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0 Subject: RIFC AAA #2 Pre-Draft Discussion

Posted by: Kyle - Donor [052753312] Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 14:04

Still waiting for wiggs, boikin and Fugazi to sign up for the league and Kafenatid. I am going to send them e-mail reminders. Also waiting for 2 sets of numbers for the draft order of the selection of draft order.

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1Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:09
I just sent a set of numbers to you.
2Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 23:25
Thanks Frick, I now have 2 sets of numbers.


First Alphabetized:

1 boikin
2 building 7
3 electroman
4 frick
5 fugazi
6 kyle
7 mjd
8 pancho villa
9 promize
10 TD
11 Tree
12 twilson
13 valkyrie
14 wiggs

twilson's numbers

4 frick 1
6 kyle 2
14 wiggs 3
5 fugazi 4
10 TD 5
8 pancho villa 6
3 electroman 7
13 valkyrie 8
9 promize 9
2 building 7 10
7 mjd 11
11 Tree 12
12 twilson 13
1 boikin 14

Frick's numbers
3 electroman 7 1
9 promize 9 2
14 wiggs 3 3
7 mjd 11 4
5 fugazi 4 5
11 Tree 12 6
4 frick 1 7
13 valkyrie 8 8
12 twilson 13 9
2 building 7 10 10
10 TD 5 11
6 kyle 2 12
1 boikin 14 13
8 pancho villa 6 14

Final number:
1 electroman
2 promize
3 wiggs
4 mjd
5 fugazi
6 Tree
7 frick
8 valkyrie
9 twilson
10 building 7
11 TD
12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa

Electroman you are "on the clock". I would like to start the clock for the draft on the 14th. That's 8 days to set the draft order. So technically we'll have a 12 hour clock. If the guy in front of you doesn't pick in 12 hours (depending on if they say they will be out of town) you can go ahead and pick. You should be able to check once a day right? Sounds good. Still waiting for the 3 to sign up for the league and 2 to sign up for kafenatid. Not going to lie, I really enjoy this commishing stuff. I will be working at a festival the next week so I won't have during the day access. I will try to check and make sure everything is running smoothly and to make my pick.

Also: Hall of Fame game was tonight. Can sense the season starting? I love it!
3Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 23:31
Wow, think this is the first time i've had a high pick in the RIFC leagues... Actually will have a good RB for a change.
4 mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 00:51
I'll be gone until Monday at about 2PM.
5boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 14:43
oh man i get draft at the end i would rather be at the beggining oh well ill have use the pincher attach.

I just want to make sure i undersday we are getting 12 hrs for pics starting the 12th. assuming we get the league full? Do i need to log in/sign up anywhere else besides kafnid?
6Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 15:16
I will pick first :)
7Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 16:07
boikin, we are getting 12 hours to make our selection on which slot we want in the draft. Once the draft starts I'll make a guess that the clock will be more like 4 hours. I would have serious doubts that we could get done.
8Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 16:19
Yah, Frick you are correct. We have 14 people. We are not picking for which draft position we have. The day after that finishes I will set up Kafenatid to start. I think Guru usually has a 6 hour clock. I'll have to look at his rules.

boikin
You still need to sign up for the AOL league. I'll resend the invite.

If anyone is able to can they double check the rules against Guru's. Thanks!
9Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 18:43
I'll take pick #2
10Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 18:48
This will make it easier to choose a spot, just cut and paste.(and add your name)

1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
11Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 19:07
Per Guru "We may start making these selections immediately. There is no "clock" for this round, but please try to keep it moving."
these selections refers to draft slots.
12wiggs
      ID: 2542623
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 19:10
i will take 7
13mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 22:09
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.wiggs
8.
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14
14Tree
      ID: 4771875
      Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 06:41
Holt - Fugazi is your brother, right? can you let him know he's up to choose his spot in the draft? i don't think he's posted in either of these threads for 10 days, so he may not be even aware.

Kyle - does that 12 hour span include overnight hours? if so, i'll choose my slot later this morning.
15Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 10:09
It's moving decently so I don't think we are going to have to worry about it, as long as people check in 2ce a day.
16Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 17:23
and if they don't check in twice a day, since that's obviously not happening? ;o)
17holt
      ID: 41512278
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 06:44
he was out of town, in wichita for something. doubt that he knew this thread was over here. I'll give him a call when the hour is decent. 5:40 a.m. right now.
18Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 10:18
Thanks holt!
19Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:56
Now that we are nearing the 48 hour mark, at what point to we skip his pick?
20Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:16
if there is no pick by 5:30 pm today, i'm going to pick before i leave the office...
21fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 16:04
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.
6.
7.wiggs
8.
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14
22Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 16:22
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14
23Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:24
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14
24Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:34
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

Due Up:
8 valkyrie
9 twilson
10 building 7
11 TD
12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa
25Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 20:46
If it's OK, I think I'll check just once a day.
26Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 22:06
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.valkyrie
9.mjd
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.

Due Up:

9 twilson
10 building 7
11 TD
12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa
27Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 22:06
sorry I thought I posted that pick an hour ago-guess I did something wrong ?
28Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 09:57
PV That's fine since you really don't get to pick your spot. You'll get an e-mail when the actual draft starts.

