Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 11:50
Please use this thread dor all discussion during the draft.
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:13
If it helps: Mario Williams is not available to be picked #1.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:13
Reggie "I should have been #1" Bush is off the board (yawn).
I have a couple e-mails on the 5th pick, so I will be looking over them.
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Myboyjack
ID: 27651610 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:32
I don't know why I even humored myself with the pipe-dream that Maroney would fall to me at #10.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:34
I forgot to mention in the draft thread, but it's common knowledge to try and refrain from mentioning draft-eligible players. They must be in the CBS database to be draftable (or kept).
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:39
And, I'm assuming we are picking up the players as we draft them, right?
I'm going to need a commishioner to do this for my choices tomorrow.
Species will be drafting for me on Fri.
From my 106 player Queue. If we get far enough along today, I'll be able to cut it back a little.
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:41
Yes, picking up your player and emailing the next 3 managers.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:51
Well, I had several considerations here. A number of trade opportunities, but I went ahead and took Leinart who could be my QB of the future or trade bait. We will see. I thought he could last a few more picks, but didn't get an offer today from any teams in that range.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:57
Dude, after your great fortune of winning the lottery and somehow manaing to get the 5th pick as well, you have no excuse to not breakin gthat long losing streak! In fact, you could easily turn your team around this season and compete like smallwhirled did last year. Nice picks. A little USC-heavy perhaps, but can't blame you there! ;)
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:04
This years number 1 and last years number 1 at 5. Not bad skineej.
StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:26
I can't imagine who is going to be left #24 :(
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Dan
ID: 2477520 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:26
Ref, you should've made me an offer I had a tough time with that pick!
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:41
I had a tough time too. That isn't who I planned on drafting, but I didn't feel like I could pass him up.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:53
Arghh, Ya guys are making life tough. I'm willing to deal still. And don't forget, I'm out of pocket starting tomorrow for who knows how long.
Cliff
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:00
Ref re:8, I nearly made it the other USC combo as I originaly had White ranked 4th just before Williams and Leinart. I dropped White down a little of late, but he can still be a solid guy in the future.
TB, I knew you'd take Bell at 7 if he was there after our previous discussions. I seriously considered him, especially after the last preseason game. He could easily end up being the best player of this draft this year and the next few in that offense.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:01
Yokel, you need to repick, Mike Bell is already taken.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:10
The draft continues and yokel may repick at any time. Ds is on teh clock.
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:11
I posted my Phone number on the CBS board.
Please call me if I'm up.
AF-
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:15
Not trying to question your decision as the commish, but shouldn't we give Yokel at least his 4 hour time limit to correct his mistake?
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smallwhirled
ID: 31759511 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:16
10 picks until I'm up, I'll leave a queue before I start partying around 9:30 or so.....so there won't be a holdup tonight.
A taem can defintiely be turned around in one year since the value of draft picks drops off so significantly in this league. Obviously top of the order in the 1st round is a million times more valuable than the end of the first round. All it took last year was an impact rookie (Caddy), and a keeper that I believed in that finally got into a good situation (L Jordan).
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:20
Vincent off the board. Dan's up, emails going out.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:20
At the risk of impertinence, before this blows up I'll state my agreement with tb 21.
Toral
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:23
my bad, MBJ's up - different email to be sent. ;)
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:24
me 3
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:27
my bad Doug, trying to hurry and misread. emails sent to MBJ, coldwater, & goatlocker.
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:34
LOL, no worries... I meant my post as a 3rd voice of agreement w/ posts 21 and 24
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Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 321046813 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:39
my bad, I swear I checked that list 3 times - thought I picked 7th, too much shit going on at work. Young was next in my queue, so I'm confused as to what to do. I'll make two picks - cancel the one that's not ruled acceptable.
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Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 321046813 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:45
again, I apologize, just let me know who I've got. It was my fault - it actually took me 20 minutes after typing in Bell's name to hit submit as I kept getting interrupted.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:47
Let me talk to ref. We will temporarily halt the draft.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:53
From the intitial pos tin the draft thread...
Please check the FA list on the site before you draft so there are no duplicate picks. After you make your pick, please go straight to CBS and add your player, then send a message to the next three teams and let them know they are up. That way the teams behind you will be ready and will know all the players who are available to be drafted. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. It is wise to continue to check the draft thread and discussion thread for a few mins after you pick. If everyone follows these directions, this mistake should not occur.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:00
The intent of the rule does seem clear, and I guess the rule should prevail.
The rule isn't perfectly specific, though. It says "the draft will continue". It doesn't say that the picking player loses his time, or that the next player in line is up. The phrase could merely be interpreted to mean "the draft won't stop".
However as I said I agree the intent of the rule is clear.
Toral
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:02
The unusual aspect of the situation is that's it's happening so early, when a draft pick still has considerable value.
Toral
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Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 321046813 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:10
I'll take Kitna - proceed with the draft. (hopefully, lesson learned...)
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:10
I don't think there's any question as to the letter of the rules... deepsnapper did nothing wrong and that technically the draft COULD continue indefinitely without him picking. But I think it's more a situation of "Hey guys, someone screwed up, let's not over-penalize him by just running ahead as quickly as possible... let's give him a chance to correct the mistake". It's the gentlemanly thing to do, IMHO.
So, personally, I have no problem with him missing out on Vince Young, it's the price he pays for making the mistake (lose a draft slot)... but I would have been very unhappy to see him show up 5, 10, or more picks from now and go "WTF happened?" and have completely missed out on a chance to have a top-10 pick (essentially being penalized a half-round or more)... particularly since it was clearly a case of confusion on the owner's behalf... not like he just totally neglected to be here, etc.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:15
Ref and I discussed this and the rules have to prevail in this instance. It is unfortunate this happened and we sympathize with SY, but it isn't right to penalize deepsnapper in this circumstance, given the fact that ref's post said to continue on, per our rules.
This might be something we want to talk about in the future. I agree with Doug about a person missing out on lots of picks due to life getting in the way.
I think this is something we can put a rule modification in for next year to address in some form or other.
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Perm Dude
ID: 51716249 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:17
Doesn't he get four hours to get a correct pick in? Seems to me the probably was that ref said to go ahead rather than Yokel being technically past some sort of limit, the result of which is the draft continues.
I'm not blaming ref or snap. Just trying to clarify.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:17
I like Doug's post very much and I agree with him. The reason the rule was put in there was because we had several players pick unavailable players then they'd leave and then time-out. Then not only are they skipped but we lose 4 hours or so and they get charged 4 hours on their draft time. Then no one is happy. I had to leave right when I posted and just got back when I posted the exerpt from the drafting rules. I would have liked to email Yokel right away as I'm guessing Cards or someone else was able to do so.
Again, firm but fair. Again, I think Doug encompassed that with his post. If someone has a better idea to tweak this in the future, we are always up for better ways of doing things.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:20
PD, no the rules have always been that you post a duplicate pick at your own risk, and the draft moves on at that point in time. There is no allocation of a correction time window as of now, but maybe that can be added in the future.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:20
And if ya got a good way to set up a 106 player Queue, I'd love to hear it LOL
:)
UGHH, hopefully my whole draft other than the first pick won't come from my queue.
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:20
FWIW, I personally like Kitna much better than Young in the short-term and to be honest I'm not completely sold on Young in the long-run.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:22
I agree with how you guys handled it, but I think in the future if it is noted that a duplicate pick is made, we should halt the draft until their time is up and then move forward.
I cleaned up the draft thread to reflect the correct picks. I left the post where you restarted the clock in case the cumulative clock comes into play.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:25
"If you make a duplicate pick in the first round, you will receive your full original allotted time to correct it and the next player may not pick until you time out. If you make a duplicate pick in later rounds, the draft will continue, with the next player being entitled to pick and you may correct that pick at any time.
