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0 Subject: 2010 AAA#2 DRAFT DISCUSSION

Posted by: judy - Leader [7771722] Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:17
Copy/Pasted from teh Big Boys Thread (with a few alterations)
The RIFC draft will be activated at MFL tomorrow morning (Thursday), but our draft does not officially start until
Friday. Early picks are permitted, but not expected. Until the first round has been completed, the clock will be
turned off. After one round, the clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 1am-7am EDT. Please note:
The clock will continue to run on weekends.

I am unsure as to how the MFL draft system will handle it, but the intent is that people at the endpoints of the
draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced
to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of
that pick.

Remember that we are using a “Banzai” draft order, which differs from the traditional snake in that the order of
the third round (and only that round) is reversed. The MFL system shows the correct order.

We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you
have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is
due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you
can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette. I’ll also use this
thread for general announcements about the draft.

There are some important differences in the mechanics of the MFL system vs. the kafenatid.net system that we
have used in prior years. Those differences, along with instructions for using MFL, appear below in the next post.

When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest.
You will, however, need to start a complete lineup for the first NFL week.

Note that trades during the draft are allowed. Trades should be announced here, and may include any
combination of picks and/or players.

Players who are not yet listed at myfantasyleague.com may be drafted, and if so, a placeholder player will be
assigned to your roster until that player is available. Once the draft is complete, you may no longer sign (or
protect) an unlisted player.

Please be sure you understand all of the scoring and roster rules for this league. The current rules will be copied
into post 2 of this thread.

Rationales will be expected for each pick; we will do them in groups of 5 (#1-5, #6-10) etc. I will post threads for
that when the time comes. You are REQUIRED to do rationales.

Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.

If you wish to track the draft without directly accessing the mfl site (e.g., if that site is blocked from your access at
work), the following links may be used:

List view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=20248
Grid view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=20248
This will also allow you to keep tabs on other RIFC drafts as well. Note, however, that this is strictly a viewing
mechanism. It will not allow you to actually enter a draft pick, or set up a queue. For that, you will still need to log
directly into the mfl site - or else email the commish to do it.
1judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:18 		MORE FROM THE BIG BOYS THREAD
Here are some guidelines for executing your draft picks:

1. "My Draft List" - Under the "For Owners" menu (at the top), there is an item called My Draft List. You
can think of this as your personal pre-ranking of players if you wish, although it has one important
operational impact. If your 6-hour clock expires, then your pick will be automatically selected as the top
name on your "My Draft List". Only if that list is empty will your pick be skipped. (More on this in a
moment.)

2. "Pre-Draft Pick" list - These are the equivalent of the kafenatid "queue", with several important
distinctions:
There is a separate list/queue for each round, and they do not carry over, and
If there is a name in your queue, that player will be immediately selected when it is your turn to draft.
The only way to turn off a round-specific queue is to empty it.
Therefore, it is important to keep your queues empty unless you are sure that they should be used. If you
expect to want to load & unload your queue frequently (similar to turning it on or off), then you should
probably keep a list of players in "My Draft list", as you can quickly pull up that short list to add players
to any queue.

Of course, if you have players in "My Draft List", then you are also subject to having those players
selected if you should time-out. Typically, that shouldn't be a problem, as timing-out should be a rare
occurrence.

If you want to keep players loaded in "My Draft List" and you don't want to risk the top name being
selected automatically upon timeout, then I suggest putting a "placeholder" player at the top of your list.
Following is a short list of possible placeholders who are retired (or dead) yet still available in the MFL
database:
Chris Henry
David Tyree
Bert Berry
Junior Seau

There are undoubtedly other player names that we can come up with for additional placeholder options,
if needed. If you time-out and a placeholder player is automatically selected for you, then you can have
the commish replace that player with a real pick when you are available.

Note that because queued picks are automatically processed, there is no role tantamount to a designated
picker. As commissioner, I can enter a pick on anyone’s behalf. Other than that, you – or anyone else
with access to your MFL password – will be the only one who can directly enter a pick.

If any of these instructions are unclear, please ask.
2judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:21 		OOPS -- a correction to the main message:

Our draft will be untimed, unless needed.
This weekend is a "down time"; officially, we open on Monday am at 6 am. At that point, we
become concerned about how long each pick takes. Next weekend is "live".
3Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:30 		I linked to here and now I'm putting this on top of your old thread. Enjoy :)
4judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 23:53 		OOPS - MFL will not let me do 12:01. It has to be 12:15 am Friday.
5judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 10:48 		CONTACT INFO FOR THE DRAFT

From GURU:

To receive an email after each pick, you need to go to For Owners->Franchise Setup, then select Contact
info, and make sure Draft status update is checked in the bottom box (Send email for). While you are
there, make sure you have the other boxes selected to match your preferences. Some trial and error may
be necessary.

Trades (once the season starts) will be notified via email only if you select "New Poll Created"

If you go to the wireless link, you can have draft pick notifications sent to your phone via text message.
Sounds like that is already working for Building 7.

From Bonka:

If you go to the draft report page (reports > league > draft) and you can see all the picks that have
queues set up. Seeing blocks of pre-drafting is always nice.
6TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 10:57 		Links that Guru created for our league:
List view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=39301
Grid view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=39301
7TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 11:17 		I may be a little slow to pick this weekend. I don't plan on setting up a queue until it is close to my pick for the first few rounds. After the first few rounds, I have no problem setting up a long queue.

