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Subject: Mock Draft-Pick by Pick discussion.
Posted by: Fletch
- [4467614] Tue, Jul 10, 16:14
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| 1 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Tue, Jul 10, 18:42
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No surprise with Faulk as my first pick. It was a coin toss between him and Edge. I went with Faulk because the Rams Offense begins with the letter "M" While Edge James rushing yards and rushing TD's probably will be better, he wont hold a candle to Faulks rec. yards, and rec T.D's. So all and all, not very much brain power went into the 1st selection. Look forward to the rest of the draft.
Fletch Faulk
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| 2 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Wed, Jul 11, 06:30
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James is the safest pick in the NFL. The guy is never injured and plays virtually every down on a high-powered offense. Easy choice.
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| 3 | Strike One
ID: 39252299
Wed, Jul 11, 13:32
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I was just wondering, what are the categories for a standard roto football league?
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| 4 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Wed, Jul 11, 15:04
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Pick 3 is where opinions diverge. Taylor is certainly injury-prone, but his dominace justifies the risk when choosing him. If he can play 16 games, he could outpoint either Edge or Faulk.
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| 5 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Wed, Jul 11, 16:23
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I agree that Taylor is a good gamble. However, I would rather gamble in the later rounds, then my first pick. Those that took a gamble, much like the one last year with Terrell Davis being nabbed in the first round, seperated first place, and last place. Now, if Taylor stays healthy, then I will happily insert my foot in my mouth, I just dont see him putting down a 16 game performance. Blah Blah really needs to grab the best available back in the second round. This however is my opinion, and the reason we are conducting a mock draft. Hope I did not offend Blah Blah.
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| 6 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Jul 12, 02:01
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I've always subscribed to the maxim "You can't win in the 1st round, but you can definitely lose". I would have probably picked George over Taylor at pick 3 mostly due to injury history. But if Taylor puts in 16 games he's probably a top-2 player easy.
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| 7 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Thu, Jul 12, 06:06
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I bet JKaye was pretty excited to get George at #5. I'll also bet that the next 3 people have a hard time deciding who to pick (so many good options still available).
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| 8 | adam777
ID: 0528265
Thu, Jul 12, 07:59
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George is solid, but even he might be a risk this early. I don't think he was much of a "steal" at #5. Given his recent injury, I probably would have gone with Moss at that spot.
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| 9 | natedog
ID: 42611214
Thu, Jul 12, 14:05
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What about Jamal Lewis?? Most sites are ranking him as a top 5 back. I would have jumped on him, but I love Culpepper, and was unable to get him in any of my other mocks. He can put up HUGE numbers, especially now that they have recieved a huge blow to their running game.
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| 10 | kev
ID: 36925310
Thu, Jul 12, 14:38
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That is a really tough choice. Hard to believe Lewis or Culpepper would be available at 8. I think Culpepper is the best QB out there. The offense will still be great, and he can put up the stats on the ground which Warner and Manning cant. Its not a stretch to see Culpepper with 7 or 8 TD's on the ground this year. Its not like they have any Leroy Hoard type backs that will take the goalline carries.
Lewis, to me, has to be the next pick. A top 5 back, taken 8th, is a great pick, mostly with the chance of another great back coming back with the 13th pick.
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| 11 | natedog
ID: 42611214
Thu, Jul 12, 15:07
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2 days to get 7 picks?? IN THE FIRST ROUND!? Methinks that this draft will fall apart round 3-4
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| 12 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Thu, Jul 12, 18:09
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I guess you might be surprised with the Owens pick.....but now that Garcia has a year under his belt I think he may be even more dangerous this year. I was not as impressed as everyone else; Great player but I have Owens higher.
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| 13 | adam777
ID: 0528265
Thu, Jul 12, 18:33
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Owens IS a bit of a reach this early, but he'll have a great year for sure.
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| 14 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Thu, Jul 12, 18:39
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I was thinking of getting Bruce, Harrison, or Moss BUT ....Without Smith in Minny it may affect Moss, Warner spreads it out alot....And in Indy they drafted that WR in the 1st round that should do good and take away some from Harrison.....So from all those I think Owens is the most secure....There are some QB'S & RB's that I like but would have been a reach in the 1st. So with and early 2nd round pick I may be able to pick one of them up.
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| 15 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Fri, Jul 13, 06:39
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Bodacious Tahtah's got Jamal Lewis because I think you need to draft a RB in the 1st round, especially after Warner and Culpepper are gone. I considered Moss, but unless Russ takes Moss and Harrison, Tahtah's will still be able to get a topline WR.
Sorry, WiddleAvi, but I don't think Owens was your best value at number 8. Remember, you pick again at number 13. I am almost sure he'd still be available there, and now you will wind up missing out on a few Top RB's. I think our disagreement lies in evaluating Owens chances this year (his talent his unquestionable). I think with the 49er's losing Garner, their offense will not be as powerful. Moss, on the other hand, would be a stud if he played for Cleveland or Dallas--regardless of how horrendous those teams' offenses are. With Minnesota he will be THE #1 WR this year, without question, in my mind.
