 Did not get AOL invite as of yet. 216 deepsnapper       Leader       ID: 017103420       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:43 FYI - Under QUEUE Management, you can set the "All P players" option to 1 and the designated picker can only take the 1 player displayed at a time. They can't view the whole queue that way if you decide to put 100 in a queue, they're only shown one at a time. It and the ability to set it to allow a DP to pick from "all players" is a new feature KKB just installed recently to OTC. 217 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:47 GB, I tried sending a different way 218 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:48 Thanks, DS 219 greybear       ID: 127142215       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 12:58 Got the invite. Unfortunately, the AOL link keeps crashing on me right now. Do you mind if I set myself up a bit later, I'm in the middle of a shittycane at work. If this holds up player entry or anything like that, I'll frig around until I get it done. If I can wait until a bit later, I'd appreciate it. 220 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:38 I can put players on your team, sign up whenever as long as it's before the season starts. Advice from Captain Obvious;) 221 greybear       ID: 127142215       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:51 mjd, I was imagining you clad in spandex, with a big "O" printed on your chest, wearing a dashing cape. Then I read the second line of your post. Great self assessment ;) 222 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 14:08 spandex............not a pretty image 223 judy       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:00 WOW -- we turned the bottom corner FAST! WAY TO GO MATES! 224 greybear       ID: 127142215       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:14 Yes, I'm giving myself - and all of us bottom folks - great accolades with respect to speed of decision. As for the quality of the decisions themselves, only time will tell. 225 boikin       ID: 400291013       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:07 i left a Q up though i am not sure it will last till comes back around to me hopefully ill be back in time to check on it. 226 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:17 A 9 player q would make it 227 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:24 I found a wireless network to sneek onto from the house I'm staying in tonight. Looks like I will be be able to manage my queue more easily. 228 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:07 VP and I are inputting the players as they are drafted in OTC to the AOL gamesite. With 14 team names in AOL, some are easier than others to idenyify. I was wondering if people would be willing to make our job easier by going to the AOL site and renaming your team with something close to their Kafenatid handle. Some are already easily ID'ed, but some, especially the one's with no name are more difficult. Once teams are filled, the names can be changed if you like. I just want make sure that we input all the players to the correct teams. The AOL gamesite can be found here. Thanks in asvance for your cooperation 229 judy       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:23 I would LOVE to change the name -- how do I do it. I can highlight the name on my team's page, but it won't take my typing to change it. 230 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:25 Kudos to the bottom managers--you are really speeding the draft up and I feel much better about it today. Thanks to all for the concerted effort. We should slow down over the weekend but hopefully we will fly starting Monday. Judy, it took me a long time to figur eout how to chamge my name and I cna't rememebr how I did it!!! 231 twilson       ID: 953338       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:40 From the FAQ at the AOL page: • How do I change my team name? To change your team name, go to your Team Home Page. Go to the Teams tab at the top of the page and select "My Profile". 232 Astade       ID: 57544126       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:45 Sorry for the delay guys. 234 judy       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 22:24 With any luck, we bottom folks will turn the corner fast and be on the way up by midnight! (THEN, I am going to bed)_ My new team name is JUDY CATS ----- GRRRROWLLLLL, and PURRRRRRRR -- Whatever! 235 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 22:25 Awesome stuff, folks. We are just past the 1/4 pole, but still have alot of work to do. 92 picks, as of 10 PM. Only 245 left. We are estimated to finish in time for wavers to clear. The weekend will slow some, but we should kick some serious butt next week with our 2 hour clock. I'll advise you rookies to go to the AOL game site and click a few buttons to familiarize youself with the site. Also check out how the waver wire and claims transactions works. It took me about 2 or 3 weeks to figure it out last year and it put my team at a disadvantage that I never overcame. We have a few experienced players here and I guarentee that they know how it works. Also check your rosters and see posts 228 and 231. VP, I had time to add palyers in up to pick 7.05. 236 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 23:22 Ugh, my heart just sank. Muhahos picked the guy I was looking at right ahead of me. Such is life! I'll try to go on AOL right now, but my home PC is a bit farked (javascript problems). 237 Greybear       ID: 47324128       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 23:30 It's time for me to go to bed soon. It just took me 4 attempts to get my player's name right, and it's not like it's that hard. 238 judy       ID: 7771722       Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 23:47 I feel your pain GB. I wanted muhammed as well. Oh, well I'll be up til midnight or my next turn and then I'll be back at 6:30 am (ish) before I go off for the day. Mike will have all my picks for the day! GOOD JOB AT TURNOVER --THE BOTTOM ROCKS!! 