Accepts the risk of an annoying time-out to avoid screwing someone in the first round.
Toral
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:29
How about this:
"If you make a duplicate pick for your fist pick, you will receive your full original allotted time to correct it and the next player may not pick until you time out. If you make a duplicate pick for later picks, the draft will continue, with the next player being entitled to pick and you may correct that pick at any time."
This works for somebody having two or three first round picks and making dupes on all :)
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:31
draft was halted from 3:47 to 4:09 and the person up will not be charged with the time from that period.
TB, that was the original rule but was changed after year one because that person usually ended up timing out and we waste about 4 hrs or so as tehy didn't know they made a duplicate pick and did no hang around for a few mins for someone to tell them. We try and remind them to make sure the player is available, check the draft thread, claim your player and email the next three. then go back to draft thread and hang out a few mins to make sure.
Yokel messed up because he thought he was up ebfore TB and TB posted before him as it took him a long time to complete his post. It's an innocent mistake. But when the player wasn't in the db or if he hung out for a few mins, he could have fixed it. He's busy at work, so he might not have been able to do so. Again, we can't always do things how and when we want. FTR, other people have done the same thing in the past and been skipped and they fixed it when the found it. This isn't a precedent. Again, open to ideas to make it more fair to an individual and the league as a whole.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:32
;) gl. We could also restrict the rule to the first 8 picks or so, because after that they aren't worth a pitcher of warm spit.
Toral
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:34
I wouldnt' say that, I'm havin a heck of a time with 1.11. 4 players that could still turn a team around, and maybe more. :)
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:35
re: 44 and 45, sounds good, but again that manager needs to hang next to his email/boards for a little while after his pick so we don't lose 4 hours. We've also had issues with someone q that gets exhausted and the DP can't pick for him. We are told he won't be here, yet we are forced to wait 4 hours for the next guy to pick because we don't have any way to move on until then.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:37
Toral do you have mbj's Q?
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:37
but again that manager needs to hang next to his email/boards for a little while after his pick so we don't lose 4 hours
Agreed, but that admonition is already in the rules.
Duplicate pix in round 1 are going to be caused by unusual circumstances, like today's, and hence rare.
Toral
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:44
I agree Cliff, last year my pick 1.15 was Mike Anderson :)
Hopefully he will find a way to be valuable again this year too.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:54
For GO via email who can't post from work but can read the boards thank to a work around that Guru set up for him...
from the desk of the NYJ GM GO I'll be home around 8 this evening. Please continue all trade and drafting discussion at my personal gmail this evening. Can I just draft (name deleted) right now and be done with it? :) GO Jets!
see how that GO abbreviation and the Jets name works so well together!? I love it.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 16:54
Pick made. Next 3 emailed.
Back to my Queue
Cliff
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Twarpy
ID: 225292214 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:38
Curious as to how everyone would rate the top 5 rookie RB's theres been a lot of discussion on this topic on many boards and I think it would be interesting to see what everyone in our keeper league thought.
Over 3 years (Keeper League like ours) I had them in the following order.
1)Bush 2)Maroney 3)Williams 4)Addai 5)Lendale
On other boards Bush was a consensus #1, Maroney in a lot of rankings was either loved or hated I found, Williams/Addai was usually a solid #2-3, and Lendale a lot of people had soured on.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:41
I'd put them just like you did Twarpy. I love Maroney - he may be as productive, fantasy-wise, as Bush in the long run.
I'd put White ahead of Addai, except that I thik=nk his poor work habits are going to make him an injury risk.
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smallwhirled
ID: 31759511 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:14
Queue sent to Goatlocker, he won't open it until I'm up. I told him to try and hand it off if I'm about to pick in the early morning because I doubt I'll be up before noon.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:35
It's starting to look like CCRider's Bears are going to time out. Anyone have a different email than what is listed on the site for him?
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:47
Not I, only one I have for him is the CBS one.
Cliff
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Slackjawed Yokel Leader
ID: 052347519 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:47
by the way, thanks to those of you who sent me emails after my earlier snafu... but unfortunately, I'm not in the habit of checking my yahoo mail from work. Maybe I need to start doing that during drafts, though.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 20:48
Has he been active at all? He completely deserted our Poli League without a trace. ANy CC sightings lately?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:04
I sent ccr a trade offer a couple of weeks before the deadline and he didn't get back to me until after the deadline and I said, well it's too late now, please post your keeps in our keeper thread. Other than that, he did respond that he was coming back.
FWIW, I am working on the waiting list as I always do. Been a little lax this year as everyone came back after GO replaced rfs after last season.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:11
I've literally had guys in our league that didn't know or forgot that the draft started today. Unbelievable to me. I don't know what else I can do. Still getting emails asking where the thread is. Thanks to Toral for picking as soon as he was allowed. We can't afford to get too many more timeouts--esp. through the week. If we have to go to 2 hour qs or shorter we will, but will try and put that off as long as possible.
We used to have a rule that if you time out twice you'd be replaced, but I replaced rfs' rule with the cumulative clock rule and that's really helped. Hate to remove people in a Keeper League unless we absolutely feel it's best for the league.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:15
Ref - check the AA draft thread...
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CCRider
ID: 4646420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:34
Sorry...I have zero access to this at work. I will send my cell # to Ref & StLCards.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:35
Thanks ds. that league is whacky. Doing my best to get through it, but it's unlike any league I've ever been in before. Hope Pete doesn't hate me fot talking him into playing last night.
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Perm Dude
ID: 51716249 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:41
With all due respect fellas (#55, et al), we need to keep undrafted names off the board.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:42
He's too hung over to give a sh*t right now. I doubt if he remembers joining if it was after 10pm.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:42
PD, he waited until they were all picked before posting that.
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Twarpy Leader
ID: 386242821 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:44
PD, those guys went in the top 6 picks.
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Perm Dude
ID: 51716249 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:44
My apologies. I didn't see him in the draft thread, and he's still listed as available on CBS. My bad.
pd
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:04
Did someone call AF? with the phone number he emailed to the league?
If he picks, I have CT's q.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 22:09
AF took CT's first player, but luckily he had a 2 man Q. I'm emailing the next 3 now for CT...
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:06
Anyone up for a Q for me?
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:08
I am getting ready to crash, but can post it in the morning once the Saints pick.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:10
ref
I'll be around for a couple of hours
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:16
Cool. I'm looking for a backup pick right now...my guess is that toral has went to bed for the night but I might send this to each of you if you dont mind.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:19
I'll likely need to send someone a queue in the morning as I am going to be gone all day from about 11ET on. Hopefully it gets to me, but doesn't really look like it.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 00:21
I don't pick for 52 more selections, so if anyone wants to send me a queue for tomorrow's picks, I will be free until about 8 PM Central. My cell # is also posted at the league site so if you need an update or something you can call.
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 02:02
Sending queue to TB
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 08:55
I'm going to be out of here shortly. No way could I do the huge queue and make any sense of it. Will send what I have to TB, Ref, STL. As soon as I'm back will let everybody know. If it just runs out. Just skip me.
Cliff
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beastiemiked
ID: 257102415 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 09:29
Queue sent to Twarpy and STL.
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 10:43
I don't know the likelihood of the draft making it through an entire round today, but FYI I'm on the road all day and expect to check in tonight.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 10:50
It pained me to watch those picks go as that was my whole queue before kicker, although I had Losman at the top of my list. When it got to within two picks I opened bmd's queue and those were his picks too, but I still had a shot at Losman if Randle El didn't get taken by Pete.