I will be in NYC from the 10th to the 15th and in Indy from the 17th to the 19th. It should be fine to run the draft untimed until the 19th and then on Monday the 20th at 8:00 AM EST start the clock up. I'll have access in NYC but will be without in Indy. I am sure the draft will have started untimed by then and I'll have a q set up. Be that as it may I'll leave whoever is drafting around me my cell# and ask for a text update if they would be willing.
I sent twilson a friendly e-mail letting him know that he is up to pick.
29Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 14:20
I'm in the same situation as Kyle on the 17th to 19th. I may or may not have access as I'll also be in Indianapolis for a wedding. I'm hoping that the hotel has a business center/web access, or I might be able to sneak off and visit some friends and see if I can login from one of their houses.
30Kyle @ library
      ID: 29741915
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 16:45
Frick you are in a better situation than me. I'll be at a campground with my friends for the Dave Matthews Concert. I am 100% positive that the White River Campground in Noblesville won't have WiFi.
31Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 16:50
I disagree on the better situation, I would rather go to the Dave concert than a wedding.

Have fun, I hope the weather has improved by then. Right now it is miserable outside.

32Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 22:38
This is one long pre-draft, just to get ready for our regular draft.
33Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 22:50
I sent twilson an e-mail. Hopefully he'll check in soon...
34Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 23:04
It does appear that many of the non regulars are difficult to reach and seemingly unaware of their obligations to the league- I really hope this does not carryover to the draft- Rotoguru drafts have historically progressed very well.
35twilson
      ID: 192132814
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 00:54
Hey everyone, sorry for the delay. I've been checking in regularly, but I had a ridiculously busy day at work today.

Anyway, I choose slot 11.
36wiggs
      ID: 41152287
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 08:03
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.valkyrie
9.mjd
10.
11.twilson
12.
13.
14.

Due Up:

10 building 7
11 TD
12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa
37Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 09:00
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.Building 7
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.valkyrie
9.mjd
10.
11.twilson
12.
13.
14.

Due Up:

11 TD
12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa
38TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 11:19
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.Building 7
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.valkyrie
9.mjd
10.
11.twilson
12. TD
13.
14.

Due Up:

12 kyle
13 boikin
14 pancho villa
39Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 11:22
1.Electroman
2.Promize
3.fugazi
4.Building 7
5.Frick
6.Tree
7.wiggs
8.valkyrie
9.mjd
10. Kyle
11.twilson
12. TD
13.
14.

Due Up:

13 boikin
14 pancho villa
40Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 11:25
Ok, if twilson gets his pick in today I will set the draft order and start the draft untimed. If you don't want to make your pick and you would like to wait you can do so. I am only starting the untimed draft today because I will be in Nowheresville, Southern Indiana tonight and the Indy Airport--->NYC Airport tomorrow. Thanks! I'll send out an e-mail when I get the draft order set.
41 Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 12:11
I'd be willing to trade the 4th overall pick down for a later first round pick and something better in the later rounds, if anyone is interested.
42Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 12:34
boikin. oops...
43TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 12:39
I do not plan to make any picks until at least Tuesday 8/14. All NFL teams will have played one preseason game by then.

In post 28 Kile mentioned that the he would start the clock on Monday 8/20 at 8:00 AM EST. Are we expected to make picks before the 20th?

I prefer starting the draft as late as we can. But still have enough time to complete the draft and set up the league before the season starts. What date are we expected to start making draft picks?

44Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 12:50
Building 7, trade offered to you from this guy!
45wiggs
      ID: 41152287
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 13:19
i think we can usually get about a round a day, not counting weekends. Things will go much quicker if people leave queues, and do them properly. I think we absolutely need to start the draft before the 20th in order to get it in without people getting nervous about not finishing.
46Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 13:25
Last year AAA #2 started on the 15th. Real games started on the 7th.

This year the real games start on the 6th. I figured we'd start the clock on the 14th, but if I started the untimed draft today and we got through 1-2 rounds before the 14th we wouldn't have to start the clock until 20th. That was my thinking. We could put it to a vote if you really want.
47wiggs
      ID: 41152287
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 13:44
no need for a vote, but td said he didnt plan on picking til the 14th atleast. That is 5 days from now. I have done these leagues since they started and I know around August 31st we will be in about the 14th round give or take and people are going to be getting angry at people who use alot of clock. The way around that is start earlier.
48TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 13:44
No need for a vote. I just prefer waiting until after this weekends games to start the draft. I would hate to see someone make a 1st round pick and then have that player injured and out for the season in the first preseason game. I know that injuries can happen anytime, but why start the draft early if we don't have to?

