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Subject: RIFC AA Regular Season Discussion II

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 10:49

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 11:32

Overall

Game

Team

Pct

Tot

Avg

Tot

Strk

Skeepers

0.92

1627.52

135.63

1414.68

320.4

Can't Beat The Refs

0.67

1748.84

145.74

1551.46

369

Muhahos

0.67

1740.74

145.06

1517.66

252.08

2006 Vicious Goats

0.67

1652.34

137.7

1461.94

175.8

TD Dragons

0.58

1597.22

133.1

1514.7

313.88

The Treasonists

0.58

1770.3

147.53

1639.94

294.14

Peter N.

0.5

1588.56

132.38

1622.12

289.52

weykool

0.5

1471.08

122.59

1498.82

220.64

JUDY CATS

0.5

1417.86

118.16

1525.62

238.54

twilson

0.5

1402.52

116.88

1463.02

253.76

Master of My Domain

0.42

1557.6

129.8

1615.7

244.56

Astade

0.25

1335.24

111.27

1499.5

365.12

mjd's Upstate Bombers

0.17

1253.78

104.48

1475.02

199.74

smallwhirled

0.08

1136.08

94.67

1499.5

221.8

Total

0.5

21299.68

126.78

21299.68

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 12:36

In our rules, I can't find how many teams make the playoffs.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 14:13

8, with last 2 based on pionts i believe is how it works.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 14:19

VP i would be interested in Rudi or tatum.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 14:28

Re: 163, From last night until this morning, he got added almost 7 points. But considering that still was with a player inhis lineup who is suspended for the year, he had a good night. But you scored 110. That shouldn't get you a win to be honest.

110 shouldnt get you a win?
Twarpy/sw scored 110 and they got the win.
Should we disallow the win?

When your #1 pick goes down and you have 6 players on a bye week you are looking for every break you can get.
What leaves a bitter taste in your moth is players were changed after the freeze and other teams got wins in the prior weeks when facing a weaker team.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 15:05

How can the win be disallowed?

All I did was switch players aroung on his roster, so that he had as many active players playing. And I did this before any game started.

By all rights, I should have started his #1 QB. He would have won both games, and yours wouldn't have even been close.

Like was pointed out yesterday, are we supposed to leave that team dormant, so that every team just stomps them, or do we want a competive league?

Let's get some other opinions here.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 15:31

Per Guru:

8 teams make the playoffs. The top 6 seeds are determined by W/L
record. Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on
head-to-head first, then total points. The 7th and 8th seeds are based
on total points for the remaining teams, regardless of W/L record.

Once the 8 seeds are set, they are not reseeded each round.

All rules are in post 193 of this thread:
link

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 16:50

If all MJD did was put active players on smallwhirled's active roster before any game started, then the win should count. It is the minimum any active manager should do. Am I missing something here?

I'm guessing that MJD would have made the moves earlier, but wanted to give Twarpy one last chance to be part of the league.

Weykool got a bad break by playing smallwhirled this week, but teams that play smallwhirled in subsequent weeks will even have a tougher time winning because the team will now be actively managed.

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 17:24

Ref - what does DH mean? (#165 in Disc #3)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 17:28

DH = Double Header = We play two games each week.

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 18:38

OK -- HERE IS some TRADE BAIT I am stuck with my bye week
(8 players out) and I have a ton of Eagles for their bye week (9).
Trouble is a brewin'.

I would like:
a decent WR

I am willing to give up:
Joey Porter (LB) (I know he is injured probably will not play
this week, but I would give him up for the rest of the season.)

I have both Heap and Clark (CHI) -- any takers for Clark? For
a GOOD WR or a TE for this week? Or, I might just "pass" on the
TE position this week and take zeroes...both have byes.

Fortunately, I play Skeepers this week, so that's one loss
already...
mjd and I will duke it out for the other game...

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 21:36

what does LP stand for in the last column of the table in #1?

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 23:03

LP is a team's total points for the two games last week.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 11:30

I would not be so sure about loss to me, being my pt maching the ravens are on bye.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 12:38

I sent Guru an email asking about playoff tiebreakers for those involved in more than a 2 way tie. He responded and also posted in the RIFC thread here. Thus, if there are more than 2 tied in record, or the two-way team tie split their matchups this year, we go with total points score for the year to determine playoff teams and seeding. So I went through every team and tie breaks and if the season ended after last week's games, here would be the matchups:
Top Bracket
#1 Skeepers vs. #8 Weykool
#4 Vicious Goats vs. #5 TD Dragons
Bottom Bracket
#3 Muhahos vs. #6 The Treasonists
#2 Can't Beat the Refs vs. #7 Peter N

A lot cna change from week to week, so let this be motivation for those of you on the outside looking in or for those "in" who want to improve their seeding.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 13:15

Re: 5

Weykool, I understand where you are coming from, truly I do. What I meant by the 110 comment was not that you have to score more than that to get a win, but that we should expect a L if we only score 110. Not that it is automatic.

I don't read Weykool as asking for the win to be overturned, but responding to that comment.

Also, as many things that have gone "wrong" in this league, a lot of things have gone right as well. I joined this league to see what it was like to play with IDPs after getting bumped from one of the AAA leagues. I wasn't sure I even wanted to do it as I didn't know many of the people that had signed up for this league and was worried about how it would be run and how competitive it would be. I definitely didn't want the responsibility to commish as I've got my hands full with G24, but found myself trying to help first TD and then mjd as they really tried hard to make this league work even with all the obstacles in the way. This league isn't the easiest to play for a non-experienced manager, let alone commish--esp for inexperinced commish and then adding that to an inexperienced manager and commish at the same time.

With all that being said, we've actually done very well. We had to replace some managers right before and then during the draft. We've been able to find guys to fill slots in a moment's notice as a favor to us. mjd has consistently taken the bull by the horns to try and do the right thing. He's gotten the difficult WW process done exactly right each week. He's made decisions that has proven to be best for the league.

