Posted by: Shak
- [156371210] Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 09:19
Welcome to the 2007 Survivor Playoff Challenge. The scoring rules will be the same as Survivor with the exception of the D/ST. I believe the D/ST scoring is 6 points for a TD, two points for any turnovers, and 1 point for each sack. Correct me if I'm wrong. All entrants may submit up to two teams. Each team will select a lineup each week using one of the following formations:
Each team may use a player only once, i.e. if Brady is your QB this weekend, you may not use him again, even if NE reaches the SB. Email your entries to me or post them on this thread prior to kickoff Saturday. I'm playing golf, but I will post everyone's entry ASAP after kickoff.
The entry fee is $10 per team and will be payable to the winner immediately following the SB. The new rule for this year is there will be no controversy and everyone will pay the winner promptly, no matter how badly you may dislike me, err, I mean him/her. Get those entries in!
Email lineups to me at shakj@yahoo.com. Git 'er done!
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Joe
ID: 31154208 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 14:09
Im up for as many teams as you guys want...that just means more money for me at the end, good luck ednecks, and good job to all the winners this year!
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Superclydes
ID: 3211211414 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 15:01
I sent my teams in to Ed and Jim. I will try and get at least one other person tonight.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 15:45
I will play one team and just emailed my roster to Shak.
Is RBP around and does his email addy still end with @osan.af.mil? I want to make sure he got my last email.
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dwfffan
ID: 1910222619 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 16:24
Is this open to anyone?
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 16:30
Nope, he is at @elmendorf.af.mil
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Joe
ID: 31154208 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 17:09
Shak you get my picks. Let me know, somebody answer Dwfffan, I would hate to answer and step on the necks feet!
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 17:57
I won't say, it will be up to Shak. I am just here to give my money away:o(
I changed my picks, sent them to the usuals.
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:07
dwffan, it is by invitation only. Do you know any of the guys from our Survivor league?
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:09
I have entries from: Shak Ed JHHH TB SC Prowler Harmon Joe
Did I miss anyone?
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:11
dwffan, the reason I said it was invitation only is because payment is by the honor system. If you are willing to send me your payment via paypal today or tomorrow, we can get you in.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:19
Shak-- my lineups were sent and the one team with Manning as the QB..that's Peyton not Eli.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:22
Shak my brother Ted will probably send a lineup in soon, he played last year and is the quiet neck!!
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Fri, Jan 05, 2007, 19:24
Damn, and the Barber in my lineup is Tiki not Marion..I'm losing it.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 04:13
A friend of mine is going to a draft today, yes, I said draft. Eight teams, eight players. You only draft once and no trades. You survive with what players you draft. Basically Survivor for the playoffs. I have been trying to help him out in strategy, stop laughing, and it is really difficult. Lineups are QB,RB,RB/WR,WR,WR,TE,K, and D. The more I think about it, the harder it seems to be to even get the first round pick solid. Having to guess who is going all of the way or who may put up huge points one week ( LJ ) and be enough to carry you through.
This definitely is something we should think about for next year. Roll the bones immediately after last game and start the draft on Monday. Should be able to complete it before the first round of playoffs. What do you think?
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 09:24
We did that a few years back from JHHH's house if you remember, I think we had a few guys drafting via the phone and email with about 6-7 of us watching the game at Jons. It was tough I remember, you lost players each week and even though there was always a clear cut favorite team to make it all way it was very hard to not draft a guy like LJ. Me and Jon were talking baout this weeks game and you really can make a case for any of them winning, none are clear cut favorites except for maybe NE. You would say Indy, but that rushing defense is so bad any team can beat them now.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 09:54
I think Indy will win, but I won't rule out KC. I think Philly will beat the Giants, unless Tiki unloads again. The toughest game to pick was the Dallas game. I am not a big favorite of Dallas and them playing away from home with a rookie QB, the nerves might get to him. Rothleskljfkser looked terrible his first time in the playoffs and the Pitt D pulled him through. The only thing going for Dallas is that Alexander isn't the same as the past two years and their WR's are all banged up. NE should put a beating on, but who knows.
I don't remember doing that draft, but if I did, I probably lost anyway. New strategy this year though. Heck I can only get better right?
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 10:07
Mike I have every confidence in your ability to draft a winning lineup. Saying that I probably have put more Mike dollars in the bank then anyone else's:)
here's my take on the game's. Indy/KC will be a shootout one running the ball and the other passing at will. Philly game with come down to Eli not making mistakes if that happen then Philly wins. The Jets have already beaten NE, but I can't see that happening again. Dallas/ Seattle game is a tossup with the hawks a slight edge because of the way Dallas played the later part of the season..and Romo has to play well and get the ball to Glenn and TO as much as possible.