That said, if the consensus is to start the draft now, I will make my pick in a timely manner.
49boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 15:14
ill take 14.
50Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 16:02
Ok Draft Order is set. It is:
1 Electroman
2 Promize
3 Fugazi
4 Building 7
5 Frick
6 Tree
7 wiggs
8 Valkyrie
9 mjd
10 Kyle
11 twilson
12 TD
13 Pancho Villa
14 boikin

We are waiting on Fugazi to join Kafenatid and then I will be able to put in the draft order.
I'll delay starting the draft until Sunday, the 12th. Sunday at 7am EST (or there abouts) the draft will start untimed and will continue to be untimed until Tuesday the 14th when the 6 hour clock will start at 7am EST. Moratorium periods will be between 11pm and 7am EST on weekdays and the clock will also pause from 11pm EST Friday to 7 PM EST Monday. This is how the big league does it and we shall follow suit. Happy Drafting all!!
52Kyle @ the parents
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 18:24
OK Plans might have changed. If I do not have an internet connection in NYC then the draft, as well as the clock, will start on Thursday morning at 7am EST. Sorry if this throws a wrench into anyones plans.
53fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 17:43
I have already joined kafenatid.
54Building 7
      ID: 13647289
      Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 11:06
Kyle: email sent re: possible trade.

What do we have to do to qualify for the RIFC, other than winning the playofs.
55Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Tue, Aug 14, 2007, 16:21
Top 2, I believe.
56wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 09:10
i see the draft has officially begun. If anyone wants to leave a queue i will be around all day today. Also i will be looking to leave a queue when i am away if anyone can take it. Lets get this thing going at a steady pace.
57Building 7
      ID: 13647289
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 09:43
So the top 2 regular season teams in win/loss? What if they also win the playoffs?

Have not heard from Kyle re: possible trade.
58TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:07
I am looking for someone to serve as my Designated Picker this Saturday. I will be leaving at 9am EST, and will return sometime late Saturday night.
59wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:29
TD you can set it up for me, i will be in and out, but i should be able to check often
60Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 11:51
Why no clock?
61wiggs
      ID: 204201611
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 12:05
i think we have 0 chance of finishing this thing on time if we dont get moving.
62TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 12:27
I think we should start the clock now. Kyle mentioned in post 52 that the draft as well as the clock would start on Thursday morning at 7am. The players with the top draft picks should have been ready to pick this morning.
63Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 12:28
wiggs, I'm going to set you as my DP also if that is ok with you. I'm going to be without internet from Friday around noon until Saturday afternoon. I'll set up a queue long enough for 2 rounds. Anyone else want to be added to my DP list for this weekend?


FYI, if anyone is new to Kafenatid you need add other managers to your DP list and turn on the ability for them to pick for you. You can turn the ability on and off depending on your availability.
64wiggs
      ID: 204201611
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 12:31
frick, no problem. I will probably name you as a dp as well when i am away if your dont mind.

This is unreal, the 6 hour clock should expire in 30 minutes and it wasnt even started yet. We need to get motivated people
65wiggs
      ID: 204201611
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 12:32
The RIFC is already on pick 1.07 and we should really be ahead of them.
66mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 13:03
I'll be around all weekend except between 3 and 7 PM on Sat.

Ready to roll, now.
67Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 13:22
I will be available as a DP most of the time, but I am having serious computer issues at the moment.
68Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 13:25
It might be a good idea for all managers to post a phone #.
Mine is (801) 608-0275
69wiggs
      ID: 204201611
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 13:28
they are now on 1.11. maybe we need to do something, his pick should have expired 30 minutes ago.
71Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 14:56
Have the other qualifying leagues started yet?

We set a start date as of Tuesday the 12th. I suggest that we start the clock, and when the 6 hours is up we proceed. If he has not picked when his 2nd round pick is timed out we pick the top 3 players on the board (there is a precedent of that in the RIFC from a couple of years ago.)

Just my $.02, but I'll quietly sit in the corner until the commish chimes in.
73TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 15:19
I hope and expect Electroman to make his pick sometime today. He posted on Tuesday, so he is checking this message board. He probably just forgot that the draft was starting today.

I suggest starting the 6 hour clock at 5pm EST. That would give him until tommorow morning to make his pick. I think it is reasonable to expect him to check in at least once a day prior to the draft starting.

I also think we should keep the clock running on weekends.
74Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 15:25
He probably just forgot that the draft was starting today.

Hence the need for phone #s.
75Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 15:44
I must admit starting with choice selection this league has definitely been disappointing in its attention to responsibilities and its lack of diligence- this does not bode well for a long e-mail draft.

76Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 16:02
Sorry about the delay. I start work at 6:30am in the morning, with no access at work, at all. With the draft not started, I could not put anyone a DP.
77Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 16:32
Sorry guys. I am back from vaca and I wasn't able to make it to a internet cafe in NYC, I was extremely busy the whole time and it was amazing. I'll start the clock up tomorrow and hopefully we'll be able to get through a round today.

Building 7 and I are working out a trade right now, and if anyone else works out a deal for draft picks post them here. Then I can actually put it into Kafenatid.

