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0 Subject: RIFC 2010 AAA #2 (Judy) Getting Started

Posted by: judy - Leader [7771722] Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:03
Please sign up here for the AAA #2 league hosted by Judy. We will be using MFL for the
weekly play and possibly also for the draft. We will keep you posted on that.

If you have any rules input see the thread for your ideas/responses etc.
1Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:07 		present
2judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:09 		I saw preliminary interest from the following:

Ref
mjd
loki
holt
toral
russeldl
taxman
coldwater
wiggs

Please confirm below on this thread.

Thanks.

if all the above sign in, we will need 4 more First come, first served.
3 Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:19 		I'm in.
4 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:39 		In
5Loki from IPhone
      ID: 82221017
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:59 		I am in.
6 dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 14:20 		I would be interested in joining the league

team name last year was touchdowners
7coldwater coyotes
      ID: 42233218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 14:26 		In
8judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 15:19 		Slowhand is #1 on the WL for this league if there ends up being room.
9 TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:11 		I am interested in joining this league.
10 Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:20 		Judy: If you need another manager you can count me in.
12 Taxman
      ID: 53382122
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:14 		yes I'm in...and will start making a daily check of this & related RIFC AAA threads.
14 Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:57 		I can go here if there is room.

edit: called it #1 when it is apparently #2
15judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 20:45 		PD (#10) would go to the waiting list. Once holt and wiggs check in, we just need one more.
16Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 20:49 		Don't we have to use Guru's AAA waiting list:
I suggest that we form a "first-come, first-served" waiting list for any remaining AAA openings. The following teams will have a priority ranking on this waiting list:
Pancho Villa, Crazy 88s, Da Bomb, Slowhand. These four teams will get the first four open AAA spots, first come, first served. If there are remaining openings for a AAA league, those may be filled by any team which played in any previous year’s QL or the RIFC, first come, first served.

17judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 21:01 		Yup, but PD is not an AAA QL for this year, so he goes at the bottom of the AAA wait lists. I've emailed
him about the non QL issue. He's OK with it. Slow was the first priority WL'er to ask for this league, which
is the reason for post #8, but we might fill up first.

We are in great shape -- just one more manager needed -- I'll bet we get him tonight!
18Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 21:28 		As I told Judy, sometimes these #2 leagues can be hard to fill so I simply said I'd be happy to fill in if needed. No biggie.
19 Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 22:34 		I hope my email to you puts me in .. I'm pretty sure it was first and I'd love to be in your league.
20judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 23:14 		PD -- we're #2 in name only!
21wiggs
      ID: 48612223
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 23:38 		in.
22judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 23:59 		I think that Slow is correct but ran it by GURU to be sure. If it is correct then Slow is #14
and we are full up.

Also waiting for confirmation from holt and russeldl.
(Can you believe there would be two d russell's in this league -- AAA bound and
touchdowners??)
23 russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 11:50 		I'm in!
24Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 12:56 		So am I in this league or no? Very confusing.
25holt
      ID: 126142912
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 13:14 		In!
27judy
      ID: 5321213
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 13:23 		Here we are:

coldwater
dpr
holt
loki
judy
mjd
nerfherders
ref
russeldl
Slowhand
taxman
TD
toral
wiggs

The league is now full up!
28judy
      ID: 5321213
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 13:41 		Please volunteer here to do the draft order picking order math!
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 13:50 		Since we have not yet decided how the draft order will be set (traditional snake, or something else), it is premature to work on order selection yet.
30dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 11:49 		Around when are we thinking about starting the draft?
31Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 14:17 		Officially mid august (16 ?????) but we open it up untimed
once the order is set

We follow the big boy schedule.
32judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 10:25 		If you want to see a fun discussion, check out the big boys thread as they discuss what type of draft
sequence to use. They are looking at snake, third round reversal (3RR) and a crazy one called Bonsaiiiiii.

So far with 9 votes in, Bonsaiii leads...

Generally, we follow what the big boys do...