I am going to a wedding on Friday evening August 20th, and on the beach most of the weekend. I will check in occasionally. I will give Judy my cell phone number so she can call me if I am causing a long delay.
8 russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 23:14 		I'll be on the road for work a good part of the afternoon on Friday and at a music festival on Saturday. I should have email access and a system in place to make my picks. I've got a queue for my first pick. I'll set one for the second round also and I've got about 70 players in my draft list just in case.
Please feel free to email me if I'm holding things up.
9Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 23:26 		I'm golfing in a tournament this weekend my tee time tomorrow is 8 AM MDT so I should be done @ 2 or 3. I'm like TD though I hate to set up long queues early in the draft so I we can all be a bit patient this weekend. I will set up a small queue for my 1st round pick.
10judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 07:35 		I've emailed Loki/Titans.
11loki
      ID: 52741323
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 09:50 		Judy-I must have not set my queue correctly because I set it a
few days ago. I'll go to the site now.
12loki
      ID: 52741323
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 09:54 		Pick made.
13judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 10:36 		And we are OFF...!
14Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 10:43 		It appears that the MFL system does not remove drafted players from "My Draft List" or the actual draft queue. At least it hasn't yet.

This would make it useless for people who sometimes put down a list of 10 or 12 players with the idea of checking in a while later and looking more closely at the 3 or 4 that are left before setting a final queue. Because you'd have to remove the players already drafted from your "My Draft List" -- an added step that destroys the original purpose of the list anyway.

Unless I'm wrong about this it would appear that MFL's system will be useful only for very short queues once we get past the first round or so.
15dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 10:55 		I thought the same thing.

One thing I noticed though. If you go to make a queue for round two from your my draft list then the taken names are gone. However, making the mydraftlist is very annoying as it doesnt take away the drafted players so it really is the same as preranking 200+ players.

The differences from kafenatid definitely make this a challenge but once we get used to them, we could figure out ways to get things done as efficiently.
16Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 12:12 		I agree with your positive outlook dpr, that when we figure these things out we can do things as efficiently.

Anybody who's been through a Fantrax league is bound to take a can-do, optimistic, positive approach toward any other platform....

Toral
17Nerfherders
      ID: 597412011
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 12:42 		Sorry for the delay. Pick made!
18Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 13:29 		From what I see, when you go to set a queue on the draft page, if you're pulling players from your My Draft List, the players already selected are not there.
19Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 13:38 		That's not the issue. The issue is that once players have been selected they should be removed from My Draft List. Otherwise it's a stupid waste of time to create a list of players on My Draft List to make a queue from.

Are you financially involved in MFL, Bonka? Becuz it's clear that it's a pile o' shit drafting wise as compared to Kafenatid.

Toral
20Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 14:14 		No, but I think it's ridiculous when people just complain about things constantly that are essentially non issues. First, I can see why they don't remove players from the queues like that. If a pick is changed after it's made, the player originally selected is now back in the pool. That player could have been on the top of someone's queue. This is easily handled correctly with the original lists remaining intact.

Second, like I said, you can create the queues from your My Draft List while not displaying players already taken. I don't see the big deal with the My Draft List not updating when you can do this. It's not as if you're forced to set a queue while looking at all players whether they were drafted or not. And if you have a queue set and want to go back in and edit it, it's not that hard to manually remove players who were taken, or just leave them in, it's not like they're hurting anything. It's really no different from crossing names off a cheat sheet or marking/deleting them in an excel spreadsheet.

Also, I don't see Kafenatid offering anything useful you can't do with the MFL software. It's more the other way around since Kafenatid is lacking a lot of common and useful features currently. If you really have issues with the stuff at MFL, take it up with them and/or give them suggestions as to how things should work.

Sorry for stinking up your draft thread, but I wasn't going to just leave that comment go after politely pointing something out.
21Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 14:37 		Bonka:
It's really no different from crossing names off a cheat sheet or marking/deleting them in an excel spreadsheet.
Exactly. The MFL system offers no advantage from that. That's why it's useless.
Also, I don't see Kafenatid offering anything useful you can't do with the MFL software.


Well, we haven't started a thread yet on how much Kafenatid is better. Want to start one?

Toral

22judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:08 		FYI

There is an MFL App for the iPhone which will keep the game scores for you...Right now that is
"all" it does.
23mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:49 		I was hoping to be able to do a paperless draft this year.
24dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:56 		I think it jusy comes down to how you draft. Some peoples styles easily transitioned between the two systems whereas some tools that others relied on are no longer there. One system isnt superior ine very aspect.
25Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:12 		As you get used to some sites, they become more intuitive, but apparently I'm not familiar to this site still because I've had a devil of a time with it the past couple seasons. I've had to read a bunch of posts to try and find where things are located in the site. Still ahven't found the draft list on my own for example--have to click on the links here. Finally read enough stuff from Guru that I've now got my draft emails set up.

Kaf def doesn't have the answer to everything, but it's a lot more intuitive to me than this site as far as the draft goes. Still, as long as the mission is accomplished, it works.
26judy
      ID: 9729212
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:25 		The only major advantage that I see that MFL has over Kafe is that you can set a different Q for each round.
That is really nice. This saves a lot thread/emails to DP's (and me).

However, that is a bit cancelled out by the following omission:

I cannot turn my Q on and off.

For example, depending on what I get in round X might impact what I do in Round Y so instead of filling my
round Y Q, I have to leave it blank. Because if we start going faster in the middle to end rounds, my
position ideas might change from round to round and I would love to be able to fill my Q and then close my
Q. As it is now, I have to leave the Q blank and reload it closer to my actual pick -- and that means that I
am back to pencil and paper again.