Oh Well, probably better off taking my kicker now anyway. At least I have a Ram to root for now.
With that pick I'm gone for the day.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:02
Looks like I have missed a pick in that chart.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:06
OK. I found it. Missed TB's pick in all of that confusion.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:08
I thought I took closer to 25 minutes than 0. Couldn't decide whether to take Bell, Young, or try to trade down. In hindsight, I wish I tried to trade down because a player I wanted was available further down.
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Perm Dude
ID: 19740257 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:16
Will pick in just a couple. Have to cross off names from my "wish list."
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:19
tb i just missed it initialy. It is 25 mins and already put it in the chart. If it's blank that means there was no pick. Otherwise I'll put a 0:00 in it.
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Perm Dude
ID: 19740257 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 11:29
OK, took Gabriel. Hopefully he'll hold off Porter.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:10
I've got GL's queue along with the commishes. He is the Chargers, right?? Pick 2.10?
PD - Porter is not in the Raiders doghouse. He's in the OUThouse. Gabriel looks like good value there.
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Perm Dude
ID: 19740257 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:12
Yeah, Gabriel is a guy who might just realize his potential this year. Porter is a whiner.
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Twarpy
ID: 225292214 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:49
Species in g24 football threads now, whats next he's gonna start PSA's on GL's players too?
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:52
As soon as he cuts me a check for my consultant's fee, Twarpy.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:08
I just got off the phone with Promize and made his selection for him. If one of the commishes could put that player on his team I would appreciate it.
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Promize@Shhh..work
ID: 41762510 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:32
I confirm I talked to TB, thanks all who called me... Now I must go.
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skinneej Leader
ID: 040625911 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:19
Pick made. E-mailing next three.
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:38
I'll be away from approximately 7:30 - 11:00 Eastern time for Cliff's pick if it gets to him. Commishes notified as a backup.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:21
Pick made - 3 emails out.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:46
I may be in and out.
You know it occurs to me. We had a proposal a couple years ago that had very little support but it was to add a return man into our game. While researching some IDP players for this RIDC league I'm in, it occurred to me, has anyone ever brought up the idea os using IDP players at all in this league? I'm not making a proposal as that would really change the makeup of our league and implementing it could be a nightmare. But, just a fleeting thought of how return yards could be incorporated for someone like (name deleted) who would score points there but also play other positions. Don't get me wrong, I love how we have things now--just thought we could get some conversation going to pass the time of the draft and the "who is up" boredom.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:49
When you invited me to the league last year and told me nine keepers, I expected to see about 6 defensive starters per team.
People are drafting kickers in the first round of the draft.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:52
I have GL's Q and am going to select the 2nd person on it (first was drafted) in about 5 minutes to make sure another queue holder doesn't do the same thing.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:28
Who can take a queue for pick 1.14 (only; do not use for 1.19)?
Toral
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Twarpy Leader
ID: 386242821 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:33
TB just wait until round 5, rebuilding takes a lot of luck and several years of 1st round dratf picks that pan out if your team suddenly gets hit with the career threatening bug.
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:36
I sent a queue to ref.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:39
Toral - you can send it on to me to as I'm not up for awhile.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:39
No doubt, Twarpy, it's obvious that it takes time to build a team. But for those that were adamant that having less than 9 keepers would "ruin" the league, what other league have you ever played in that drafts kickers in the first round? 2nd round? 3rd round? ...
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Toral
ID: 52621719 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:41
Queue sent to deepsnapper.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:45
Confirmed Toral.
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Twarpy Leader
ID: 386242821 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:55
TB, its always fun when you have two midlevel kickers and are deciding which one to keep as your 9th keeper, tough decisions last year I tell you.
Next year its going to be which 4 string RB or WR to keep, but at least its an improvement.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 22:35
Saints D picked for Toral's Saints.
Action Figures will be home and take Schaub off CBS in a little while. Commish assistance needed for Toral's selection.
3 emails sent.
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blackjackis21
ID: 57441312 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 00:26
Anyone up for a one-man queue?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 00:30
To me having as many keepers as we do makes it more interesting. I'm already in a keeper league where you keep 3. This isn't that league. Like has been said many times before, this is more like a dynasty league. Personally I like having something different from the norm. It's true that a kicker was drafted in round 1, and true that you wouldn't find that in a typical keeper league, but then again show me a keeper league that half the league or more keeps a kicker period.
The only players left on my team from my original draft are Jake Plummer (2nd round) and Shockey (drafted 3rd round), and that was 2002. The only reason I drafted them so high was because I figured they were young and would be decent keepers. One of my keepers (Anderson) I got last year as pick 1.15, and another keeper I got the year before also as a late pick in round 1 (Brandon Lloyd). People making early first round picks will reap huge dividends as their players come into their own. Certainly they will have more long term value than Holmes and Lloyd for me. Priest Holmes ruled supreme in this league for 2 years and Ref was unbeatable. Now I expect LJ, who has been held for years, is about to make his presence known.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 01:29
I got priest in the middle of the first round our first year and that helped, but remember, he was hurt every singly solitary year and I won the first two championships with him on my bench. Finally, I had enough and traded him last year to rfs. I only wish I'd have taken chambers instead of porter and fineran!!! Now I'm reading where Priest might not come back until the middle of the season or next year? Why would he even come back at all? He said over and over again that he's 100% sure he'd be back and ready to start the season. So much for that!
Constructive criticism is normally very positive for all. But this league was designed to be very difficult and force managers to be active and know their stuff. Impossible to make it as active as our baseball league with the short season and short bench. But digging for that 5th WR that gets you a TD or is a diamond in the rough is even more fun at times--esp on your stud is on his bye week. This year we will have up to 6 rounds to trade so maybe that helps a smidge. In the meantime, we're always taking suggestions to make it better.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 01:37
I had no doubt that Priest's career was finished when he got hurt last year and still believe it to be true. I didn't think that trade was the best one that outgoing manager could have made.
I am cool with how the league is, but anything could always be made better. Maybe a couple years down the road when the teams that are great right now have bad teams, we can incorporate defensive IDPs. Say, 5 starters and add only one more keeper. Then the draft might even be exciting. Or who knows, maybe we transcend into a league that doesn't use kickers or defenses, or we add 8 more teams and start offensive lineman and give points for pancake blocks. I dunno, just random thoughts. =)
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 01:51
Offensive lineman, LOL, now we're talking. Why would we have to wait a couple years down the road when great teams become bad to have IDP? Personally I couldn't even tell you who the great teams are going to be this year. Despite what may have been said or implied, you would be wrong to assume that only teams that have been successful like the league as it is.
I think we are all open to change. Obviously adding IDP would be a big change, but if that's what people want, then we could figure out a way to incorporate it.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 01:57
I was being a little silly, but it is almost 1 am and that is the appropriate time to be silly. I have never seen or heard of a league that played offensive linemen.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 01:59
Sounds to me like you're saying that the good teams are opposed to change. Funny someone else said that exact same thing to me earlier today. Thing is that I saw the votes to knock it down to 8 keeps. It's funny how the votes were all over the place. Bad teams voting for 9 and good teams voting for 8 and vice versa.
We tend to make a tweak or change every year to make things better. Proposals come from league members and are passed most of the time they go to a vote. I think people do like change but they want to have an idea it will be good for the league as a whole before voting to change just to change. Some vote based simply on how their team is right that minute--but that is generally a minority.
I wasn't trying to start any drama, just thought we could talk about some hypotheticals or somethng other than who's pick it was as we waited for the draft to get to us. Btw, I stole (copied) Promize's avatar and going to incorporate that somewhere.