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JHHH
ID: 68342216 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 10:41
Mike....send me your home email address. hobdy@tiscali.co.uk
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 12:08
I have to agree with you on that one Ed. The Indy game will be a shootout and it will all matter on how well Peyton can do in order to catch up to LJ's 250 and 3 TD's, could be first half totals.
Philly game will go their way. Eli hasn't looked too great as of late and got a butt whooping last time they played.
New England should roll over the Jets. This one could actually see players being rested in the 4th quarter!!
Dallas could sneak this one out if Romo is patient. The crowd could play a big influence on this one. With DJ questionable, it puts a big kink in their offense. I am sure he will play, but he probably won't be 100%. Still calling this one with a flip of a coin though.
No RBP or STB? Someone give them a call!!
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 14:51
Joe,
Where am I sending my money to you? I might want to wait because if you have two teams, you will end up owing me $10!! A warning to you all if you are debating about two teams or not. That should get the Ednecks fired up!!
Superclydes@yahoo.com
Gee only about an hour and a half until kickoff!! Not that I am excited or anything. I love these playoffs.
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JHHH
ID: 68342216 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 15:22
Joe doesn't ever accept money when he wins these things. He makes sooo much tax free cash in Kosovo he doesn't see $40 or $50 or $200 helping him out much. I keep trying to convince him that I'm his long lost brother with four kids to feed and if he's feeling so generous that he could send some of that Kosovo cash to me. Especially after all the clothes that I've sent him over the years....even if they were a few sizes too small. Sorry about that Joe:)
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 15:32
I've heard that Joe is so young he still has his baby teeth. I think he just likes to show off and pretend he's Donald Trump..
He's taking my $10 bucks if I have to send it to his long lost mother.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 16:25
Jon, like you are in desperate need of cash!! I know I have made a bundle so far and you have far outclassed me. Too bad the VPHM took a dump. I am still clinging on though.
6 minutes and counting!!
Can't wait to see everyone else's picks!!
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 16:31
Shak... sent you 2 team line-ups from me. Email went out at 330pm... right on the nose.
Show me da $$$$$
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 17:59
That should didn't go to plan. Green 2 yards passing, LJ looking slow and Manning with 2 picks....Ouch hopefully for most teams.
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Shak
ID: 40747240 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 18:31
I emailed the lineups to everyone. Let me know if you haven't received it.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 20:06
How come Buddy doesn't have a TE listed for either team and for Buddy 1 is his kicker Akers?
I will post some numbers on who was selected for this week in a bit.
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 00:29
Buddy's TE is Witten for both teams. He listed Feely as his K, but I think we should make it Akers unless we hear differently.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 11:35
I am a bit confused as to what TB is saying. Are those how many teams had each player? What is wrong with Akers for his kicker?
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 11:59
My kicker for Team 2 is Jay Feely, NYG. What's wrong with him Shak?
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Joe
ID: 31154208 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 16:10
Thanks for the love guys but I will be accepting the money this year due to the fact that I am nearly fired......I think JHHH handed me his "good player" jinx due to the fact that LJ and Alexander both had their worst games ever and manning played like his little brother. I would advise anyone that did not play P. Manning to choose him next week cause he is going to make up for this week....getting ready for the eagles game so talk to you all soon. Leave my mom alone Ednecks...
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 16:25
On the spreadsheet sent out by Shak it has Philly listed as the kicker for Buddy 1 and Akers listed as the kicker for Buddy 2. I was just trying to get clarification on who his kicker was. He also had no TE listed for either team on the spreadsheet.
Yes, Clyde, their are 16 teams and the players listed above are who were selected for this week. That means that 14 out of 16 of us wasted a slot starting LJ this week, so the damage was actually minimal.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 18:27
It doesn't look like anyone has gone out and put up huge numbers. Harmon looks to be in the lead as of half time in the Philly game. Some piss poor performances are keeping the scores low. Look for next week to be a critical week.
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 19:17
Sorry, Feely is good. I was thinking he was still with Atl.
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sun, Jan 07, 2007, 21:04
This isn't official, as Shak is the scorekeepin guru, but its what I came up with. There may be errors, so don't get hung up with my #'s... wait for Shak's. I've never seen it this bunched up. Everyone is still alive. Kudos to Harm and Prowler, as they have 4 of the top 6 spots... by my math.