It will impact what draft picking slot you choose so I recommend you look it over AND if you can figure
anything out, let us know here!
33dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 10:26 		You gave me a Jets logo? Ouch.
34judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 10:32 		no, no, no -- you inherited the jets logo

who is your fav team?

35judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 10:35 		Looks like the draft will begin officially on August 23, but we usually open it up over the
weekend before so if your guy makes it through his final preseason game safely, you could go
ahead and draft him.
36wiggs
      ID: 48612223
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 11:09 		If we do not start until the 23rd i will have to withdraw myself from this league. I will be away for 10 days at the end of august, I have someone to help me draft, but I didnt think they would have to do the whole draft. I always thought we started earlier then the 23rd.

Thanks
wiggs
37Footwedge
      ID: 42756106
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 12:59 		I was out of town and missed deadline. Can I still get in here?
38dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 13:22 		34

I am a Pats fan which is why the Jets logo was so horrific. I did read in the email that it was left over from last year and have already removed it.
39Footwedge
      ID: 42756106
      Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 00:00 		Thanks for the invite Judy. Ready to go
40judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 14:39 		FW -- invite in the "mail"...
41judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 14:39 		dpr -- it that a smoking gun on the Pat's helmet???
42russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 21:20 		You mixed us up already Judy! That's my helmet. I picked it not because of the Pats color scheme but because I enjoyed the irony that there's no way a team could use a logo like that in this PC age.
44judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 13:32 		oops -- sorry -- probably won't be the last time -- although I did wonder why a guy (dpr)
with the berkeley email addy was rooting for the Pats -- that should have been a clue...

really though what are the odds that two guys with the exact same names are in the same 14
team league???
45Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 13:34 		It'll be real confusing I can tell you from experience Judy. Just wait till you try to put through a late transaction for one at quarter to one and can't find the guy to drop because you have the wrong team!
46russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 09:18 		I always make it a point to put my team name in my subject line of my emails. Just in case I send the email to the wrong league.
47 Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 19:39 		Hi folks. There's a rumour going around these parts that you need a replacement for Wiggs, and I appear to be a prime candidate. Can this be confirmed?
48Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 21:19 		Footwedge was on the Q list and took the spot.

Sorry.
49judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Aug 03, 2010, 23:44 		We are using the Banzai format for the draft this year: From GURU:

In the RIFC, we have decided to use a "Banzai" format for the draft. This is essentially the same
as a regular snake draft except that the third round is reversed. I believe this can be set up in MFL as
a snake draft, after which you can manually reverse the order of the third round.

I am sending out an email asking for a volunteer to do the math stuff for the draft order picking
order. Then GURU has a program to generate the random numbers.
50russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 00:52 		FYI- I also found this example from Guru helpful:

So, for example, if you have the first pick in a traditional snake, your first four picks are 1, 28, 29, and 56. In a Banzai style, your first four picks are 1, 28, 42, and 56. Only the third pick is changed, delayed from #29 to #42. Every other pick in the entire draft is the same for both methods.
51judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 17:32 		Please check out the discussion on the Big Boys thread for some good information about the Bonsai draft. We are
going to follow them in all stats, drafts, etc aspects. So, we will also use the MFL random draft order generator to
select the order in which we pick our draft picking slot -- it is NOT the draft order.

I just got home from a conference and might get to it tonight, but definitely this weekend. You will get an email with
the information.
52Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 17:50 		Banzai, Bonzai...I like the name "Third Round Reversal". That's all it is. That's what the really big boys (NFFC) who play for big money, call it.
53judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:53 		From the MFL email:


Your league commissioner has generated the draft order for your league - you can view the entire order on your
Reports > League > Draft page.

Round 1 Draft Order:
1. footwedge
2. Slowhand
3. HOLT
4. RIFC bound
5. Nerfherders
6. Toral Wheatfarmers
7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman

This draft order was randomly generated by the MyFantasyLeague.com site, ensuring no commissioner bias
when determining your draft order.
54judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 12:58 		Remember the list in #53 is the order to PICK your draft slot, NOT the actual draft order. I will set
that up once this process is completed.