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| 16 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Fri, Jul 13, 07:00
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I went with best available. I was disappointed to see that JLew was gone at 9- darn MC! I was hoping Tahthas would take Moss so I could have a 2HM at RB but oh well.
Moss is WAY to good to pass up at #11 but I did consider Harrison but had to go with the mad bomber.
CuMar is a model of consistency.
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| 17 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Fri, Jul 13, 07:27
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Motley Crue....Well I guess we will have to just wait till the season is over to find out :-)
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| 18 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Fri, Jul 13, 07:29
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Nice picks Russ. Now the question is "Where is Bodacious Tahtahs and should I really give him 8 hours to pick since I haven't seen him in 2 days?"
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| 19 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Fri, Jul 13, 07:33
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RULE CHANGE: 4 hour limit for picks. Please make note of this and stick to it.
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| 20 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Fri, Jul 13, 11:12
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Well, the phantom drafter Bodacious Tahtahs got Marvin Harrison, because he was the best WR available and more of a sure thing than any of the other remaining RB's. Plus, if I were choosing for myself, that's who I'd take.
Paired with Jamal Lewis, Harrison creates a deadly Top 2 for any team.
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| 21 | WiddleAvi
ID: 495161812
Fri, Jul 13, 13:49
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I am going with Griese....He was having a career year last season before the injury. He led the AFC in QB Rating. If he plays a full season he is easily 4,000+ yards, 30+ TD's. He also does not throw for alot of Ints. If he ca stay healthy he will rival Warner and Manning. He may be a bit of a reach based on injury but I really like him and don't expect him to be around in the 3rd round.
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| 22 | adam777
ID: 116191311
Fri, Jul 13, 14:07
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Just a little recap to see exacty where we are:
1. Marshall Faulk
2. Edgerrin James
3. Fred Taylor
4. Peyton Manning
5. Eddie George
6. Kurt Warner
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Terrell Owens
9. Jamal Lewis
10. Curtis Martin
11. Randy Moss
12. Marvin Harrison
13. Brian Griese
14.
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| 23 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jul 13, 14:19
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Easily 4000 yards? No QB even when healthy can easily get 4000 yards.
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| 24 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Fri, Jul 13, 14:52
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Last season between Griese & Ferotte they combined for 4464 Yards and 28 TD's. I think Griese playing a full season Healthy can match or top that !! The couple of times I have seen him play I have liked what I saw. Like I said before....only after the season will we see.
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| 25 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jul 13, 15:04
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I'm not saying he can't match that.... All I'm saying is getting 4000 yards is not easy, a QB has to average 250 yards per game and that's if they play every game of the season.
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| 26 | natedogs
ID: 476581317
Fri, Jul 13, 18:08
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Don't worry WiddleAvi. Griese won't play 16 games, and won't get 4000 yards. The guy has had shoulder surgury twice in two years. Not a good sign. I'd be more than willing to lay down $100 that he misses at least one game. He is a gigantic stretch at 13th overall pick. Thankfully, for you, this is only a mock.
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| 27 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Fri, Jul 13, 18:29
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Well natedogs.....You went ahaead and drafted someone who also has gotten injured 2 seasons in a row !!
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| 28 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Fri, Jul 13, 18:41
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I agree with both of you to a point. I'm more leery of Ricky Williams than I am of Griese. Grease can easily reach 4000 yds and 35 TD's if he plays all 16, just like RW should reach 1500 yds rushing and 10 TD if he can play all 16.
Look at Robert Smith. Everything came together for him last season. Leroy Hoard got released ans Smith got all of the goal line carries. Smith stayed healthy, ran for 1521 yds (led league), 10 TD's (rush and rec) and was a force.
I think the same can be said for either guy selected at 13/14.
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| 29 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Fri, Jul 13, 20:02
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Took Tony Gonzalez because no clear cut stud RB's left and the WR's left that are studs are injury prone plus Tony is by far and away the best TE.
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| 30 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Fri, Jul 13, 21:26
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TG rather than Issac Bruce? He's been healthy the last 2 years and he's in that RAM machine.
TG is the best TE no doubt, but better than Bruce? I don't think TG is worth that much this early.
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| 31 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Sat, Jul 14, 07:15
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I gave Bruce to JKaye. He has George and needs a WR. I've said enough about Bruce.
I hope this is ok JKaye- but I don't think you'll be unhappy!
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| 32 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Sat, Jul 14, 10:25
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Well I got Warner in the first round and I never like drafting players on the same team in the first two rounds. Bruce has been healthy the past 2 years but he's also been very careful(sliding in front of a tackler instead of trying to break the tackle).
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| 33 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Sun, Jul 15, 21:34
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I hear ya MIKE D. It is dangerous to have 2 guys on the same team as your studs. The team has to do well every week to score big. Good job of diversifying, I didn't see you take Warner!
No Holt? ;)
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| 34 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Sun, Jul 15, 21:35
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BLAH had a need at QB and I went with the best on the board.