239 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 00:19 It seems like the entire bottom of the draft has a 2 hour limit collectively. Don't fall asleep up there. '-)p 240 judy       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 06:45 Uh oh, Spaghetti - o's It appears that the kafenatid server is "down". The page won't open... So I am emailing my picks to mike. Good luck to all today -- just don't take any of my top choices!!! Tee hhe. 241 judy       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 06:52 PHEW -- THE SITE IS BACK UP - IT MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING WITH ALL THE WORK WE GAVE IT SO FAST LAST NIGHT! 242 boikin       ID: 41745118       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 11:55 Im going to be in and out all weekend i should have Q ready to go at all times if there is not pick in 30 min. go ahead use the Q. 243 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 15:36 I'm going out for a few hours. I have Judy's Q via email and with 2 picks coming up, I have a couple tough decisions to make. There is computer access where I'm going, but will not be monitoring the site. Anyone available to call me on my cell? Shoot me an email address. 244 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 15:52 I'll check back in a couple of hours. 245 twilson       ID: 953338       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 16:04 mjd, I can give you a call when it's your turn to pick. I sent an email to the address in post 2. 246 mjd       ID: 27322617       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 18:32 Thanks, I can't send an email from where I am. 247 greybear       ID: 127142215       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:38 Is somebody supposed to call mjd on his cell for Judy's pick? Or was that just for earlier today? 248 mjd       ID: 27322617       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 20:11 I left before I could sent the email 249 greybear       ID: 127142215       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 20:21 Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to sound pushy. I've got quite a while before I pick again. So do you, actually! 250 greybear       ID: 127142215       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 20:26 Holy shite! What a flurry of activity. I can't believe that we are all so dedicated to this (for a Saturday night). 251 judy       ID: 7771722       Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 22:27 I am back now -- thanks everyone! 252 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 00:47 I made last minute plans Saturday and posted my request for a call to my cell phone a little late. It worked out fine, I was able to check up on the draft and make picks, but for whatever reason, I could not send an email to twilson to accept that offer. Thanks any way. 253 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 09:58 Hope astade is ready after this monotonous wait. If not I bet you he has a q though as he's been good with that this whole draft. 254 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 10:01 OK, I took care of astade. Thanks again astade for leaving a q! Hope we can get a few picks off the board now. I left a long q last night and only one pick went down. 255 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 11:28 Heading out for a few hours. I set up a queue. 256 judy       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 12:08 Gotcha TD -- but you took two off my list!! Let's keep rolling -- the bottom awaits!! 258 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 15:44 I made boikin's 11.04 pick after he timed out. If he didn't want a QB in consecutive picks, I'll change Brees. That 2nd QB might have been part of his 10.11 Q, but with no instructions, I made the pick. Boikin, I'll change it, if that was the case. In the future, you folks near the ends may want to leave instructions on whether it's OK to draft the same position in consecutive rounds or should the DP look for the next highest ranked player from another position listed in your Q. If it's the latter, make sure to click "Make all your Players Available" option in your Queue Management. 259 judy       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 16:13 Hi Ref --nice pick ! But a question -- I had him listed on my DLine list. You listed him as a LB. do we get to decide what position our players are??? 260 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 16:18 My bad Judy, I picked from his Q and hit the wrong button. It's fixed. 261 judy       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 16:52 Procedure question: If I am at home, but not near the computer except when I check in every 25 min or so, do I keep my Q available to my DP? or do I turn if off so I can do the pick? Does it make any difference? 262 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:03 If you are going to check in that frequently, you can make it not available. 263 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:21 yeah I am home but working and not near computer but every so often right now. I almost took Taylor last round so am glad he was still there. Since the commish can fix those perhaps you can fix Twarpy's pick a couple picks ago and williams for Pete to the proper position. Thanks for picking for me. 264 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:36 What needs switching? 265 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:38 NM, I got them, let me know if there are any others 266 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:39 mjd, did you designated me to pick for you somehow? I've been getting the same screen "Player Name" instead of "CURRENT PICK" whenever it's your turn. 267 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:46 I guess I did, but I'm at home and my Q is turned off. 268 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 17:51 GB, if you see a player's name there, go ahead and pick, but check here before making my second pick for instructions. Despite my last 2 picks, I may not want to draft the same position twice in a row. I'll let you know. Thanks. 