Ok then, Footwedge, the last into the league, is the first to pick his draft slot:

Copy paste the list into the next message. Put your name into the draft slot you want,
and if you can, email the next person in line from #53 above. Thanks.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
55Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Sat, Aug 07, 2010, 13:11 		For those of you who might have mfl access issues at work,
Guru has created a work around for viewing only.

It also allows us to see who in the other RIFC leagues chose
whom when.

Go to post #179 in the big boys thread. It's really cool -- no
more need to try to keep my own spreadsheets up to date!
56holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 10:15 		has footwedge been emailed?
57judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 13:59 		He got the post is #53. I will send a special email.
58Footwedge
      ID: 42756106
      Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 21:29 		Sorry. I'll take #6 pick
59Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 21:56 		1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
60Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 22:21 		1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10.Slowhand
11.
12.
13.
14.
61Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 10:34 		FYI I emailed Holt last night; I'm sure he'll check in today.
62holt
      ID: 16716911
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:16 		Sorry guys - picking in a moment.
63holt
      ID: 16716911
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:21 		BANZAI!!!

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13.
14. Holt


4. RIFC bound
5. Nerfherders
6. Toral Wheatfarmers
7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
64russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 18:18 		1.
2. RIFC Bound
3.
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13.
14. Holt



5. Nerfherders
6. Toral Wheatfarmers
7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
65Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 18:57 		1.
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13.
14. Holt

6. Toral Wheatfarmers
7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
66Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 20:27 		.
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8.
9.
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13. Toral
14. Holt

7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
67mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 21:10 		1.
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7.
8. mjd
9.
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13. Toral
14. Holt


8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
68coldwater coyotes
      ID: 42233218
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 21:11 		I will take #7
69loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 21:31 		1. NY Titans

2. RIFC Bound

3. Nerfherders

4.

5.

6. Footwedge

7. coldwater coyotes

8. mjd

9.

10. Slowhand

11.

12.

13. Toral

14. Holt

10. GhostWood

11. TD Dragons

12. Ref

13. dpr

14. taxman

70judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 23:52 		1. Titans
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7. coldwater coyotes
8. mjd
9. Ghostwood (Judy)
10. Slowhand
11.
12.
13. Toral
14. Holt

--------------------
UP NEXT:
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
71TD
      ID: 72121722
      Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 06:31 		1. Titans
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4.
5.
6. Footwedge
7. coldwater coyotes
8. mjd
9. Ghostwood (Judy)
10. Slowhand
11.
12. TD Dragons
13. Toral
14. Holt

--------------------
UP NEXT:
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
72Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 11:29 		Just like to say how interesting it is to look at the other leagues' draft slot selections. No two leagues did it the same way!
73loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 23:26 		I thought that the best position was #14, but one can never go wrong by having the first pick, assuming that that player stays healthy for the season. Looking at what remained, I went with #1.
74Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 23:34 		1. Titans
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4. Ref
5.
6. Footwedge
7. coldwater coyotes
8. mjd
9. Ghostwood (Judy)
10. Slowhand
11.
12. TD Dragons
13. Toral
14. Holt
75dpr
      ID: 55751023
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 00:06 		1. Titans
2. RIFC Bound
3. Nerfherders
4. Ref
5. taxman
6. Footwedge
7. coldwater coyotes
8. mjd
9. Ghostwood (Judy)
10. Slowhand
11. dpr
12. TD Dragons
13. Toral
14. Holt


guess thats it.
76Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 10:46 		So does the WW start in reverse order of this? ;)

Round 1 Draft Order:
1. footwedge
2. Slowhand
3. HOLT
4. RIFC bound
5. Nerfherders
6. Toral Wheatfarmers
7. mjd
8. coldwater coyotes
9. NY Titans
10. GhostWood
11. TD Dragons
12. Ref
13. dpr
14. taxman
78judy
      ID: 597401015
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 11:52 		No --

the first WW is the reverse of #75 which is the draft order --
what you put in #76 was the draft slot picking order
79mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 19:21 		I believe that the first ww order is the inverse order of the first
round of the draft, which is as Judy says is #75 barring any trades
involving 1st round picks.
80Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 21:39 		Hence the ;)
83Taxman
      ID: 53382122
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 04:44 		Judy, When will MFL league page be adjusted to show the correct draft order AND the draft log be updated to correctly show the "banzai" or better named 3rd round reversal draft pick??