I have always been able to see whose Q is loaded, but you have not. Do you like that feature -- esp since
then you know how fast your turn might come up?
27Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:30 		For example, depending on what I get in round X might impact what I do in Round Y so instead of filling my round Y Q, I have to leave it blank.

This is something I brought up on their forums and is the one thing I wish they'd implement. I'm not really sure if any other sites have a similar option, but it'd be nice to have conditional queues where you can set 2 or more queues and have one of them selected based on what position was taken last.
28dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:49 		It could even be as simple as a chack box saying don't take same position as last round and then skips over those players on you queue. Although that wouldn't be functional to cover all uses it would get most.
29dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:56 		btw, is there a way to get emails when it is your turn only or is it just an all or nothing thing?
30Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:25 		I wondered that too. It looks like spam or nothing.
31judy
      ID: 9729212
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:51 		#29 -- I have no idea --- and that's the trufth...
32mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:55 		Got a minor situation to handle here on the homefront. Should
be freed up to pick in an hour or so.
33mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:21 		There we go, 4 picks just that quick.
34judy
      ID: 9729212
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:26 		TD is probably at his wedding, so there will be a wait. I am sure he will check in tonight or tomorrow
AM.

#33 -- yeah it goes FAST -- 4 picks in 2 seconds!!

That's why not being able to shut your Q can be so dangerous!! At least with Kafe your DP (or me)
took a little bit of time -- usually giving you a few minutes to appear...
35Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:48 		Well I admit I was planning to take a QB in the first round, and my so=called "strategy" was based on wondering whethger I would have to pick one to smother Holt...

We hae no prisoners, ye maties...
36Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:22 		Y'all are mean I'm gonna havta think my whole 1st and and 2nd round tactics, such as they were. Don't expect a pik anytime before the Yankee 6 hr Northern Monday deadline.

Toral
37Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:40 		Yeah -- I kinda messed ya up dint I?

Have absolutely no idea what I am doing next...

New strategy -- no Westbrook to draft this year -- with all his
concussions last year I had hoped he would retire to live a
good life with his family...
38judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 22:35 		Not immediately dropping players (or putting a line through their names) in all parts of the different data bases (ADP,
Alpha, my Q, etc) when they are drafted is stupid. My R2Q has players in it that have been drafted!!! They are making
me take them out which means either using paper and pencil lists or flipping back and forth between screens. Really
dumb and I would be p****ed if I took out a guy I wanted -- by mistake.

How many times does a commish go back and change a pick? Let me tell you it is not often -- of the 336 players we
draft or the #??? for baseball, it's gotta be below .01%.

What a stupid decision -- or as some have suggested -- lazy programming.
40mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 01:50 		If you leave My Draft List empty, only the players left on the
board show up on the remaining choice of players listed on
the left side of the page. All drafted players are removed.

Hit ADP to see a ranking that's going to be somewhat close to
your rankings. Certainly not exact, but you'll be able to see
if any of the higher ranked players slip through. And those
remaining players are ranked using our scoring system.

Useful for at least the first 5-10 rounds, maybe more.

Then in later rounds, I might make it a watch list and create
Qs as needed.

The only thing I'll write down is reminders to mtself and
positions left to be filled. The only thing really missing is a
roster grid and that may be in here somewhere. I just haven't
found it yet.

I think this will work fine once we get used to it.
41Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 02:02 		Reports > Franchise > Rosters then click on Grid Format. Can do the same thing with Reports > League > Draft then Grid Format.

MFL's interface leaves something to be desired, but stuff isn't too difficult to find if you take some time and see what's there. Basically just scroll over all the different things in the Report menu and you're probably going to find what you're looking for or maybe something else you find useful. Their leagues have a lot of pages with reports or managing options and tons of commish options for league setup. Once you're used to it and can find your way around, it's pretty nice.
42mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 02:25 		I think that we're all becoming a bunch of old farts resistant to
change.We've used OTC for years and have become comfortable
with it, and dispite Fred's best efforts to make it idiot proof,
someone would always screw it up.

I really haven't played with MFL much yet, but the more I use it,
the better I like it. Beats the crap out of Fanball.
43loki
      ID: 52741323
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 08:37 		Please clear something up for me. Is OTC no longer active?
44Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:11 		OK, I'm queued up for round 1 now. I was totally shocked that the top 3 QBs were gone before it got to me.

Judy 38 -- I agree entirely. That's what I'm afraid of -- you go through the annoying dull routine of taking out players who are already drafted -- and accidentally remove one who actually hasn't been drafted yet.

If holt's good to go I 'll be able to producve a 2nd round pick as soon as I hear he's picked.
45judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:11 		If by OTC you mean, is the clock on? The answer is "no" since we are doing an untimed draft,
unless we need to set a clock. Officially the draft does not begin until 6 am Monday morning.

If you mean is Kafenatid still an active program, the answer is "yes" -- we just decided to try the
MFL draft scheme. Fred is making changes/upgrades to OTC in time for the baseball draft season.
46judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:13 		I am at my Dad's and will call TD when I get home -- around 10 am or so. He's might even have
picked by then (see #7 above).
47Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 13:04 		I'm here and will pick shortly.
48mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 13:06 		I'm here too
49judy
      ID: 5321213
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 13:44 		wow only half of the first 20 are RB -- things are a changin' in
fantasy football!

It's all about the points...
50russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 14:07 		I've got a Q set for round 2. It could be empty by the time my pick rolls around. I'm leaving at 2:30 for a concert but I'll have access.
51judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 14:26 		mea culpa
I mentioned an undrafted player in post #37 -- very sorry.
52judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 14:54 		Are you guys getting an email when it is your turn to manually (not Q) pick?

