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Subject: American Idol S6
Posted by: Skidazl
- [189142212] Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 16:26
Just wanted to start a new one instead of having to scrool all the way down S5...
So far this season is sucking, but if I remember right, they all kind of do at this point...
The juggling kid was hilarious. what did he expect going in there? |
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| 57 | GoatLocker
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 08:58
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Nice break down TB.
Should be Antonella and Alaina, but agree that it probably won't.
Ditto still too many opportunities for the voting public to dump the wrong bodies.
Thought Gina did good, and don't think she is in trouble this week.
Cliff
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| 58 | Weykool
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 10:12
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Alaina was probably the worst.
Antonella is clearly not up to the competition.
Really liked Gina....always like hearing a heart song when done well.
Lakesha was so-so and you could see that actually singing may be a problem for her.
She has a great stage presence and will sail through to the final 12 and probably final 6.
But Im not ready to hand the title to her just yet.
For me I think Melinda is the current favorite.
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| 59 | ukula
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:54
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The Antonella pictures were nice, especially the wet t-shirt ones. Damn!! I also liked the rose petal picture. C'mon guys, who cares if she not a great singer........ She definitely has a future, it may not be singing, but she'll go far with that figure.
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| 60 | TB
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:30
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Hustler or Playboy?
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| 61 | Tree
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:38
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she's not been in either TB. all over the web.
there are also some photos that are...well....porn...however, they apparently are not her, just a look-a-like.
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| 62 | TB
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 14:42
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I saw the pictures. Ukula said she definitely has a future and I was curious which one he thought she would choose as her future.
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| 63 | ukula
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 15:03
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I could easily see her as a Victoria's Secret Model - she has the look.
Did anyone else find it kind of creepy when Randy said she was drop-dead gorgeous. She's only 19 Randy, what are you, 50?
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| 64 | katietx
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Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 15:48
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Evidently Idol doesn't have any criteria for the contestants other than they can't have been convicted of a felony? Too bad as a lot of young girls will think this is just fine.
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| 65 | Bond, James Bond
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Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 00:59
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Not too displeased with the ousting of Alaina, Leslie, AJ and Nick. Certainly I was wishing for Antonella's dismissal but next week is just as well for me.
Meanwhile, did anybody check out Kellie's Picklers? er, I mean Kellie Pickler? ;)
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| 66 | TB
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Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 01:19
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My son (14) tried to convince me that she had some work done. I think he approved.
I went to youtube trying to get video from last year to compare and ran across this: Bohemian Rhapsody Parody. Funny stuff and great job by that comic.
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| 67 | Uptown Bombers
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Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 01:33
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She def had work done. Seacrest even implied by asking her if she bought anything with the money from her album. When she replied shoes, he asked very coyly, "anything else?"
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| 68 | Weykool
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Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 01:48
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I thought the same thing......much bigger than I remember.
Also the hair and makeup made her look like a 48 year-old has been.
Maybe Spears could help her out with one of the new styles.
Both the female singers were clearly not ready for this competition.
Antonella and Sanjaya should be gone next week .... if there is any justice
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| 69 | Bond, James Bond
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Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 09:14
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LOL Weykool....You know and I know that there will never be total justice at AI. I'm still reeling from last year's ouster of Chris Daughtry---who is still ten times better than that grey-haired crooner Taylor Hicks.
And what about other unjustified dismissals in the past like Tamyra Gray or Frenchie Davis or LaToya London or Mandisa etc.?
Justice? At American Idol? Nope, not anywhere close. But FWIW, I don't think America will let either Antonella nor Sanjaya get anywhere near the top 4 or so. But then again who knows? Remember Diana DeGarmo? ;)
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| 70 | Ref
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Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 20:32
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LaToya London was my only miss thus far. I predicted Daughtry to get runner-up last year.
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| 71 | TB
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Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 23:26
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Probably the single worst night I've watched of Idol. Quick recap:
Good = Blake Lewis
Okay = Chris Sligh & Brandon Rogers
Semi-Crap = Sundance Head & Chris Richardson
Full Crap = Phil Stacey, Jared Cotter, & Sanjaya Malakar
Before tonight's performances, I would have guessed that Brandon Rogers and Jared Cotter would be the two going home based on popularity. Three horrible weeks in a row for Sanjaya might spell his doom. I'll say Malakar and Cotter go home.
