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Subject: American Idol S5
Posted by: ChicagoTRS
- [531551213] Thu, Feb 23, 2006, 00:29
Anyone watching this season?
Who are your favorites?
I think it is setting up for a very good season with ~8 very soild contenders... |
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| 180 | ukula
ID: 394151214
Fri, May 12, 2006, 17:02
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According to D.I. Taylor Hicks has been the top vote-getter every single week. I guess that makes sense since he's never been in the bottom three. Looks like Taylor in a landslide. On the Idol website Taylor has 579,000 posts, Eliott has 188,000, and Katherine 118,000. I didn't realize Taylor was so popular.....
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| 181 | Uptown Bombers
ID: 35616416
Fri, May 12, 2006, 17:57
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Rumors of Chris Daughtry being the new front man for Fuel heating up. His "Hemorrhage" cover was pretty good.
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| 182 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 12, 2006, 18:04
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I think the rumors are based on the fact they offered him the job on national TV last night. :)
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| 183 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, May 12, 2006, 19:28
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Farn is correct. Here is an article on it:
Chris Daughtry Gets Job Offer From Fuel
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| 184 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, May 12, 2006, 19:41
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From Fuel's website:
http://www.fuelweb.com/
All right. Check it out. Here's the deal.
Normally, obviously, we would never even think about anyone from Am Idol as a singer for Fuel. However, ever since Chris sang Hemorrhage on the show, we began paying attention. Sorry, the show's not my thing, but at least most of the finalist can sing and aren't Britney Spearing it up there. However, Chris in my opinion has carried himself well on the show and has stayed true to his rock side, which is a serious credit to him considering the format. We have found some great guys through the audition process and in fact, were already headed in other directions when Chris unexpectedly got voted off the show. The phones started ringing. So now what? I think anyone would say that we would at least have to entertain the idea of Chris and Fuel. The websites have been flooded with support for the idea ever since he sang Hemorrhage from most of you. So that is what we are doing. We are entertaining the idea and the offer to Chris was that we would be willing to entertain him as an option. However, there is a lot to discuss and be decided. Is it right for us? Would it be the right thing for Chris? Would he even be able to get out of the contractual obligations to Am Idol? Would we be able to get things squared with Sony? So nothing is cut and dry, even if both camps thought it was right thing to do, it still might be impossible to work out all the details. Chris and I have discussed the possibility before and we are still entertaining the idea. Either way, never fear, we are coming with a great lead singer very soon who we are very excited about and rolling out a record this year.
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| 185 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, May 16, 2006, 15:18
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I'm not an Idol fan but I loved this NY Post column.
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| 186 | Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Tue, May 16, 2006, 18:17
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Thanks, MITH -- great read
Don
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| 187 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, May 16, 2006, 18:26
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That was a good read. I do think getting a boatload of fanatics who send 2000 text messages helps too...lol
The big fan base that would enjoy the type of music Chris sings, isn't watching American Idol. Check this link out Radio interview
It's a radio interview Chris had yesterday with Scott and Todd on WPLJ 95.5 in New York. The coolest part is when he chats with Rob Thomas of Matchbox 20.
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| 188 | katietx
ID: 10415920
Tue, May 16, 2006, 21:02
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Taylor kicked major butt tonight.
IMO a real toss-up whether Katherine or Elliot go.
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| 189 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, May 17, 2006, 11:57
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For those (like me) whose kids are begging to see the 2006 Idol's Summer Tour, and want to get a jump on the masses who will be buying tickets in the public sale of tickets this Saturday:
pre sale information courtesy of Pop Tarts
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| 190 | KnicksFan
ID: 6428719
Wed, May 17, 2006, 18:44
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Sure Jeff, it's your kids that wanna go...sure.
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| 191 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, May 18, 2006, 00:18
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Good read MITH.
I think Elliott was better than Kat except for one of her songs. Taylor was very good. I actually like two of Kat's songs but liked all three of Taylors and Elliotts. If I would have voted, I'd have voted for Elliott. I knew Elliott was gone tonight as I saw the zabasearch results, but I think Simon hurt him even more by saying he was gone and that Kat would go through based on HIS song choice for her to sing. She nailed it but there is almost no way she's going to beat Taylor unless he has a breakdown.
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| 192 | Khahan
ID: 3442127
Thu, May 18, 2006, 12:39
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Ref,
I don't know how you can say there is almost no way she'll win. Did you see the voting results they aired?