Only one person needs to answer.
53judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 15:56 		I think I have figured out why MLF does not unilaterally delete picks already made from our
personal Q's. It is programming trade off.

In Kafenatid when we created our Q's and then went to reorder the picks, each time we moved a
player up or down, it went to the main data base and as you recall, that took time for the change
to happen. I can remember moving a guy up a list of 10 picks and having it seem to take forever.

Here in MFL, it is easy to move the picks up and down in your personal Q and it happens quickly as
it does not go and reference the main data base. The main DB on the ADP and Alpha list are up to
date and are the only DB up to date.

So, what I am doing is hand writing my list for each Q (if it is a longish one) and then crossing off
the names as they are picked. I hesitate to delete the names from my Q as I might make a misteak
switching back and forth between the DB list and my Q -- and delete someone I really wanted!

It is a programming trade off and these seem to be the two choices and lucky us, we get to try
both!

Any thoughts?
54Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:10 		Good point about OTC -- moving someone up or down the queue took forever. Perhaps the advantages and disadvantages of the new way will balance out. We'll see.
55Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:12 		DeSean Jackson is a huge steal there IF he's still returning punts. I was unable to figure that out one way or the other looking at the Web.
56mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:28 		I predicted to Judy last night thay DJ would be her next pick if he
was still on the board. Wasn't sure he'd make it to her though.

Though it did not take a fotrune teller to predict that pick :D
57judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:31 		I am hoping the end arounds and direct snaps will make up for the chance that he might not
return PK -- a possibility the Inky has mentioned. He is a dangerous little guy! DJax is going
high in RIFC (2.05) and AAA#1 (2.06). I was thrilled he "fell" to me at (also) 2.06. I was sure
someone who knew I loved Iggles would snatch him away! His ranking is generally in the top
25 overall -- so 2nd round is not unexpected. And you knew I had to have an Iggle and he
could be the best one.
58Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:33 		I was thinking of taking him but didn't want to be thrown out of the league.
59judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:45 		Ya know what I am missing? The draft grid that tells you what positions each team has drafted -- so we can
sort of predict what the managers ahead of us might be looking for. The MFL grid is just a column format of
picks by manager without positions.
60judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:48 		Ah, Toral, toral, toral

I wouldn't do that! There are lots of good Iggles players out there!
Granted DJax is one of the better ones...
61judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:59 		Heads up.

Loki/Titans just emailed me that he might be (very) late with his next pick -- in
three slots. He was not confident leaving a Q earlier and now does not have web access to
do so anyway!
62Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:59 		Reports > Franchise > Rosters then click on Grid Format

That breaks down people's rosters by position, only it's not going to be in the draft order since it's listed in franchise number order. I think you can actually change this under Commissioner/Franchise Setup > Custom Franchise Order. You'd have to list them in order that the draft is. You can see the franchise numbers under Franchise Setup or by mousing over team links and looking for f=0001 through f=0014. Kind of a pain but it's doable and should turn out to what you want.
63judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:07 		Thanks Bonka -- there it was!
64Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:09 		There's so many options with MFL it can be a bit ridiculous at times. I figured I'd go look to see if there was some option to change it and sure enough, viola. Almost everything is customizable in the end, just have to find out where or how to do it.
65TD
      ID: 259162416
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:26 		DeSean Jackson was 2nd on my queue at 2.03.
66judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:44 		I figured you had him on your list TD! I was just hoping it was not first!
67Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 18:45 		58: LMAO!!!!

FWIW, I'm not a fan of this bonzai addition at this point. Making it very difficult to try and figure out a strategy early on.
68judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 20:33 		Ref -- That's one of the reasons I chose a middle slot -- less difference from the regular draft.
69holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 22:31 		I swear people are conspiring to make sure I don't draft a quarterback. Ridiculous.
70loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 22:47 		I was able to get home earlier than I thought and made my
pick.
71Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 07:14 		Did someone change this into a two-QB league when I wasn't looking?

I'll pick in a few minutes.
72judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 07:55 		T -- I know, the run on QB's has never been this early!

TD had a Q set up, but it must have been emptied as an automatic pick was not made. I will call him around
10 am or so to let him know it is his turn -- although he might check in earlier.

We have made great progress and I have little doubt that we will continue untimed. Can't remember if I
mentioned this but if you scroll all the way to the bottom you can see how long each person is taking to make
a pick. It seems to have put in a pause between midnight and 5 am (?).

If you are running a couple hours late, I will send a reminder email... just because I can!
73dpr
      ID: 43622222
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 10:21 		Judy when you get the chance could you switch around the draft grid order per post 62. This would really help figure out the needs of the teams around you as the draft moves along.
74Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 10:51 		I set up a queue don't know why it didn't work.
I'll be out for a few hours. Back by @3 MDT.
75judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:04 		#73 Done!
76judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:28 		It looks like the email notification is all (ie. every pick notice) or nothing. I did not sign up for the email as I
plan to either be here to pick manually or set the Q, but I understand that a lot of you are getting lots of
emails...that don't apply to you!

Here's my plan for you:
If I am around and it's been an hour -- I'll send you a friendly email. Hope that is OK.
77judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 16:42 		just heard from nerf -- he's been really busy -- it'll be a coupla hours...
no time to even research a Q.
78Nerfherders
      ID: 310111515
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 19:42 		pick made, sorry for the wait. Ive been brutally busy this weekend.
79loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 21:30 		Pick made
80TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 21:53 		Toral just picked Spiller, who I was targeting for pick 4.03. I will be picking shortly.
81dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 09:03 		I am going to be without internet access from 930-430 EST all days this week. I will try to leave queues when it is possible but sometimes I will imagine we will be too far away. Like today I will not be leaving a queue as I am 15 picks away. Unless things pick up significantly I should not be a huge holdup today.