Also Kafenatid allows at least me to see whether or not you have a Q set up. It won't allow me to see the Q, but I can see if you have it set up. Please try to set one up even if you don't think you'll be gone for a long time
78Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 19:02
I agree about having the clock start up, but if we start the clock the first day the draft started I don't find that fair. I will start the clock tomorrow. You will have had 24 hours to check the draft by then.
I'll set it up so that the clock starts tomorrow morning at 7am EST. It will be a 6 hour draft.
79wiggs
      ID: 2542623
      Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 23:12
tomorrow I will be around through out the day if anyone needs to leave a queue, but after school i will be heading out of town. what is the deal with the clock on weekends?
80Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 00:28
i was going to pause it this weekend and let it run on the other weekends unless someone was gone. Frick and I will be gone this weekend so I'll pause it for this one.
81Building 7
      ID: 13647289
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 00:48
Kyle: email sent re: trade. Let me know, my pick is up now.
82wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 07:52
well i know i will be away next saturday. I am going to the Mets/Dodgers game. Chances are it wont matter because if it is close to me I will leave a queue, and if it isnt it wont get to me, but if you are going to pause it 1 weekend i think you need to do it every weekend.
83Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 08:48
I agree with Wiggs. We shouldn't get special treatment this weekend. We either are going to stop the clock on weekends or not. I don't really like the idea of leaving a queue that long potentially, but I will if I have to.
84wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 09:18
frick are you around today? just so I know if I need to be ready if we ever get this thing going.
85Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 10:01
Trade finalized

Kyle gives:
Pick 1.10 and 3.10

for

Building 7 gives:
Pick 1.04 and 5.04
86Building 7
      ID: 13647289
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 10:39
Confirmed.

I'm getting on a plane. I left a queue for my next pick.
87wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 11:34
some reason the clock is set at 8 hours, not 6. We really need to get our acts together here if we plan on doing anything with this draft.
88Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 11:56
I'm heading out for the weekend, I left a 30 person queue, which should get me through the next 2 rounds. I would prefer that the clock stop for the weekend as I'm not all that comfortable with leaving this long of a queue this early in the draft, but I'm willing to do it. I'm not going to leave a longer queue, if it I get skipped the first time, I kindly ask that you pick for me for on subsequent picks. I don't think it is likely that we get to my 4th round pick by Sunday evening, but I have seen stranger things happen.
89mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 12:04
I'm out from about 12:30-2. I set up a 2 player Q and will make it available when I leave. I made all you jokers my DP.
90Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 12:59
come Wiggs, have faith. i figure by the first games of the season, we'll be nearly halfway done!
91wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 13:11
lol
92wiggs
      ID: 55013307
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 13:13
we have to get 24 rounds done in about 20 days. We have so far had 7 picks in 3 days and 3 of them were within 20 minutes. Also we have to get through 3 weekends where we all know from experience you will get very little done.
93twilson
      ID: 476462616
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 13:56
I just chose for Building 7/bjclinton as per post 82 and then made my pick. TD is now up.
94mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 15:32
I was targeting Henry at 1.09, but couldn't pass on Fast Willie. I just never expected Parker to fall to me.
95TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 17:04
Heading out for a little while. Set up a two player queue with everyone as my DP.
96mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 19:07
Pickers 2.07 and beyond, I'm around tonight and waiting to make my pick at 2.06.
97Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:00
no wonder we're at 8 hours a pick. it's so our AWOL commish can take his own sweat time! ;o)
98mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:04
Never mind #96. Looks like our commish bailed early on us. He said he would be away for the weekend, but it looks like he got a jump on the traffic. Too bad he didn't say anything about Friday afternoon/evening or leave a short queue. We might have gotten another round in. 53 minutes and he would have timed out if we had the 6 hour clock he said we were having. Instead, it's an 8 hour clock and he gets 2 extra hours to hold us up on Monday. Very rude and disrespectful to the league. Thanks for the heads up.

Had I known he was leaving Friday afternoon, I would have stopped checking hours ago. That's what annoys me.

Guess we're done and will have to bust it next week. That sucks.

See ya Monday.
99Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:18
So as I understand it this draft is done until sometime Monday so i can stop checking it? By the way I am PDT so I will hold things up until noon/1 Pm EDT Monday and after sitting idle for 3 days I am not going to be in any mood to queue my #2 pick.
I think I might know why AAA #1 filled so quickly LOL.I really don't quite understand this- every other RGIL draft I have ever been in has had very dedicated managers who act responsibly and move the draft along quite briskly. This one couldn't even set the order in a timely manner and halts for 3 days after 18 picks ????
100mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:31
And dedicated commissioners. If you don't have internet access, you can't draft in this league, let alone run it. I had to take over as commish in AA, last year, because the original guy had sketchy internet access. This guy is just a rude, inconsiderate jerk.

This is inexcusable in my eyes. I have half a mind to call for a mutiny.
101fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:34
Arrrgh! We better not be done till Monday.
103BoNkA
      Donor
      ID: 019742310
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:46
I'm sorry to see this happening. I would really suggest taking some sort of vote to see if the rest of the league is ok with continuing the draft via the forums and just timing out the other guy's picks.