Last thought: The only male I want to see make it to the top 6 is Blake.
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| 72 | Kevin
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 00:07
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Has anyone ever thought that the show gets all the votes in but doesn't eliminate anyone that they don't want around. Do they actually post exact totals anywhere that are 100% the actual ones. They may just be keeping Sanjaya and Antonella around for attention they are bringing to the show whether it be people who love watching Sanjaya get trashed (i.e. ME) or the obvious attention Antonella is bringing. Because I can totally understand that if Antonella and Sanjaya didn't actually receive the least votes, they might kick them off anyway because they would most likely get booed off stage during the American Idol tour. They won't likely allow people on the live tour who were consistently trashed by judges after each performance. Just a thought.
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| 73 | Weykool
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 00:09
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My summary:
1. Sucked
2. Sucked
3. Sucked
4. Sucked
5. Sucked
6. Sucked
7. Sucked
8. Sucked
I think Simon was being WAY too generous when he said 3 1/2.
The girls havent even performed yet, but the six who make it will aready be the top 6 out of the final 12.
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| 74 | Bond, James Bond
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 00:18
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UGH!
Please tell me that these are not the best eight males that Idol could find. Utterly contemptible!
Tonight's "performances" were probably the single most disappointing show that I've seen of any Idol episode. Outside of Blake and the two Chris', there is nobody left there that has even a remote chance of competing against the ladies' juggernaut.
I'm at the point now that I'm thinking that the last 6-8 performers left will all be ladies!
Let's just hope the voters get it right and finally dismiss Sanjaya. I don't really care who else goes.
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| 75 | Tree
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 11:05
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i said from the beginning that it would be Blake, Chris, and Chris.
i stand by that.
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| 76 | TB
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 11:39
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Chris R sucks, dude. Weak voice that relies on runs.
Chris S, on the other hand, rocks: http://www.halfpastforever.com/home.html (click on listen to album and you get small sample of each song.
I realized last night that Sundance Head is so friggin nervous when he performs that he is turning in these crappy performances.
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| 77 | Tree
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 11:42
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Chris R sucks, dude. Weak voice that relies on runs.
someone sucking, is not relevant. kellie pickler, carrie underwood, and justin guariani, among others, are proof of that.
i said those will be the final three guys. i stick to it.
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| 78 | TB
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:20
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I think everyone agrees that Chris S and Blake are the two best males and will be the final two guys. The 3rd best male doesn't really matter seeing how he won't be in the top 6 contestants and as far as talent isn't in the top 8. Haven't we already had this discussion, though?
My top 8 are:
Melinda Doolittle
Stephanie Edwards
Lakisha Jones
Blake Lewis
Chris Sligh
Jordin Sparks
Gina Glocksen
Sabrina Sloan
Not necessarily in that order and really unsure whose music I would buy.
I thought Kellie Pickler, Carrie Underwood, and Justin Guariani were all good idol "contestants". Guariani and Pickler probably prove your point, but Underwood had some amazing performances on idol and has the commercial success to back up a popular commercial fanbase. I didn't watch the show before last season so have had to watch performances on youtube or the idol flashback shows.
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| 79 | chode
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 13:57
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Actually Tree, since you're so keen on reminding everybody who your picks were, after the first final 24 show you said Chris R. was one of the "best" singers, not "most likely males to make the finals". Then after the first finals cut, you lumped Sundance in as "close behind".
I agree that last night's show was the single worst Idol episode ever. I thought Blake's performance was very average (but loved that none of the judges had ever heard of 311) ... then everyone else sang, and Blake sounded like gold by comparison. Agree with TB that Sligh and Brandon were the next-best two. Everyone else was horrific. Sundance is terrified of being on stage and it shows. Jared mostly talked his way through his song. Phil is quite annoying and has been bad for some time now. Sanjaya is just pathetic at this point.
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| 80 | Great One
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 14:58
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Anyone know where I can get a list of the songs they sang last night?