I apologize in advance for the day where I likely do hold things up.
82Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:35 		I'll be in and out for a little bit yet; then I will be gone for a few hours. I will leave a queue if it gets a little closer, but last time it didn't make my pick.

I freely admit to being an old fuddyduddy that has a tendency to resist change but so far I am not thrilled with this site's draft set up.
83russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:36 		I'm around and I'll make my pick in just a few minutes. Sorry for the holdup.
84Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:17 		I actually enjoy change as it usually makes things better, but I'm still finding the interface trying at times.

Can anyone direct me to the draft grid that has players selected by teams and positions like Kaf had? The draft grid in the link just has what teams picked who but not sorted by position. I really leaned on that later on in the draft in past seasons--though it seemed to get me in trouble a few times too.

85Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 14:38 		I'm out for @5 hrs...I set up a queue for rnd5
86dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 18:50 		I am around so once mjd picks we should make a nice run. Especially is holt is around too.
87holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:26 		I don't like drafting at MFL. Is there some way I can sort drafted players by position? Or get a grid view of some kind. I'm sick of randomly clicking things.
88dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:39 		87 and 84

go to my roster on the left and then choose grid view. It pulls up all teams.
89Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:54 		You can view players drafted by position right on the draft report page. There's drop down boxes near the top to select position + franchise. Can select 1 or both.
90Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:53 		88: perfect, that's what I wanted.

I know the rationales aren't in yet, but let me just say that this is the most confusing draft I can remember being in. I really can't say more. Should just wait until the draft is over...

91judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:59 		oops -- messed up that round 6 pick. I had a meeting tonight and did not expect us to get to round 6.
Stuck the Iggles DST in the Q just for laughs (which are now on me) and discovered much to my chagrin
that I cannot draft from either my iPhone or iPad so I could not change it. Phooey. At least they are
ranked #1 or 2.

Bummer. I could draft from Kafenetid...

Now I have to catch up -- although none of the rest of my round 5 Q players were taken??? What does
THAT mean?
92judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 22:00 		Rationale page for #1-5 will be up tonight -- in about a hour -- I
want to do mine as an example.
93mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 22:22 		As we're still on the learning curve of the new system, I'm cool
with Judy changing her pick if no one objects.
94judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 22:29 		Here is the link for the rationales #1 -5.

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?
board=footst&thread=999#1282620494

Pretty link please...
95judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 22:31 		No special treatment for the commish.
I'll live with it. It's not like I drafted a crappy DST -- besides they are my Iggles...
96Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 23:27 		Pretty link to Rationales 1- 5
97Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:34 		I am aware I am up. Should pick really soon.
98holt
      ID: 137182412
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:18 		Have to say that I strongly prefer the draft peek feature of kafenatid over what is available to us now. Much easier on the eyes, easier to navigate. I know that all of the info that I want is available to me through MFL. It just doesn't feel comfortable at all.
99russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:22 		Just my $.02 on MFL. I agree with what most have said. I don't really care for it. Maybe it has all of the capabilities of Kafenatid, but kafenatid was easy. And I'm interested in playing fantasy football, not learning new software. I'm doing everything on paper this year.
100TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:13 		The biggest problem I have with MFL draft is that players are not removed from Q's or draft lists when they are drafted.

Navigation is somewhat difficult, but I can deal with that.
101Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:29 		Agreed TD,I'm just waiting to remove a player I need to draft....and to top things off sounds like about the time I was drafting Sidney Rice; he was heading to surgery and will miss half the season. And of course I have Farve as my QB :-)

I love this game....
102judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:52 		Yeah -- sorry about that Slow --read it this am. I had him last year and he was awesome What's with
these guys with injuries (Farve, Rice) waiting until pre season or in season to get fixed up? That's
what the off season is for -- to get healed.

Sheesh.
103judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:56 		Fred is totally reworking Kafenatid (it'll probably have a new name too) for the baseball season.
He posted a thread and we chimed in with features that we wanted. It is here if you want to see
the suggestions that were made:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=base&thread=20012&last=1269711862

I would prefer Kafenatid for sure -- esp since I can draft from my iPhone and iPad which I
discovered I cannot do on MFL. it kinda ties you to a "real" computer to move forward. I also
miss being able to turn my Q on and off, but I will say the automatic pick feature is really nice.
104Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:07 		Chiming in from AAA#1, Kafenatid is the way to go IMO but so far the way the queues are picked on MFL and the way the commish tools work for drafting are nicer. You can actually add a queue for a person, so if someone is away from a computer but knows what kind of a queue they want, you can add it for them.
105Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:13 		With that said I feel a little dirty having a RIFC league that's not using Kafenatid. I'm sure KKB isn't enjoying it :P
107holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 19:19 		Sorry - didn't realize I was up. Judy just emailed me. Looking things over now.
108judy
      ID: 9729212
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 20:04 		Darn you Holt -- I wanted Caddy next!
109holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 20:19 		Sorry! I wanted more wr's but there were still starting rb's just sitting there. This would be unimaginable a couple years ago. Or even last year, maybe. Had to do it.
110mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:19 		Dang, I figured I'd be up before the end of the night, then BAM,
6 picks in less than 30 minutes.