I agree that it is extremely inconsiderate to completely halt a draft because you're going away for a weekend. You shouldn't sign up for these things if you know you can't be committed. Hopefully you guys can finish in time :/
104Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 22:54
i am 100 percent behind post 103 from Bonka.

i am going to be extremely busy from Wednesday through Sunday next week, with guests in my apartment, a Mets game, and two pro wrestling events.

thusly, i'd like to see the clock suspended during that time frame.

that isn't a fair request from me, and i'm shocked that is EXACTLY what is going to happen this weekend.

of course, we have a problem with Frick being gone, because if he left his queue on the kafenatid site, there is no way to access it.

but if we can, i say we draft on these boards, post the picks already taken, and move on with the draft. no way in hell do i want to sit and not have any picks go by for 3 days...
105wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 67291716
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:05
I wonder if KKB can access his queue?

Tree what mets games are you going to? I am going to the mets/dodgers game on sat.
106Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:10
Talk about irony. My home computer has been misbehaving so badly that I feared I could not effectively draft with it. So I went out and bought a new laptop this afternoon so as not to be a hindrance in the draft.

I slay myself(and my bank account).
107holt @fugazi's house
      ID: 3611111522
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:14
wow. sucks to be you guys. anyone have kyle's ph # by chance? bummer.
108Tree
      ID: 34101915
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:15
PV - now THAT is dedication.

Wiggs - i'm going thursday.

man....if you're in NYC on saturday night, you should seriously try to make it to the Ring of Honor show that night. it's going to be a freakin' amazing show, and like Blue Hen and Great One before you, you'll become a fan.

tickets might be hard to come by, but if you do have interest in going, shoot me an email, and i can probably take care of you for at least standing room tickets.
109wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 67291716
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:18
Tree appriciate the offer, but i cant do that, I am taking my dad to the game as his bday present and we are going with a bus trip. I would absolutely love to make it to a show sometime, I am sure I would get sucked in quickly. Thanks again
110Tree
      ID: 34101915
      Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 23:20
no sweat. there are a lot of nyc shows slated on the schedule, and i've hard we're looking to run a few shows somewhere upstate next year (and i feel like that's where you are)...
111Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 00:31
Is there a way that we can see if Kyle left a Q? I really doubt that he did this on purpose. He seems to be all over the place these days, and maybe he just honestly forgot to make his Q available. If there are players in the Q, could it be made available for us to pick for him. Also, he mentioned in a post that he was going to leave his phone # to people around him in the draft. Did he?
112mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 00:56
Electro, he said he was not running a clock this weekend and was leaving. No mention of a queue or even the fact that he was actually leaving Friday afternoon. I appreciate you wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt, but looking back, I feel that this entire event was premeditated. Why else SAY you're going to run a 6 hour clock, then run an 8 hour clock.

This is a very serious situation that threatens the life of this league. I know that Guru is just returning from vacation, but I'd like to hear an opinion from him on this matter.

I think Kyle may have blown this and cannot be an effective commissioner for this league. People (including me) are very unhappy about how this league has been run. Kyle's going to come back on Monday and have to flog us to finish on time. Mainly because he's dragged his feet. And that's not going to sit well with this league.
113Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 01:08
As I understand it, the RIFC minor leagues are to mirror the RIFC in every way possible.

This would include the rules not only for the regular season, but drafting procedure as well.

From Guru's opening post in the RIFC 2007: draft discussion

The clock will start on Thursday morning, but I will activate the draft on Wednesday. The clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 11pm-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will continue to run on weekends.

One of the main responsibilities of the minor league commissioners is to follow the template of the main RIFC league, as well as set up the AOL league and enter the players. Any deviation of RIFC procedure compromises the integrity of the league, making it just another fantasy football league.
Even then, making clock decisions without a consensus, and failing to leave a que, essentially stopping the draft for three days, is unacceptable in any league.

IMO, Kyle timed out after six hours and the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can.


114mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 01:30
I totally agree, but Frick, who is also away this weekend HAS left a long queue on Kafenatid, which we don't have access to. Doesn't seem fair to penalize him. So we really don't have much we can do without a ruling or help from Guru. If it was that easy, I'd volunteer to take over as commish, so that we may precede.
115mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 01:31
proceed
116fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 02:47
Why don't we just go to a 4 hour clock on Monday.
117mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 04:00
We'll have to. He'll have to continue to shorten the clock and flog us to get done on time. To accommodate his busy schedule. And there's no excuse for continuing to drag your feet getting started and then going MIA for 3 days with no word and no queue. Especially with the queue system in Kafenatid. How many people have run their entire draft using a queue? Not many, but it has been done in dire circumstances. A 9 man queue would have gotten him past the second round. I guess it was just easier to manipulate the entire draft to accommodate himself.

OK, I'm going to summarize this event to either create a public record or whatever. Please correct me if I'm wrong or add your 2 cents.

Our commish has made many promises:
-To start our draft clock on Tuesday the 14th (post #2 on this thread). He was out of town on the 14th, so he revised the plan to start the draft and the clock on Thursday, the 16th (Post 52).
-Did open the draft on the 16th, as promised, but refused to start the clock (post 78).
-Said that the clock would be 6 hours (51 and 78), but instead set it for 8 hours on Friday, the 17th.
-Stated that since 2 people (him and Frick), would be out of touch this weekend, he would not run the clock (80). Frick set up a 30 player queue on Kafenatid to get through rounds 2 and 3. The commish said something about setting up a queue and giving his cell # to some people (28), but so far, there's no sign of either of those things happening. I suppose that he could have set a queue, but failed to make it available. There's been no communication anywhere telling us that he actually really set one up.