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smallwhirled
ID: 31759511 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 10:11
Anyone take blackjackis' queue last night?
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 10:41
OK All, Updated Status. And Really good news. Was too drugged and groggy last nite to post this. I'm sore and will be for a few days. Heck of a spot where they go in at. Anyway, was a false positive from the Stress Test. All looks good. In fact, the 60% blockage they saw in 2001 is gone. So, good flow throughout the heart and no issues. That is great news. Now if they can just figure the constant tiredness out, I should be good to go. Thanks to all for the help with the drafts and the prayers and well wishes. I sure am a believer that the prayers work.
Cliff
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 11:07
Great news Cliff!
If it's just constant tiredness, that's easy to figure out. It's draft season. Just have to quit staying up so late researching and waiting for the next pick ;)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 12:48
Just got in, let me find my notes and see who was taken and I'll pick in a few.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 13:00
Cliff - Really great news. Glad to hear the ticker is in good shape. Take it easy for a little while though buddy and recover, you can be sure they'll find a deficiency somewhere to charge you extra for as the reason for the tiredness. ;)
You'll have to share that queue one of these days after the draft is over. It must be a doozy.
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beastiemiked
ID: 257102415 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 13:00
Queue sent to STL and Twarpy.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 13:36
Thanks all for the comments.
Odds are they will blame the tiredness on the Pre-Diabetes. That's the other ongoing battle.
Cliff
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Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 14:27
SWEET news Cliff. No Davy Jones' locker for you! lol Good to hear it buddy.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 17:23
Sounds to me like you're saying that the good teams are opposed to change. Funny someone else said that exact same thing to me earlier today. Thing is that I saw the votes to knock it down to 8 keeps. It's funny how the votes were all over the place. Bad teams voting for 9 and good teams voting for 8 and vice versa.
It was just my perception, but if someone else said it too then maybe it's because we didn't get to see who voted for it. We could be wrong. I went back to last years thread because it seemed like more people were in favor of less keepers. Some wanted it right away and others wanted to wait a year. Like I said, we didn't get to see which way each team voted only who was more outspoken about it in discussion. We had an anonymous poll last year and then you collected email votes this year. If I saw which teams wanted 9 keepers and which wanted less I am sure I could form a more accurate opinion.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 18:52
I've been asked several times to keep the voting private, but if the league wants me to post who voted for what after each vote is done, I'd be happy to do so.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:04
RE: 128
The draft is a tool that will tell everyone else when a person's c clock times out. As soon as their c clock times out, (just like the per pick clock) you are on the clock. Thus far, only CC Rider (in red) is below the 4 hour per pick clock that will time him out permanently.
Looks like PD times out on this pick in about an hour. We ahven't been too bad and if we keep this pace up, we'll finish in plenty of time. We will have an extra round next year, but I do like picking as late as possible so we have more info.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:06
That should say daft chart is a tool...
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:12
I can understand private voting in an election, but just like when NFL owners vote, everyone should be able to know where the other owners stand. Yay, nay, or be like Al Davis and abstain.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:16
I just called Fred and he didn't know the clock was running on the weekend. He says he should be home in an hour or maybe even less to make his pick. He wasn't sure who he wanted so he wasn't ready for me to make a pick for him.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:49
I think Fred is high! We've never stopped the clock on the weekend for any of he Gurupie Leagues!! And he's been in all of them sense the beginning. He's probably in several leagues and just got confused.
Ok, let's put it like this, I will post the vote for our last vote if there is no objections. If there are, then you can discuss them. I normally delete them after a bout a week, but with this gmail, it put them all in one little "conversation" so I am 99% sure I saved the votes. Just checked. Now i'm 100% sure! ;)
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Doug @ Whedby Island
ID: 67462618 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:49
I think TB and STLCards have my queue with still 2-3 players or so on it... if any of those guys are still available at 3.21, go ahead and re-use my queue. I may not have access for next 24 hours, but then I'll be home.
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Perm Dude
ID: 40733267 Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:56
Will pick in just a few. Yeah, maybe I just didn't realize that the clock was running the weekends in this league. I certainly would have queued some picks if I had known. Weekends are family times. I'm on here all the time during the week.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 02:05
That's a great graphic TB!
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 09:42
Yeah, it is pretty cool. I got rid of it after making my pick, though.
I didn't get an email from any of the three teams picking before me telling me I was soon to be up. This draft has to be the slowest draft I am in. Yesterday we made 50+ picks in a 14-team draft versus 12 picks in this draft. We don't communicate via message board or send each other emails when it's their turn to pick in that league. You know what the secret is? People leave queues and check in periodically throughout the day.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 09:57
TB, it's much better than it used to be. We started the cumulative clock like 3 years ago or so and that's helped tremendously, but with such a large league, some people don't check in enough. Still Dan timed out at 9:02 so at least we knew that your pick would be no later than that. With 24 teams we really need to check in more often and be good with emailing the next three so they can have an idea they are coming up. If you take a q, please email the next three. Things happen sometimes that we can't all pick quickly, but that shouldn't happen too often.
I thought Cards was talking about your draft list, but I now see there is a deleted post so I missed the graphic. ;)
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 10:06
LOL, it was a countdown showing how much time was remaining until the Ravens picked. It was off an hour, though. Forgot to adjust for East coast time.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 10:11
Saw it last nite and it was great. TB bored again :)
Yeh, we were flying in the other draft. Actually both of the other two were moving much, much faster than this one.
Any Luck, I'll get to pick today.
Cliff
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 10:16
I pick again in 17 and then 20 more spots and was hoping those picks would be done over the weekend. I don't have access to the site from work, so am going to need some help tomorrow to make these picks.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 10:18
Well the good news is that if people are using up their clocks now, they won't have much time the rest of the way so it will speed us up. Most drafts slow down over the weekend anyhow.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 11:31
TB - I free all day tomorrow except for a short rain dance early in the morning.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 11:38
Good deal, Roy. I will shoot you a list of players tonight and hopefully we can talk tomorrow before my picks to see who is taken and who I need to grab.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 11:39
no problemo Tom.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 12:59
Emails sent.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:07
Leon Washington, isn't he that guy on all those commercials the last couple years who thought he was the greatest and his teammates made all the mistakes, etc? ;)
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:17
Pick Made Player Picked Up Email Sent to next three
Cliff
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:33
Lol, Ref. Talked about himself in the 3rd person too. Looked good when he sat on the bench.
Leon Washington was a good grab. If I didn't need so much help at WR, I might have grabbed him when I picked. I was a little concerned that the Jets went and got Barlow. They haven't shown much confidence in their current backs.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 14:18
I like when he was playing baseball and was doing an interview on the on deck circle even though he was up! The fumlbes thing was hilarious too.
Only 4 guys have less than 4 hours on their clock, but three of them have already picked this round and won't come up again (barring trade) before I post the chart again. CCR who is on deck only has 1:16 left on his c clock.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 15:30
CCR's clock runs out at 4:30. Hopefully he can get his pick in quickly to save that time.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 21:07
Toral times out at 7:58 so AF has been on the clock since then.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 21:25
I just left AF a voicemail.
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 21:29
Picked!
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 21:41
I'm back home... please don't pick for me even if there's anyone left in my queue. Thanks!
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 22:12
Pick 3.17 made for Stl Cards. Next 3 emailed. A Commish needs to pick up Olindo Mare, K, Mia for Stl
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 23:48
thk, I know you haven't drafted in a long time, but don't forget to email the next three after you pick then pick up your player in CBS. I was sitting here and had no idea you had picked.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 00:11
I picked my guy up and emailed the next two guys. I am up again in three picks. Deepsnapper has my queue to draft for me in the morning.