As someone with experience in other leagues and commishing, I've tried to stay out of things unless I was asked. This week he again asked me to help and I offered to do so for the reasons I've discussed above and because how darned good this league has become. I am amazed how hard most managers have worked the WW and trying to configure their active rosters each week. YOu've had 13 managers do well at least one time this year. Hell, Astade just scored over 182 points this past week and he had won only one game coming into the week. So if I can step up and help as with others in the league (like Judy who helped look through the schedule to check my work) then we all will benefit.

As far as the Twarpy situation goes, he is a friend of mine and he hasn't even mentioned the situation to me. He stepped up in a moment's notice to help us and he drafted pretty well. In fact, I really like his core team. Pete also did us a favor and came into the draft in the middle of it, even with Dom. Davis already handicapping his team and he is in the playoffs if the season ended today.

I laud mbj's efforts in dealing with Twarpy's situation. He gave Twarpy every possible opportunity to fix his team. There are differing styles of commishing, mine is a little more proactive in that I'd have warned him when he left Odell Thurman (who is out for the year) in his lineup long ago then removed him if it wasn't rectified. If I were the lone commish looking at Twarpy's lineup before the game started (he did send him emails this week as he cced me on them), I'd have waited to the lat possible minute to give him every opportunity to fix his team but then I'd have gone in and done it and by doing so, meant that he had relinquished his team. I would not have picked up any players off the FA wire though and would have made due with his current team. mjd did just that. I would have went one step farther though, and put his best players (his starting QB as mjd mentioned) in his lineup. Like TD said, any manager that was paying attn to his/her team would have done the same thing. By mjd's accounts, Twarpy, while not piking up FAs) had been at least actively managing his team previously as far as putting players on bye weeks on his bench and replacing them with his best active players. Had Twarpy looked at his team last week, he'd have had his best QB in and would have won both games. Also, if I would have been asked to find a manager earlier, sw would have had time to go on the FA list to replace guys that shouldn't even be on his team and put the best players in his active lineup. Had mjd just put the #1 QB in the lineup, he'd have won both games. To be honest, Judy is the one that got the break. It's not like players were put in the lineup after any game had started. If Twarpy or sw would have liked, they could have done the same thing themselves.

So I want to publicly thank mjd to help make this league even better and more competitive. Some hands-of commishs would have allowed every team to stopmp them each week--or worse, Twarpy may have remembered about the league and set his lineup only on certain weeks--now that would have been unfair. As it is now, his lineup was set each week and now sw will crank it up a notch moving forward.

The Treasonists
Donor
ID: 171572711
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 13:45

I say welcome to smallwhirled. You need to work on that spelling, though. My team has not played twarpy/sw yet so I have the most to lose by this replacement. And I say.......Let's Rock.

Here's hoping smallwhirled manages his team to the full extent of the fantasy world. Whatever that means.

I'm just hoping to stumble into the playoffs, where anything can happen in fantasy football. The playoff system allows for teams with a bad schedule or close losses to still make the playoffs via the 7th and 8th place teams getting in on most points scored.

The schedule is never totally fair due to bye weeks and matchups. So, my hope is we move forward and be thankful we caught the schedule glitch before it became real problematic.

Thanks to the commish, ref, judy, and all who helped with this.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 14:09

Well we both play sw this week I guess then!

Treasonists speaks from a weird perspective. Currently he is the #6 seed yet leads the league in PF and in Power ranking. How wild is that! Talk about bad scheduling luck.

8 of 14 teams make the playoffs. In our league, the #8 seed could easily knock off the #1 seed, so all the games are up in the air. As Treasonists said, if you can finish in 8th place, you have a shot to win it all.

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 17:54

What's uP?

Three people claim to have added trotter:
TD at 2:01
Treasonists at 3:32
Smallwhirled at 3:45

with no drops in between! Who REALLY has him?

Huh?

The Treasonists
ID: 571192610
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 18:06

It said I had to wait until 2 days after he was dropped.

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 19:36

Now mjd email says HE has Trotter.

Somebody needs to fix this!

(I had him on my List A FA list, but got my first choice -- he was
third...too many Eagles already!)

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 19:59

No Judy, I do not have Trotter, I'm just trying out a few things to try and find out why Trotter is not available as he was dropped on Saturday. I rechecked the settings in AOL and they are correct. "If a player's waver processing date/time is set to occur after the players game for the week has started that player should become a FA next week on Tuesday at noon." Trotter should be available.

I going to email AOL.

Does everyone get an email when a transaction is made?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 20:12

If he was dropped on Saturday, he should have been available in waivers until Noon. If no one claimed him, he should have been a FA at 1:00. Hard to assign him if he had a claim now as WW process already ran. We'd have to manually fix it and the waivers and because he was claimed. Thing is, we don't know all who claimed him. This is odd.

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 20:36

I tried to pick up Trotter and a couple of other players after the waiver process ran. I wasn't allowed to pick up any of them. AOL said I had to wait until Thursday at noon because they were recently released. I did not think it was worth lowering my waiver priority to obtain these players during the Wednesday waiver pickup.

I do not get emails when a transaction is made. It is an AOL option under My Profile.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 20:43

I just sent a detailed message to AOL. We'll see how their customer support for fantasy sports is. This is not the first glitch in the AOl site/game I have seen. The others were minor and seemingly had no impact on the games like this could.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 20:50

Like when I started to investigate this problem. I have the option box "Show all claims requests" checked, yet I can't seem to find who else made a claim that was not processed because someone else got said player with a higher priority.

Fortunately, I have a temporary slowdown in this phase of my business project to do this now.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 21:48

Check that, I just found the "View previous claims request results" button and no one put in a claim for Trotter.

TD made the first request, so if you still want him TD, I'll add him to your roster. Just tell me who to drop. If TD doesn't want him, he falls to Treasonists and then sw, who tried to pick him up last.

Everyone else, if you are trying to add someone onto your roster and have a similar problem, email me or make your request for that player here and I'll manually add them to your roster until we can figure out what the problem is.

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 21:55

I still want Trotter. I want to drop RB Mike Anderson.