The draft finally got going in earnest on Friday. He made his 1.10 pick sometime after 1:02PM, after I made pick 1.09. I don't remember exactly when he picked, but we turned the corner at 4:44 PM and his 2.05 pick came up at 5:53 PM.

He's been MIA since making his 1.10 pick. By starting the clock at 8 hours instead of 6, he may have bolted as early as right after he made his 1.10 pick, knowing he'd be long gone and in no danger of timing out by the time it came back to him. That's why I think this thing was totally premeditated.

I'll go as far as to say he volunteered to commish this league knowing that the only way he'd be able to participate would be to manipulate the draft around his busy schedule.

Yes, these are serious charges, but I think this guy is on some kind of power trip. Look at post 2. Not going to lie, I really enjoy this commishing stuff.

At 7:07PM, I alerted those drafting above me that I was around and would be picking right after pick 2.05 was made (96). We're still waiting. After that, we began to realize that something wasn't right.

Did I miss anything?

118Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 07:10
Well, it is pretty annoying yes... And I must say, if Monday comes around and we must change the draft time to make it much shorter between picks, that does upset me a bit. I work for a company that has a high security setup, which means internet setup is little to none... Basically CNN and weather.com is about all we can view.

Just going to make it tough for me to be around any for my picks if the clock drops to 4 hours.

With that being said, I know i've been in several leagues with Kyle and don't believe there has ever been any problems..

It is whatever Guru decides...

LOL I'll probably be golfing today and tommorow, but I will keep an eye on our progress up until I go.
119Tree
      ID: 34101915
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 08:13
i'm with promize. come wednesday, the difference between a 4 hour, and 6 hour clock, to me, could be significant, and i dont like myself or my league mates suffering because of the selfish actions of one manager.

i agree with the post above about mirroring the RIFC in everyway, including the draft. a 3 day freeze on the draft right now is absurd, and it's reason for mutiny.

the big if, again, is if we can access frick's queue, and we'll need fred to let us know if this is doable...
120holt
      ID: 41512278
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 09:30
isn't there another rifc league that is in the 1st rd right now? I can understand why you guys are flustered but i don't know if it's worth screwing up the drafts of a team or two. don't let it ruin your league. the season starts on sept. 6. that gives you like 14 draft days. so you gotta do between 1.5 to 2 rds a day. once you get through the 1st few rds it gets a lot easier to use queues.
121Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 09:33
Yeah, RIFC #1 has only the first two picks made.

122wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 53729189
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 10:32
no sweat. there are a lot of nyc shows slated on the schedule, and i've hard we're looking to run a few shows somewhere upstate next year (and i feel like that's where you are)...

I am in binghamton NY
123wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 53729189
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 10:39
Why don't we just go to a 4 hour clock on Monday.

The problem with this is I know I will be away tuesday and wednesday for work. I will have shotty access here and there at the hotel, I hope, but i am going to be pissed if I lose picks because of his mistakes that I have been trying to point out for over a week.
124wiggs@inlaws
      ID: 53729189
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 10:44
isn't there another rifc league that is in the 1st rd right now? I can understand why you guys are flustered but i don't know if it's worth screwing up the drafts of a team or two. don't let it ruin your league. the season starts on sept. 6. that gives you like 14 draft days. so you gotta do between 1.5 to 2 rds a day. once you get through the 1st few rds it gets a lot easier to use queues.

two major differences
1) they will probably blow through 3 rounds minimum this weekend, there by putting us 2 rounds behind
2) they will have a 6 hour clock not an 8 hour clock
125Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 12:06
Holt - i think issues you're overlooking are:

1. now, because one person put the draft on hold for themselves - violating RIFC standards in the process - other people may find themselves at a disadvantage because the draft has to be rushed a bit more.

2. this one person is the commish. there's a faith and trust issue here as to whether someone who does this sort of thing can be trust to make fair and reasonable decisions - if necessary - during the course of the season, because, this decision was certainly not fair, nor reasonable.
126mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 12:56
That's exactly the main point, Tree. A commissioner's integrity is everything. If he loses that, he cannot lead effectively. It's a very simple concept.
127Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 13:14
I am not sure of the operating hours but PDT I already lose 3 hrs so if I lose my pick due to changing time from 6 hrs to 4 hrs I would be very tempted not even to show up for picks 3-24.
128Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 13:15
Before we jump all over the guy, probably too late, let him explain himself. Let Guru know the situation, and then we deal with it from there. There is no point to getting all worked up all weekend, we can't do anything about it until he gets back.
129fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 14:24
The only other thing we can do is replace kyle and continue the draft with new commish.
130Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 16:52
so so frustrating. so so infuriating.
131judy
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 18:05
Jeez --

What a mess for you guys. RIFC AA is on round 8, about to turn
for round 9. I have a great group of managers. The actual
players being drawn in the order they are being drawn is a bit
odd, but whatever!