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 00:37
Pick made for Stl Cards Next Three Emailed Could a Commish pick up the 49ers D for Cards.
Cliff
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 00:41
got'em both Tom - didn't get to pick though. lol
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 00:55
Yeah, I got two guys I really wanted and am pretty happy about that. I watched Davis play and that kid has talent. Once Grossman is benched and Griese gets the job, we might actually get to see some offense from Chicago.
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Perm Dude
ID: 4677288 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 09:09
Will pick in just a moment.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:00
Promize's pick made & emails sent
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:15
I picked and emailed the next 3.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:32
will pick in a few
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:54
picked & then emailed 3
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:54
I picked at 4.10 Next 3 emailed Could not pick up player CBS is down Will pick up as soon as the site comes back up
Cliff
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coldwater coyotes
ID: 43171811 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:58
I picked up Bryant Johnson ...as CBS is down I could not make a final check as to availability
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smallwhirled
ID: 31759511 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:45
I like the last 2 picks, too bad everyone here is so on top of things and didn't let those guys slip to me. :(
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 17:46
I believe Twarpy's pick should be 4.13 not 4.12. Looks like CC Rider left a phone number so I called and left him a message to pick.
I'm guessing that the Bears must have timed out on their cummulative clock which is why Twarpy picked already.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:04
I don't have the email addresses to email the next 3 since I can't get to the site, but the THK's Vikings are up now if anyone has his email address handy.
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Great One
ID: 523121411 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:15
Is that not a duplicate pick?
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:17
Just Emailed thk Had it in sent mail from earlier.
Cliff
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:21
Is what a duplicate pick?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:24
Do you mean the Toefield pick? I just posted it again with the correct pick number. Don't have a way to edit it, so I just relisted it to avoid confusion. Guess that didn't work ;)
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Great One
ID: 523121411 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:26
Makes sense to me, I just saw a name twice.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:26
No duplicate as it's twarpy's pick. 4.13 (not 4.12) Toefield's just renumbered by StLCards.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 18:29
I hate to clean those up if there's a question about clock times and when picks are made. It can always be deleted and reordered later on by TB or myself among others.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:02
As demonstarated in the draft grid. Toral has no picks left so when he get sup his pick is automatically skipped (unles he trades it before it comes up).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:07
OK, I just got home and looking at this. Had no access for part of the day. CCR had only :58 mins left so he timed out and Twarpy picked. However, CCR had emailed me his Q this morning. I emailed him back that I couldn't pick for him as I'd be out and fwd it so Cards and asked him to send it to someone else just in case. Anyhow, Twarpy's pick is correct, he just misnumbered it. I need to talk to Cards to see if it was a "legal q" or not but irregardless, Twarpy was absolutely correct to post when he did.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:14
Actually if a mod could just edit Twarpy's post to the right number, we can delete Cards' post in the draft thread.
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Myboyjack Dude
ID: 014826271 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:40
If anyone with one of the next few picks is interested in trading their 4th round pick this year for m 3rd round pick next year + my 5th round pick this year, please email me.
THK? Action Figure? etc.
The league site is down so I can't send individual offers.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:50
re:187 - done
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 21:02
thk time sout in 5 mins (9:07).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 21:12
thk timed out, AF is on the clock.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 21:48
called AF & got his voicemail. left message about being up in Rd 4.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 21:49
I am on CBS. It is moving very slow for me, but I was able to get toefield on twarpy's team. Most can't even get on the site. So send me a note if you need help and I'll do the best I can.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:32
Couple of things...
I hate to be anal about this cumulative time, but a q is defined as someone who sends you a list of players and the DP slects those. If your DP picks in a reasonable time (and before you time out if you are very short on c time) then you won't be charged any time. But if you need to be called after you are already up, etc. you will be charged the time up until your pick is made for you. Sorry, but it's the only fair way to do it. Perhaps the DP can call in advance or you can call your DP and leave a list to avoid that.
Also, I haven't gotten one objection to post voting results from this past email vote on the fg tweak/keeper or trip's proposal. In baseball I had a couple people ask me not to post. The email vote is truly the quickest way to get it done, but I also like it as the current vote is not influencing other's official votes. I've long thrown away my notes on it that would make it easy, but I still have the email responses where I can recreate it.
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CT
ID: 3573269 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:45
I picked up Cassel from NE - couldn't get on CBS -will try later or first thing in the a.m.- kept stating tech difficulty- if someone can drop him on my roster, great- if not I'll check back in- Thanks ct
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blackjackis21
ID: 46652621 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:48
Ditto for Itula Mili, TE, Sea.
Chiefs, Jets, Colts up - will send e-mail.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:56
I'll see if i cna get them for you. Btw, if thk comes up again, he's immediately skipped since he still hasn't picked his last skipped pick. His time will be added when he does make the pick.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:57
my pick 4.24 is available for trade
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blackjackis21
ID: 46652621 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 23:10
CBS seems to be working for the moment - I got Mili.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 23:41
1.01 Reggie Bush, RB, NO 1.02 Laurence Maroney, RB, NE 1.03 J. Addai, Ind, RB 1.04 DeAngelo Williams, RB, CAR 1.05 Matt Leinart, QB, ARZ 1.06 LenDale White, RB, TEN 1.07 Mike Bell, RB, DEN 1.08 Jon Kitna, QB, Det 1.09 Vince Young, QB, TEN 1.10 Vernon Davis, TE, SF 49ers 1.11 Chad Jackson, WR, NE Patriots 1.12 Greg Jennings, WR, GB 1.13 Rex Grossman, QB, CHI 1.14 Jay Cutler, QB, Den 1.15 Jerious Norwood, RB, ATL 1.16 Desmond Clark,TE, CHI 1.17 Musa Smith, RB, Bal 1.18 Chargers, DEF, SD 1.19 David Givens, WR, Tenn 1.20 Wali Lundy, RB, Hou 1.21 Ernest Wilford, WR, Jax 1.22 Antwaan Randle El, WR, Was 1.23 JP Losman, QB, BUF 1.24 Jeff Wilkins, K, STL 2.01 Santonio Holmes, WR, PITT 2.02 Doug Gabriel, WR, Oak 2.03 Leonard Pope, TE, Arizona 2.04 Marcedes Lewis, TE, JAC 2.05 Lawrence Tynes, K, KC 2.06 Todd Pinkston 2.07 Vikings D, Def, Minn 2.08 Travis Taylor, WR, Min 2.09 Marty Booker, WR, Miami 2.10 Mewelde Moore, RB, Minn 2.11 Maurice Drew, RB, UCLA 2.12 Matt Stover, K, BAL 2.13 Brian Calhoun, RB, DET 2.14 Saints DST, DST 2.15 Matt Schaub, QB, ATL 2.16 Shaud Williams, RB Buffalo 2.17 Jerome Harrison, RB, Cle 2.18 Kellen Clemens, QB, NYJ 2.19 Rian Lindell, K, Buf 2.20 Derek Hagan, WR, Mia 2.21 Green Bay Packers, DST 2.22 Rams D/ST 2.23 Oakland Raiders, DST 2.24 Robert Ferguson, WR, GB 3.01 Joe Klopfenstein, TE, STL 3.02 Zach Hilton, TE, NO 3.03 Sinorice Moss, WR, Giants 3.04 Jerricho Cotchery WR, NYJ 3.05 Hank Baskett, WR, Phi 3.06 Daniel Graham, TE, NE 3.07 Leon Washington, NYJ, RB 3.08 Michael Bennett, RB, KC 3.09 Cedrick Wilson, WR, Stealers 3.10 Chris Perry, RB, Cin 3.11 Ladell Betts, RB, Wash 3.12 Arnaz Battle, WR, SF 3.13 Cedric Humes, RB, PIT 3.14 Derrick Blaylock, RB, NYJ 3.15 Rob Bironas, K, TEN 3.16 Houston Texans, DST 3.17 Olindo Mare, K, Mia 3.18 David Boston, WR, TB 3.19 Brandon Stokley, WR, Indy 3.20 Bernard Berrian, WR, Chi 3.21 Vincent Jackson, WR, SD 3.22 Tony Scheffler TE, Den 3.23 Stephen Davis, RB, ? 3.24 San Francisco 49ers, Def 4.01 Rashied Davis WR, Chi 4.02 Charlie Whitehurst, QB, SD 4.03 Correll Buckhalter, RB, Phi 4.04 Stephen Gostkowski, K, NE 4.05 Jerramy Stevens, TE, Sea 4.06 Demetrius Williams, WR, Balt 4.07 Mark Bradley, WR, Chi 4.08 Josh Scobee, K, Jax 4.09 Quincy Wilson, RB, CIncinnati Begals 4.10 Courtney Anderson, TE, Oak 4.11 Bryant Johnson, WR, Ariz 4.12 John Carney, K, NO 4.13 LaBrandon Toefield, RB, JAX 4.14 -----skipped 4.15 Devery Henderson, WR, NO 4.16 Matt Cassel, QB, NE 4.17 Itula Mili, TE, Sea
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 00:13
Woah, I messed up. I thought THK was up before me and he was skipped naturally. Didn't help that my emails to me had thk up before me!!! Anyhow, we got lucky that GO didn't wnat the same guy I got or I would have had to re-pick. Sorry about jumping the gun.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 01:45
As requested, here are the votes for our last league vote. As I mentioned before, I didn't receive one person who was against posting these. The first question was the FG tweak, the 2nd were Keepers. Yes means you are in favor of the rule change proposal. Number is a running count.