Picks of the week, IMO where 1 owner taking Stevens (high scorer), and 1 owner taking Addai (#2 high scorer).
No one capitalized on Pennington, J. Jones, D. Clark, or J. Gaffney... who all had great weeks.
Last year the payouts were 2nd place wins his money back and winner takes the rest. I don't see anything wrong with keeping it the same. 16 teams entered.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 10:06
I see two errors in Gonzo and Witten Gonzo= 4 for 25 with a TD= 12 Witten 3 for 57 and a fumble= 6
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TB
ID: 19425813 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 10:53
Shak, that was Trash, not me. I took at glance at the scoring and only found the same ones that Ed posted above.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 11:41
Yup. I guess it's time to get those reading glasses.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 12:07
Those two changes effect just about everyone's score.
Shak--Way to easy to miss out on a fumble, 2pt play when your doing it my looking a the gamecenter @ NFL.com so making a mistake is no big deal. Believe me I'm just glad your doing the sheet and you always do a great job.
TB-- I enjoyed the list of players being used, it helped me see who could make a difference..like Westbrook, Addai Stevens, Keep coming...and Thanks for the head start Joe!
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TB
ID: 72253110 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 14:26
Right on, Ed. I will make the corrections from week one (2 more Witten and change 1 Akers to Feely) and have a running total column too. It's good to know who has which players left to use, especially going into the championship games.
I will echo your comments on Shak too. I think that after I win I will let him keep one team's entry fee for doing the grunt work.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 19:19
What are the scoring rules for defenses? How much is a sack worth and how much is an INT worth?
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 20:27
I tried to keep it simple -- 2 points for TOs and 1 point for sacks.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 22:25
Not to rub in in but when you play a SEC team you better bring the lumber, much more physical then any other league, especially the PAC 2 :). OSU looks a little shell shocked..I still think they can make it a game 34-14 at the half..20 points hard to make up against a good Florida Defense...
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 22:30
Not biting.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 22:32
Plain and simple, The Big 10 11 was overated this year. They are going to end up 2-5 in bowls and neither the Rose or BSC look to be close games. Hard to believe how many people were clamoring for the OSU-Michigan rematch for the BCS. If that happened, I am sure we'd be seeing OSU crowned champs and none the wiser.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Jan 08, 2007, 22:47
Smart move Shak..
Even Kentucky won a Bowl game this year..OSU has been an elite team for years, so it's hard to argue with their success, but I tend to agree that the whole Big 10 in general was a little overrated. Sometimes certain teams just match up better against others...Florida plays USC and the outcome might be different..hard to say, it isn't over yet!!!
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Fri, Jan 12, 2007, 11:03
Get your lineups in! Here's mine:
Shak 1 Payton Alexander Westbrook J Lewis Wayne Graham Bears Akers
Shak 2 Garcia J Lewis McAllister Stallworth Wayne Heap Bears Carney
Be advised there are two D Clarks at TE this weekend (Dallas Clark (Ind) and Desmond Clark (Chi))
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Fri, Jan 12, 2007, 11:21
Making a substitution on Shak 2 LT in for McAllister
I have lineups for JHHH, Ednecks, and Harmon.
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JHHH
ID: 68342216 Fri, Jan 12, 2007, 16:01
Joe...several of us would like to pay you for your Pick 4 win. Do you have a paypal account we can send it to?
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Fri, Jan 12, 2007, 18:27
I have mine ready, but just waiting to hear for any last minute updates. Hate to see a player fall over a suitcase at home and break ribs, have a freak competitor bash their knee, or end up arrested as part of a murder inquiry. Not that that happens to any of our great sports players. OR GASP, they are accused of using banned substances!!! That for certain wouldn't happen.
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Joe
ID: 481054199 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 09:49
Sorry for taking so long guys....I have a paypal account but what is needed to get money from paypal..just my email address...dumb question huh..been out of it for a while and the situation in the office is bad....like me quitting or being fired bad, they decided to move me from the J2 section while I was on leave so now I have a new job and I dont know what to do..ok, enough complaining...you can see the frustration in my picks..here they are
Rivers
LT Jamal Lewis Benson
Reggie Wayne
Heap
Kaeding
Baltimore
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 11:21
Superclydes I
T. Brady B. Westbrook L. Tomlinson R. Wayne R. Brown J. Stevens A. Viniateri Chicago
Superclydes II
J. Garcia R. Bush C. Dillon R. Caldwell M. Harrison D. Clark S. Gostkowski Baltimore
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 15:26
I emailed my line-up to Shak yesterday, but will post it here too.