Sorry to hear about all your troubles. I am sure you will get it
solved, but it must be really frustrating. I hate waiting even a
couple of hours to make a pick!

Judy

PV -- I hope it was a MacBook!
132Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 19:38
i'm going to further comment.

another thing that really burns me on this is that i'm in the midst of being a commish for another league. it's our second season, there are a lot of people in the league who have never done a keeper league before, and only a couple of us have ever used kafenatid before.

but one-by-one, we got them signed up, we got the draft going, and except for one guy who timed out today, people are leaving queues, checking their emails to see if they're up, etc etc, and i'll be damned, it's pretty much so far the smoothest draft i've ever helmed...
133Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 19:46
Tree- If I remember correctly you were commissioner of my AAA football league 2 years ago which went smoothly w/o a hitch- I don't think you had to beat on us at all
One of the things I always loved about all the Rotoguru league's is that we didn't have problems like this- To be fair this 3 day hiatus is ridiculous but this particular league was showing signs of diligence problems from day 1.
134Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sat, Aug 18, 2007, 21:27
I don't want to use hindsight, but this draft should have started untimed at the begining of the week. That would have saved the problem with my first pick as I already explained. Also, with the busy schedual he had, someone should have co-commished this league.

We all saw this coming I am sure.
135Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 13:22
I was asked to weigh in.

Very disappointing situation. I don't believe we've ever had a serious problem with a Commish before.

By and large, I think the league is going to need to figure out how to handle this. If the league members feel strongly that the current Commish cannot fulfill the duties in the best interests of the league, then it is not too late to depose him - but time is fleeting. I suppose that, if absolutely necessary, the draft could extend up to Saturday, Sept 8, even though the season starts with a Thursday night game (Sept 6). Obviously, that is not a desirable resolution, but you'll have to figure out whether it is better to "step on it" to finish on time, or to deal with the complications of a late finish. Particularly as the draft progresses, it should be less troublesome for people to set up queues if there are access issues.

Either way, I think you need to resolve this Monday. Changing Commissioners probably involves some registration headaches. ( Perhaps Fred could make the necessary changes to adjust the Commissioner mid-draft at kafenatid.net, but perhaps not.) There is also the matter of the setup of the league at the hosting site, although it may be possible to reload from scratch there.

FWIW, the Commissioner should be responsible for ensuring the appropriate pacing and standards for the draft and for the league. The timing standards do not have to exactly replicate those of the RIFC - and sometimes, leagues have adopted different standards (slower or faster clocks, different moratoriums, etc.) Without having studied all of the posts above in detail, there are some troubling issues raised.

Good luck.
136mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 14:00
Thanks Guru. In the past, I have had Fred change commish control and I still have last year's AA league set up on AOL. Just need to resend invites and you guys accept and change the team name.

The Kafenatid transfer will probably depend on Kyle's cooperation, as he's probably paid for it. If necessary, I'll purchase another draft, reset the picks and trades and we'll resume the draft at pick 2.05 with a replacement.

The replies from my email seem to want Kyle to step down as commish, but continue as a manager. I guess that depends on his level of cooperation. If he willingly turns over the reigns, he could probably stay. If not,he'll have to be replaced. I've already worked that out, if needed.

But first, we should give Kyle a chance to explain himself. We need to complete that process as early as possible, on Monday so we can move on with the draft. I think we can still finish on time, but it will take a supreme effort by every manager and the use of queues, especially in the later rounds. Most of those later picks have been proven to be WW fodder in any event.

I'll compose an email and send it to Kyle, stating our perceived problems and that we propose to replace him. The next step is up to him. Perhaps he'll have a legitimate reason for his actions. We'll see.
137judy
      ID: 597401015
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 15:11
Mjd -

If you use last year's AA info, I think you can just rename the
league, delete the managers and fill in with new ones without
having to reload the scoring data. I would try it as it would save
a TON of time.

I would recommend, however, that you tweak the schedule. Last
year, there were a few weeks (the bookend ones) where we
played the same set of teams again, and I don't think that should
happen. If you want the spreadsheet I used to redo the
schedule, let me know. It is at home, so it would be tomorrow.

Good luck.
138fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 15:28
Who cares what kyle wants? lets get this thing rolling. don't really want him in this league now anyway. he has screwed this thing up beyond repair in my eyes. let's just replace him and get this thing rolling with a 4 hour clock. QUICK!
139Tree
      ID: 58755179
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 15:53
a four hour clock is just too short to start the draft. hopefully, people will use good faith when possible and we won't have to worry about it, but within the first few rounds, it would be a problem for a clock that short.
140fugazi
      ID: 3611111522
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 16:02
Hopefully people will not use the full 6 hours for each pick then. I can't believe this is happening in my rifc league. this is the only league I care about.
141Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 17:05
6 hours for some will be inevitable now.... Leaving queue's always seems to not work out... There has to be a strategy in the draft, especially the RIFC leagues...