19-5 Vote for FG Tweak 13-11 Vote for Lowering Keepers to 8
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:11
Correll Buckhalter was already drafted, Doug.
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:15
Ugh... I did a search on "buck" but it didn't hit. Dunno why. He was still available on CBS as well. Repick coming momentarily.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:15
Please make sure you have all of your players on your team. If you had a DP, still look to be sure your player was put on your team. Once the draft is over and waivers are started, you will lose the rights to any player drafted but not on your team.
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:16
And thanks for the heads up TB.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:18
I took him off the raiders and moved him to the seahawks. It's amazing how well I konw the owners and their NFL Replica Teams!
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Doug
ID: 441251914 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:21
Hahaha... thanks Ref. You know, I think I accidentally did my search on the CBS roster grid instead of the draft thread. Too many windows open. So basically I ended up checking CBS twice.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:14
I've already used up my picks so the Jets are up for 5.01.
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THK
ID: 487282011 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:21
Sorry guys. I got the e-mail to draft while I was studying last night. Wireless internet isn't working well in the house right now so I couldn't access anything. Finally picked. Plenty of guys I am excited to see left on the board.
Do I get to fill my roster after the draft and before free agency or no? I forgot the ruling on this.
THK
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:25
Nope. You will have to do that after waivers are turned on. You can send a q if you're going to have spotty access.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:19
Just made it back. Give me a few to catch up.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:21
OK, was just getting ready to pick for you.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:35
Thanks as I flip flopped.. lol
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GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:58
I'm in a meeting all afternoon. Just sent Ref a 2 player Q. If not will check about 4 or 5 my time.
Cliff
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Twarpy@work
ID: 38732914 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 15:58
I'm going to have spotty access until 7PM EST, and was wondering what the protocol with CCR is, has he left a queue and am I up right after CC picks then?
Anyone who picks after me, I'd lvoe someone to take a queue until 7 PM.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:21
Technically he has timed out. But if he sends a Q and that person lets it be known that he has it and is ready to pick we will give the DP a couple mins to pick for him. Otherwise since he has timed out, he will be skipped automatically.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:27
I sent three emails to him in the last few mins. He doesn't have a q to our knowledge so we proceed with him being skipped. If he emails me bacin ht enext few mins before I have to leave, I'll post for him if that player is still left.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:46
repick twarpy. thk grabbed hin late at 4.14.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:48
af is otc.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:51
i emailed af, ds and ct. AF's email bounced.
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THK
ID: 487282011 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:57
DS- I HATE YOU! My boy Wes Welker was passed on the depth chart and is now #4. Let me have him damnit!!!!!!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:22
thk, pick up your players on the site and it wouldn't have happened.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:38
Didn't AF leave a phone number on the site. Can someone call him?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:41
I called and left a message.
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 18:45
My email address and phone number is accurate in cbssportsline.com
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 18:50
Thanks AF. Didn't change it since you switched it again to Yahoo. Fixed now.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 18:51
Can we delete post 121 in the draft thread please?
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 18:57
TY Pick completed
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blackjackis21
ID: 57441312 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 19:36
Queue sent to Ref and StL for 5.17.
Thanks guys.
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Promize
ID: 141018197 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 20:08
Just out of curiosity, has picks 5.12, .13, .14 all been skipped or not used? Just trying to keep up on things and whos been picked.
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 20:20
The grid shows me having the 15th round pick all the way through so I used that number for each of my picks.
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Promize
ID: 141018197 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 20:31
5.12 should of been the Bears, I only see 13 players so I guess he just hasn't picked yet.
5.13 was a double pick, just hasn't gone back and repicked yet I guess.
5.14 is the Saints, and his roster is full.. So I guess everything is ok.
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CT
ID: 3573269 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 20:41
Good draft guys- effecient and fun- Looking forward to a fun season- ct
237
smallwhirled
ID: 31759511 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:06
Very pleased with the draft so far. Not a whole lot of problems at all, and I think I got some guys who could really help me this year and beyond.
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Great One
ID: 523121411 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:57
I do not need to use pick 5.24.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 22:07
SW, thanks for emailing me. Had you not emailed me I would have been a lot longer.
Was all set to take Pennington as GO said he wasn't keeping him, but right as I was about to pick him, Doug told me that he was already gone. Checked the board again and he wasn't there. Come to find out he kept him. Had him on my list since the first round as a possibility, but it was a no-brainer once Lundy fell to me.
Well Lundy might have been the steal of the draft. Was shocked he was still there for me. Having Volek, I was thrilled to get Collins. Though wish I wouldn't have wasted a keeper in Volek, but I guess my team is no depth so it didn't matter. Probably have other keepers in worst shape in the end than Volek. Got a youngster in Hagan that could be a good pick too. Currently #3 WR. I still need depth but that may take another year. All those years of trading to fill injuries--esp. to my QBs has caught up with me--so time to rebuild.
This draft has been good for the most part, just get really frustrated when a couple people don't follow directions and causes problems for the whole league. All and all though, it's been much quicker than anticipated. There are still players that have not been picked up in the db.
Pick up your players or lose them when we turn waivers on.
Waivers will be turned out as soon as we get all the league settings fixed. After WW is turned on, we will edit the WW order immediately to reflect the inverse order of finish.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 22:56
Some of the people not picked up yet might have been proxy picks. I went through most of the picks today and found 1 I made a proxy pick for but forgot to add them. I'll try to look through the rest and see if I missed any others.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 23:08
I've checked through 5.21 and am pretty sure everyone has been added, but of course, I could have missed something too, so everyone should still check their own.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 11:10
OK so pete times out at 9:47 and bmd is on the clock. Since Cards is done with his draft, it appears that several managers didn't have 5 picks this year. We will close up the draft later today.