Currently, the Number 1 Draft position reflects Footwedge and his picks are: 1.01, 2.06, 3.05, 4.14, 5.02, 6.12, 7.07 and other non-sense.

If I understand the banzai/3rd round reversal, the Number 1 Draft position (which should be Titans) receives picks: 1.01, 2.14, 3.14, 4.14, 5.01, 6.14, 7.01 and continues therafter as a serpentine draft.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
84judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 11:46 		Hi Taxman,

I just fixed it this am. Yesterday was a wash as I had to meet my Dad at the hospital for a gash in his
head when he fell at 5 am. He's home and as "fine" as a 95 year old can be...

To all the others -- check out the draft order. You will see your pick # round by round and also overall.
Also, I can see that dpr has already set a Q for his first round pick. I can't see what it is, but I can see that
he set it.

Please read the draft Q rules carefully, so you do not end up with a player you do not want. I am not yet sure
what commish controls I have, but I am sure I can work with you via email messages (not texting) and make
picks for you - but this new Q system should avoid that.

This is how I understand it -- please correct me if I am wrong.

The most important item is that if it is your turn and there is a player in your Q, he will automatically be
picked for you -- I don't see where you can open/close your Q like in Kafenatid. You can also make a
separate list for each round of the draft -- that is cool, since you can count how far away you are and
leave a list that long.

I see that a problem could develop where if you don't know who you got in say R#12, you aren't sure that
your R#13 list would still work for you. But I think you can solve that by not leaving a Q for R#13 and
planning to pick manually?

85judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 11:57 		MORE DRAFT STUFF

As of now I plan to open the draft when I go to bed on Thursday night August 19, so it will be ready for the
official start on Friday August 20th.

For now we will use an untimed draft with no time limit on weekends. If the draft really slows down, we will
go to a (X -- 4 -5 - 6 we will vote on that) hour clock 7 days a week, but we have gone untimed the last 2
seasons so I expect that to continue. (I am also assuming that the draft site will have a clock somewhere so
we can see how long the picks are taking...)

Special note With the draft beginning on a Friday, we might not get too far that day. If you are
NOT GOING TO PICK OVER THE WEEKEND, please post same in the thread so we don't keep running to our
computers to see if you picked yet!

Once I open the predraft thread next week --please use that to post any issues and expected delays that
you might have. You can also email me. I should be able to check my computer every 4 - 5 hours as field
hockey reffing begins for me that week.

Final note, if we need to go timed, do you prefer a 4, 5, or 6 hour clock? It would be 7 days a week,
midnight EDT to 6 am EDT. VOTE HERE.
86Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 12:17 		4 hour clock if we should need one.
87TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 13:53 		6 hour clock only if needed.
88TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:01 		I may be a little slow to pick the first weekend. I don't plan on setting up a queue until it is close to my pick for the first few rounds. After the first few rounds, I have no problem setting up a long queue.

I am going to a wedding on Friday evening August 20th, and on the beach most of the weekend. I will check in occasionally.
89mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:15 		I don't recall the last time a clock was needed for one of Judy's
drafts and since this league has many of the usual suspects, I'd
venture to guess that it probably won't be needed again.

I'm interested in seeing how this draft pans out on MFL. I can
already tell you that I don't like the fact that we don't have the
power to turn our queues on or off. I like to turn mine off and
stash players names in there as a watch list. Turn it on when
needed.

And if there were any problems with OTC, Fred was readily
available to fix them almost immediately. We'll see how quick
MFL is to respond to any issues that may pop up.

I guess I'm not one to fix something that's not broken, but I'll
maintain a open mind while we try this out.

90Toral
      ID: 526301920
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:18 		I too depend on the power to turn queues on and off. I'll stick 15 players in a queue after my pick, turn it off, and sit down seriously and sort out the 3 or 4 left when it gets close to my pick, before turning it back on. Without that ability I wouldn't be queueing very far ahead.
91judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:38 		TD: Thanks for the heads up .