269 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 18:24 Re: 268 - I guess I don't have to worry about it for a while now. I both like and dislike being in an end. It's fast and furious, and then you can totally forget about it for a while, although I can't seem to step away from the PC for much more than a few hours. 270 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 18:39 LOL. for me I have Qs even when I am here! Now that's bad! If all of us were as fast as the bottom managers, our draft would be finished already! ;) 271 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 20:26 Ref, I wouldn't mind the draft being finished sooner rather than later; I'm already thinking about how to improve my team with the WW. I'm sure I'll have a few "buyer's regret" situations before this whole exercise is over. 272 judy       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 22:03 While we at the bottom are awaiting the picks from the top, I am wondering how the WW works. Is there a WWW to go to read about it?? Also,what about trades?? GB do you understand it?? 273 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 22:16 Judy, go to the AOL site and click the Help dropdown. Then go to FAQ, then Roster/Transactions. Also check out the League dropdown and go to Rules. 274 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 22:32 Also see Tutorials under Rules. That's why I advised you rooks to go to the site and click a few buttons in post 235. 275 judy       ID: 7771722       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 22:45 Oh, I DID click a lot of buttons, just not those!!! 276 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 23:04 As we approach the halfway point. Wow. We have completed almost half this draft in a AA league in about 5 days. Truely remarkable. I would like to think that we can complete this draft before next weekend. Plenty of time to clear wavers and add/drop players. The clock goes to 2 hours at 7 AM EDT, Monday 8/28/06. VP, no time to add to the rosters, but I'll have time this week. 277 twilson       ID: 953338       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 06:44 I will be unavailable until 11 AM. If my turn will end before then, please take the top player from my queue. Otherwise, let me pick for myself. Thank you. 278 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 12:55 Sorry for the wait guys. I was having lunch. Never thought that the draft would move so fast! 279 judy       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:07 Lunch is good. The Bottom continues to ROCK.. and the top is catching on too. 15 rounds in 2.5 hours. WOW! 281 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:11 Whoever picks for me in rounds 14 and 15 please do the following. In round 14, pick the top RB in my queue. RBs are currently the 1-3 on my queue, but this could change based on other players picks. In round 15, pick the top WR in my queue. WRs are currently 4-6 on my queue. 282 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:13 I will be back around 7:30 283 judy       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:15 MJD3333 Did you know that greg jones (JAX) is out for the season with an ACL tear?? 284 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:40 I don't think TD got the right picks. 285 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:40 He got injured about 15 minutes after I picked him. 286 boikin       ID: 400291013       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:41 I am so glad you micked him MJD was i wanted to get him. 287 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:43 You should have used the entire clock....lq 288 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:44 mjd, please see post 281 & 284. He wanted a RB and WR not 2 RB's . 289 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:50 I didn't pick for him and I don't know who was in his Q. 290 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:52 Does it matter? Can it be fixed? 291 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:54 I hope it wasn't Sammy Parker or we might have a problem. I wish I knew who he wanted, I'll swap it out as soon as I find out. 292 judy       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:55 We need to fix the position of TD's 15.01 pick. Buckhalter is a RB, not an LB. 293 judy       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:04 I was supposed to be his DP, but I was out and someone else did it. I think it is the person next to him -- thayer but I am not at all sure. If he wanted an RB first and a WR 2nd, then it is wrong as Buckhalter is an RB, and I have NO IDEA what Brandon Jacobs is! I hope we can fix it. I left a message on his home phone to join the discussion ASAP he gets home. 294 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:23 As soon as he tells me who he wants, I'll change the pick. He said he'll be back by 7:30. We're at the top, so it's not moving too fast:-) 295 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:33 I have boikins Q, but I'll hold for a bit. We're OK to slow a little here and fix this issue. We are projected to finish Friday evening. Once it gets to the bottom again, we'll make up the time easily. 296 judy       ID: 7771722       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:38 So we're doing an unofficial "pause"...? I think that is a good idea -- to get things where they should be. Do not fear, we bottom folks will get everyone caught up! I will also start calling him around 7:15 in case he does not check his message machine right away. Is anyone in touch with Thayer in case he needs to make a change? 297 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:47 No pause, just the normal ebb and flow of one of these types of draft. 298 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:15 I sawwhere you can fix the position yourslef. You click on your own name. Then click on a player's name and you can fix his position. 299 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:19 Please change my pick 15.01 to WR Ernest Wilford Jax Sorry about the confusion. 