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 22:05

I do get an email for all drop/adds, but not waiver wire changes --
those I need to look up. I guess I checked some AOL preference
box at some point, but I do get them ALL, which is why I noticed
Trotter being taken so many times!

Nobody claimed him on waivers (I had him 3rd, but got my first
choice...)

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 22:34

You got him TD.

I just checked my settings against the RIFC rules, (for about the thousandth time this season) and my settings are correct, as far as I can tell. I have not seen this issue in the AAA threads.

Judy, all other transactions can be viewed at the game site.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 22:44

Also, Judy, those emails from AOL are sent even if the add/drop does not go through.

I saw several instances where people tried to make transactions when rosters were supposed to be frozen. They were frozen and the transactions did not go through. But it still generated an email.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 02:29

TD, I sent you a trade offer a few days ago. If you don't have notifications on, you may have not gotten it.

judy
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 10:50

AHA -- so the system is lacking a human touch! No problem, I find
out what I need to know!

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 11:08

Ref, I did not receive any trade offers. I don't see any in AOL.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 12:00

TD, got your rejection so you obviously found it.

I had turned down offers for Leftwich earlier in the season. Want to keep him obviously as I can play matchups and he's done well, but also need a big WR.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 12:35

anyone want to trade RB for WR here what i have to offer, R Moss, Bennett, TO, Djax, Furey, and Northcut. also would be intersting in multiplayer deals involving any of my other players.

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:31

I didn't reject the trade offer. I never saw it.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:12

I'm sorry TD, it was VP. My mistake. VP rejected it today.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:23

Just have a minute here before I get back to work.

I noticed that Treasonists was able to pick up G.Wilson last night. He fell under the same category as Trotter. That is, a player who's processing date/time occurred after his game started last week. Wilson was available yesterday, Trotter was not. Trotter was dropped on Saturday, Wilson was dropped Sunday, just before gametime. I don't get it. When I get some time later, I'm going to try a few things to try and figure this out.

Still no answer from AOL.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:26

My guess is that for some strange reason the coding is off. It is like players who weren't yet FAs and still on WW when the freeze occurred have to wait two more days after the rest of the players come off waivers before those players come off.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:49

Yeah, but both should have been available for claims at noon on Wed or FA pickup at 1PM on Wednesday. No one tried to claim them so both should have been available as FAs. Wilson was and Trotter was not.

The Treasonists
Donor
ID: 171572711
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 17:39

I tried to get Wilson earlier and the same thing happened as Trotter.....Wait 2 days. Then it worked later that night. I think I could have got Trotter then and would have if I had known Wilson did not play because of a bad toe nail. Maybe his 2 days expired in the interim. I don't know. Looks like others were ahead of me for Trotter anyways.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Sun, Oct 22, 2006, 21:03

There is another problem. I got an email that wekool swapped the Panthers D for Chris Carr, LB, Oak, at 2:44 PM, Sunday. The Panther's game started at 1 PM EDT. Their game time freeze was 12:55. No transaction should have been allowed to take place.

I get notification of transactions that people try to get through after the gametime freeze every week. This is the first one that's actually gone through.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Sun, Oct 22, 2006, 21:10

I just tried to do an illegal transaction twice. The first time it correctly denied the transaction, siting our league's rule about the gametime freeze. The second time it allowed it.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Sun, Oct 22, 2006, 21:15

I just tried it again and it was allowed.

Someone try to make an illegal add/drop. I'll switch it back tomorrow.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Sun, Oct 22, 2006, 22:29

I just switched my players back to what they were before I was allowed to make illegal transactions.

I only did those transactions to see if they were allowed.

I'm still waiting for someone else to try a transacion.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Sun, Oct 22, 2006, 22:34

The A/C adapter on my laptop just went toes up. This will have no impact on the league, but my business will take a hit while I search for a replacement.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 11:51

I just tried to trade FOR the Panther's D. I got this:

"1. Based on your league's regular season free agency rules, players are locked 5 minutes before kickoff of their game. Panthers, Team Defense was locked on Sun 10/22 12:55p ET."

weykool shuold have gotten the same message when he traded the Panther's D for C.Carr at 2:44 yesterday. Intead the trasaction went through and Carr scored 11.02 points in the late game yesterday.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 11:54

I see no other choice but to disallow this trade and override weykool's final scores.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 12:23

What is the rule?

Carr was picked up before his game started and the Panthers defense was on the bench.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 12:45

Does not matter. Panther's D should have locked at 12:55.

Look under League dropdown->Rules

"Lineup (designating players as starter or bench)
League members are allowed to set their own lineups until: Players lock 5 minutes before kickoff of their game."

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 13:16

I'm trying to understand english here.
This is under the heading of "designating starter or bench"

The Panthers were already on the bench.
If I moved them from the starting position and then dropped them...then I see your point.
But that is not what I did in this case.
I'm not seeing how dropping someone on the bench is a violation of the rules.
I cant find anything in the rules stating that a "locked"" team cant be dropped.

The whole problem stems from having a "glitch" with the system.
I had put Lewis on the bench and started another player but somehow that move didnt take.
During the early games I discovered he was lasted as a starter.
I was not thrilled about having to drop the Panthers defense but it was one of the few moves that were allowed to go through.
The bottom line is if this were an "illegal" transaction then the system should have disallowed it.
If it had disallowed the transaction then I would have been forced to drop one of the two players I had just picked up that were on bye weeks.
Bottomline is Carr would have been in my starting lineup and removing him is totally inappropriate.

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 13:27

It is not clear to me that it is illegal to drop a player that is on your bench during his game. If that was illegal, I don't think weykool knew the rule. Since AOL allowed him to make the drop, then I don't think he should be penalized.

A compromise would be to allow him to drop a player that he could have legally dropped (one of his players on bye), put Panthers defense back on his roster, and allow him to keep Carr and his points this week.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 13:43

For the record I tried to pick up a player not realizing their game had already started and I did get the the illegal move warning.

I then looked for players who had 4:00 games and then selected Carr.

The first thing that needs to be determined is if in fact it was an illegal move.
I think we should get clarification from Guru.