Don't nod on this MFL format.
111mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:21 		8 picks, over half a round
112judy
      ID: 9729212
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:27 		That would be a feature for Kafenatid -- you give permission to draft your top Q player
when it is your turn...he was going to work on the round specific Q issue.

I will say that it really makes my life easier -- although it seems that I "need" (?) to send out
email reminders -- is MFL not notifying you that it is your turn/
113holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:13 		my cell is 58O 484 35O4 - feel free to text when my picks come up.

sorry again for killing the draft for 3 hrs. I'm always close to a computer, but logging into mfl is a pain in the ass when I'm not home. I don't really check the draft progress during the day.
114holt
      ID: 26702512
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:00 		I'm on my way to the house right now. will pick when i get there.
115judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 14:30 		I left a short Q -- it might not last -- back around 7:30 EDT
116The Beezer
      Dude
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 17:21 		re: 103

Judy, I've had no trouble setting picks from my iPhone on MFL. The tricky part was remembering to click "Add to list" when I am setting a queue and then saving the list. Having said that, they really need to create a good app and I'd be ecstatic.
117Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:33 		just got home and emailed Ref...anyone heard from him today?
118mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:44 		He's been busy with the G24 draft and we blasted through
almost 2 rounds of picks in about 3 hours earlier today.

Was just about to email him myself.
119judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:55 		beezer I'll try again. If I remember do not get the "box" to enter
picks.

Does it work for the iPad?? Anyone know??
120judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 20:02 		once Ref and nerf pick (twice) we have 6 Q picks, then mjd, then me

so beware or be square!!!

Second thread for rationales #6 - 10 is set up.

Pretty link please: http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?
board=footst&thread=1007&last=1282784285
121judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 20:03 		I emailed him too -- I agree with mjd -- G24 opened today...

Also emailed nerf as on deck...
122judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 20:20 		Ref just checked in-- he just got home, is gonna eat dinner and then pick... OKEEDOKEE?
123judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 00:32 		ya know what?

This draft is going way too fast -- there is hardly any time to reflect on the pick you just
made, check out the picks the others made and figure out the trends and who still needs
what before it is your next turn, when it is time to make another pick. I am so behind in
my research because I did not think we would get this far so fast. My draft stinks so
far...

I am retired so I theoretically (but not actually) have the time to do this right; how are
you working folks managing?

MFL has made it too easy to go fast and I am not sure that is a good thing. Shoot, we
could be finished by Sunday at this rate.

Anyone else think so or is it just me?
124mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 01:45 		Absolutely, we could start a week later, easily, and still be done
in time.

I appreciate the break when there is a delay, just to digest what
has just happened so quickly.

No ebb and flow. Hurry up and wait or run like hell to decide
your next pick with little time to think.

Though I like the that we could start later.
125holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 02:44 		too fast. not enough time to digest the players that are going off the board. before I am ever ready to take a close look at things, it's my pick again already. Thankfully I'm drafting on the end!
126Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 06:11 		I like it. Let's get it over by the weekend so we can enjoy the last week beforte labour Day.

Tho it's a bit unusual to wake up at 5 A.M. and think "Oh no, my lists are 2 rounds behind -- and I could be up again!"
127TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 06:37 		I like the faster pace of the draft.
128Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:40 		Link to Rounds 6-10 Rationale Thread
129Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:10 		I'm not a big fan of the speed....if I'm in the office it's not too bad but when I'm out ( like today) I just load a couple of queues up and cross my fingers.

This could be my rationale for about half my picks..." I put 15 guys in my queue and he's the one I got." And I am way behind on my rationales; I'll try to get at least the first batch up tonight.
130judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:33 		I've emailed Loki -- lotsa Q ready once he picks.
131Taxman
      ID: 53382122
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 12:07 		Judy..have you seen the "AVERAGE TIME WAITING FOR PICK TO BE MADE" which is located at the bottom of the draft page (beneath pick 24.14)??

I suggest/hope that you will mail each league manager the chart's location and it's current data. It could significantly motivate some managers to reduce the time the rest of us are now waiting for their picks.

And as the Commish, it is appropriate that you embarase us all with a "less than 1 minute" per waiting time on your picks. Atta girl.
132TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 12:50 		I noticed I was highest in "AVERAGE TIME" a couple of days ago because my long delay during the 1st round. I was motivated to bring my average time down, and now I am no longer the highest.

133judy
      ID: 9729212
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 13:59 		I've emailed Ref...

Q's for 8 of 9 next picks -- up to HOLTS's double turn.
134Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:02 		Let's be honest, this is not a slow draft. Anyone who joins this league should know that going in. BUt this has been insane. Let's tell it how it is for all future drafts.

MIFL AAA2 Judy will feature a Fast Draft with a couple bathroom breaks!

135Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 14:06 		I can tell you, while this is the fastest slow draft Ive ever been in, it's better than a 1-night draft, which is what we do in my 30-team MLB league. 3 hours to get it right or go home.
136judy
      ID: 9729212
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 15:24 		I'm gonna stop sending email reminders --we gotta slow down!!!
137Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 17:02 		Slow down? You guys are crawling compared to AAA #1. We're getting 40-50 picks a day in right now! But you guys are catching RIFC so I guess that's good :P
138Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:15 		To overcome the MFL text message limitation that does not send notifications of queued picks, I have written an independent routine to do this.

The system will check on draft results every 10 minutes. If there have been any new picks, a separate message will be sent for each pick. The message can go to an email address, or to a cell phone as a text message. The text will simply say something of this format:
15.09(Guru) Huggins, Kareem TBB RB [Queue] -Next: Klingons
If it goes to an email address, that text will be in the subject line, and the body of the email will be blank.