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| 35 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 06:23
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I got another stud RB to compliment James, and I will get one of the Top 3 remaining WR's with my next pick, since only Fletch is ahead of me. My team is shaping up nicely.
I really don't think anyone should be worried about Ahman Green's playing time this year. Even with a healthy (?) Levens returning, Ahman should be the main ball handler for GB, after Favre. Levens is old and if you listen closely, you can hear his joints creaking. Plus they reduced his pay this year--that usually doesn't happen if you are expected to come in and start at RB.
With the tantalizing numbers Green put up in the second half of last season, my only real concern picking him here is whether or not his fumble woes are truly behind him. In a league where a single point will never be tallied, this risk is worth taking.
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| 36 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Mon, Jul 16, 08:19
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*Picks Recap*
1. Marshall Faulk
2. Edgerrin James
3. Fred Taylor
4. Peyton Manning
5. Eddie George
6. Kurt Warner
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Terrell Owens
9. Jamal Lewis
10. Curtis Martin
11. Randy Moss
12. Marvin Harrison
13. Brian Griese
14. Ricky Williams
15. Tony Gonzalez
16. Issac Bruce
17. Stephen Davis
18. Jeff Garcia
19. Ahman Green
20.
Fletch is on the clock with picks 20 and 21.
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| 37 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 08:28
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Only 8 RB's taken in the first 19 picks. That is surprising to me. If this were a real league, some of these guys would be sorry when their number 1 RB is Jerome Bettis or LaDainian Thomlinson.
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| 38 | natedog
ID: 39649168
Mon, Jul 16, 08:56
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I agree MC. I think that a team with Warner/Gonzalez 1-2 would be hurting pretty bad.
Back to Ricky and Griese's injuries. Ricky broke his ankle. Not good. But when it heals, it should be fine. Shoulder injuries, especially in quarterbacks are much more questionable. There are a lot more things that go wrong, and can often take years to fully heal, as well as the chance of getting injured again. I'm not saying that Griese isn't a good fantasy pickup, but I am saying a) He will miss at least one game due to injury b) He would have been around for another round. If not...let some one else take him.
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| 39 | Fletch
ID: 33656149
Mon, Jul 16, 09:22
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Ok. My strategy for this draft was to go for two of the best RB's with my first two picks, and am very pleased with a backfield of Faulk/Garner. The next logical step was to nab a QB, and took somewhat of a gamble in Trent Green. If he stays healthy, I has the potential to put up some respectable numbers. I also considered Gannon, and McNair, but have Green higher on my depth charts right now. Training camp will decide if I need to change that.
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| 40 | natedog
ID: 39649168
Mon, Jul 16, 10:31
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I think that Garner is sort of risk. He had a big year last year, but now he is on a team that likes to use a lot of backs. Wheatley is going to get his carries too, so I would not expect Garner to put up numbers close to last year.
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| 41 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 10:44
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Good thoughts on Garner, Natedog. I agree, but I also think Garner could wind up leading the Raiders in receptions. Definitely a risky pick, but one with considerable upside.
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| 42 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 11:21
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I went with Holt because he is a ringer!
No, seriously, he is arguably the best Fantasy Receiver on arguably the best Fantasy Team (Rams). I didn't say he is better than Bruce or Faulk, but I could argue he is a better Fantasy Receiver than either of them. Just trying to diffuse the arguments I see cropping up out of that one.
blahblah is up again, although I doubt we'll ever see him. You have until 4 PM EST to pick, blahblah.
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| 43 | natedogs
ID: 466171611
Mon, Jul 16, 13:06
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That depends on how you define upside. Here we have a guy who has had one outstanding year. I don't invision him, under the best circumstances outperforming last year. So in that sense I don't see an 'upside'. However, I do see that it is a possibility for him to get the ball more than most people think. That, to me, is his upside. So I don't see it being a good idea to draft him at #20.
Fletch did do a good job, however, by covering himself with what could be a top 5 QB.
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| 44 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 13:57
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I'd like to see Trent Green play a full season before calling him Top 5 anything. Personally, I would have held off on him until round 5 or later.
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| 45 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Mon, Jul 16, 15:04
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blahblah got Corey Dillon, the NFL record-holder for most rushing yards in a game. Lousy team, but Dillon's season numbers always pan out pretty well. See you guys tomorrow.
//MC
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| 46 | adam777
ID: 116191311
Mon, Jul 16, 17:36
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TD of course has some risk...injury and playing time wise. But RB's are valuable, so it's a risk I had to take! Leaves me with both Davis', Stephen and Terrell. Wow.
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| 47 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Mon, Jul 16, 17:59
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I took J Stewart. Bascially, RB always go quickly, so getting a second solid one is key.
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| 48 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Tue, Jul 17, 00:48
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Took a risk a RB with Jamal Anderson. Last year he was going early 2nd round this year people are scared away because of his low TD total. I'm hoping the Falcons can give him more chances around the goal line next year.
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| 49 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Tue, Jul 17, 01:09
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To back up my TG selection last round.