If he rules that it was illegal then you need to put the Panthers back on my roster and drop Carney.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 13:47

"Frozen" means no transactions, no add/drop, no start->bench, or bench->start.

I do see your other point, though. The system should have disallowed the Panther's D-Carr transaction, but because of yet another glitch, it allowed it. If it would have disallowed it, you would have dropped a bye week player to get Carr.

Is that correct? If so, which bye week player would you have dropped?

Barring further objection from the league, I have no problem putting the Panther's D back on your roster, allowing Carr, and removing said bye week player from your team, which would make this a legal transaction.

That seems fair to me and it does not affect your scoring, which I think is also fair, given the circumstances.

I'm going to wait to do anything until the rest of the league gets a chance to digest this additional glitch and make comments on it. But I'm with you, weykool, Carr should be on your roster.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 13:56

"The first thing that needs to be determined is if in fact it was an illegal move.
I think we should get clarification from Guru."

Good idea. He set up the rules. Let's get clarification from Guru.

Ref, what's the best way to do this: send an email, or interrupt the RIFC thread.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 14:20

Actually I'm in the process of compiling a seperate thread in the Football Forum. The AA teams are using AOL also and should be alerted to these glitches.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 14:51

You can't have a transaction after the weekly freeze. So we'd have to reverse any move that somehow was enabled.

You can change a bench player to active lineup and vice versa (like mjd did last week with Twarpy) up to 5 mins before that game, but it is illegal to add/drop/trade a player after the freeze (5 mins before the start of the first game of the week).

I don't think we need to penalize anyone, we just have to put the lineups back to the way they were at the time of the transaction.

If you need another opinion, email Guru. He will get right back to you with an objective opinion.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 15:00

I just set up a tread here

Feel free to add your 2 cents.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 15:07

Ref, my main computer is down and this POS I'm using will not let me send an email, I'm getting them, but I can't send or reply.

Hopefully Guru will see my thread in the Football Forum and respond.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 15:19

I sent a note to guru in your behalf.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 15:39

Thanks, Ref

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 16:31

OK, so apparently you can pick up players after the initial freeze as long as that player's game hasn't frozen yet. But the drop is definitely illegal. Since a Bye week player is never frozen, then it should be legal to add the panther D back and drop that bye week player.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 16:35

I would have dropped Carney.

After all is said and done it is probable that I will still lose both matchups this week.
At least I will still ahve anoutside chance.
Without Carr's points I would have zero chance.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 16:36

I believe we have resolution for weykool's issue. It's been ruled an illegal transaction, so he's getting the Panther's D back and I'm removing a bye week player, J.Carney. Most importantly he keeps Carr and those 11.02 points.

In the future, please be very careful making transactions after the first gametime freeze. I'll be watching them closely and if they're found to be illegal, they will be reversed. Weykool was fortunate to not lose any points, but without a viable work out, he very well could have.

Let's let the games be decided on the field and not in the commissioners office.

As to the Trotter issue: if you try to make what you think is a legal transaction and AOL will not allow it, notify me immediately, here or via email, and I'll look into it.

mjd
ID: 592112011
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 16:47

Move made, weykool should be set.

judy
ID: 7771722
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 17:39

nice job to all involved -- I was out and could not give my "two
cents"

I think things have worked out the way they should.

We also got some "game time freeze" clarifications as well.

Thanks to all who did the research and asked the questions!

The Treasonists
Donor
ID: 171572711
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 17:48

My plan tonight was to drop G. Wilson (NYG) and pick up an IDP on Dallas or NYG before tonite's game. I am hoping in the 2 hours of pre-game they will spend 20 seconds on the status of G. Wilson's toenail and whether he will play or not. That would cut into coverage of TO however, so I'm not sure I can find out.

If this is not legal, let me know.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Oct 23, 2006, 20:56

You should be legal to make that move.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 24, 2006, 13:37

Overall

Game

Team

Pct

Tot

Avg

Tot

Strk

Skeepers

0.93

1980.04

141.43

1647.16

352.52

Can't Beat The Refs

0.71

2043.96

146

1769.28

295.12

2006 Vicious Goats

0.64

1940.3

138.59

1713.02

287.96

The Treasonists

0.64

2070.74

147.91

1904.6

300.44

Muhahos

0.57

2012.2

143.73

1847.5

271.46

Peter N.

0.57

1873.52

133.82

1900.96

284.96

twilson

0.57

1694.64

121.05

1698.54

292.12

TD Dragons

0.5

1878.86

134.2

1807.4

281.64

Master of My Domain

0.5

1864.76

133.2

1895.86

307.16

JUDY CATS

0.5

1612.26

115.16

1795.86

194.4

weykool

0.43

1747.12

124.79

1787.36

276.04

Astade

0.21

1530.24

109.3

1789.54

195

mjd's Upstate Bombers

0.14

1441.74

102.98

1719.78

187.96

smallwhirled

0.07

1383.76

98.84

1797.28

247.68

Total

0.5

25074.14

127.93

25074.14

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Oct 24, 2006, 14:24

Interesting that only 4 teams out of 14 have losing records.

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 24, 2006, 19:39

What I wanna know is who beat Skeepers. I was "ahead" at the end
of the 1 pm games, but within 15 minutes he almost doubled his
score on me!

I managed to scratch out a win with less than 100 points and 7 of
my best folks sitting on the "bye bench". It didn't help that two of
my opponent's players got hurt early on and Dallas had to throw to
try and catch up.

Now I gotta plan for the week 9 byes, but I think I am OK.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 00:39

We just crossed the half way mark. Long way to go.

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 12:25

I really screwed up my waivers this week. I thought I had put in a claim for Lundy this morning, but erroneously put in a claim for the Raiders D instead. I should have been more diligent. At least it wasn't a mistake setting my lineup.

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 13:39

TRADE BAIT/OFFER:

TE Todd Heap or Desmond Clark (I'll keep one of them.)

for RB, Team D, or maybe a WR.

Let the offers flow! (hmmm...)

mjd
ID: 592112011
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 14:04

I'm looking for help at WR.