300 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:23 NP, done and done 301 weykool       ID: 41750315       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:04 Sorry TD. I made your picks just in the order that your Q was set up. If you have special instructions send me an E-mail so we can avoid any confusion. Once again....sorry bout that. Personally at this point in the draft it is really a craapshoot anyways. My e-mail is weykool@aol.com 302 judy michel       ID: 487162821       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:16 I jusT DP'D FOR CLINTON, but I had no idea of the guy's position so someone will need to fix it! Thanks 303 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:31 Thanks to all involved for the quick turn-around. I can go to bed now. 304 weykool       ID: 41750315       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:32 Judy: The manager can "fix" the position by clicking on the player. 305 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:33 He's a RB. Thank Goodness I decided to get Lundy now instead of waiting a couple more rounds as originally planned as he likely had Lundy ahead of Morency. Also surprise that Pete didn't get him as a handcuff to DD who will likely go PUP anyday. 306 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 23:32 Muhahos may want the player that's queued, but I'm going to let him make the pick, since we're paused. This player might be part of his 15th round Q. 212 down, 124 to go. Great work, everyone 307 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:06 Ref, I was picking Lundy that very round also. So good job in taking him where you did. 308 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:46 I have an 11:45 appointment, I'll be back by 1:30. Probably won't get to me, but I think I'm VP's only DP. Just so you know. 309 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 10:59 I absolutely hate slow drafts! ;) Anyhow, at least the 2 HR. limit is helping a little. Still would be a little easier if we all had qs, but the bottom of the draft has saved us. We're on schedule to finish soon enough that we can all have time for our waivers to run one complete cycle (two pickups) if we hurry. 310 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 11:28 Our projected finish is Friday or early Saturday. We're in good shape. 311 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 11:31 Domanick Davis can't be placed on the physically-unable-to-perform (PUP) list. Under league rules, anyone that passes a team physical to open camp and practices can't be placed on the PUP list. This means Houston would have to release Davis or place him on injured reserve if they don't feel they can use a roster spot waiting for him to get healthy. The most likely scenario is that Davis will be placed on I.R., ending his season. Stay away in fantasy leagues. 312 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:08 Ref keeps picking players out of the top of my queue. 313 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:37 Hi treasonists -- what is your "handle" for the draft. ie., who are you?? 314 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:40 I'm right next to you. bjclinton0. Hope I didn't steal any of your picks. 316 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:57 Just Willie Parker. But then I got Reggie Bush, so it's OK. However, I must admit that some of the names being picked now (including mine), I have NEVER heard of! Who is your hometown team? Mine is the EAGLES! 317 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:59 Treasonists ;) I've had a couple guys get picked out of my q, but I've still been able to go in another direction w/o having to reach too far for position-specific players thus far. Not sure where I'm going next though! 318 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:32 I'm back, looks like people are making picks right out of my Q;-) 319 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:36 I find that it's getting hard to balance where I want to go as opposed to where I should go to fill up my positions. As far as people I had targeted in specific rounds, I was thinking of Fred Taylor in the 5th, liked Vilma who went right before my pick, and was going to pick Lundy in the 15th. Oh, there was another flurry of activity. F_ck! Dan Morgan is gone. I thought he was good value right around now. If he stays concussion free, he's a good pick (IMHO). 320 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:37 Judy, I pegged you as an Eagles fan, right from the start. I guess it takes one to know one. I grew up in South Jersey, 10 minutes from the Vet. 321 TD       Sustainer       ID: 036331011       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:41 I'm an Eagles fan too. I have season tickets. 322 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:44 I almost took Morgan with my last pick. Opted for Gamble instead, hoping he might return some punts. I saw my first Eagles game at Franklin Field in pre Vet days. 323 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:51 Punt returner -- who is thinking of that?? YIPES! TD and commish, I am off for a few hours -- probably from about 2:30 until 5 or so. I doubt it will get to me, but I only want ONE OF THE DL GUYS IN MY Q (I listed 3), but i want both WR -- I doubt it will get around to my second pick before 5 though...After that, just roll with whatever shows up. After 5 or so, I'm on til it pauses. RE: EAGLES -- I sat in the last row of Franklin field with my dad on a freezing cold day in the late 50's. I remember the metal thermos of hot chocolate we took to try and stay warm. No idea who won! 324 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:08 I live in Eastern Canada so I'm not close enough to any team to have a "home" team. You'd think that I would be a New England fan, as is typical for folks around here. But I can't bring myself to root for them, no matter how pretty I find Tom Brady. I'm a St. Louis fan, and I even liked Mike Martz for a while... although his last year was pretty brutal. Sorry guys, but I can't really stand the Eagles either, although I did end up with Westbrook. 