QB D. Brees RB B. Westbrook RB J. Lewis WR R. Brown WR M. Colston TE T. Heap K J. Carney D B. Ravens
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 15:52
My line-ups:
Buddy 1 Brees LT Bush Henderson Muhammad Gates SD Gould
Buddy 2 Brees LT Ja. Lewis Harrison Mason Heap Bal Carney
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 15:54
Posting this for Prowler
Prowler I
D. Brees J. Lewis S. Alexander M. Colston R. Wayne LJ Smith A. Vinitieri Philly
Prowler II
D. Brees J. Lewis S. Alexander R. Bush B. Berrian D. Clark S. Gostkowski Seattle
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 16:36
Last minute change to Prowler I
Remove Philly D
Add Baltimore
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 21:18
SC, I'm going to assume you meant Dallas Clark for you and the Prowler.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 00:20
Shak I know it's only a prelib week 2 sheet, but Duece has 33 not 27 you must have missed a TD.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 04:08
Yes, it was Dallas Clark.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 04:32
If Desmond Clark does better, can I have his score instead??
Just kidding. What a game for Viniateri!
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 15:37
WEEK TWO
WEEK ONE
TOTAL
QB
QB
QB
D. BREES
7
P. MANNING
10
P. MANNING
11
J. GARCIA
3
J. GARCIA
2
D. BREES
7
T. BRADY
2
T. ROMO
2
J. GARCIA
5
P. RIVERS
2
E. MANNING
1
T. BRADY
2
P. MANNING
1
M. HASSELBECK
1
P. RIVERS
2
S. MCNAIR
1
16
T. ROMO
2
16
S. MCNAIR
1
E. MANNING
1
M. HASSELBECK
1
32
RB
RB
RB
J. LEWIS
9
L. JOHNSON
14
L. JOHNSON
14
B. WESTBROOK
8
T. BARBER
9
B. WESTBROOK
11
L. TOMLINSON
7
S. ALEXANDER
8
S. ALEXANDER
11
R. BUSH
6
B. WESTBROOK
3
T. BARBER
9
S. ALEXANDER
3
J. ADDAI
1
J. LEWIS
9
C. BENSON
2
L. WASHINGTON
1
L. TOMLINSON
7
T. JONES
1
M. BARBER
1
R. BUSH
6
D. MCALLISTER
1
C. DILLON
1
C. DILLON
2
C. DILLON
1
38
C. BENSON
2
38
T. JONES
1
D. MCALLISTER
1
J. ADDAI
1
L. WASHINGTON
1
M. BARBER
1
76
WR
WR
WR
M. HARRISON
5
T. OWENS
10
M. HARRISON
12
R. WAYNE
5
M. HARRISON
7
T. OWENS
10
R. BROWN
4
R. WAYNE
3
R. WAYNE
8
M. COLSTON
3
T. GLENN
3
R. BROWN
5
D. HENDERSON
2
L. COLES
1
M. COLSTON
3
D. STALLWORTH
2
E. KENNISON
1
T. GLENN
3
M. CLAYTON
1
R. BROWN
1
D. HENDERSON
2
M. MUHAMMED
1
26
D. STALLWORTH
2
D. MASON
1
M. CLAYTON
1
R. CALDWELL
1
M. MUHAMMED
1
B. BERRIAN
1
D. MASON
1
26
R. CALDWELL
1
B. BERRIAN
1
L. COLES
1
E. KENNISON
1
52
TE
TE
TE
T. HEAP
5
T. GONZALES
8
T. GONZALES
8
A. GATES
4
J. WITTEN
4
T. HEAP
5
DALLAS CLARK
3
J. SHOCKEY
1
A. GATES
4
J. STEVENS
2
LJ. SMITH
1
J. WITTEN
4
LJ. SMITH
1
J. STEVENS
1
J. STEVENS
3
D. GRAHAM
1
C. BAKER
1
DALLAS CLARK
3
16
16
LJ. SMITH
2
D. GRAHAM
1
J. SHOCKEY
1
C. BAKER
1
32
D
D
D
RAVENS
6
PATRIOTS
8
PATRIOTS
8
BEARS
5
EAGLES
4
RAVENS
6
CHARGERS
3
COWBOYS
2
BEARS
5
SEAHAWKS
2
COLTS
1
EAGLES
4
16
SEAHAWKS
1
CHARGERS
3
16
SEAHAWKS
3
COWBOYS
2
COLTS
1
32
K
K
K
CARNEY
3
BROWN
5
BROWN
5
GOSTKOWSKI
3
NUGENT
4
AKERS
5
AKERS
3
AKERS
2
NUGENT
4
STOVER
2
VINATIERI
2
VINATIERI
4
VINATIERI
2
FEELY
1
GOSTKOWSKI
4
GOULD
2
GOSTKOWSKI
1
CARNEY
3
KAEDING
1
TYNES
1
STOVER
2
16
16
GOULD
2
KAEDING
1
FEELY
1
TYNES
1
32
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Jan 15, 2007, 09:52
I told Jon I don't see any reason to not play LT on both my teams because If they win he's probably got 30-40 points anyway and If they lose he's probably scores nicely as will. I saw it as a Win-Win situation with the worst case senerio the other teams will have LT going against the Indy Defense next week, which would have been nice for them. I honestly thought NE had a chance to win and it was a good gamble to get my points while I could. I mean their not to many scoring options on the NE team for the rest of the way out. I was a little surprized that only 7 teams started LT and that I was the only team to start McAllister.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Jan 15, 2007, 16:29
Your picks worked out well for you. I was saving LT for the superbowl. Had SD and NO both made it to the superbowl, it sure would have made your starting RB decision for that game easier.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Jan 15, 2007, 19:29