I got RBs, J.Jones, M.Barber, Portis, or L.Washington in return.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 23:18

Judy:

Trade offer sent.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 12:16

MJD i got R moss, TO, djax, bennett, would be interested in jones or portis. ill here offers.

judy
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 13:12

weykool -- got it -- doing research now... will get back to you!

VP.
ID: 318521715
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 14:43

I'm still looking to move a WR (Smith, Ward, Branch, Berrian), possibly a RB (Johnson, Bell, Benson), and also one of my DEF (Steelers, Chiefs).

Ideally I'm looking for a WR or RB upgrade from someone who is short either a RB (i.e. I give a WR and RB for either a WR or an RB).

For the DEF I'm open to any offers...could use a backup QB though.

I'm also always interested in IDPs

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 14:54

VP:

What about Duece?

The Treasonists
Donor
ID: 171572711
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 14:58

VP: I'd be interested in one of your receivers. Send me an email. I have 3 QB's and a bunch of IDP's. Barlow can go.

weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 15:05

VP...I made a offer you cant refuse.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 00:27

I'm looking for a WR.

I have extra QB, IDPs, I could possibly downgrade a RB.

I made an offer to VP last week but he rejected it without a counter, so not sending another one. If no offers, I'll probably stick with who I have.

mjd
ID: 539232622
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 00:40

Boikin, offer sent.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 02:53

Doesn't seem to matter what I do with this team, it always seems to backfire. The best advice I can give anyone is to pick up whoever I drop. They will surely score well the next week. Several of you have already figured this out and have benefited from it.

That said, last time I looked, the J-E-T-S D was still available.

Blowing the #2 claims priority on a QB who is not starting this week was BRILLIANT.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 02:29

I can't believe that the Steelers would risk Ben's career by playing him so soon after yet another major concussion.

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 02:38

Folks, it's basic common cuortesy in fantasy sports to:

A. Don't play bye week players, except in extreem cases.

B. Make a counteroffer to a trade unless said trade offer is totally out of line.

judy
ID: 7771722
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 11:38

My problem with trade offers is that I have no one to offer except at
the TE position...and I want a good return on that trade -- a good
WR -- at least better than my current #3 or a good RB. I was
looking over some team rosters and some people have 5-7 RB or
WR! No wonder there are none left on the FA list.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 11:55

TE really isn't a posiiton of need for most. Esp. this year.

RE 91 If you don't counter at least send a note with the rejection as to why. Who knows that could open up more dialogue and make a deal work afterall.

judy
ID: 7771722
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 12:35

I will say that for next year, I will know better what positions to
draft early and often! I was essentially clueless this year, but now I
get it!

FYI -- I did send a note with my trade refusal...

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 14:11

Recounter sent to boikin.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 10:57

I thought I was going to trade Barton so I benched him and we didn't end up trading. That cost me 10.5 points! Going to be close this week between me and Judy. Live Scoring shows be down by about 7. I have Chester Taylor tonight and she has Tom Brady. It's actually around 5 points as Dallas wasn't credited yet for one of their fumble recoveries. Guru also pointed this out in post 200 of the RIFC thread. I saw this when I watched the game last night but figured they'd have it corrected this morning.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 15:16

MJD - sorry for long drawn out trade talks after talking to my advisors i decided on waiting.

Does anyone know when the last time to make trades are in the league?

The Treasonists
Donor
ID: 171572711
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 17:45

Ref, Judy....Always nice to have an excuse to watch the Monday night game. Good luck.

judy
ID: 7771722
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 17:57

WELL REF, I think I was confusing the Porter in Oak (Or wherever
he is) with my Porter in PGH and I didn't think my Porter was
ready to play injury wise, so I FA'd Draft of CAR -- My Porter got
me a ton of points on my bench! Dallas Def was lousy until Car
self destructed! I do think you are owed a few more fumble
points for that last disaster.

We shall see who wins tonight! TD has 3 playing and I only have
the one. LT got him 42 points yesterday -- my two RB got 5.5
total! YIPES!

I think each week we need to have a fun award that will go to the
person whose bench does the best! I had 85.98 bench points
this week!

100

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 19:34

Boikin, league trade deadline is Friday, 11/10. When you make a trade offer, you have the option to designate how long that offer is for. IE: week 8, week 9, ect. To be honest after seeing your guys perform this weekend, I didn't expect to hear from you. You have a powerhouse team and I'm not sure you can make it much better.

Judy, other than this week, I'm the king of points left on the bench. This week, I just suck:>(

101

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 22:09

I'm toast.

102

judy
ID: 7771722
Mon, Oct 30, 2006, 23:31

FINALLY -- Brady played like I drafted him to!

103

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 10:33

I don't know where to find the breakdown of the scoring. I can only hope they fixed the error in the Cowboys DST. 4 points may have no bearing, but when the tiebreak is points and how I could actually go from 2nd to 7th next week, every point will count.

104

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 10:38

Overall

Game

Team

Pct

Tot

Avg

Tot

Strk

Skeepers

0.94

2355.88

147.24

1902.86

W11

375.84

The Treasonists

0.69

2405.62

150.35

2146.18

334.88

Can't Beat The Refs

0.69

2288.48

143.03

2031.72

244.52

2006 Vicious Goats

0.69

2220.7

138.79

1913.5

280.4

Muhahos

0.56

2253.76

140.86

2106.58

241.56

twilson

0.56

1988.36

124.27

1991.3

293.72

JUDY CATS

0.56

1916.44

119.78

2059.46

304.18

TD Dragons

0.5

2173.54

135.85

2088.52

294.68

Master of My Domain

0.5

2120.84

132.55

2154.04

256.08

Peter N.

0.5

2083.2

130.2

2175.86

209.68

weykool

0.38

1969.8

123.11

2030.42

222.68

Astade

0.25

1771.84

110.74

2068.32

241.6

mjd's Upstate Bombers

0.13

1659.42

103.71

2047.9

L11

217.68

smallwhirled

0.06

1567.04

97.94

2058.26

183.28

Total

112

0.5

28774.92

128.46

28774.92

105

twilson
ID: 953338
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 11:10

Ref, it looks like you got credit for both of the recovered fumbles.