All 3 of them had 33% of the votes. It came down to tenths of a percent. And, I think Katherine will pick up more of Elliott's voters than Taylor will.
I'd put this at even money. If you want a definitive answer, I'd say Taylor, but not by much.
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| 193 | weykool
ID: 44211612
Thu, May 18, 2006, 16:30
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I would think that those who voted for Elliot would be more likely to vote for Kat.
If you look at the results in post 173 there was an even split when there were 4 left and Chris' vote were evenly split this last week.
One thing I hear most Elliot supporters saying is how they like his voice.
If it is voice you want then Kat wins that hands down over Taylor.
Taylor is a "fun" entertainer to watch.....I just dont think of "fun" when I think of Elliot.
My guess is Kat wins 50.25% to 49.75% in one of the closest finals yet.
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| 194 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Thu, May 18, 2006, 17:26
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Kat winning, would make her far and away the worst winner in the show's history.
Kat coming in second place, would make her neck and neck with Justin Guarini, as the worst second place performer in the show's history.
she is not a good singer, as she misses notes all the freakin' time. she plays a great vamp, has some fantastic stripper moves, and will probably end up in The Surreal World in a few years.
that's it.
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| 195 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, May 18, 2006, 19:26
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Kat winning, would make her far and away the worst winner in the show's history.
Regardless of who wins, I think they will be the worst winner so far. Simon has said this a dozen times after Taylor performs and I agree, Taylor is more suited to play in a bar or karaoke. I know that I am tired of his begging for votes routine with the whole "Soul Patrol" bit. I am tired of the camera switching to Kat's Dad everytime she sings too.
Chris goes on to sell more albums in the next two years than all the rest of them combined, ever.
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| 196 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, May 18, 2006, 20:10
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Far and away the worst? I dunno about that at all. I like Kat's voice sometimes. I can't stand Fantasia. In fact, she is the only Idol I didn't predict to win way before it happened until this year. I picked the 4th place girl that year LaToya London just like I picked Chris (another 4th place finisher) this year. I guess it's either 1st or 4th for me!
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| 197 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, May 18, 2006, 20:28
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That figures, Ref is to blame for Chris getting voted off. Thanks a lot, man.
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| 198 | Skidazl
ID: 564201822
Thu, May 18, 2006, 23:28
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I agree, I can't stand Fantasia. I wasn't watching yet back then but I will never understand how she won...
Kat would definitely not be the worst ever "winner". But I do feel with Chris gone, the best is not going to win this time regardless.
As far as Elliot goes, yes he does have a good voice, but physically, he is not near as marketable as the other 2 left. And I feel that when it gets down to this point, the show producers make sure they get somebody that is going to be marketable.
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| 199 | Tree
ID: 1445195
Fri, May 19, 2006, 06:52
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I can't stand Fantasia. In fact, she is the only Idol I didn't predict to win way before it happened until this year.
Fantasia is an amazing singer who's voice never faltered. in fact, she set the bar for the greatest performance in Idol history, and her rendition of "Summertime" will be *very* difficult to top.
last season, and this, have really been disappointing in the AI franchise. Sarah Underwood is no great shakes, but talentwise, she's miles ahead of Kat Screech...
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| 200 | Farn
ID: 334151712
Fri, May 19, 2006, 08:49
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Sarah Underwood is no great shakes, but talentwise, she's miles ahead of Kat Screech...
Yeah, but Carrie Underwood's pretty good as far as country music is concerned.
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| 201 | katietx
ID: 10415920
Fri, May 19, 2006, 10:41
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Kat over sings, over acts and I think is more ditzy than Pickler. She whined when Randy told her Clive's pick wasn't the best song for her. "I didn't pick it!" Puuuulease! You screwed up the words, off key in the middle and didn't bring your game. So, of course, blame someone else.
Taylor isn't near as marketable as Kat, but by far has the better voice. His dancing (if that can be called dancing) gets on my nerves.
Chris will indeed outsell the winner. As I believe Clay has outsold Reuben (not totally sure on this one).
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| 202 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, May 19, 2006, 10:59
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Sarah Underwood is no great shakes, but talentwise, she's miles ahead of Kat Screech...
Yeah, but Carrie Underwood's pretty good as far as country music is concerned.
shows you how memorable she is...can't even get her name right...
Taylor isn't near as marketable as Kat, but by far has the better voice. His dancing (if that can be called dancing) gets on my nerves.
i disagree, i think Taylor is extremely marketable. very much in the billy joel vein.