Tony Gonzalez 1203 Rec yards 9 TD's
Shannon Sharpe 810 Rec yards 5 TD's
That's the difference between the #1 and #2 TE's last year. Gonzalez is ONLY 25, who's to say those numbers can't improve with a better QB in KC.
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| 50 | WiddleAvi
ID: 236111711
Tue, Jul 17, 11:16
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Well I was hoping to get a RB with this pick as I need one but I couldn't pass on Mcnabb. Even without Staley for most of the season and defenses focusing just on Mcnabb he still had an awesome year. I think with another season under his belt and Staley to take some pressure off he will do really well. Besides for the 3,000+ and the TD's he threw for he had 600+ rushing yards and 6 TD's Rushing. With the point formula 600 rushing yards in equall to 1200 passing. So Mcnabb had so to speak a 4,500, 25 TD (About) effort last season.
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| 51 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Tue, Jul 17, 12:28
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Time for another recap of picks, especially since I am next!
1. Marshall Faulk
2. Edgerrin James
3. Fred Taylor
4. Peyton Manning
5. Eddie George
6. Kurt Warner
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Terrell Owens
9. Jamal Lewis
10. Curtis Martin
11. Randy Moss
12. Marvin Harrison
13. Brian Griese
14. Ricky Williams
15. Tony Gonzalez
16. Issac Bruce
17. Stephen Davis
18. Jeff Garcia
19. Ahman Green
20. Charlie Garner
21. Trent Green
22. Torry Holt
23. Corey Dillon
24. Terrell Davis
25. James Stewart
26. Jamal Anderson
27. Lamar Smith
28. Donovan McNabb
I doubt BT will pick since he hasn't to this point. I'll pull the trigger for him eventually and then I'll make my picks for 30 & 31.
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| 52 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Tue, Jul 17, 12:40
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I want to pick for him, Russ. I wouldn't want it to look like you chose the wrong guy for Tahtah's team, and then 2 better players for yourself.
I am looking right now to see who he is gonna get and I think it will be Ricky Watters. Oh, heck, I'll commit--if BT doesn't come here and pick for himself by 4 PM, he gets Watters.
He needs a second stud RB, and Watters is the best of what is left. Seattle will need him to play alot this year, since their passing game will presumably suck.
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| 53 | natedog
ID: 30651713
Tue, Jul 17, 13:13
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Well, I want to apologize for not being around for my pick. Thanks for taking Lamar Smith for me. He is who I would have chosen. The last mock I did, he was the best available back at 13, so I'm pretty happy with 'Pepper, Ricky, and Smith.
MC...I have to disagree about Seattle's passing game. It will certainly be no worse than last year. They picked up some young recievers, and Hasselbeck. Now it's tough to get too high on a kid that has barely played, but I have seen him when he was in, and he looked great. Also, his coach is formerly the QB coach of two of the best QB's of all time, and will no doubt be trying to get the most out of him. Also, Holmgren was his coach in Green Bay, so he knows him far better than we. Hasselbeck may end up being a good 2nd string QB to have, to use as trade bait for someone who loses their QB. I would not, however depend on him being your number 1.
How did I get on a rant about Hasselbeck...???...oh yeah...
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| 54 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Tue, Jul 17, 13:34
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Can we just give him Watters now and then I can go? I also think we should ask if anyone else wants to draft in his place since he hasn't been around to make any of his picks.
Thanks for giving me a heads UP! I will work around Watters.
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| 55 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Tue, Jul 17, 13:51
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natedog,
Even if Hasselback is a stud (I don't believe he is), his receivers are nothing special. Jackson was the best rookie WR last year, and his numbers were pretty average. This year, he will be the focus of all opponents' secondaries. I don't see him bettering his numbers from last year(53 rec., 713 yards, 6 TD's).
And Robinson hasn't worked out yet because of a hammie injury. Rookie wideouts are almost never impressive, especially when they miss parts of camp.
I'd call that passing game pretty bleak.
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| 56 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Tue, Jul 17, 14:03
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Russ, I have been begging people in the baseball Forum to come take BT's spot, and no one has jumped at that chance. I don't know what else to say. You can't wait one more hour?
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| 57 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Tue, Jul 17, 14:06
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I sure can! Thanks for trying.
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| 58 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Tue, Jul 17, 15:12
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What can I say? I work fast. I wanted to round out my RB's since that has the smallest talent pool remaining. I could have picked two other top flight wide outs but I can fill that later- same with QB.
I'm done for a while.
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| 59 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 104432913
Tue, Jul 17, 15:17
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Thanks for staying on the ball, Russ. I took BT's 2nd pick already, and he is done with this draft. I will continue to pick for him when he comes up.
He got Rod Smith, who I had pegged as the best remaining WR. He proved last year he is among the elite.
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| 60 | Gary
ID: 765918
Tue, Jul 17, 15:27
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Hello guys just arrived since I started my football prep. So if you don't mind I am going to put in my $.02.