This is the first I've noticed that team DEF gets points for recovered fumbles rather than forced fumbles. That's silly, as recoveries are completely governed by luck, unlike actually forcing the fumbles.

106

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 14:39

For IDPs, FR count as 1 point and FF count as 2. For team D, any turnover is 2 points, whether it's a FR or int.

107

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 17:54

Also, Team DSTs don't get FF, just IDP.

Where do we see the breakdown for last week's scores. I think I got credit for them finally as I believe I had 14 before and it ended up with 16. Took them long enough. ;)

108

twilson
ID: 953338
Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 20:20

To see your breakdown for last week's score, scroll down the main league page to where it says Prior Week Results and click on your team's name.

109

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 16:41

I know how to see the score of that team. What I want is the breakdown of points for the individual player. In other words, how his points were added up to get the total points for that week.

110

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 18:36

Ref. just click on the player and scroll down for weekly stats.

111

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 18:36

For my first game, I used the league rules regarding points and
made a spreadsheet so I could keep track -- I punched in the
stats and my SS did the point calcs for me for each player.

THEN I realized that there was "live scoring" and that the
computer and AOl were doing it for me!

I think if you take the points rules and apply them to your
players you'll find a pretty good match up. Sometimes, though,
when they review the scores, my player scores (in final games)
get adjusted slightly as the other games go on. I think they
must use the official stats and often those are not ready until the
morning after the game.

I also look at the newspaper stats on Monday for my home team
(Eagles -- sigh) to see if my players stats match their point
totals and they generally do.

112

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 19:01

skeepers -- I sent you a trade offer...

113

VP.
ID: 318521715
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 22:38

Yeah the Live Scoring is considered unofficial...the official scores are what they post overnight, barring any mistakes.

I think Ref is looking to be able to check a team from a previous week and see the score each player put up, not necessarily go through each individual player. This isn't really asking much either...it's a common feature on pretty much any fantasy provider. AOL's system is so bad...it's such a pain in the ass to navigate and it's so slow.

114

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 23:26

He just wants to make sure that the Dallas DST score was correct. Just click a player (Dallas DST) and scroll down to see each week's scoring stats.

6 points-1Int and 2 FR
3 points-3 sacks
1 point-14 points allowed
6 points-204 net yards allowed
=16 points

They got it correct.

115

boikin
ID: 59831214
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 12:53

Judy got your offer i do need a TE but not ready to give up a starting RB for one when my depth at that position is not so good.

116

judy
ID: 7771722
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 14:47

BUMMER

117

boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 13:58

if anyone noticed Guru posted in the RIFC thread that our trade deadline is Friday, Nov. 10 - a week from today.

118

judy
ID: 7771722
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 17:41

Muhahos -- I sent you a trade offer.

119

judy
ID: 7771722
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 18:26

where is the RIFC thread?

120

I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 35834119
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 18:54

What your playing for... an invite to play with the Big Boyz (and Girlz) :)

121

judy
ID: 7771722
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 23:45

FYI I asked AAA about tie breaking rules:
Here they are:
Division Ranking
Teams are ranked within a division using the following order:

1. Overall Winning Percentage
2. Head-to-HEAD Games Played (2 teams only)
3. Most Points For, Season To Date
4. Most Points Against, Season To Date
5. Virtual Coin Toss

Seeds 1-6 are based solely on record. If there was a three-way
tie for 6th place, it would go to whomever has the most points, I
believe. If 2 teams are tied for 6th, per #2 above, head-to-head
records would be used to determine who advances.

After those 6 are decided, W-L records are completely irrelevant.
Of the 8 remaining teams, the two highest scorers would get
seeds 7 and 8.

MY COMMENTS:

So for me, with 11th place total points, I need to WIN to get into
a top 6 spot.

BUMMER!

I do think the rules for 7 and 8 seeds stink... You could have a
better W/L and then lose out. I know it happens in the NFL but
they have conference titles, etc. Here it is one "conference". It
should be if you WIN you are IN!

122

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 11:48

Judy, see post 7.

123

judy
ID: 7771722
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 12:07

It still stinks!

124

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 12:34

You control your own destiny. You still have plenty of time.

As of now:

1 Skeepers
2 The Treasonists
3 Can't Beat The Refs
4 2006 Vicious Goats
5 Muhahos
6 twilson
7 TD Dragons
8 Master of My Domain

Compare that to post 15. Two different teams have been added in two weeks.

Judy, Peter N and weykool are right there.

125

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 09:30

Greg Jennings (questionable) reportedly has some lingering soreness in his injured ankle that has again put his status for Week 9 in doubt.

The rookie wideout will be a game-time decision against the Bills after tweaking his ankle again late in the week. Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said Jennings looked "tentative" in practice Friday. Jennings now looks like someone to keep on fantasy benches in Week 9.

126

judy
ID: 241057511
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 12:57

Jeez thanks ref. i wasn't going to use him anyway this week, but
thanks...

127

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 13:05

Just got back into town, sorry guys. I'll make the switch now. If you want those players in you lineups, just let me know.

My bad

128

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 13:30

Gotta be in timely fashion though

129

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 20:00

Astade left two players who had byes in his lineup against me this week. Does anyone know if he is still actively managing his team?

130

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 21:17

Haven't heard anything from him. There are other teams who have questionable players in their lineups as well. Perhaps they didn't hear about their players' injuries or suspensions.

Seems like very week I play a team that has a player or two that just go nuts and kill me. I've been fortunate enough to be able to still win against a few of them but lately it's been tough. Looks like I will split again this week.

Some big upsets are brewing as of almost halftime of the Sunday night game...smallwhirled is leading Judy with players still playing for both sides. Same with mjd ahead of Muhahos. And even with those bye week players in his lineup Astade is ahead of Peter N.

131

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 21:42

Every manager has visited the site as of Wednesday, 11/1.