As I believe Clay has outsold Reuben (not totally sure on this one).
that is correct. just going album vs. album, Clay has outsold Ruben by about a million copies. damned shame too, since Ruben is far and away the better singer of the two.
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| 203 | weykool
ID: 44211612
Fri, May 19, 2006, 12:08
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Clay has outsold Rueben beacase Rueben has chosen to sing gospel.
If you choose a smaller market...you wont sell as many copies.
Underwood has chosen country....again not the same size market as pop.
Many of her songs will be crossover songs so she will do OK.
If the judges make the point that she missed some words or she was off-key then fine.
I think Kat was 100% justified with her great comeback to...."I dont think it was the right song for you".
Kudos to Kat for the quick retort.
I gave a couple extra votes to her that week just because of that.
The same thing happened to Taylor the week before when Simon said he was a cheap Elvis impersonation.
What do you expect???....."I want you to sing an Elvis song....but dont you dare try to sound like Elvis".
Kat's biggest hurdle will be to get votes from the women who are threatened by her beauty and talent.
As for the worst singer.....Fatasia by a mile....Madisa is twice the singer Fantasia is.
Fantasia would have been lucky to make the final 12 in this years competition.
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| 204 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Fri, May 19, 2006, 12:13
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"I dont think it was the right song for you".
What was the comeback?
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| 205 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, May 19, 2006, 12:28
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Clay has outsold Rueben beacase Ruben has chosen to sing gospel.
both of their first albums were pop-oriented. Clay outsold Ruben by just under a million copies. i wasn't looking at singles, or anything other than the first album.
Underwood has chosen country....again not the same size market as pop.
first off, let's be accurate with our comments here.
Underwood's CD has scanned 2.8 million copies, despite being out only about 6 months.
that makes her the second best selling American Idol graduate ever, behind only Kelly Clarkson. yep, Underwood has even out sold good ol' Clay, despite having her CD enter the market TWO YEARS LATER.
Clarkson, is far and away the champ. her first record scanned 2.5 million copies. good enough for 4th place. but her second record has scanned 5.2 million - quintuple platinum, and halfway to Diamond status - which is quite rarified air.
interesting to note that Clarkson's 5 million selling CD was the first where she "broke away" from the AI franchise. she wrote some songs herself, and had more input.
But Underwood may very well compete with her over the long haul. she's got a shot - her second record will probably dictate her fate.
also, being overlooked is Josh Gracin. he didn't win, and i don't even think he was top 5, but he has sold nearly 700,000 copies of his DVD on a very tiny label. he's had some strong singles, and if ends up on a major label with some serious money behind him, he could become a big star in the country world, but again, time will tell.
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| 206 | weykool
ID: 44211612
Fri, May 19, 2006, 16:35
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PD:
The comeback was "I didnt pick it".
The first songs were chosen by Clive Davis.
Song #2 was chosen by the judges.
Song #3 the Idols picked.
Her comeback was just a defensive reaction the the unwarranted criticism.
I was an Underwood supporter so I'm glad to see her album doing well.
It has some cross over songs so it will get some sells from the pop market.
But it is still being reported as "a country album".
It will be interesting to see if she can make the transition from just a singer to writer/creator.
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| 207 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, May 19, 2006, 22:34
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Tree: Fantasia's version of Summertime, was indeed fantastic. In fact, it won her the idol. But, if you recall, she had been doing horrible at times before that and was in the final 2 at least once and the bottom three at least a couple of times before that. Once the best singer came in 4th, I was resigned to the fact that she was going to win it. However, I don't think she was very good overall. Could be that she does well in her niche and didn't do well in all the different styles and that's fine. Could be that I don't like her niche like others, and that's fine too. But that's also why it may be a tougher sell for a rocker to win. But Carrie won with her country singing--but did well other areas too. I think her music will go pop and crossover as well.
What is the poop on Clarkson. I really like her music. I know she left the Idol label, but I heard they still get royalties from her. For how long? How does that work?
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| 208 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, May 19, 2006, 22:57
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IIRC, they said on the last Idol that Kelly Clarkson has sold over 11 million copies of her 2 albums and that all idols together had sold over 33 million copies. I alreaded deleted it, so can't go back to verify but I believe that is what I heard. Underwood and Aiken were around 3 million with nobody else over over 3 million
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| 209 | Tree
ID: 51429205
Sat, May 20, 2006, 07:18
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What is the poop on Clarkson. I really like her music. I know she left the Idol label, but I heard they still get royalties from her. For how long? How does that work?
i don't quite know how the deals are structured, but the AI people are usually *heavily* involved in the first album, and less so in the second album. i believe the winner's contract is for one album, and that's part of the reason. i'm sure it played a role in why Justin Guarini no longer has a record deal, as his first record sold "only" about 150,000 copies.