I think the whole Idea is to get the maximum points from a player no matter when you play him. I can understand trying to gain an advantage during the Superbowl by saving some of these Studs, but If your too far behind by then or they get knocked out then it was a waste. Like everything else sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. If I play Duece and he gets 5 points and you guys that waited might have gotten the 33 points later on...certainly luck and a calculated risk sometimes works out!!
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Jan 15, 2007, 23:31
You are absolutely correct, but I was also thinking in terms of having viable starters for that superbowl too. It would be like having already started P. Manning and T. Brady. That gives you the choice of starting Grossman or Brees this week, hoping he has a good game, but his team loses so you actually have a QB to start in the superbowl. Having LT score so well and get booted worked out perfectly for those who started him. I really expected him to score big no matter who he played against so was "saving" him. Trust me, if I could make decisions in hindsight, I would have started him this week.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Tue, Jan 16, 2007, 03:35
I mean the perfect playoff would have been to be within 15 points of the lead going into the SB and still have Manning or LT plus a shit load of RB's like Bush, McAllister. I think that's unrealistic to think that you could actually play players that lost and still scored great at the same time. Most likely to happen is you have guys like Dillon/caldwell/Maloney/Henderson/Gaffney/Colston left and your stuck playing those players just like the rest of us. I mean right now your sitting pretty if you still have Manning/Brady/Bush/Duce/Jones/Berrian/Colston still left..Right now on my leading team I will have either Brady or Manning to start in the SB and, Either Bush/Benson/Addai/Jones/Dillon at the RB spot. At this point no big name WR's are left except except INDY's Harrison/Wayne. Bottom line is I will be certain to have a great QB left at least two RB's left and my only question mark is weather I'll have a Kicker. It's not over by a longshot, I won a few years ago on the last week with a Delhomme to Mush 70+ yard TD in the waining momments of the SB and won it when it was looking like a certain win for someone else....I think anyone within 25 points of the lead going into the SB has a legit chance of winning.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Tue, Jan 16, 2007, 07:15
I have to cross my fingers and hope that Grossman has a good game, but not enough to beat NO. Not likely that Grossman will have a good game, but I think Brees will be in the big dance. The Saints have a decent D and have a lot of weapons at offense. If I want points from a QB for both weeks, I believe I will have to go with Grossman. I screwed myself for AFC QB's. I really didn't think Indy would beat Baltimore and with the Pats on the road and SD having rested a week, especially with LT, I expected them to go through as well. Not liking my chances right now as Ed still has a chance with either team. I can only hope he picks different than me and his team doesn't score. All it takes though is one different pick and having that player go off.
I keep feeling that having two teams is kinda cheating. It would be much more difficult to only have one team. This way you get to experiment with both teams on who to pick each week. If one teams goes, who cares, your other team will probably have produced. I can see the other way as well trying to get two teams up in contention, but as the weeks go by, one of your teams will probably run out of players. Just rambling.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 14:13
Mike having two teams isn't cheating but it does increase your odds of winning a little bit no matter what Shak says. I think i've proven that you can score large with both teams.."excuse me I'm trying to get my large head into the door."
I hope I havn't made most of you clowns start thinking about Baseball season already :-)
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RBP
ID: 15842222 Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 23:29
It also increases your chances of losing...