Seen it in almost every league I've ever been in, some managers are more active than others.

132

judy
ID: 7771722
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 22:01

smallwhirled had three bye players.

133

judy
ID: 7771722
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 22:03

brady is KLLLING me! 1.56 at halftime!

134

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 22:43

sw has 4 bye players but they are all on his bench.

135

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 23:28

Brady is not a stat machine. He just wins super bowls. No points for that in fantasy football.

137

judy
ID: 7771722
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 23:45

On my live scoring, 3 AZ players -- James, Def and Wilson are all
listed as starters -- they all have byes -- why is this different from
post #134?

138

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 00:00

Either hit refresh or close out and get back in. You must have had it open since before he switched them out early this morning or something.

139

judy
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 08:04

wow -- look at all the close finishes this week!

Re Brady 1.34 - I realize now that he is not a stat master, but 4
INTS is a bit much for someone like him. I have come to expect
only about 10 points from him.

I need a big night from the OAK def to win tonight! The way my
total points is going, I'll move DOWN from 11th! sheesh!

REF when the week's results are posted tomorrow, would you also
post the current playoff picture? (cf link #124)

140

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:10

Two teams agreed on a trade on Saturday. Trades must be reviewed leaguewide for 24 hours. If three or more managers protest, a leaguewide vote is taken. If less than 3 protest it, the commish approves it after said 24 hours.

The problem with this trade is that AOL generates a leaguewide email and unless each manager has the "Notify me of all trades" box checked, they don't get it. I didn't see it until Sunday at about 12:45 since the hotel I stayed at this weekend had wireless access that was out. I would have announced it and it could have been pushed through before yesterday's games. But I didn't. And I doubt everyone is getting the AOL email allerts.

So in the future, (yeah, I know the trade deadline is Friday) when all parties agree to a trade, post the announcement on this public forum where we conduct league business. If someone misses it, it's on them.

So now I'd like to announce our first trade:

Judy trades Todd Heap, TE, Balt to Muhahos for Greg Jennings, WR, GB.

Barring any protests, this trade will be processed in 24 hours.

141

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:36

It's odd that Muhahos made the trade Sunday morning, but yet left an injured and suspended player in his active lineup. Maybe he had missed the news on them.

Re 139: No problem

142

leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:49

Muhahos didn't have internet access after the morning as he usually works every other weekend. He actually called me to help change his lineup (actually to make a FA pickup), but I didn't have access at the time either.

143

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:53

I could see where he might have missed Plax, but the Merriman situation was announced right after last week's games.

But then, I'm the last person who should be talking about leaving points on the bench. Even though I've not played a bye week or suspended player this year, I have played a few who just didn't show up.

"Hello, Mr, Galloway, nice to see you this week."

144

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:55

Yeah I wish I hadn't heard about Plax for this league as I benched Edwards and picked up Tim Carter. OMG that was a bad move that cost me a bunch of points!

145

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 16:14

That's pretty uncharacteristic of you, Ref. I saw you made that move to Carter and expected big numbers from him. But then again, I saw Houston at home as a huge trap game for the Giants. I'm actually pretty impressed that they were able to win the game. Good thing it was the Texans.

146

judy
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 22:18

man, Oakland stinks. At least their defense is getting lots of time
on the field to do maybe some good things -- say a sack or 2 or
3???

This is going to be a close call with smallwhirled -- probably won't
know for sure until tomorrow..unless it gets totally out of hand...

147

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 00:01

It's amazing that I'd even glance at a terrible game like this, but we have a couple of games on the line here, so I'm watching it with interest.

Low satisfaction early with my team, but I'll take great satisfaction in being a spoiler.

148

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 10:31

I am doomed...

I guess I'll try and play spoiler like mjd...

149

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 11:17

Judy,it looks like you're still on the bubble at 9-9, with several others.

150

TD
Sustainer
ID: 036331011
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 11:49

Judy, you are 9-9. If you end up with a winning record, you will probably make the playoffs. Too bad you are finished playing my team because you always seem to come up with big weeks against me.

151

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 12:47

Overall

Game

Team

Pct

Tot

Avg

Tot

Strk

Skeepers

0.94

2657

147.61

2117.4

W13

301.12

The Treasonists

0.72

2709.82

150.55

2376.66

304.2

Can't Beat The Refs

0.67

2545.4

141.41

2321.68

256.92

2006 Vicious Goats

0.61

2453.78

136.32

2217.48

233.08

Peter N.

0.56

2390.04

132.78

2423.74

306.84

TD Dragons

0.56

2511.64

139.54

2348.32

338.1

Muhahos

0.5

2495.88

138.66

2376.38

242.12

Master of My Domain

0.5

2361.56

131.2

2409.38

240.72

twilson

0.5

2223.24

123.51

2253

234.88

JUDY CATS

0.5

2101.6

116.76

2309.56

185.16

weykool

0.39

2245.6

124.76

2302.88

275.8

mjd's Upstate Bombers

0.22

1942.1

107.89

2286.4

282.68

Astade

0.22

2034.52

113.03

2390.94

262.68

smallwhirled

0.11

1763.04

97.95

2301.4

196

Total

126

0.5

32435.22

128.71

32435.22

152

boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 13:49

the fight for the final playoff spots is going to be crazy and with the last two qualifiers being based on total pts it looks like probably only the bottom 3 are out of the playoff chase.

153

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 15:13

Top 8 as listed would al be in the playoffs as of now.

twilson and Judy are a game out and weykool is 3 games out--unless they make up the point spread where they'd gain a game.

154

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 15:20

Actually with tiebreaks, they could have to add another game and if you score enough points, it won't matter how many games you're back.

155

weykool
ID: 449372718
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 15:25

The question is....If Weykool can somehow make it into the playoffs could he be a serious threat to do sme damage one Alexander comes back.

All 7 wins have come without SA and will be interesting to see how many wins he can get with him.

"Watch out McDonalds"

156

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 15:55

The trade announced in post 140 is official.

157

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 17:31

I just got an email saying mjd trade Leon Washington for Greg Jennings.

