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Subject: Bad Beats
Posted by: louky
- [24193023] Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 18:13
Worst two words in poker.
Just had a brutal one so why not have a bad beat thread?
Was playing a $30.00 3 table tourney and had just made the final table with about 2200 in chips...a little below average, but enough to play and do some damage. I'm on the button and get KK. Blinds are 100/200... all calls or folds to me and I raise to 1000. One caller, flop is 10 J K. The only hand that beats me now is AQ, which is possible, but I still go all in. The guy calls and shows 10 10. Turn is a blank and 10 on the river.
Worst I've had in a while, but wanted to rant about it to get it off my chest. |
| 1 | R
ID: 4510462218
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 06:17
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Louky-
Queen/9 also beats you, although a hand like that isn't reasonable with a large preflop raise. Actually, on second thought, I've seen more disgusting things happen.
Losing with the top set is a bad beat, but the guy with the tens had no option but to call. Alsmost anyone would have done the same. Its the bad beats where someone's stupidity earns them a huge pot that really puts me on tilt.
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| 2 | Shelby
ID: 291062012
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 17:22
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louky- tough break. Although one outers are common enough, 1/45 (turn) + 1/44 (river) = 4.5% chance approx.
Here is a tougher break that happened to me recently. 15/30 holdem:
One limper, I raise to $30 with KQ from sb, only limper calls. Flop comes out KQx, I bet 30, he calls. Turn comes out 8, I bet 30, he raises 60, I raise to 90, he calls. River comes out another 8, I feel the bad beat, I check, he bets, I call. He had K8 for the runner boat.
His chances to win: 2/45 * 1/44 = 0.1% chance
He could also tie with runner AA = 0.1% chance
I believe my math is correct, at least approximately.
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| 3 | TB
ID: 4610412220
Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 01:44
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Just curious, but what are the odds for this hand:
Flop comes out 3-3-7 and I am holding the other two 3's. Next card is a blank and the last card is a 7. Yep, I lost to 4 sevens.
I don't think I have had a winning night since.
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| 4 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 13:52
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Well from that guys perspective he doesn't think he needs an out with 3s full of 7s; however, there is always a 5% chance on the river if you have 2 outs (I believe)...so would that mean this guy had a ~2% chance of hitting his 7??? Not really sure...
THK
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| 5 | APerfect10
ID: 476262718
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 00:49
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I just gave someone one of the worst bad beats I have ever seen. Was playing blinds of $1-$2.
Pre - Flop: Pocket Queens: Raise to $10 and get 4 Callers.
Flop: 2 - 3- 5 Rainbow
I bet $25, 3 guys fold and the last Raises to $50
I figure he is trying to steal with Ace High or mayeb has Jacks, 10s, etc. I re-raise him to $100 but get re-raised to $200. I am worried now, but feel committed, so I push in the extra $100 and the $33 I have left. He calls and shows Ace - 4 for a straight.
Turn: 2, River 2
I end up with 2s full of Queens and beat his straight. That had to sting. Of course, I think justice was done since he called with firggin a-$ off-suit.
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| 6 | louky
ID: 24193023
Wed, Dec 22, 2004, 13:09
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Ok, this isn't a classic bead beat, but it was painful. I've opened an accout at Poker Stars (really like the tournement action there). Anyway I sign up for a $160.00 buy in double shoot out with 81 players, winner gets a seat at the WPT event, 7 days at the Atlantis Hotel, and 1000 bucks spending money.... about a 12K package. The format is 9 at 9 tables, the last standing at each table then move to the same table, and the last left gets the trip. I win the 1st table, an imediatly start thinking about how nice the Bahamas are in Jan. I go to the final table, and out last 4 players in about 45 mins to an hour. I'm 3rd in chips about 2800 I think, the leader is about 4500. I'm in the big blind and get Q 6 off. Flop comes 4 6 Q rainbow. There were no raises preflop, I make a small bet, 3 folds and a raise over the top. I reraise and he puts me all in... I call. He has PP AA, vs my 2 pair. I'm thinking no A or 4, turn is a 3, 1st bullet dodged, the river is another frickin 3. I completly forgot to root against another 3, so sorta blame myself lol.