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 03:13
Ok, cheating was a bit strong, but it does make it easier on weekly decisions.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 09:55
Arrrrrggggggg. Do we really want to dig up this dead horse?? Ed, you are truly the master of the obvious: "it does increase your odds of winning a little bit." Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I ever disagreed with that very simple premise.
Let me ask this. Was it a good idea to go to two leagues in Survivor? I think it was because if you lost a team early in one league, you still had a 2nd chance in the other league. The same holds true here. Joe and TB elected to go with one team in the playoff challenge and neither is doing very well. If they had a second team, maybe they would still have a horse in the race. Jon and my teams will tell you that's not a certainty, but it does increase the odds of having at least one good entry.
At this point, I don't think it makes the strategy any simpler for any player other than Ed, as everyone else has only one dog in the hunt and one also-ran (or two also-rans). Those players now have to focus most of their attention on the dog in the hunt team.
There are just too many combinations and philosphies in this contest to think that just because you can enter two teams, you are going to some how cover all the bases and are guaranteed of having a team in the hunt.
I really hate it when you guys get me worked up like this!!
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 10:27
One hypothetical queston for you.
Scenario one. Ed and I both enter one team and we use different stategies.
Scenario two. I enter two teams and use different strategies for each team.
Which scenario has the greatest chance of winning?
Me thinks it's the same. I don't see the difference. Actually, since Ed is in the equation, scenario one is obviously better.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:10
Another point, while I'm still spun up. You play the lottery and play two tickets using two strategies. The odds of winning are 1 in 50 million. By playing a 2nd ticket are your odds of winning 2 in 50 million or have you halved the odds and made it only 1 in 25 million? Obviously the answer is 2 in 50 million. In other words you have covered 2 of the 50 million possibilities. That's a mere drop in the ocean.
Although the playoff challenge does not have 50 million options, you will not come close to covering all possibilities with 2 teams.
However, if there are only 20 entries, one would have a 2 in 20 chance of winning -- not one in ten. No more, no less. Everyone will have different ideas/strategies, so one entry has an equal shot of winning as another -- whether it came from the same brain or not.
Now it is true that for someone with the expertise and acumen of Ed to have two shots can easily seem like cheating to someone like Mike. With that I can understand.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:11
In post 79, I should have said that in scenario one, Ed and I are partners.
Am I arguing with myself at this point? It wouldn't be the first time.
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:29
Changing the subject. Six teams (including the 2nd and both 3rd place teams) have used two of the four surviving QBs. They must now choose wisely and hope they have a QB in the SB. If Indy and NO win, four teams are guaranteed of not having a QB. Not having a QB in the SB will certainly not increase one's chances of winning.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:06
LOL...He He....I'll agree with you Shak, didn't mean to open old wounds.
Strategy is very hard in this format. You still have to select the guys who score, I think people are talking about an advantage when you can pick someone like Benson on one team and Jones on your other team and hope one of them goes off. I'm soley in the lead because I played LT and Mcallister who were the big scorer's last week and no one else had that Combo. My other team is decently placed because i played LT and Westbrook. It's all about playing a player at the right time and keeping some decent players in reserve and I think I've achieved that with my leading team...Strategy is a fickle thing, it might work this year and next year it doesn't...you can never tell it's all about making your best decision based on your facts and feelings and hoping that's the right choice...stating the obvious again I know, but it's true.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:14
Shak wrote--"Now it is true that for someone with the expertise and acumen of Ed to have two shots can easily seem like cheating to someone like Mike. With that I can understand"
You know you just jinxed me and Mike will probably win now with that statement.
Be advised that I will be in Baltimore for the next two weeks and will not be able to check my work email. All emails to me need to go to my yahoo account.
I have received lineups from Ed and Jon. The two dead horse diggers have my lineup.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sat, Jan 20, 2007, 04:22
Go down and get you some all-you-can eat Crabs legs in Downdown Baltimore..beautiful stuff..ESPN zone is right around the corner..
Dead Horse Digger? Somethings are best kept alive so the younger generation and learn by your mistakes..Jon said he learn a valuable lesson from it " 2 Teams are always better then 1"...Just kidding, I will now put those dead Horses out of ther misery.