I usually don't meddle in other people's trades, but that seems wholy uneven.

158

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 17:34

Another trade announcement

mjd's Upstate Bombers has traded:
RB Leon Washington, NYJ

And received from JUDY CATS:
WR Greg Jennings, GB

159

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 17:50

If 3 people protest this trade within 24 hours, it goes to a league wide vote.

Sure I'm not happy about Jennings reinjury of his sprained ankle, but I'm willing to take a chance on him.

I've tried to make what I though were equitable trades in this league, and I have come to realize that if I want some player, I'm going to have to overpay.

And we're talking about a Jets rookie RB.

160

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 17:57

We have four weeks left in the season, right? 8 games?

161

weykool
ID: 449372718
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 18:56

Judy:
There are 14 teams you play each one twice.....not including yourself.
So 26 games.
Played 18 so far so 8 games left.
The 4 week push to the finish.

162

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 22:30

I know that the trading deadline is this friday, but does the waiver
wire stay active? If so, for howlong?

163

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 22:56

WW and the weekly claims process go on through the end of our regular season.

Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.

There are also roster limitation rules for the playoffs. They are as follows:

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

164

judy
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 23:05

OOOH

there's a consolation bracket? I need consolation!

165

weykool
ID: 449372718
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 23:44

Nice a bracket for me and Judy that we can finally dominate.
See you in the finals Judy.

166

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 00:15

Consolation bracket=toilet bowl

see you there.

167

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 09:37

My point was you traded a starting RB who is playing very well for a 3rd string rookie WR who is banged up. She just traded a TE for him yesterday. So in effect she just traded a TE for a starting RB. Not even a top TE. Good for Judy. Like I said, I don't like to mess with other people's trades, but just wanted it on record as I don't think that's a good trade at all for you mjd.

168

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:08

As always, Ref, I appreciate your comments and respect your point of view. I've offered Washington, Jones, Barber, and Portis alone and in combo to nearly every team in this league. More than half, didn't even acknowledge the trade offer.

Before his reinjury, Jennings was the #2 WR. OK, maybe he misses a week, I just signed Martin as a handcuff.

While were at it let's review the nightmare that my WR corps has become (I sense a rant coming, sorry)

Joey Galloway, I read an article recently that said the QB change has hurt him. Then what about the big squadoosh he put up in week 1 when Simms was QB. He did put up a 20+ game last week. If it weren't for byes in week 9, he might have been on your team. I'd seen more than enough through week 8.

Troy Williamson, #1 option of a Brad Johnson led passing attack. Not great, but produced 2 double digit games before his hands turned to stone and he got dinged up. Week 9 numbers were 0.40 points against the mighty 49er's D. For the year, he's caught less than 50% of balls thrown to him for 323 yards and 0 TDs. If I drop him now, you'll pick him up after he clears wavers and he'll have a career day, next week.

Jerrico Cotchery, WW pickup, decent production for someone I did not draft.

Chad Johnson, 4th or 5th option for Brady, at best.

Troy Walters, another WW pickup. Double digit production in week 8 while he was riding pine. My bad, but he'll have little or no value when Fitz comes back this week.

I do see your point, a starting RB will get more chances than a 2nd or 3rd WR. I would never make this trade in a keeper league, because Washington definately has potential, but not this year IMO.

Hey, Judy's first offer was Portis for a TE, straight up. I countered with "Offer me a WR averaging between 8 and 10 points/game and I'll consider Washington" Jennings getting reinjured was unfortunate.

One last thing, in fantasy sports, just like in real life, a commodity is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it, no matter what it's percieved value is.

169

boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:22

how do we protest? not saying i will just asking.

man i should have been paying attention i would have given up one of my bum WRs.

170

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:31

Email the commish or better yet, since I'm a party in the trade, post them here.

171

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:34

boikin, I thought we might get something done last week

172

boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:40

yeah MJD i was not thinking i should have moved down your list to one of your lessor RBs for one of my lessor WRs, should have been thinking about getting some bench support instead of starting support. oh well lesson learned on my part.

173

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:55

I'm not sure very many teams could improve your starters.

174

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:55

Hey ref -- I traded Heap -- how is he not a "top TE"? (#167)
Look at all the lists -- he is in the top five -- (Personally, I do
not think he is top five, but he consistently makes those lists in
lots of the www I go to for "advice"...)

I just had two good TE's (7-8 pts ave.) and no one wanted D
Clark (CHI), so I decided to roll with Clark and dump Heap -- I
looked at all the rosters to find someone who needed a TE and
muhahos TE were earning him/her(?) half the points of Heap, so
I offered.

I no longer need two TE. I might even get lucky with Berrian
injured, although Grossman better wake up soonest.

175

boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 15:59

almost true MJD until you see my TE, man and i drafted McSuckles what was i thinking. maybe he will turn it around with harrington at QB.

176

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 16:15

I'm not piling on here, Ref. I enjoy debating a point of view. But I'm still searching for Washington's merit of "playing well". He was just recently handed the starter's job and tore it up against Detroit.

Last week's 15/51 no catch, no TD game against Cle, was less than impressive and his next 2 games against the Pats and the Bears don't make me want to keep him.

Washington could be bench help for someone heading into the playoffs and that ain't me.

I feel you boikin, I've learned a few lessons myself.

177

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 18:58

Piling on? mjd, I wouldn't have made your trade. I think it's a bad move. I didn't protest. I stated my opinion. You stated yours--which is not needed since it is obvious that you like it or you wouldn't have made the deal.

My crystal ball broke a long time ago so we can just take a look over the next few weeks and find out who's right. I've made a lot of trading blunders in my time.

178

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 19:33

I'll agree to disagree.

179

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 19:54

mjd, that goes without saying. There is no debate here.

181

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 20:58

Game on weykool (#165)

Best of the worst is on the line!

182

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 22:25

This sucker's getting heavy. Let's continue here

183

judy
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 22:33

the link went to the same place -- oops.

184

Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 22:41

Heh. I think mjd meant here.

185

mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 22:48

Thanks MC.

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