Once free of the reigns of AI, there's a bit more freedom for the artist - hence, why Ruben did more of a gospel record the second time around, and why Clarkson did more of a rock record - and make no bones about it - while poppy, it's definitely a rock record, and it better suits her voice and talents.
IIRC, they said on the last Idol that Kelly Clarkson has sold over 11 million copies of her 2 albums and that all idols together had sold over 33 million copies. I alreaded deleted it, so can't go back to verify but I believe that is what I heard. Underwood and Aiken were around 3 million with nobody else over over 3 million
they may be talking about overall sales, including singles, holiday records, AI Compilation albums, etc etc.
the numbers i made in post 25 were accurate as of the time i posted them. Clarkson has sold 8.8 million copies of her 2 full lengths, Underwood is at 2.8 for her debut, and Aiken is at 2.7, although his christmas album also sold over a million copies.
i'll have to check on soundscan when i get back to the office, although finding the total of ALL the AI alum won't be easy, because i sure as heck can't remember everyone who competed on the show, and a LOT of them got record deals.
just doing some numbers in my head though, taking out Clarkson, Guarini, Studdard, Aiken, Fantasia, Gracin, Bice, and Underwood - who i believe to have the top 8 in sales, you lose about 20 million in album sales.
our own in-house record label put out Jim Veranos' record last year (he was from season one, the kid who's parents were deaf), and he had a radically different look, and sound, than his AI days. he had come out of the closet, looked to be more out of Christopher Street than the AI franchise, and had a dickens of a time selling record. no one was real interested.
i think that's the problem for a lot of these kids - they get their hopes up, and then it gets shattered. look at season one - a veritable who's who of where are they now? Ryan Starr, Nikki McKibbin, and even Tamara Gray, who still may have been the best singer in the history of the show.
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| 210 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, May 20, 2006, 08:58
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I bet you are right and they were talking overall sales. Nice post above. Thanks for sharing the info.
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| 211 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, May 20, 2006, 11:43
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Clive Davis kept referring to units instead of copies. My thought is that might include download sales of the album and other things. In fact, I've heard "units" used many times over the past year.
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| 212 | Tree
ID: 414262010
Sat, May 20, 2006, 13:05
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Soundscan did recently add digital download to their reporting structure. i'll have to check those as well.
it's all somewhat nebulus anyway, as what is reported are not sales, but rather, "scans"...you have to pay to report to soundscan. since not everyone pays, certain stores are weighted differently.
you buy from wal-mart, and one sale=one scan. you buy from independant record store on long island, one sale may equal eight scans.
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| 213 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 434262322
Tue, May 23, 2006, 23:38
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Surprised nobody has commented on tonight's show yet. Seems to me that Taylor Hicks was far superior to Kat and as such, will be crowned the new American Idol tommorrow night.
Gotta say though that after all the interviews that the judges and producers went through----these two were the best we can get????
Admittedly, Chris, in my mind anyway, was still THE best Idol this year but I digress.
Congrats to Taylor and his Soul Patrol!
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| 214 | katietx
ID: 554352217
Wed, May 24, 2006, 00:46
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I agree JB...Taylor was definitely the winner tonight.
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| 215 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, May 24, 2006, 01:23
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Wow, I disagree with you both. I enjoyed all of Kat's songs. Taylor's first song was good, but the last two were horrible. I know it is hard to compare two singers with such different styles, but she has so much more range and ability. He will probably win it all and that is almost criminal. The judges were killing Kat. I have no idea why they would give such negative comments on the final show unless they were trying to sway votes. Paula gives Kat evil glares too. That freaks me out a little.
My 3 favorite reasons Idol is done for this season:
#3 I no longer have to hear Randy "Boo" when Simon is announced at the beginning of the show. (Was glad to see him refrain tonight)
#2 I won't have to watch 37 screen shots checking to see if Kat's Dad is crying.
#1 I will never again have to hear Taylor repeat "Soul Patrol" while pumping his fist and begging for votes.