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 05:40
I will be posting later tonight. Not to fear, I will be here, except for Ed, he better fear me. J/K
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Joe
ID: 520322111 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 12:48
QB Brady
RB Jones RB Dillon
WR Gaffney WR Muhammad
TE Dallas Clark
K Vinatieri
D Bears
Heres my pick..sorry guys alot of drama going on here which is leading me to finally leave Kosovo..long story, so anyway, I have not had much time to do any FFB lately...almost forgot about this here today. Kinda distracted as you can see by my previous picks..like chosing Benson over Jones last week......total, um, I cant even think of a word to describe it. Go ahead Ednecks, rip me for making excuses..but its true, the situation is FUBAR here and for the first time in a decade something else in my life has actually came before football...strange. Anyway, talk to you guys later. And good luck to all...except the neck of course!
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 15:02
Buddy 1:
Grossman McAllister T. Jones B. Berrian R. Caldwell Da. Clark Carney Indy
Buddy 2: Grossman Addai McAllister Berrian Wayne Da. Clark Gould Bears
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 18:52
Ed or Mike, Can you send me the last spread sheet I sent you with my picks. I don't have it on my laptop.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 20:15
Shak, Sent...hopefully
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Shak
ID: 5011451123 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 20:35
Got it, thanks.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 22:21
Sweet...I didn't want to see another Brady SB. Great game by Manning.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 22:34
I agree, Ed. I never got this weeks sheet, but I know I am probably too far out of it to make a difference. Here is my superbowl line-up, though, just so I don't forget to send it:
QB P. Manning RB T. Jones RB C. Benson WR R. Wayne WR B. Berrian TE Dallas Clark K A. Vinatieri DEF/ST Bears
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 22:44
Probably TB, I think I scored 131 with my leading team this week Edneck #2, should be near the top again, Getting a little lucky, my SB team won't be that Special, but I will have Manning, Addai, only negative is no Kicker....
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Shak
ID: 270482121 Sun, Jan 21, 2007, 23:08
Just finished the spreadsheet. SC1 and Harmon 2 had picked a player they already used. Since I didn't catch it early enuf, they didn't get any points for that position.
I know Jon sent me his picks. I thought I had already updated the spreadsheet, but I didn't and I can't find the email. Jon, just update the spreadsheet with your picks and resend.
Everyone, look it over.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 11:08
Shak I sent you my lineups. All quiet on the western front I see. Don't give up now, you might get a 99 yard TD in the last momments of the game and beat me...The fat lady is warming up before gametime.
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JHHH
ID: 68342216 Fri, Feb 02, 2007, 10:03
I've landed in Madrid! Ednecks, how did your surgery go? We've been thinking about you. I've gotten reconnected for the moment. $220 for a month of internet service at this hotel!!!! I figured I'd take it out of Ed's winnings....
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Fri, Feb 02, 2007, 11:24
Thanks Jon, to make a long story short the surgery had a few hiccups and didn't go as planned a few Shock marks on the chest to prove it, but I'm doing pretty good after staying the weekend, hopefully no complications with the new and improved implantable Defib and Bobs your Uncle...I'll still be around to take these boys money for a little while longer..$220..damn? Say hello to the girls and Harrison.
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Shak
ID: 1911172611 Fri, Feb 02, 2007, 22:27
Shak 1 Grossman Benson R Davis Berrian Muhammad Des Clark Colts Gould
Shak 2 Grossman Benson Rhodes Berrian Muhammad Dal Clark Colts Vinatieri
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sat, Feb 03, 2007, 18:10
SC1
QB B.Maynard RB D. Rhodes RB T. Jones RB C. Benson WR M. Muhammed TE D. Clark (Indy) K Nothing D Indy
SC2
QB R. Grossman RB D. Rhodes RB T. Jones WR M. Muhammed WR B. Fletcher TE D. Clark (Chicago) K Gould D Indy
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Joe
ID: 481054199 Sat, Feb 03, 2007, 20:25
Ednecks, good to hear you are doing ok. Would not be the same without you putting me in my place from time to time, or try to anyway. I have to get some sleep now so talk to you all later. Under 370 hours left in Kosovo...
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 05:01
Joe it will probably be nice to get back to the mother country anyhow...good luck Bud. MAn did I shut this playoff hunt down or what. Most of these guys havn't been this quiet since Mom had them stand in the corner with their nose touching the wall for 2 hours..memories!!
I think Harmon1 is the only one able to spoil the Edneck parade..maybe Edneck2 (which means my second best effort is better then all you want-to-bees.) may get close enough. Sorry I didn't mean to lessen your playoff pleasure..He He!!