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 11:40
I think it's just Twarpy and Pete left now that have picks and that haven't been made.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 11:41
I told twarpy lat night and he said he'd fix it. He must have forgotten.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:10
The draft has run it's course. We will give Twarpy and Pete a reasonable amount of time to get their missed pick in today before we close up the draft.
I really like the way we did it this year. We started later and got done quicker. Part of that was the week we saved by starting the clock on the first pick rather than give a week to pick when you want. Next year we will have an extra round yet still should be able to start the same time as we did this year. I'd love to even start later but with 24 different managers and their schedules--that could be tough. We'd likely have to have an agressive per pick clock in the last 2 or 3 rounds to accomplish that--but I guess it's doable. We can talk about it next year.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:59
The draft is complete. I went ahead and filled out the chart anyhow for historical reasons.
Manager
Pick 1
Pick 2
Pick 3
Pick 4
Pick 5
Time
Used
Left
Status
1
Great One's Jets
0:00
0:00
0:07
0:03
0:00
8:00
0:10
7:50
2
PD's Browns
0:34
0:28
3:35
1:44
0:33
8:00
6:54
1:06
3
Promize's Sehawks
0:00
3:38
0:58
0:00
0:00
8:00
4:36
3:24
4
Dan's Bills
0:28
1:09
4:00
0:45
1:38
8:00
8:00
0:00
Timed Out
5
TB's Ravens
0:25
0:25
0:05
0:00
0:26
8:00
1:21
6:39
6
SkinneeJ's Packers
0:19
0:20
1:03
2:08
1:22
8:00
5:12
2:48
7
Yokel's Jaguars
0:17
0:18
0:22
0:14
0:11
8:00
1:22
6:38
8
deepsnapper's Eagles
0:21
0:12
0:12
0:54
0:23
8:00
2:02
5:58
9
MBJ's Bengals
0:30
0:32
0:10
0:40
1:42
8:00
3:34
4:26
10
Goatlocker's Chargers
0:06
0:00
0:10
0:24
0:00
8:00
0:40
7:20
11
Coyotes' Broncos
0:14
0:05
2:03
0:08
0:05
8:00
2:35
5:25
12
CC Rider's Bears
4:00
2:44
0:18
0:58
0:00
8:00
8:00
0:00
Timed Out
13
Twarpy's Giants
0:37
0:04
0:26
0:14
0:13
8:00
1:34
6:26
14
Toral's Saints
0:01
3:24
0:00
0:25
4:00
8:00
7:50
0:10
15
AF's Falcons
1:06
0:32
1:31
2:12
2:22
8:00
7:43
0:17
16
Turley's Cardinals
0:00
3:35
0:04
0:23
1:21
8:00
5:23
2:37
17
BJ21's Rams
0:24
0:24
0:17
0:05
0:00
8:00
1:10
6:50
18
SW's Chiefs
0:00
0:02
0:33
1:10
0:07
8:00
1:52
6:08
19
THK's Vikings
0:17
4:00
0:13
8:00
4:30
3:30
20
Ref's Colts
0:00
2:26
0:48
0:00
0:57
8:00
4:11
3:49
21
Doug's Raiders
0:00
0:00
0:09
0:00
0:05
8:00
0:14
7:46
22
Peter N's Cowboys
0:00
2:09
0:00
4:00
8:00
6:09
1:51
23
bmd's Texans
0:00
0:00
0:00
0:00
1:51
8:00
1:51
6:09
24
StL Cards' 49ers
0:01
0:22
0:00
0:00
2:13
8:00
2:36
5:24
247
Perm Dude
ID: 5722308 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:00
When does the waiver wire open up? Are players on the waiver to start or is everyone a FA?
248
StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:06
Once we declare the draft over, we will set up the waiver process and then start it. Everyone will be on waivers to begin with. Same process as we've used in the past.
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Perm Dude
ID: 5722308 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:15
Thanks--that's what I thought. Ref's posts are confusing, however--are we waiting for another pick from Pete (#245), or is the draft now over (#246)?
With Pinkston getting cut, I'm anxious to put in a claim for a certain player to replace him.
250
StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:30
We're going to give Pete some time to get his pick in before we wrap things up. We will post when we start waivers. Patience grasshopper ;-)
252
TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 14:41
What does the RIBC waiver process have to do with this league?
What is the waiver order and when does the 48 hours start?
Does anyone want Mike Williams before I try to cut him for a waiver claim?
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StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 14:46
D'Oh! posted in the wrong thread. I'll delete #251
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 15:06
RE: 246. The draft is over as far as cumulative time is concerned. We hope to start waivers by tonight, so pete still has a little time. As always, once waivers are started there are 2 full days before they run. After which time all players that weren't released for another WW claim will be FAs.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 16:06
As soon as Pete picks or we start waivers, we can do a recap thread if you'd like. I see no hurry to get back to the main forum to start a regular season thread.
What I'd like to do is to create an all-time franchise record list. We have all the tools on our web site and all the listings of the history of each franchise on Gurupie 20/24 site. Twarpy put together a history of all games played, but it has a flaw in it and he hasn't been able to figure it out. It is here. Anyhow, if any of your .xls experts who can do this relatively quick can put together a ss of all-time records, that would be fun. Could also help us with that outcome to the voting for the keeper reduction vote posted earlier.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 16:42
OK, Pete has picked, so time for the commishs to get to work on the site. Can we get a mod to delete posts 14, 121 and 133 in the draft thread please? I'll go ahead and post a recap thread. With only 5 picks it should be simple and entertianing while we start setting up the CBS site to make it season-ready.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 17:08
I am working on league setting sot make sure everything is set up correctly before starting waivers. I will bring this up again as far as Pick-ems go.
If you remember (and for GO being new), Pick-ems is a game where we go and select who we think will win the G24 matchups each week. So if I'm playing Cards (Colts vs. 49ers), you select who will win our FANTASY matchup, not who the real NFL team will win (obviously most likely those two NFL teams won't even be playing that week).
Each year we have posted the Pick-ems option for the last three years. Every year the league chooses that they want to do it. However, there has been very little feedback on the scoring methods we choose for Pick-ems. So I had been going with the straight W/L and unweighted.
So again, here are our options for Pick-ems:
Overview: The League Pick'em awards points based on the number of your league's fantasy matchups each player picks correctly You can score all correct picks equally or award more points to certain games than others These points do not effect the league scoring system or standings.
*Winning Margin: Winning margin refers to the number of points by which one team is expected to win in a game. When you make picks with winning margins. you are predicting that one team will win by more points than the margin, or the other team will lose by fewer points than the margin.
Currently it is selected on "Do not use winning margins." Other option is select your own margins. Not positive what that is, but the CBS Computer Guru throws out a number of what he thinks each team will score and I'm thinking that you have to win by more or lose by less than that margin to win that game. Kind of like Las Vegas odds I think with the +5 or whatever.
*Weights: If you use weights, the games will be weighted from 12 (or whatever number of matchups you have in the period) down to 1.
Currently the games aren't weighted--so each game has the same weight. If we choose to chagne this option, my guess is that games that are deemed closer by the computer guru or harder to predict will score more points than assumed mismatches.
Please post your thoughts asap.
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Action Figure
ID: 287231610 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 19:40
I decided to do Pick-ems this year (for the first year)
I vote to keep it simple. No weights and no winning margin.
259
StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 21:56
We should just keep it the same as always. No one has ever suggested anything different, so let's just go with status quo.