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| 81 | TB
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 15:05
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Blake "All Mixed Up" by 311
Sanjaya "Waiting on the World to Change" by John Mayer
Sundance "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam
Chris R "Tonight I Wanna Cry" by Keith Urban
Jared "If You Really Love Me" by Stevie Wonder
Brandon "I Just Want to Celebrate" by Rare Earth
Phil "I Need You" by LeAnn Rimes
Chris S "Wanna Be Loved" by DC Talk
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| 83 | chode
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:19
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Ok, if by "best" you wish to now say you meant "most likely to be voted on favorably by the audience" as opposed to "best performer in a signing competition", I won't bust your balls anymore. Spin it however you wish if it makes you feel better. I always enjoy your revisionist history, regardless of topic. Seeing you get pissy and start name-calling when I call you out is icing on the cake.
I'd suggest you try posting observations/commentary with respect to actual performances on the show instead of reminders to the board on who you "called" as "best" (by whatever definition), as if this were something of a predictions competition ... if I thought there was any way you would or could comply.
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| 85 | chode
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 16:43
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Dream if you wish, but I only call you out on this stuff because around these parts you, far and away, are the most guilty of this sort self-aggrandizing, petulant crap. I only bother responding to the posts that I find especially amusing; I'm sure you offer many more that fit the bill, which I don't comment on. If anyone else came close to spewing the dreck you do, with the frequency you do, feel free to assume I'd call them out too. If you think I'm following you and picking on you, your paranoia is not my concern. I only call 'em like I see 'em.
You've covered your tracks with your ambiguous "best" just fine. I'm always a fan of your "I never said ___" defense. Apparently you'd have people believe you meant "best" in the way I described in post 83? If that's accurate, I say OK.
"Big shot"? I have no idea what that even means.
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| 88 | chode
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 17:07
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I know threads get "wrecked" for you when I happen to call you out for slobbering all over yourself, and you in turn can't help but get hyper-defensive. Sucks for you.
Maybe you didn't read my previous message, but the "best" question I think has been answered (with a chuckle).
Did you even read the second paragraph of my post 83, or were you so filled with anger that you rushed to respond to me? I suggested (and suggest again) we stick to critiques of the performances instead of repeated back-patting, and enjoy discussing the show.
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| 89 | katietx
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 17:27
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Guys...just delete 81-88 - absolutely no contribution to the thread.
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| 90 | Ref
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:18
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For the first time ever I actually voted tonight. My wife and I dislike Antonella so much we voted for who we thought was her competiton for the worst a bunch of times. Because we got in so much, we probably are wasting our time, but Haley, Sabrina and Stephanie are getting the votes that should be going to the best three in Melinda, Lakisha and Gina. (Finally learning their names!)
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| 91 | TB
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 22:52
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The girls outdid the guys once again.
Great: Melinda, Lakisha, and Stephanie
Good: Gina and Jordin
Okay: Sabrina & Haley
Horrible: Antonella.
Not much to say about Melinda, Lakisha, and Stephanie. All three were head and shoulders above the males. I liked what Gina tried to do, but I am a pretty huge Evanescence fan so could be overly critcial. I am a rocker, though, so she's high on my list of favorites. Jordin did a little rockin' tonight herself. Odd song choice for her. She has such a huge range I like to see her show it off and this song didn't really do that for her. Sabrina floored me the first week, but has gotten a little worse the last two weeks. More screaming than belting. Haley was very vanilla. Both were still better than all the males except for Blake and Sligh.
I think Antonella and Haley need to go and am pretty sure Haley will be one of them. I just hope we don't see Sabrina leave while Antonella gets to move on.
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| 92 | Ref
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Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 23:31
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Agree TB, but I see Sabrina leaving. She is too much alike a couple of the others who are better. Antonella and Haley should be out but simply by the voting it won't happen. Just hope that Stephanie doesn't get booted as she belongs in the top 12 for sure.
As far as the guys, I also liked Chris Richardson. Throw in the background singer and there's the four that should be in the top 12. Who cares about the other two. They will be gone with a quickness shortly.