I did qualify for another chance to get in, playing in a tourney Sunday, with 4 seats up for grabs, probably have to beat out 300 or 400 others, but only spent 9 bucks to get in.
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| 7 | MNG
ID: 52040144
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 05:43
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My worst beat ever. It really makes me question the legitimacy of online gaming. The guy had to know the 62 was coming. Read on and see how ridiculous this is.
***** Hand History for Game 1434658420 *****
30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 8662323) - Fri Jan 14 05:07:39 EST 2005
Table Table 10884 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: curiosity97 (700)
Seat 2: BigAl0623 (835)
Seat 3: bbbbbbb7 (805)
Seat 4: Heidi00 (195)
Seat 5: therizen (1315)
Seat 6: FighterV (1770)
Seat 7: bobbo13 (1075)
Seat 9: viper133 (935)
Seat 10: mbicembruj (370)
mbicembruj posts small blind (15)
curiosity97 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bobbo13 [ Ks, Kd ]
BigAl0623 folds.
bbbbbbb7 folds.
Heidi00 folds.
therizen folds.
FighterV raises (60) to 60
bobbo13 raises (90) to 90
viper133 folds.
mbicembruj calls (75)
curiosity97 folds.
FighterV calls (30)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, 9h, Jc ]
mbicembruj bets (30)
FighterV calls (30)
bobbo13 raises (60) to 60
mbicembruj calls (30)
FighterV calls (30)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2h ]
mbicembruj checks.
FighterV bets (60)
bobbo13 raises (120) to 120
mbicembruj calls (120)
FighterV calls (60)
** Dealing River ** : [ 6s ]
mbicembruj checks.
FighterV bets (60)
bobbo13 raises (120) to 120
mbicembruj folds.
FighterV calls (60)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1080
Board: [ 3d 9h Jc 2h 6s ]
curiosity97 balance 670, lost 30 (folded)
BigAl0623 balance 835, didn't bet (folded)
bbbbbbb7 balance 805, didn't bet (folded)
Heidi00 balance 195, didn't bet (folded)
therizen balance 1315, didn't bet (folded)
FighterV balance 2460, bet 390, collected 1080, net +690 [ 2d 6c ] [ two pairs, sixes and twos -- Jc,6c,6s,2d,2h ]
bobbo13 balance 685, lost 390 [ Ks Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Ks,Kd,Jc,9h,6s ]
viper133 balance 935, didn't bet (folded)
mbicembruj balance 100, lost 270 (folded)
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| 8 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 45022715
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 10:27
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maybe it has something to do with 6-2...I also took my worst beat ever vs 6-2.
NL 2-4 cash game...$390 all-in preflop...my QQ vs loose aggressive players 6-2o. Normally I would not go all-in preflop with QQ but against this particular opponent I figured I would get a call with nearly anything and unfortunately I was right. I think I raised $50 he reraised me to $100 and I put him all-in preflop. In cash games they do not show the cards until after the river. So the flop comes 6-2-10-6-J...I love that flop...imagine my surprise when he flips over 6-2o for a fullhouse. Steamed for a little while after that one...pissed me off more to watch the idiot lose all of my money to the rest of the table within about 15 minutes.
It happens...there are just some terrible players who watch too much TV poker and see the tournament pros playing "any two" and winning. What they fail to realize is these "any two will do" hands are generally at the end of tournaments when the tables are down to 2-3 players when it can be correct to play any two. Also it is TV so these crap card hands make better TV so of course when one of these hands happen of course it will be shown on TV...don't realize there were 100s hands where the pros were playing solid cards that are not shown on TV.
I am pretty sure of the legitimacy of the online game at this point. I figure if it is illegitimate then someone at the site really likes me because I have cashed more than a few big checks.