So did you guys on your owner pages look to see if there was an on/off "button"? Can you opt out
of a "pick for me automatically"?

Toral and mjd -- that's what I do to... I am constantly changing my Q as the draft progresses, so I
like the slowness (relative) of it.

I think if we stay untimed, we are not stuck with that automatic thingie. One of the
managers for GURU is an MFL veteran and I posed the question -- and we'll get the answer for you.

92Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:43 		I've posted on MFL about improving their software to allow you to set conditional queues based on your last pick, so you can easily set queues for 2+ rounds and not worry about grabbing the same position. This is really the only thing they're missing.

As far as turning queues on and off, while I don't think it makes any difference since a queue turned off doesn't let a pick happen regardless...there is a way to mimic this mostly. Go to My Draft List and move the players over you'd like to look at and save it. Once you do that, you can go to the draft page and use that list to select players to stick in your queue rather than from the ADP or Alpha list. You can also auto draft straight from your My Draft List, but I don't think you can actually turn that on unless the live draft room is enabled.
93Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 14:50 		It doesn't matter whether you have a clock or not, the system uses a queue as soon as it's your turn to pick. If everyone set a queue long enough for every single pick in the draft, as soon as it started the draft would be completed within seconds. If you don't want your pick made as soon as it comes up, don't leave a queue. You can use the My Draft List as I stated in the post before. If you set the draft to something like 'live + slow' or whatever the option is, the live draft room is enabled and I know you can check a box to draft from your My Draft List. You could always consider doing this as well.

I suggest starting up the draft early and letting people enter queues/picks to test things out if you want. You can always reset it for the real thing.
94judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 15:04 		I am not liking what Bonka is saying. I like the slow draft which takes 10-12 days to
complete. We always finish in plenty of time and we go untimed.

This sounds like the MFL goal is to get the draft completed as fast as possible and that is
not our philosophy.

I sent a few questions into MFL as well.
95Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 15:09 		I did just check MFL and you'd have to set the draft type to a live draft for the live draft room option. In the live draft room, there should an 'I'm Away' box to check. If that's checked, the system pulls from the My Draft List until it runs out and then the ADP list as far as I know. I've never actually used it before. I wouldn't really suggest marking yourself as away and then leaving for an entire day or two unless your My Draft List is set long enough or you don't mind your picks made off ADP. I'd stick with setting queues for each round.
96Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 15:14 		Judy, I don't see what the problem is. The draft is still going to run for a while since not everyone sets a queue. If there's no queue to pull from, the draft sits on that pick until that person enters one. But there's no reason to sit around waiting for a designated picker to pick from your queue while you're away rather than the system automatically do it for you.
97Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 15:23 		While I'm here I want to mention, like I did in the main thread, that if you are using a Yahoo email address for MFL you should get a secondary one from some place like gmail and use that instead. Lately Yahoo has been delaying emails from MFL for hours or days and you will not receive anything in a timely manner. This is Yahoo's fault, not MFLs.

As a side note, you can just set up a secondary address and have it forward to your Yahoo account so you can continue to just check the one account. This is what I do.
98dpr
      ID: 43622222
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:00 		Yea I always used used my queue as a watchlist of sorts just giving a list of 10 guys I hoped would be there at my next pick and then thinking carefully when there are only 3 left and I am 2 picks away or however it goes. My plan after looking it over briefly is to set the last round as my normal queue and then when i would turn it on I will update it to the current round.

Queuing seemed really difficult as as far as I could tell you couldn't start typing a players name and instead have to scroll thru one of the lists. Also no ability to shift click.
99Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:09 		dpr - use the alphabetical list option, click on any name, and then start typing. It should immediately skip to the first occurrence of that name. (That's a browser function, not something built into the software.)
100Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:14 		You can also use the My Draft List and select multiple players at a time or import an external list by copy and pasting under the import link. Then when you're on the page to set your queue, use the My Draft List and you'll have the guys you've been looking at to select from.
101mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:46 		I'm OK with giving it a go. Remember, several of us will advance
next season and if MFL is used again for the draft, it'd probably
be best not to be behind the learning curve by using a different
draft site this year.