If a pick was made from a queue, that will be noted.
If a team name is longer than 12 characters, then it will be truncated after the 12th
The email will come from RIFCAAA2@rotoguru1.com

Note: because the pick appears in the subject line, I actually like this better than the email sent from MFL - since I don't have to open the email to see what the pick(s) were.

If you want to be included on this, send me (to davehall@rotoguru2.com) your league and your email address or your cell# (and cell carrier). It's live!

139mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:37 		137--It's not a race. The goal is to finish on time, and we surely
will.

I don't necessarily mind drafting this fast, but had we known
how fast MFL can be, we could have delayed the start of the
draft, which would have benefitted all Sidney Rice owners.
140Taxman
      ID: 53382122
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 20:06 		We could do the draft later, but injury w/o notice is a part of the fantasy game and is not an issue connected to the speed of a draft.

It's not about finishing on time, but about the number of days your/mine.others lives are interrupted by the draft. The faster we go, the fewer days we are interrupted.

I am compelled by respect to not waste the time of my fellow managers. I know everyone has an opinion and an AH. That's mine (both).
141Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 22:46 		Sorry to hold things up a bit....I thought 2 queues would be plenty, but we stayed in town to have dinner with friendsI guess tomorrow I'll load up 3 or 4 ;-)
142judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 01:13 		A pretty link to rationales 11 -15 please:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1011&lastpost=1282885935
143Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 05:07 		Rationales 11-15.
144russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 10:19 		I'll be out of town from about noon today until about noon tomorrow (saturday). I loaded up 4 Qs and I'll have some access. Hopefully I don't slow this train down.
145loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 13:06 		Ref-I had my eye on Arenas, but was hoping to get him in a later round. Nice pick,
146judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 15:51 		Toral -- nice pickup of L Robinson but at 5 am???
my paper hadn't been delivered and I certainly hadn't turned ESPN on -- in fact, I was not even awake!!
147Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:07 		Well, I had to get up early to prepare the recycling....Was feeling guilty because I went to bed early and couldn't set a queue till I knew who I'd gotten the pick before....Thot I'd check the news before picking....

Early to bed, early to rise and all that.
148TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:36 		Judy,
You must have been watching the Rams/Pats game last night. I never heard of Michael Hoomanawanui, but his name stood out on the draft board so I looked him up.
149Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 16:45 		He was one of my sleeper picks Judy but you got there first. Just like with that kid from Tampa.
150judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:18 		I can be sneaky like that. I actually saw him on the ESPN clips. He is not on any of the cheat sheets I printed out.

I saw that he was a big kid, and with Avery down and Robinson (who would have been my first choice ahead of HOO - man because of longer yardage totals) coming off injury, I figured where else is their security for a rookie QB?

Hopefully, he will use him often at the GL!
151judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:45 		foot -- your D Brown pick is lookin real good right now -- Addai = concussion...
152judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 20:00 		Heads up

Loki/Titans will not be able to pick until later tonight...

So go watch a preseason game and RELAX!
153judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 20:44 		Or maybe work on your rationales...:)

It'll be a coupla hours.
154TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 22:22 		I can't relax watching the Eagles offense playing the way they are tonight.
155loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 22:32 		Sorry for the delay. Picks made.
156judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 00:33 		Yeah -- they stunk it up big time. That McCluster kid is something else -- reminds me of the young Sproles with his quick feet and change of direction, plus he is little so ya can't see him...

I had him on my list for R16, but Holt took him.
157judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 00:48 		Pretty links needed please:

Rationales 16 - 20:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1014&lastpost=1282970773

Rationales 21 - 24:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1015&lastpost=1282970871
158TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 10:26 		Judy,
I was considering picking Akers with 20.3. He should have a good season with the Eagles red-zone problems.
159judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 11:49 		TD --

I was crossing my fingers that you would not take him -- wondering if I shoulda used the #19 on him and then the #20 in a DB - with Mikell and all his tackles and a relative unknown to non Iggles fans.

I agree about the red zone issues -- that seems like it is gonna be a major problem again this year. I sure do hope that DJax is OK -- the paper is saying 10 days for that type of injury. Without him, my WR/TE are weak. (except for Finley).

My team is turing into Eagles lite...
160judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 11:51 		Ref is at a soccer game so his pick will be a coupla housr away.

Go watch the LL World series semis on ABC at 1 and 4 pm EDT. That's some fun baseball.
161russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 15:51 		Sorry for the delay. I just got back and I'm updating my lists then my pick will come. Just a few minutes.
162russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 12:13 		ugh, sorry again for the slow pick. The speed of this draft makes it so that you can't get behind late.
163judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 13:07 		russelldl --

Nice 23.02 pick -- I think he will be the one Favre targets the most after Harvin. He is a bit sturdier too.
164russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 14:08 		Thanks, I think its a crap shoot with the MIN WRs so I figured I'd lay my money down on one of them.
165judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:08 		HOLT -- 8 WR???
166holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:31 		Yeah, only Cribbs and Ward are "sure" things. The other six, who knows? The more the merrier.
167Slowhand
      SuperDude
      ID: 056744223
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 18:06 		That's always kind of been my philosophy with RBs.
168judy
      ID: 9729212
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 18:19 		Re: 166

add McCluster -- you gotta find a use for him somewhere...
169judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 22:05 		I've emailed coldwater -- I think he is on the left cost...

Apparently once the draft is completed there is a "draft recap" link that appears at the top of the draft page next to the "display" line.