I would rather just do the whole draft on one night, then leave queues of some players I may or may not want...
142mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 17:42
Check your emails. I have a plan.
143Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:02
Sorry I didn't leave ample information about my being gone this weekend. I also appologize for disappointing you guys. I was trying to get the draft started so we could deal with absences, but that didn't work out. I also appologize as I must not have had my queue turned on. I left a queue and still have a player left in it. I appologize for letting you all down. I will be here to manage the draft until the end if you will allow me. I am seriously upset to let you all down like this.

I feel like we will be able to finish this draft since the AAA #1 is still on the first round.

I will also re-read the rules for the RIFC and see if I am missing anything. I thought last year in AAA #2 we had a weekend pause. I must have been incorrect.

Hopefully the AAA #2 league will carry on despite this bad start.
144Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:21
We're moving again. I hope that I can make my picks before I go to work tommorow.
145Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:23
How about we try and bust out a couple rounds tonight... Hell I will stay up late if I have to... Work tommorow, but it is "Casual Week" so maybe I'll just be casual going into work lol :)
146mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:39
Looks like we're rolling again. Kyle picked, but has not checked in yet.
147Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:40
read post 143
148Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:41
He posted above... your pick now MJ lets just roll ... we can work out anything later on...
149wiggs
      ID: 2542623
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 18:41
dam, i had peyton and carson queued up and thought for sure i would get 1 of them.
150mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:01
I can't believe that Peyton made it to me. I felt for sure that Kyle would make me wait all weekend, then steal him. In that case Palmer would have been the pick, wiggs.
151Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:14
Kyle,
Thanks for the post in #143. I think everyone appreciates you not taking a defensive posture. Now that we're moving again, it's likely that all our moods will improve dramatically.
152Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:18
Is Building 7 out for the weekend? Saw that he was getting on a plane Friday morning, and that he left a queue for his next pick. He hasn't written anything in this thread since.
153mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:20
It figures we'd get bogged down somewhere as we haven't made a pick in over 48 hours. I've gotten no email replies from Building 7/bjclinton0 and his Q is empty/unavailable. Hopefully he'll check in soon.
154mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:34
Sorry, missed 143. For now, I'm just happy to be moving again. We can work out the details later.

Went to dinner, came back, and it was my pick
155Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 19:56
We might stall out on this Fuga... I made his last pick for him, but queue is empty now...
156mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 20:34
wiggs should be around soon. Got an email from him just over an hour ago.
157wiggs
      ID: 2542623
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 21:17
sorry boys, thought we were stalled, i was here playing some online poker. I am good if anyone needs to leave a queue
158Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 21:45
Kyle, I would like to second the thoughts of PV. Sometimes things like this happen, and it is unfortunate when they do. I am happy that you are staying with us as a manager.
159TD
      Sustainer
      ID: 036331011
      Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:59
Set up a 7 player queue for my 3rd and 4th round picks with everyone as DP.
160mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 03:04
Wish it was a little closer to me or later in the draft, I'd leave a Q. But just can't yet. My next pick depends on who goes off the board in the next few picks. I'lI be back no later than 12 to 1PM to make my pick.
161twilson
      ID: 177463022
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 04:33
I plan on sleeping in tomorrow, so I left a queue with enough players to cover my 4th round pick. Please take the top player from the list when it is my turn. If the draft comes around to me again before 3 PM or so, please give me a call at (973)903-9272.
Thanks!
162Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 11:39
I just entered TD's 4th round pick from his queue.
163Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:17
I don't know what just happened but I was sure I had turned my queue off- I was waiting for twilson to pick- next thing I knew someone had picked Norwood for me when I wanted Evans- Oh well LOL- So much for my queue-I emptied it now.
164mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:32
Sorry, Valkyie.

I should have given you a few more minutes. I saw the Q available and just made the pick. I did check the draft thread first though.

Won't happen again.
165Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:47
Not a problem MJD- I was too lazy to change my queue late last night and thought I had the damn thing off- from now on I'll keep the queue empty unless I want it to be used- actually the queue you used was left over from my 3rd pick- Norwood is not a horrible pick esp if Dunn reinjures himself- although I think I needed a #1 WR a lot more than a #3 RB, but I seriously doubt my screw up will have a significant effect overall.
166Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 13:59
Did we want to do a Draft rational discussion? Now would be an ideal time to start one in the draft.
167mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:00
Can never have too many RB in this league
168 mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:24
Can anyone TM promise? There's a problem with the Verizon tower in our area. I have no signal.

Give me an email addy and I'll send you the message
169Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:27
mjd I am here and I can text him. I also can see his q even tho I am not a DP of his.
170mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:31
He just wants to know who is left in his Q. Do you have his number?
171mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:40
It's after 2, Electro should be around to make his picks.
172Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:40
No I do not. I will send you an e-mail with who is top on his q
173mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 14:47
Number sent back. Just tell him who's left in his q.
Thanks
174Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 15:04
Pick made from promize's text message.
175mjd
      Sustainer
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 15:16
Thanks Kyle. Electro emailed me earlier, said he be home after 2 to pick. His q is empty anyhow.
176Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 15:24
His q is full, but it is unavailable.

I am going to close this thread, it's getting awfully long.


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