First of the worst picks in the first round: Fred Taylor. Why when you could of picked up Culpepper, Manning, or Warner. Top notch QB's who definately are worth building a team around. Taylor is a good RB don't get me wrong but he isn't a #3 pick, sorry. I also think the pick of Terrell Owens was a bad pick especially since Mr. Randy "my hands are glue" Moss was still there-Why?
Next I will put in my two cents for the best picks so far.Culpepper #7, Moss #11, Tony Gonzalez #15, and Terrell Davis in the 3rd round was the biggest steal of the draft so far.
Keep this up guys for the info is going to be invaluable.
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| 61 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Tue, Jul 17, 15:42
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thank you Gary. I got ripped apart for the TG pick, not sure why.
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| 62 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Tue, Jul 17, 16:16
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I would have gone with moss....Only thing is I didn't like that Robert Smith was gone....which until I see differently it means the defenses can focus more on defending the pass and less on the run....And I don't know how that will effect culpepper & Moss. I decided to play it safe....And besides Owens has a simular year to Moss.
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| 63 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Tue, Jul 17, 16:23
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I am going with Bettis for my 4th pick. I have alot of other players ranked higher but I need at least one decent RB. Bettis is a work horse. While he doesn't have a great per carry average he gets his yards.
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| 64 | kev
ID: 36925310
Tue, Jul 17, 16:30
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Widdle, the thing that confuses me, is, IIRC you have 2 QB's taken in the first 4 rounds, correct? It seems odd that you would pick McNabb in the 3rd round when you had Griese in the second...or I just read the picks wrong.
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| 65 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Tue, Jul 17, 16:46
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a) I don't know what IIRC mean ?? :-) b) Yes that is what I picked....not sure why thats odd ?? The point system that we are using seems to give an advantage to QB's: 20 passing yards=1 and 10 rushing yards=1 point. That means a QB has to have double the passing yards to match the points for a RB's rushing yards. A good season for a RB is 1,200 or so which is equal to 2,400 for a QB. I expect 4,000+ yards passing from Griese. To equal that a RB has to go over 2,000....Besides for Faulk & James no one is gonna do that. Plus a TD passing is equal to a TD Rushing. A RB will have about 10 maybe maybe 15 TD's a year while a QB will have 25-35. So it seems to me that having a top notch QB is more important then a top notch RB. Why did I not take a QB in the 1st round ?? Because there is a big drop off in QB's after warner & Manning...after them I had Griese ranked highest but fully expected him to be around in round 2. Basiclly according to the point system QB's seemed more important so I drafted accordingly. Hope this all made sense.
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| 66 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Tue, Jul 17, 16:54
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Gotta disagree with Gary. RB is the place to be in round 1. Taylor is a fine pick at #3. I'd take a RB first overall if I had any top 5 pick. Odds are one of the top 5 RB will fall to someone sitting at 7-8, because the QB's will get taken. But to me, getting RB early is key.
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| 67 | kev
ID: 36925310
Tue, Jul 17, 16:55
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IIRC is If I Recall Correctly
Widdle, that makes perfect sense, except for the fact you only start 1 Qb, 2 RB's, 2 WR's, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 Def.
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| 68 | WiddleAvi
ID: 54640816
Tue, Jul 17, 17:22
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No kev.....we are playing that you pick 2 QB's, 3 RB's, 3 WR's, 1 TE, & 1 K with every player being a starter.
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| 69 | Gary
ID: 765918
Tue, Jul 17, 17:50
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JKaye good to see you buddie. I agree with RB are in rare supply this year but the 1st round pick is very importent and should be what your team is filled around. So I believe that the 1st 2 picks are obvious with James and Faulk being the first 2 picks but I have found that there is always a suprise pick at RB that tends to come thru by the end of the year who normally wasn't thought of as a high round pick. Example: Last year Tiki Barber & Charlie Garner. Niether one was taken in the 1st three rounds in our draft and both proved to be very solid RB. I remember a couple of years ago I got Stephan Davis RB for Wash. in the 6th round in fact alot of people laughed at me for the pick and that year he was one of the top 3 RB and was then drafted in the 1st round the following year.
So what I am saying is if one does his/her homework there are good RB that can be had in later rounds. So why not fill up the 2nd hardest postion to fill QB? By taking a top QB as the #3 pick you are insuring yourself a top notch player with your pick but by taking Fred Taylor you are giving up a top QB and you end up with a second teer RB and QB by the end of the draft for your starting roster.
I guess that is how the game is played though and that is why we have these discussions now. We each have our own strategies and thought processes and that is what makes fantasy sports so fun.
Gary
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| 70 | kev
ID: 36925310
Tue, Jul 17, 18:06
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Widdle- I never knew they were all starting. In most drafts, you do have a bench...so I figured this one would too.
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| 71 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Tue, Jul 17, 19:35
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Hey MIKED-
I wasn't ripping your pick of TG...just secondguessing ;) Isn't that what this is all about?