And by setting a queue for each individual round, this will really
eliminate any confusion/angst for those picking at or near the
turns.

I guess my main concern is the MFL response time to any
potential glitches while the draft is in progress.
102judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 16:52 		Bonka I am confused #95 and 96 seem to me to contradict each other.

In #95, it suggests that if you check "I'm away" then MFL will pull from your lists -- I do not want
that. What's the point of saying I am away if it picks for you? I like to make lists -- it's fun to see my
choices get picked off before I get a chance. Here if I make a list, MFL might pick someone from that
list and I do not want that option. I want to make the pick all by myself manually or if I open my Q,
my dp or the commish (me and I am around a lot during the draft) can do it. I do not want the
automatic picking unless I specifically tell the system to do that. I do not see that option to close my Q (as
opposed to leaving it empty).

#96 -- I don't want the system to pick automatically for me as I am concerned that it will do more
than the single round I want because it will go too fast. Think about the folks with 2 in a row -- in
Kafenatid, they had time to rethink their choices. Here, although you can set two separate lists for
each round, it will pick both of them in a heartbeat and you might have wanted the option to think
first -- especially since there is such a long time until your next pick and maybe you left for work with an
RB and WR list and find out that there has been a run on QB's and if you don't have the option to rethink,
you'll have to wait 29 places to get one and he'll be a lousy one for sure.

If I leave an empty Q the last thing I want is for MFL to pick for me off of an ADP list -- I am NEVER
in synch with the ADP list -- I take chances. I need a guarantee that if I leave an empty Q, MFL
won't pick for me. Since we are untimed, it should never pick for me...??

But then, as I said above, I like to have lists ready and now I have to do it by hand with paper and
pencil and that is way too messy and disorganized.
103Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 17:14 		Well, logically, if you're 'away' then you're not around to pick, so you're telling the system to pick for you. This is only available in the live draft, isn't even be enabled unless you choose to do so. So I wouldn't worry about it, it was just a suggestion.

Assuming the live draft isn't enabled, there's only 2 (default) to 4 ways the system will pick for you, depending on how you have the league set up.

1. You have to manually set a queue for each round/pick. Each round/pick has its own queue. If you only set a queue for round 1, it's only for round 1. Queues do not carry over round to round. You can see who has queues set up for each pick on the draft report.

2. By default, and if you have a timer set, if your time runs out for a pick, the system will select the top player from your My Draft List. The My Draft List is initially empty, so you must fill this up yourself. If you have no queue and no players in the My Draft List when your time expires, then your pick is skipped and can be made up later.

3. Expanding on number 2, there's another option where the system will pick from ADP if your time expires and your My Draft List is empty. This is not on by default.

4. The commish can mark any team to be drafted for automatically. This is the explanation pulled directly from the page where you can make these changes:

Check all franchises that the system should automatically make all picks for as soon as they get on the draft clock. The system will automatically pick a player for the owner based the highest-ranked available player, first based on the owner's "My Draft List" player ranking, and then once that list is exhausted, according to rankings displayed on the ADP page. Note that pre-draft picks always take first precedence, so if an owner has pre-draft picks for a round, they will be checked for a possible draft pick instead of relying on this setting.

Additionally, the commish can go back and change any pick if needed.
104Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 17:38 		Judy - At best, I think you are confused. At worst, I think your worries are unfounded.

First of all, forget about the "I'm away" or live draft option. We won't be using that option, so it's irrelevant. Ignore post 95 altogether.

Simply use the "My Draft List" as you would typically use the queue in OTC. The only time anything will be picked automatically from that list is if you time out. If you don't set the clock, that's never. But even with a 6-hour clock, you have 6 hours before anything is done by default. And if you are really worried, then leave a placeholder name at the top of your list, so that it's obviously not a real pick.

If you plan to be away, then copy some players from "My Draft List" into your queue for the next pick. If you will be away for an extended period, set up two separate queues for the next 2 rounds. If you come back before your queues have been used, then simply empty them.