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| 9 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 10:31
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I don't know, I see it as amateurish play that got rewarded. Looks to me like he was trying to steal the blinds to begin with, got re-raised and, probably without knowing the first thing about pot or implied odds, figured he was "pot committed" at that point. After the flop, it looks like he was trying to represent a big hand, got caught, and just called the extra bet. The turn gave him the smallest piece he could possibly have, but he was still trying to represent his hand (after already showing weakness by just calling after the flop).
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| 10 | MNG
ID: 330251015
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 14:06
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96.9% after the flop and 88% favorite after the turn. It just pisses me off when idiots play stupid hands that should be instant mucks and then get astronomically lucky. I don't know how any one could reasonably call with a six deuce off 10 handed. Well just venting at this point but I'm sure Sludge and especially TRS (losing with queens to the same hand!) know where I'm coming from here.
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| 11 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 15:47
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I feel you. He needs to catch two of the remaining 6's and 2's to make a decent hand OR catch 45. He knows this. If he doesn't, he needs to play slots. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that it's got to be less than a 5% chance to win as it should be obvious he's not chasing you out of the pot. In fact, the BEST he can hope for (assuming as we always do that the cards he needs are live) is a probability of winning (not knowing your hand and assuming that none of his cards will help you) of 2.87% (1.48% to catch two of the remaining 6's and 2's, 1.39% to catch runner 45 --- assuming my calculations are correct).
Even if he put you on top or second pair, his chances of winning are the same (with a 7 kicker offsuit). No way he could put you on bottom pair the way you bet pre-flop.
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| 12 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 14, 2005, 16:01
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Hilarious story passed on by a buddy of mine....
Impromptu house tourney. 8 buddies just get together on the spur of the moment for a NL tourney. Second hand of the tourney my buddy gets Rockets....in late position. Pot is raised to his right, he re-raises, the raiser goes all in and my buddy calls. Raiser flips over pocket Cowboys.....gets a K on the river to knock him out of the tourney.
They all convince him to buy back in (there was no rebuy available, but they all just said "screw it" and let him), so he does. The very next hand, this being the third hand of the NIGHT, he gets AA *again*! Now he's seriously wondering if the dealer is f**king with him, but a stare down of the dealer gives no indication. No raise before he gives a 3X big blind raise. Gets one caller.
Flop comes Q-10-8...my buddy raises, other guy goes all in....my buddy calls. Guy turns over J 9 for the straight and three hands in the guy has already busted out TWICE!
Truly a story for the ages. Hilarious....and yeah, he realizes he gave the guy the chance to catch his hand with his pre-flop bet.
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| 13 | wehkool
ID: 170402622
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 16:18
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Species:
When you get Rockets you want to allow someone to make a hand. What you dont want to do is allow them to make it for free...ie slow play.
A 3x BB bet is about right. I would rather lose to a bad beat than only win the blinds. Your buddy played it right just got unlucky.
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| 14 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 16:49
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I would rather lose to a bad beat than only win the blinds.
You are alone on that one...
THK
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| 15 | weykool
ID: 3052013
Mon, Jan 31, 2005, 21:20
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THK:
What I meant was if your preflop raise is too big then all you will win are the blinds. I would rather take a chance on losing the pot than only win the blinds. Of course the desired result is to win a big pot. The correct play is a 3x-4x BB raise to make any callers pay for the possibilty of winning, while starting with the best hand. I think you knew what I meant, as I have read some of your post and you seemed more intellegent than that.
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| 16 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Mon, Jan 31, 2005, 23:42
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I knew what you meant. Only giving you a hard time...
I hit pocket Aces 2 times in about 15 minutes playing live this weekend. Had a massive card run at one point (about 2 am).
THK
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| 17 | 4ofaKind
ID: 1011201723
Tue, Feb 01, 2005, 16:09
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Played some $1-$2 No-Limit at the Taj in Atlantic City this week. Was up about $200 when A-k got me into toruble twice and was now only up about $50 ($260 in front of me).