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 12:18
SC1
QB B. Griese RB D. Rhodes RB T. Jones RB C. Benson WR M. Muhammed TE D. Clark (Indy) K Nothing D Indy
SC2
QB R. Grossman RB D. Rhodes RB T. Jones WR M. Muhammed WR B. Fletcher TE D. Clark (Chicago) K Gould D Indy
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 12:25
For Prowler:
Prowler 1
QB B. Griese RB T. Jones RB C. Benson WR A. Moorehead WR B. Berrian TE D. Clark (Indy) K Nothing D Indy
Prowler 2
QB B. Griese RB D. Rhodes WR M. Muhammed WR A. Moorehead WR M. Bradley TE B. Utecht K Gould D Bears
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Joe
ID: 481054199 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 13:19
What a dream team
QB Grossman
RB D. Rhodes
WR Berrian WR B. Fletcher WR Moorehead please TE Clark (Chicago) K Gould
D Colts
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JHHH
ID: 68342216 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 15:04
Hey...I'm not the only one having to use Griese!!! Cool!
JHHH-1 Griese Addai Benson Wayne Berrian Dal Clark Chicago Gould
JHHH-2 Grossman Addai Benson Rhodes Berrian Dal Clark Chicago Vinatieri
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 15:32
Just in case Shak didn't get my Lineups:
Edneck1--Grossman, Jones, Addai, Berrian, Mush, Des Clark, Bears, Gould
Edneck2--Manning, Addai, Benson, Rhodes, Mush, Des Clark, no Kicker, Colts
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TrashHaulers
ID: 460511418 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 17:27
Buddy 1
Manning Rhodes Benson Wayne R. Davis Des Clark Bears Vinateri
Buddy 2
Griese T. Jones Benson Muhammed R. Davis Des Clark Vinateri Indy (SUCKS!)
GO BEARS!!!!! THIS CHI-TOWN KID IS HAVING A BLAST!!! DA BEARS!!!
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Shak
ID: 1911172611 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 21:28
FYI Received this earlier today before the game from Harmon.
Harmon 1
Manning Rhodes Addai
Muhammad Harrison
D Clark (CHI)
Vinatieri
Harmon2
Manning Rhodes Jones
Berrian Muhammad
D. Clark (Chi) Colts Gould
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Joe
ID: 481054199 Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 22:49
Well according to MY stats it looks like I won again guys...good luck to everyone next year. Now that I got that out of the way, why does ESPN keeping showing the Reggie Wayne clip in which he caught the ball out of bounds as a highlight. I mean yeah, it looked nice, but it was not a catch and had no impact on the game at all. Just another example of the NFL/ESPN trying to sell their product with BS I guess... Goodnight Ednecks
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Superclydes
ID: 292713 Mon, Feb 05, 2007, 04:01
Congratulations Joe, you have done it again. We all need to get a copy of the scoring rules for YOUR figures:o)
Well, it always goes down this way. For years, I had always waited to play my Indy players because I felt they were going to take it all. This year, I didn't use that strategy and ended up with Griese and Fletcher in my lineups for the superbowl. Just par for the course I guess.
On to baseball!!
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Joe
ID: 481054199 Mon, Feb 05, 2007, 06:29
The rules are kinda complicated, so just take my word for it like everyone else, why do you always have to be rocking the boat!
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Feb 05, 2007, 09:15
Wishful thinking Joe, I'm pretty sure Biged won fairly easy. It was fun and I'll let you know how to pay shortly...Of course me and Joe are even..
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Shak
ID: 156371210 Mon, Feb 05, 2007, 09:49
Sorry, Joe, I have Ed winning in a walkover.
Ed, let everyone how to compensate you.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Mon, Feb 05, 2007, 14:59
Paypal, send to leonhart@btopenworld.com in a week or so, thye have my account messed up and they are dragging their feet to fix it for some reason or send a check to:
Charles Leonhart PSC 41 Box 1974 APO AE 09464
Thanks everyone it was fun...see you next year..
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Tue, Feb 13, 2007, 06:15
It says your account still can't receive money. Just wanted to post that I hadn't forgotten about paying, but would like to pay with paypal seeing how I have some money just sitting in my account. With my recent hassle with paypal, I know what a pain it can be.
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Ednecks
ID: 4110311923 Tue, Feb 13, 2007, 09:50
No worries on anyone that wants to wait for Paypal, they suck on making any decisions, wish there was a better site then Paypal to use and I'd do it...My wife uses it for her Ebay crap and is usually arguing with someone who didn't recieve her package or something supid like that..Paypal stops your account until they resolve the dispute and there is always someone out there trying to screw with you in some way or another....I'm not in any hurry for the money.