Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Thu, May 20, 2004, 22:02
- Didn't give Dupree points when they showed him just before commercial backstage. He was just walking to the ring and never spoke in the 10 seconds he was on camera.
- Gave Kidman and Akio 5 points for getting pounded by Mordechai. I don't think the match ever started so it can't be a No Contest. Mordechai also got 5 for that piece.
- Did not give 2 points to Bradsahw for being shown getting his blood pressure checked. He said nothing and cut no promo. He did get 2 for the promo about his head getting cut and needing stitches.
- Cena did not have a prematch rap.
- Gave Cena 10 for keeping his belt. I assume keeping it while losing via countout still counts as a title defense.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118 Fri, May 21, 2004, 07:17
Bradshaw definitely deserves those two points for getting his blood pressure checked.
The Bell might have rung for Akio Vs Kidman. If so, thats 10 points each for them.
Haas and Rico beat FBI in a non-title match. If those 5 points each for them are for title defenses, the shouldn't apply.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118 Fri, May 21, 2004, 07:28
And again, with Dupree, in seasons past I believe we always scored anyone who was the focal point of a backstage camera shot, even if nothing was said. I think an example used once in the past was a scene where Trish Stratus was lacing up her boots right before a match. I think Dupree gets an extra two points also.
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Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Fri, May 21, 2004, 08:40
I thought the debate on backstage ended with us concluding they had to actually do something. Just being there didn't give them points. I guess whatever we decide covers both Bradshaw and Dupree.
The bell ringing for Akio/Kidman I can't confirm at all. If anyone taped it that's probably the only way to know for sure.
And the non-title I can't confirm either. Neither site I check for recaps mentions it one way or the other. So we need video on that too.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Fri, May 21, 2004, 09:09
I'm certain that Haas/Rico vs FBI was non-title. PWScoops usually has pretty thorough recaps, I'll check it shortly about Akio vs Kidman.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 1629107 Fri, May 21, 2004, 09:31
PWScoops has this: Billy Kidman and Akio were in the midst of a match when Mordecai came to the ring and beat both of them up.
That would seem to indicate that the bell had rang.Here's what lordsofpain.net has: Match 2: Billy Kidman vs. Akio
There was no match, because Mordecai appeared and destroyed both Akio & Kidman. I'm still not sold on the whole Mordecai character, but I promised that I would give it a chance until I see how he stands up in a long match situation.
Winner: No Contest
Saying that there was no match and then calling it a no contest is a contradiction. I'm really not sure if the bell rang. They were circling each other in the ring when Mordechi's music hit.
Given that we can't confirm it, I guess we should just leave it as it was originally scored?
Re the Bradshaw backstage stuff, what I think we agreed on was that a wrestler had to be a primary part of the scene in order to get points for it. If the camera was specifically on Bradshaw while he gets his bp taken, we give him the points. If he's getting his bp taken in the background while something else happens in the 'primary' foreground, Bradshaw gets no points.
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Species Leader
ID: 7724916 Fri, May 21, 2004, 11:27
I watched the Akio/Kidman beginning - I concur with MITH that they started to circle around in the ring when Mordecai's music hit. I sincerely believe there was no bell. Side note: Cole sounded pretty lame trying to act surprised the Mordecai showed up.
I also agree JBL gets 2 for the bp getting checked. When you are the primary focus of a backstage camera shot, I think you get the points. Let's say Booker T was shown waiting in line to see the Dr. next while JBL was getting his bp checked, Booker falls into the "he was in the background and didn't say anything" mold. To that end, Dupree gets "I'm trying to look tough while I walk backstage" points.
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Great One@ Work
ID: 40150137 Fri, May 21, 2004, 13:42
Dupree and JBL earned the points. They did "say something" whether they opened their mouth or not and were the focal point of the scenes.
I agree that warrants points in those two situations.