260
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 23:52
Waivers have been turned on in the nick of time to count for today. Rememebr two full days. That means the 2nd run of waivers will occur Tuesday morning. That's two days quicker than we had to have it done to get our 2nd run in. The second run is only important if someone wants a player that is being dropped by another manager. Probably not critical normally, but this is a deep league so who knows.
261
GoatLocker
ID: 43781518 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 08:55
I agree with leaving Pickems the way we have had them the last couple of years.
Cliff
262
deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 10:27
I'm familiar with weights on pick'ems, but the way we use players, margins might be scary. lol
I'd have a split vote so otherwise I'd have to say no to any changes.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 11:27
ds, unless we have the league wanting to do one or both of these, we will keep it the way we had it. You can do one of the above, it's not all or nothing. So why do you think weighted games would help us? It would definitely make things more interesting I suppose. Just think getting the 12 game right while most others miss it?
264
smallwhirled
ID: 447253112 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 16:51
Tons of love for Vincent Jackson. Lets not forget the guy who drafted him last year. ;)
Sometimes it just gets tough when you are trying to compete each week to designate slots on your bench to hold your "deep" sleepers.
I still like the guy, and wish I could have kept him throughout, but I probably had to do some shifting to take care of a bye....oh well, he's yours now Doug.
265
TB
ID: 72253110 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 17:10
I am going to start paying more attention to who you cut each year. ;)
266
smallwhirled
ID: 447253112 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 17:31
Vicious cycle, because if you want to win now and you have a bunch of long term sleepers on your team, some of them have to go...
Love it though.
267
Doug
ID: 33772914 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 17:47
Well, if I'm doing well this year, maybe I'll need to trade him as part of a package to a developing team in order to make a "win now" push. If things fall apart (like Delhomme or Jackson getting injured) then I'll be more inclined to hold on to him for next year and beyond... maybe deal Terry Glenn to a "win now" team instead, etc.
268
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 19:00
LOL PD about daily emails. I had an offer of a 3rd rounder for Suggs that I turned down.I was trying to get a 2nd for him. I thought sure he'd do well this year for some team, but as the draft got closer it became more evident that Suggs would be iffy at best again this year. It retrospect, I should ahve taken the 3rd for him. Btw, if you'd respond to an email saying not interested, I wouldn't bother you anymore. ;)
FWIW, news has leaked out that the Jets had a deal for Barlow after they got Suggs that they liked better so they intentionally failed him on his physical so they could back out of the deal and get Barlow. But it really doesn't matter as long as he's the 3rd or 4th option in Cleveland.
Didn't have much discussion on the IDPs etc but it was mainly just food for thought anyhow.
269
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 10:42
Skinneej, nice recap. Volek is an enigma. I fully expected him to do really well this year. In the past when he had played he was super. But the reason I was offering him up was because I have Simms who I expect to be my QB of the future and who knows what to expect next year with Young. Was shocked that they signed Collins, but when that happened, I targeted him as I expected that they wouldn't sign him unless they were going to start him.
I think they did Volek dirty. They refused to le thim go becaus eof McNair's injury proneness--then when they send off McNair to let Volek shine, they draft Young then bring in Collins. I'd be pissed too if I was Volek. Remember how well he and Drew Bennett did when Volek was starting? I'm a Volek fan and hope they move him to a team with a weak starter so he can start again at some point. Still think he's better than some of the starters out there and would be a good pickup by some NFL team.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 18:42
You know what's also funny, I was offering Toomer and Porter just for the chance to move up enough to get Lundy and it turns out that I got him anyhow!
271
Doug
ID: 33772914 Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 19:12
Volek comes in for one series, and throws one pass... a 54 yard TD. Next series... Vince Young is back on the field. LOL. Were they afraid that if Volek came back out he'd throw another TD and make them look like idiots or something?
Not watching the game... just saw the play-by-play on NFL.com and thought it was odd. Normally when you pull your "starter" for the game (Young) you don't put him back in later... and on the heels of a Volek first-attempt TD pass I was wondering if saving face might possibly have had something to do with it. Dunno.
272
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 13:42
Yeah, my guess is that he goes to SD to back up Rivers. If Rivers has some issues, they know they have a quality back-up. Some of the Titans decisions have been questionable at best.
273
TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 15:05
Suggs was cut by the Browns. I have to think he is damaged goods. I know they have some RB depth, but if he was healthy there are several teams that could use him.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 15:38
I am shocked that they cut Suggs when they put Green on the IR. Obviously something is wrong with Suggs that we're not hearing about. Jason Wright is the 3rd RB now. wtf?
275
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 16:43
Also surpised the Raiders traded Gabriel to the Pats. That definitely helps Porter's value. Hopefully he will step up again now that it counts.
276
TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 18:04
I just read about that. I might have gotten a lucky grabbing Curry earlier today if it means more playing time for him. I read that David Kircus won the #3 WR spot for Denver, but decided I didn't want to carry a banged up Marshall anyway, so took a shot with Curry. Morant has looked good this preseason and the Raiders were already very deep at WR, so good trade for them.
277
Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 10:51
PD must be kicking himself right about now after his draft. Let's recap:
After trading away 1.05 (Matt Leinart) to get Donald Driver he drafts
2.02 Doug Gabriel, WR, Oak - Traded to the Pats Not sure how this will affect him, but seems it may hurt his value depedning on what happens to Branch I'd think. Better team though so who knows.
2.06 Todd Pinkston, WR, Phi - Cut 3.02 Zach Hilton, TE, NO - Cut 4.02 Charlie Whitehurst, QB, SD - Despite passing Feely on the deph charts, word is that the Chargers are actively pursuing Volek to be the backup QB. COuple this with the youthness of Rivers and Whitehurst may never step onto the field this year.
5.02 William Green, RB, Cle - IR and will try and get an injury settlement so they can release him permanently. By rule, he's done for the year regardless.
Now that is a set of very unfortunate circumstances.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 10:59
FWIW, if Branch does leave, and I think he should, Gabriel's value rises.
Don't forget Pinkston signed with Minnesota also. Strange pre-season this year.
Cliff
280
THK
ID: 487282011 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 11:36
NE WR's suck. Gabriel will be the #1 without Branch possibly. #2 with Branch in a system that spreads it around.
In Oak he was the #2 with Porter behind him? Moss could possibly get hurt.
I think the deal is even or good for him really. I am a big fan of Gabriel and took him in all the leagues possible. We will see how it ends up...
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 11:39
His deal was for Pinkston, not Gabriel. I was just speaking of his draft woes, but who knows what still might happen. Volek is still on the Titans for now and Gabriel's stock could still improve.
Thank goodness during the draft I saw the word that Z Hilton was on the outs and pulled him off of my list. Already stuck with him on some other teams.
Cliff
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 13:09
Doug Gabriel is expected to compete to start in New England.
He won't be handed a starting job. Gabriel will likely help on kick returns and compete to start with Brandon Childress and Troy Brown, pending an unforeseen reconciliation with Deion Branch (holdout). Source: Boston Globe
284
Perm Dude
ID: 108139 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 13:14
Gabriel is the best WR they have, but trading him a week before the season really sucks all around.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 13:18
He will be starting very soon. Gabriel has some speed and skills. I hated to see the Raiders trade him, but fantasy-wise, I have Brady on a couple teams and can picture the deep bombs to him already. Branch is an okay receiver who is made better by having a great QB. He should shut up and get back to his job. I hate to see these prima donna bitches, who have signed legal agreements to perform a job, who make more money in a short NFL career than I will ever make in my lifetime, hold out for more cash. Finish your contract and then get paid.
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Perm Dude
ID: 108139 Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 15:32
Given the timing, I'm guessing NE has had their eye on him for a bit, and might have been hoping that Porter came back to push Gabriel's value down.