I look down an see Pocket Kings. I raise to $25 and get 1 caller. Everyone knew how tight I was playing, so anyone who was caling my raises always had a premium hand. I get a 3rd King on the flop, with no flush draw out and no Ace. I act first and check, and so does the other player. I was surprised since everyone was almost betting everything the whole day. The turn comes and get another King.
So I have an un-beatble hand, but I have no idea how I am goig to get paid since this guy obviously doesn't have A-K. I have to hope he has a PP and will hit a boat on the rover. So I quickly check it again. This time he bets out $20. I figure he is just trying to take down the pot, so I don't want to call to quickly and make it look like I have a hand. I sit there and look at him for a few minutes, try to make it look like I think he's just trying to steal. So I pick up 4 chipa and look at them, say "I don't beleive ya" and throw them in. A 4 hits thr rover, so I figure I should bet enough now to make him have to call. I make it $25 to go. To my surprise, he RAISES me. I got so exicted I call all-in right away (another $160). The guy jumps up in shock and has no idea what to do. He shows me his cards and he has Aces. He keeps muttering that I chcked the flop and didn't look like I wanted to call his turn bet, so he doubts I have a King. He sense he is bear though, and Then he askes if he folds if I will show him my hand. So, I just say "maybe" knowing that there is now a good chance he wil pay me off just to see it. This goes on for like 10 mins, and he finally calls and I double up my $250. SWEEEET!!
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| 18 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Mon, Feb 21, 2005, 10:29
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I defy anyone to top this. Forget that it's low stakes and is a home game. I take that back. The fact that it was a home game makes it worse.
Nickle ante, max bet is $1. Dealer ante. Five players. Call my seat #1. My wife is sitting in #3. (Although this story spans two consecutive sessions, the layout is the same, although the person sitting in #5 was different.) The first half has the guy sitting in #4 calling Mexican Sweat (which I DESPISE). Seat #5 turns over a smallish pair to beat the card turned up. I flip my cards... gee that's a lot of diamonds. After I turn over the 7th card, I'm sitting there with AQ high diamond flush. I bet $1. The asshat in #2 calls (he's a calling station in games like these where he hasn't seen his cards yet), so that was expected. My wife calls (!!!), and #4 folds. Seat #2 turns over his cards and doesn't beat the flush. I bet $1, and my wife CALLS AGAIN (after the first $1, of course I expected it). Turns over a boat.
Fast forward a few weeks. After a couple of failed attempts at finding a good time for poker night, we finally get some folks together last Friday. This time the asshat in Seat #2 calls Mexican Sweat, and turns over like a ten or Jack. My wife turns over a 3 (of hearts, I believe) and a Kc. Check around. Seat #4 turns over a pair of kings. He bets 20 cents. Everyone calls. Seat #5 turns over a pair of aces. Amazingly, she checks, I check, and Seat #2 (who is, at this point, trying to give away his money so he can feel guiltless about leaving) bets 50 cents blind. Everyone calls except for Seat #4 who folds his kings. I turn my cards, and at 6th street I turn over (can you guess?) an AQ high diamond flush. (No chance at a straight flush, so the only thing that 7th street could have done is improve my flush.) I bet $1, and the asshat in #2 calls (of course), but so does my wife! (At this point, I know she's going to call my next bet no matter what.) K3 off, and she already knows that two kings are gone. Seat #2 turns over his cards and flirts with a club flush (note that that's the same suit as the king my wife is holding), but even if he made it, Seat #5 already had the Ac. I bet my last 40 cents, and asshat in Seat #2 (who started the hand with exactly 25 cents more than me) pushes in his last 40 cents, giving it away. My wife calls. At this point, I get up and go to the bathroom, not even wanting to see what she turns over because at this point it's irrelevant to me. I'm pissed either way because she knows better. Of course she turns over 3's over kings. What else could she have possibly had but that?
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