From DaBomb: MFL has a "draft recap" where they give draft grades. It's interesting but does need work as I don't think one of their main draft grading criteria (ADP) includes return yards. Also, they penalize teams for not being able to field a full lineup every week (due to the bye weeks of defenses and kickers if one did not draft a backup).
170judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 22:20 		If you want to have some fun, go to the site that compares the RIFC drafts, click on the RIFC #1 and read the draft recap. it's pretty hysterical especially the first sentence which summarizes the draft with words like:

impressive, formidable down to adequate, unremarkable all the way to unfortunate, rotten, bad, and poor.

Since a lot is based upon their ADP and where you selected players, I fully expect to have a mediocre or less rating, since at least one of the guys I drafted was not even on their ADP list -- the Hoo-man TE from STL.

We shall see.
171holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 00:17 		where are you seeing that stuff Judy?
172holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 00:53 		never mind, I see it. it's available when the draft is complete.
173judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 09:17 		Who will Loki/Titans pick for Mr. Irrelevant????

The suspense builds...
174judy
      ID: 9729212
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 13:12 		Here's my draft recap -- I come in at #14!

After such a pathetic draft grade, coach judy is motivated to prove to the league that their picks will overachieve and bring home the trophy.

Love this: They obviously do not know the kid:

GhostWood made their worst pick of the draft in round 9, selecting Brandon Graham with the 121st pick of the draft, as compared to the 336th spot he should have been selected in, according to ADP rankings. "His attitude is a question mark," GhostWood coach judy said.
175TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 13:32 		If Graham's attitude is a question mark, I wonder what they would have said if anyone had drafted Fat Albert.
176Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 14:12 		Coach Ref had a adequate draft in the recent 2010 RIFC 2010 AAA#2/Judy draft. Their Ref franchise came away with the number 9 ranked draft (out of 14) in the league based on analysis by MyFantasyLeague.com.

Ref made their best pick of the draft in round 4, selecting Steve Smith with the 53rd pick of the draft, as compared to the 39th spot he should have been selected in, according to ADP rankings. "He's a youngster who bears watching," Ref coach Ref said.

Ref made their worst pick of the draft in round 9, selecting Leon Washington with the 116th pick of the draft, as compared to the 174th spot he should have been selected in, according to ADP rankings. "He's a project," Ref coach Ref said.

Starting in week 4, Ref won't be able to submit a full lineup, due to having 1 place kicker on bye.

With a little bit of work on the waiver wire this season, or a few strategic trades, coach Ref should be able to turn their 9th ranked draft effort into a championship fantasy team this year.
177Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 14:35 		Too bad their ignoring returns made their assessments worthless. Leon Washington was one of the best picks of the whole draft.
178judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 15:39 		Isn't the RIFC recap a hoot? I mean, ignoring Brees, P Thomas, A Foster, D Jax and Finley just because I took Graham a little early?? I do not think they value IDP's at all.

Ok -- back to business:
first of all thanks to everyone for the great job keeping us up to date on the draft timing. If you look at the average times/pick, we were awesome -- who needs a clock??

NEXT STEPS
1) Finish up your draft rationales.

2) I will open up a Draft Recap thread so you can comment on your draft and those of others and make predictions.

3) I will open up the in season thread. Here is where we trade ideas, dialogue and make all kinds of remarks about the season as it progresses. To me, this is one of the really fun parts of RIFC. I am especially active on Sundays as the games are in progress. Last year we had over 750 entries (most were mine -- on Sundays) For example, I learned that a play Eagles fans call "The Miracle in the Meadowlands" is referred to by Jints fans as "The Fumble".

I am looking forward to a fun season with y'all.
179Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 16:29 		What I find interesting is in one breath I'm the 9th best team and in another I should be able to turn this team into a championship run.
180dpr
      ID: 40781923
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 17:43 		the mfl analysis looks pretty good to me.
181judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 18:33 		Hey ref -- reading the rationales -- looks like you and I are both thin during week 8 -- wonder if we play each other...
182holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:58 		HOLT has the dubious distinction of making the worst pick of the entire draft, selecting Josh Cribbs in round 5 with the 70th pick of the draft, long before the 199th spot he should have been selected in, according to ADP rankings. "His attitude is a question mark," HOLT coach holt said.
183holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 19:59 		Oh, and I know I play ref wk 8. I checked yesterday.
184judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:21 		A pretty link for the draft recap thread please:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1020&lastpost=1283214050
185Toral
      ID: 377501519
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 20:23 		Draft Recap Thread
186loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 21:24 		Holt-You have beaten me in RIBC and DD. I plan on retribution in RIFC AAA #2.
187TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 09:32 		What is the league policy on preseason waivers?
188russelldl
      ID: 333242520
      Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 18:04 		I believe the policy is to do one round of waiver requests prior to the start of week 1.
189dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 18:48 		Am I correct that they reset after week one so there is no reason to save your priority?

If you look at the calendar on the site you can see that waivers are thru monday when normal free agent grabs begin.
190judy
      ID: 9729212
      Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 18:51 		Yes, -- the first round of waivers is reverse draft order. After that, it is reset each week (by me) based on standings. -- I think it is the reverse... I'll need to check. After week six, it is set and just rolls for the rest of the season.

You can see the information on the calendar link.
191judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Sat, Sep 04, 2010, 12:44 		Here is the link for the in season discussions:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1026&lastpost=1283618519

Would someone please pretty it up?

All discussions/ questions should go there now.

Thanks.
192 Allayna
      ID: 3674731
      Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 02:47 		Haha. I woke up down today. You've cheeerd me up!
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