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| 72 | JKaye
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Tue, Jul 17, 21:53
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Good thoughts Gary. However, my angle is that you are more likely to get a surprising QB(witness: Culpepper, Grbac, Gannon, Garcia, Mcnabb last year) than you are a surprising RB. RB go much quicker and if you pass on one in round 1, it is harder to get a solid onen than it is to fill the QB need. To each his own.
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| 73 | Gary
ID: 765918
Tue, Jul 17, 23:06
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True JKaye but it is easier compete it you have at least a superstar who is a sure thing. So why take a Taylor who is injury prone over a Manning who is in a proven system with a support staff to work with. We both have good points and probably could do this for days so lets agree to disagree;)LOL
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| 74 | Motley Crue
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ID: 104432913
Wed, Jul 18, 06:44
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I chose Fred Taylor with the third pick, and I will explain the logic behind that.
1) The best draft strategy I have seen is to take a RB in the first round. Unfortunately, there aren't 10 RB's worth taking in round 1, because Warner, Moss, and Culpepper are probably better value at their positions than the 8th, 9th, and 10th ranked RB's. What this means is that the first 5 picks (at least) should be RB's--it gets hairy at that point, because after Faulk, James, Taylor, George, and J. Lewis, there is a pretty substantial drop-off. I am pretty sure that we can all agree that, barring injury, these 5 RB's will have very solid fantasy seasons.
Now in our draft, these 5 went in Round 1, and then the next RB taken was C. Martin (which is a reach given that S. Davis was still available--but I like the pick just the same)in round 2. This means that the guys we have drafting don't all follow the take RB's first philosophy, and that's fine. But if you go into round 2 NEEDING a RB, then you could be in trouble, especially if you don't pick early in the round. This brings me to...
2) The guy who I was picking for picked #3 in round 1, which means he would have waited 14 picks before it was his turn again. I'm sorry, but the Big 5 RB's would have been gone for sure by then. And I'll concede having Warner or Culpepper at QB is a sure thing, but my opinion is that there will be about 5 QB's drafted in rounds 5-10 that will be standouts this season. If this is a correct assumption (and given historical trends, it is safe to rely on), then you have to take one of the Big 5 if one is available when you pick.
The implication I am making here is that I would take any of the Big 5 before Culpepper, Warner, and Moss. That is true. For many of you, getting Warner in the 6 spot is mind-boggling. It shouldn't be, fellas. I have never played in a league where the shallow pool of stud RB's should be overlooked in favor of the deeper stock of top flight QB's. The scoring system would have to be outrageously weighted towards QB's to even consider taking one ahead of Faulk, James, Taylor, George, or Jamal Lewis. Sure our system will have your QB's outscoring your RB's, but ALL of the QB's should generally outscore ALL of the RB's. This type of weighting system combined with the abundance of solid quarterbacks puts a premium on quality RB's.
Finally, there is Taylor's injury history to consider. He has never played a full season, but he has also never missed more than 6 games in a season. Not like he has been tearing his MCL every year. He has still averaged 1120 rushing yards and almost 11 TD's a year. He has a 4.7 ypc average. If I get 13 games out of him, I'm satisfied picking him 3rd with those numbers. The point I am trying to make is that Taylor is worth the risk. I wouldn't argue with you if you took George or J. Lew instead.
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| 75 | Motley Crue
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Wed, Jul 18, 08:09
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natedog had two good RB's and Culpepper so he needed a WR. Moulds is the go-to guy on a team that will presumably be passing a good deal. I am not sold on Rob Johnson yet, but Moulds' playmaking ability is too great to ignore. He can only make Johnson, and Buffalo's offense better. Fourth round material, no doubt.
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| 76 | Gary
ID: 765918
Wed, Jul 18, 10:29
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Thanks Motley Crue for breaking down your reasoning. I understand your reasoning now. That is why we have a mock draft so we can break it down and see what the people are thinking.
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| 77 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Wed, Jul 18, 12:04
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I really don't want Tiki right now, since JKaye isn't here i'm gonna pick someone else.
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| 79 | beastiemiked
ID: 430122212
Wed, Jul 18, 12:13
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Well went with one of my sleepers, Priest Holmes. If he stays healthy he should pile on some good yardage from running and receiving.
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| 80 | natedog
ID: 146161813
Wed, Jul 18, 13:19
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beastiemiked, I like Priest Holmes too. I have tried to pick him up in all previous mocks. I think he should have a good year, but others think that Tony Richardson will take away too many of his carries to make him valuable. I, like you, disagree. I think if Richardson was going to make a case for himself, he would have by now...Also, I think that Vermiel thinks he can use Holmes in a Marshall Faulk style. We'll see how well that comes true...
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| 81 | JKaye
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Wed, Jul 18, 15:36
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Went with the best WR out there IMO, Derrick Alexander. I have set my team to have 2 RB and 2 WR so far. Round 5 is where I'd like to get a QB. I considered taking one here, but I am confident one will fall to the next round that I like.
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| 82 | Motley Crue
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Thu, Jul 19, 06:11
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adam777 needed a WR (he had none) and I grabbed him one of the all time greats. Unlike THE all time great (Rice), Carter still has enough juice left in the tank to have a big season. As this is his last year, I think he'll want to go out in style by putting up great numbers. He certainly is on the right team for it.