Your general "My Draft List" will be unaffected by any of that, as long as you don't time out.

I don't foresee this draft going dramatically faster than those we are used to - unless a lot more people use queues. In OTC, queue picks weren't automated, but they were still generally made quite promptly.
105judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 17:59 		Bonka,
We plan to run the draft untimed so how will that affect stuff?

Is this it?
if there is a player in the Q, he will be chosen automatically.
if the Q is empty nothing will happen until the manger makes a manual pick?
106Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 18:01 		Yes, if there's no timer then that's all that should happen.
107judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 18:01 		BTW -- thaks Guru, yes I am confused -- I tend to overthink stuff...

If #105 is correct, we are good to go.
108holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 20:29 		4 hr clock, if necessary, but I don't really care. 6 is cool too.
109Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 10:18 		If it becomes an issue enough to put a clock on it then 4 hrs max. seems obvious to me.
110TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 11:07 		Took a quick look at the MFL draft site, and I see two improvements over OTC.

- automated picks from queue.
- separate queues for each round.

Otherwise very similar to OTC.
111Taxman
      ID: 53382122
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 11:30 		4 hr clock if needed
112TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 14:43 		I find the new draft order intriguing. My gut feel is the draft slot 14 is the best because you have the 1st pick in rounds 2-4, but I am probably wrong. After making my selection, I found this article and totaled up the values for a 14 team draft.
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/07pasquino_trr12.php

Using values from chart, slot 1 was best, and slot 9 was the worst.

Draft Slot - value total

1 - 5448
2 - 5413
3 - 5380
14 - 5373
4 - 5357
13 - 5348
5 - 5334
12 - 5328
6 - 5321
11 - 5316
7 - 5308
10 - 5304
8 - 5303
9 - 5302
113judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 15:57 		Great -- I am in slot 9...

I'll just have to prove them wrong with my clever and intelligent draft picks and subsequent
brilliant play by said picks!!
114loki
      ID: 52741323
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 00:04 		If a clock is needed, 4 hours
115russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 12:24 		I think those numbers just show that most of the spots are pretty even. I like this bonzai thing so far. When picking a spot, I felt like I could talk myself into just about any spot.
116judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 13:36 		Hi everyone,

I finally had time to check the scoring set up and discovered that several key scoring categories did
not come over from our 2009 league!! Important stats too -- like TD's... I believe that I
have fixed everything. I have asked Guru to send me a copy of his MFL scoring page(s) so I can
make sure. Feel free to look it over.

I also updated the post draft, preseason waiver wire order (opposite of draft order.)

Please, if at any time you see an error, let me know ASAP so I can investigate and fix. This is OUR
league and we want it to work right!

Those of you new to MFL are hopefully enjoying being able to set up your home page with all kinds
of crazy options.

We still need a logo from drp though...
117judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 13:36 		oops -- it's dpr
118judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 15:49 		I just matched our scoring rules with the ones Guru sent and we are good to go! Phew!

An easy week now, just doing research and setting up the Q's. I will be very curious to see how fast our
draft goes with this new system.

I'll send out an email reminder about the draft's unofficial and official start times. I can see that 4 people
have loaded their first round Q and I did my 2nd round too -- although just for fun -- with players in it that
I expect to be gone by then, but I want to see how MFL handles that.
119 loki
      ID: 52741323
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 16:28 		Judy-Would you please email the link to our league to me. I
bought a Mac 3 days ago and that was lost in the transition.
I am at a venue where I can receive but not send email,
Thanks.
120judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:26 		In anticipation of our draft beginning on Friday at 12:01 am, please go to the
draft discussion thread.

I need a pretty link for it from someone -- thanks.
121Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:30 		Here's a Pretty link for the lovely Judy.
122dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 00:08 		On the MFL homepage where do you login? I can get to my team thru roundabout routes but when I don't have my log in saved I can't figure it out from the homepage. Clicking my leagues just says I am not logged in but then doesnt let me log in.

Help?
123dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 00:09 		Guess I figured it out. You need to search for the league and then login to that. Weird way of doing it.
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