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| 216 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 46441192
Wed, May 24, 2006, 02:32
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DialIdol.com predictions
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| 217 | Tree
ID: 2848245
Wed, May 24, 2006, 06:16
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Kat was terrible. i mean, really terrible. this was the first year were neither of the finalists were that good at singing.
that being said, you default to entertainment as your secondary ranking. Taylor is FAR more entertaining, as Kat is like a robot on stage, who seems to be programmed to certain emotions while singing, and she never wavers during that song, be that setting "sultry" or "sweet" or "stripper".
she is just not that good.
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| 218 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 434262322
Wed, May 24, 2006, 06:20
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Wow!!!! According to DialIdol.com, not only was Taylor never in any danger of the bottom three/two, he actually won the voting totals EVERY WEEK once the top twelve were announced.
Complete and utter domination! Soul Patrol rules!
Now how that will translate into actual buys of his upcoming CD, nobody knows yet but apparently he has hit a strong chord with America and is well deserving of the title "American Idol". Well done Taylor!
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| 219 | weykool
ID: 44211612
Wed, May 24, 2006, 12:13
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To say that Taylor won this going away is pure and utter nonsense.
Taylor's 3rd song just about set a record for most notes off-key.
As far as final song go I would easily buy Kat's song but not sure I would buy Taylor's.
I would not be surprised if Taylor wins as the votes have been extremly close all season.
I'm sure there are enough AI fans that wait for what Simon says before they make up their mind and vote accordingly.
Taylor will do fine when it comes to going on tour....he would be fun to see.
Kat will easily sell as many records as Taylor if she is the runner up.
If she is the winner ....no question she will out sell Taylor.
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| 220 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Wed, May 24, 2006, 13:04
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Kat will easily sell as many records as Taylor if she is the runner up.
If she is the winner ....no question she will out sell Taylor.
i am not convinced Kat will even have a second record on a major label.
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| 221 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, May 24, 2006, 13:17
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Looks like Taylor is the American Idol with over 30 million votes. Kat appears to have like 28 million votes.
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| 222 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 434262322
Wed, May 24, 2006, 23:21
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As expected, it's Taylor!!! Congrats Champ!
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| 223 | KnicksFan
ID: 6428719
Thu, May 25, 2006, 23:27
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Agree with Tree. I don't think Kat is talented enough or versatile enough to make it longterm. Tree what company do you work with again?
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| 224 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 434262322
Thu, May 25, 2006, 23:51
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By the way, anybody out there impressed with the array of talent they had--Prince, Blige, Warwick, Bacharach, Braxton, Meat Loaf and even Carrie and Clay?
I thought Braxton looked great but absolutely sounded horrible; Meat Loaf--blah; Prince---couldn't believe he actually made an appearance--wonderfully entertaining.
Thoughts?
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| 225 | Tree
ID: 31434265
Fri, May 26, 2006, 06:40
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Prince---couldn't believe he actually made an appearance--wonderfully entertaining.
saw an interview with Ryan Seacrest yesterday where he said 5 minutes before Prince was to go on, he wasn't in the building.
apparently, he showed up, walked into the building, walked on stage 30 seconds early, did his set, walked out of the building, and left.
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| 226 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 26, 2006, 08:52
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that explains why it looked like Seacrest had no clue Prince was in the building and was going on stage. Seacrest looked as stunned as the crowd was.
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| 227 | Texas Flood
ID: 4905267
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:30
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I've never really watched this show much in the past. I thought I would give it a shot last night because there was nothing much else on TV. My opinion is that this show is a total Crap Fest. It was like watching a train wreck, car accident or a plane crash.
The show featured (and I don't mean to be disrespectfull and AI should be ashamed for exploiting them) the retarded, mentally ill, poor disadvantged and the totally bizarre. It was as if the circus train deposited an entire side show into my living room.
All in very poor taste and some of the worst programing in a sea of total $hit!
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| 228 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:07
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I was subjected to this for the first time last night. I went to a sports bar, and in the middle of my chicken wings, all 10 widescreens flipped over from hoops to the talentless show, and the volume was cranked. Wow.
Those aren't the mentally ill, those are Seattlites after a few months of rain and snow.
How embarrassing.
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| 229 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:57
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yea, Seattle did look like a bunch of talentless goofs last night.
the show over the past two nights has been incredible. the talent pool so far has been very thin.
TF - keep in mind that a lot of the people on that show go there to be seen. some of them are performance artists playing a role in an effort to pull the wool over the judges eyes and get noticed.
yes, last night in particular had a sideshow/train wreck feel. i've been watching AI since the very first episode of the year the goddess that is Kelly Clarkson won, and i agree with Simon, Randy, and Paula that last night's show (Seattle) was probably single worst edition in regards to having real talent.
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