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| 83 | Motley Crue
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Thu, Jul 19, 10:55
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kev also needed a WR after not getting one in rounds 1-3, so I drafted him the biggest stud still available. Brown has certainly aged gracefully in the NFL and is still a Top 15 (if not Top 10) WR. He should be near the top again this year playing for Oakland, a traditional running team. Even running teams need one big dog to make the big plays, and that is Tim Brown for the Raiders.
I took Thomlinson because I think my RB stable is safe with Green and James, and I decided now was the time to take a calculated risk. From what I've read, this kid has looked fantastic in workouts--I keep hearing the phrase "the real deal." I hope so.
I plan to take another WR after Fletch makes his 2 picks. Then, starting in round 6, I can look at QB's and TE's, which there are plenty of left--good ones, that is.
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| 84 | WiddleAvi
ID: 2102389
Thu, Jul 19, 11:52
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Damn you MC !! I was hoping Thomlinson would be available for my next pick !!
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| 85 | Fletch
ID: 115542819
Thu, Jul 19, 14:29
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I wanted to solidfy my starting five with picks 4 and 5. Adding David Boston, and Kevin Johnson. Gives me a decent crop to work with in:
QB- Trent Green
RB-Marshall Faulk
RB- Charlie Garner
WR- Kevin Johnson
WR- David Boston
Boston is a solid player who gets plenty of rec's, and I think Kevin Johnson will have a standout year, as I am expecting Tim Couch to increase all of his stats from last year. Next round, I will grab the best TD on the board, and start working on back ups. I Wanted Thomlinson though MC. :)
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| 86 | kev
ID: 36925310
Thu, Jul 19, 21:52
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With a stud QB, and 2 stud RB's, and Tim Brown, I was at a tough point. I had my eyes on a couple other recievers, but decided on jumping on Keyshawn Johnson. Hopefully Dungy lets Johnson throw him the damn ball.
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| 87 | kev
ID: 36925310
Sat, Jul 21, 00:02
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Just going over the list of WR's gone, I made a big mistake. Really, I would have taken Joe Horn where I had Tim Brown taken. I missed him again on the way up with Keyshawn.
What are your thoughts on Joe Horn? Is there a reason he is falling so far?
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| 88 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Sat, Jul 21, 10:25
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I selected the best on the board all the way around. I was surprised that Horn fell so far as well.
As for the George/Favre swing, I think George is going to have a better year. Favre has been in decline for 4 straight years but he's still the best on the board after George.
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| 89 | WiddleAvi
ID: 346231015
Sat, Jul 21, 11:12
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ummm Big Russ.....YOu skipped a few turn there !!! Nate dog was supposed to big then me then Bodacious tatahs THEN YOU !!!
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| 90 | WiddleAvi
ID: 346231015
Sat, Jul 21, 11:18
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I don't plan on picking Joe Horn right now but I don't think it's right if BIG RUSS selects for anyone right now since he is up soon......I thought we agreed that if someone isn't around then they will be default get the best on the board.....If you are surprised, BIG RUSS, that Joe horn was still around you should have given him to the previous person !! Anyway someone should pick for Nate Dog then I can go....then BT Can go AND THEN BIG RUSS can make his 2 picks
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| 91 | kev
ID: 36925310
Sat, Jul 21, 23:27
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Picks up to and including TahTahs pick of Jeff George, and excluding nates duplicate pick of Jeff Garcia....natedog is STILL on the clock- BIG RUSS's picks are excluded.
QB's taken-
Manning
Warner
Culpepper
Griese
Garcia
Green
McNabb
Gannon
George
RB's taken-
Marshall Faulk
Edge James
Fred Taylor
Eddie George
Jamal Lewis
Curtis Martin
Ricky Williams
Stephen Davis
Ahman Green
Charlie Garner
Corey Dillion
Terrel Davis
James Stewart
Jamal Anderson
Lamar Smith
Ricky Watters
Duce Staley
Warrick Dunn
Jerome Bettis
Priest Holmes
Ladian Thomlinson
Tiki Barber
Emmit Smith
WR's
Terrell Owens
Randy Moss
Marvin Harrison
Isaac Bruce
Torry Holt
Rod Smith
Eric Moulds
Derrick Alexander
Tim Brown
Cris Carter
David Boston
Kevin Johnson
Ed McAffery
Keyshawn Johnson
TE's
Tony Gonzalez
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| 92 | WiddleAvi
ID: 346231015
Sun, Jul 22, 01:08
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Tatahs pick of george should not be included since it out of order..He is supposed to pick after me.
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| 93 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Sun, Jul 22, 23:21
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OOPS!!!!
Sorry...A bit overzealous!
I'm away on business and online far less than usual. I didn't want to miss my picks and I thought it was BT's turn (he's not participating) and then me so I wanted to go.
I'm sure we can sort this out.