325 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:14 Fantasy sports has changed who I cheer for. Sad to admit pulling for the Cowboys last year when I had a couple of their players on my fantasy teams. 326 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:20 Are we going to do a draft rationale? I would just do one for our thoughts on the entire draft as opposed to round by round. I'm from Toledo, so I like the Lions and Browns. Then moved to Texas and now like the Texans. Three teams that have never been to the Superbowl. 327 judy       ID: 7771722       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:23 You'll notice that I have NO Dallas Cowboys on my team... 328 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:27 I have a feeling that I'll be an Indy fan by the end of the year. How can you not like Peyton Manning, really? I rationalize by saying that I'm allowed an AFC and an NFC team. 329 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:33 We definately do not have time to do a full draft rationale. I think that some leagues have stopped mid-way, as some of the rationales get repetitive, i.e. "best value left on the board", or "he's a rookie with great FF potential if ____________ gets injured", or "he's finally healthy and should have a break out season". I'd do a general "how things went", favorite picks, who I missed out on, which team I like best (as it probably won't be mine). 330 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:35 326 Rationales are optional for AA. I guess we could do a draft summary if people want. 327 I'm still ashamed, even though I'm a Panther's fan, now 331 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:46 Go top! 332 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:00 Re: 326 A draft summary would go something like this (I cut and pasted from a league last year). "You are each invited (though not required) to post your general reflections on the completed draft. Comments may be as detailed or as general as you wish. As a catalyst, feel free to comment on any of the following: 1. What was your plan/strategy entering the draft? Were you able to execute as you had planned? 2. What were your favorite picks? Which do you wish you could do over? 3. Looking over all of the teams, which ones do you like the most (other than your own)? 4. What surprised you most about the draft? 5. If you could start over, would you do anything differently? Non-managers are also welcome to post general comments on the draft, and to raise questions." This would be set up on a seperate thread and if enough people express interest, I'll set it up. 333 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:27 GB, Peyton Manning is a great QB, but as an ex-offensive lineman (HS, semi pro), his comments about his O-line after the loss to Pitt in the playoffs would warrent a few "look out" blocks from me, were I one of his O-lineman. 334 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:37 That's one of the few times that he has made non favourable comments about his teammates. That and when he mentioned - during a pro bowl interview - something along the lines of "who cares about what a drunk idiot kicker has to say anyway" in reference to Vandershiat's comments on how Manning and Dungy were too laid back and not competitive enough. All in all, I think he's a class act. He had nothing but good things to say about Eli in his latest interview (with the NFL network, I believe, or was it PTI?) and even gave out best wishes to the "idiot kicker", now injured in Dallas, on the cusp of getting cut (looks good on him). 335 Ref       Donor       ID: 539581218       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:56 Peyton was speaking the truth. Those O-Linemen had been good all year then didn't show up to the biggest game to that point and it meant they went home. They have to be held accountable. He sure praised them all year long when they did well for them. Sure it came off bad, but in the end the blame was laid appropriately. Was he supposed ot lie and say he caused all those sacks and hurried throws? Anyhow, Peyton is the class of the league both on and off the field. Too bad it's the negativism that gets all the press. I am so sick of hearing TO this and TO that!!! 336 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:18 Speaking of TO, did you think he looked smashing in his Cyclist garb? What a wingnut! He had the shirt, sunglasses and helmet... on a f_ckin stationary bike! I thought it showed his sense of humour, although some might say that he was just being an attention wh0re. In any event, I'm glad I was able to pick up Glenn where I did, given that TO will most likely be double covered all year, whenever he gets around to playing... although he can catch the darn ball double covered or not! 337 judy       ID: 487162821       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:46 OK I am back. Thanks to my DP. We are cranking today -- both top and bottom are on the move! 338 The Treasonists       Donor       ID: 171572711       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:53 I blew it on Glenn. I should have picked him and then Green, QB. I don't think anyone at the bottom would have picked a 2nd QB. But I was worried about a trade and basically just paniced. I saw TO in the biker outfit, but it didn't sink in that the bike was stationary. Hilarious. 339 Greybear       ID: 127142215       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:56 I know. I think that his attempts to be funny are often perceived in a negative light just because it's TO. Anyone know where mjd went? He would have said if he was leaving a Q. I'm desgnated to pick for him, but have no idea wha it is he wants to do at this point, as I sometimes don't even know what I want to do! 340 mjd       Sustainer       ID: 501381415       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:06 Sorry, got tied up on the phone before picking a couple of Derricks 342 Astade       ID: 57544126       Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:48 This thread is getting a bit cumbersome. 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