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| 94 | WiddleAvi
ID: 346231015
Mon, Jul 23, 07:41
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I went with one of the top WR's out there....Jimmy Smith
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| 95 | Motley Crue
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ID: 101010298
Mon, Jul 23, 10:43
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Tahtah's got his QB, and I think people have really overlooked Grbac. Despite all the predictions that Baltimore will always be a run first offense, I think we may be a little surprised at how good Grbac's numbers look at the end of 2001. A solid frontline QB, and in honesty, the guy I wanted for my team.
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| 96 | WiddleAvi
ID: 346231015
Mon, Jul 23, 18:43
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I went and picked Michael Bennet. From what I read and hear it sounds like he will be a solid back. While I don't like picking unproven rookies I needed a second back that has potential. I feel now I have 2 Great QB's in Greise & Mcnabb, 2 Good RB's in Bettis & Bennett, And 2 top WR's in Smith & Owens !!
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| 97 | adam777
ID: 416182415
Wed, Jul 25, 01:39
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Brooks does come with a bit of a risk, but has a nice upside.
As for my pick, Hasselbeck...very unproven, but worth the risk in the 6th round I think. I started to take a WR, but there is much more depth at WR than QB left now.
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| 98 | kev
ID: 36925310
Wed, Jul 25, 06:45
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I too, was going to pick my backup QB to Garcia here, but I think there will still be someone on the way back. Peter Warrick is a great 3rd WR, to go with Keyshawn and Tim Brown.
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| 99 | adam777
ID: 416182415
Wed, Jul 25, 20:20
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Galloway certainly comes with risk, but he's about the best risk/reward guy left I think.
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| 100 | Motley Crue
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ID: 101010298
Fri, Jul 27, 08:24
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Tahtah's 7th rounder, Freddie Jones, is one of the Top 5 TE in the league and with Flutie throwing to him rather than Leaf, and Co., his numbers should improve alot. He is one of the best offensive players on the Chargers also, definitely ahead of their mediocre WR's.
I noticed that the run on TE's had begun, so I figured I'd pick Tahtah's third RB after Russ picks his 2 (and I know I'll still get who I want because Russ is full at the position) and go TE now.
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| 101 | natedog
ID: 576192714
Fri, Jul 27, 14:29
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While I know it's bad form to take two players from the same offence (especially a TE and WR), I just couldn't pass up this combo. With a QB who loves TE's, Bubba Franks has the ability to be a top fantasy TE. Also, there is absolutely no way that Freeman should be available here. I have read a number of discussions about his recent shortcoming on other boards, but, lets face it...any one of us should rather have him than any of the other more dubious choices available.
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| 102 | Gary
ID: 765918
Fri, Jul 27, 15:17
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Could someone please post a round by round update so I can study it better thank.
Keep up the good work this is invaluable information.
Gary
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| 103 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jul 27, 16:20
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Selected Az for his big play capability, he should get numerous touchdowns as a punt returner and WR.
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| 104 | Motley Crue
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ID: 16647306
Mon, Jul 30, 06:57
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I grabbed Testaverde in Round 8. I had been eyeballing him the whole draft, and I didn't want to give Fletch a chance to take him before I pick again next round (since Fletch still needs a QB, too.)
I saved the TE and K positions for rounds 9 and 10. I decided this was the best draft strategy early on (after Tony Gonzalez was drafted) since the rest of the tight ends are really a crap shoot and will virtually NEVER outpoint the 3 main positions (QB, RB, WR), especially with our scoring system. And since only 10 K's will be chosen, I am not really worried about missing out on a "stud." The studs change from year to year anyway (Gary and Morten Anderson in `98, Hollis and Kasay in `99, and Stover and Akers in `00), so I figure to just draft a consistent, dome-home guy (Vanderjagt, Hanson, maybe Mare).
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| 105 | kev
ID: 36925310
Mon, Jul 30, 19:18
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Fletch needed a second QB, a Keeker, and a TE. I went with Brunell, because if healthy, they still have a ton of offensive weapons.
Then with his TE, I took a flyer on Wesley Walls. He has always been the safety blanket for the Panthers, and even though he doesnt have a great QB, he should return from injury and be a good pick.
MC's up again. And I know he cant take my guy!
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| 106 | BIG RUSS
ID: 0853519
Thu, Aug 02, 11:44
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I'm all done with my last two picks. My team is
QB-Kerry Collins
QB-Kordell Stewart
RB-Curtis Martin
RB-Duce Staley
RB-Warrick Dunn
WR-Randy Moss
WR-Joe Horn
WR-Mushin Muhammad
TE-Chad Lewis
PK-Joe Nedney
I like my team for the most part, not bad for choosing 10th. QB is a bit suspect but I think they'll do OK.
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| 107 | WiddleAvi
ID: 57730112
Thu, Aug 02, 12:06
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BIG RUSS since you are done how about picking for BT ?? then I will make my pick
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| 108 | WiddleAvi
ID: 57730112
Thu, Aug 02, 13:01
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Natedog you are up and have till 8:00pm tonight
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