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| 93 | Bond, James Bond
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 00:14
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Nice show by the ladies tonight. Especially by the W-O-M-A-N....Melinda Doolittle! The guys are so inferior to these ladies that even pathetic Antonella can sing circles around some of them. Ok, maybe I got carried away just a tad. LOL
Nevertheless, I immensely enjoyed Melinda's, LaKisha's and Stephanie's performances. They are bringing it week after week after week and yes they have the "WOW" factor that the Dawg is looking for.
I thought Sabrina was solid though not spectacular. But she's got some serious pipes and with just the right song, she can be a definite contender to the title.
As much as I really, really dislike Gina (and I really do), I thought she did fairly well tonight. Not such a big fan of a red bra underneath a gray shirt but hey, I've seen worse. ;) It saddens me to say that she does indeed belong in the top 12. But only because..........
Antonella and Haley are so gawdawful! If Idol producers tweak the voting (like I suspect them of doing), it'd be to their advantage to get rid of these wannabe singers right now. If we can get rid of those two tommorrow night along with Sanjaya and whoever else not named Chris or Blake, then I'll be one happy camper!
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| 94 | Weykool
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 08:33
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Based on last nights performance I liked Gina more than Stephanie.
I didnt think Antonella's performance should be classed as horiible.
I thought she did decent last night.
When you compare her with the boys she deserves to be top 12 over a couple of the guys who will make it.
Her problem is when you compare her to the top 6 girls...there is no comparison.
Other than that I agree with TB's assesment.
someone sucking, is not relevant. kellie pickler, carrie underwood, and justin guariani, among others, are proof of that.
Proof of what?
If I am not mistaken Underwood has sold the most records per year compared to any other Idol contestant including Kelly Clarkson.
Justin and Pickler have had a decent amount of success cosidering they didnt win.
Pickler was 6th.
Not sure what your point was but was a very laughable.
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| 95 | Tree
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 09:11
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Proof of what?
If I am not mistaken Underwood has sold the most records per year compared to any other Idol contestant including Kelly Clarkson.
Justin and Pickler have had a decent amount of success cosidering they didnt win.
Pickler was 6th.
Not sure what your point was but was a very laughable.
you made my point. someone can suck, and still be VERY popular, such as Underwood, who has some of the most awful, banal, tripe on radio.
1. Pickler is the only one you're even remotely on. relatively speaking, she's done ok, having shipped 453,918 units since her record came out over four months ago. she'll *probably* hit gold, but it's a long climb, and unless she has another break out single, platinum is out of reach.
if her sales don't double for her next record, she's done in the business.
conversely, Josh Gracin - the fourth place finisher in the second season of AI, who recorded for a pretty tiny little label, has quietly gone Gold with his debut, shipping 686,085 units.
there was almost no marketing for that record, so he's got a very bright future.
2. Guarini's sales were awful. it's been nearly four years since his *only* record came out, and he shipped 142,642 units - the vast majority in the first few weeks of the album being out. his sales were so poor, he was dropped from the label, and hasn't recorded since.
3. Clarkson's debut record shipped 2,621,238 units - double platinum. her most recent has shipped 5,679,959 units - quintuple platinum, and halfway to the rarified air of Diamond status 10,000,000 units sold.
since the RIAA started tracking sales in 1958, only 103 records have hit Diamond - topped by the 29,000,000 in sales from The Eagle's "Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975)" and rounded out by Notorious B.I.G.'s "Life After Death".
Clarkson's record already puts her in the Top 200 in sales of all-time for one record.
that's not to take away from Underwood. her debut has so far shipped 4,990,785, and she'll continue to sell for awhile. she may even eventually pass Clarkson.
we'll see how Underwood's second record does - that will be the benchmark, to see if she can keep it up, and improve on her sales - if she sees a significant drop, she won't have a long career in this business.
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| 96 | Weykool
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 20:51
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Underwood sucks?
LOL
Whatever dude.
The whole premise of picking an "Idol" is to get the one who will be popular and will sell a bunch of records.
I have her first album and I will be buying her second album when it comes out.
Sorry you dont get it.
Underwood will be in this business as long as she wants to.
Almost half a million copies from a contestant who finished 6th?
I call that pretty amazing,
Her personality kept her on the show for a couple extra weeks as well.
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| 97 | TB
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 21:18
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I was pretty happy to see that Stephanie and Gina made it to the top 12. I was confident that Melinda and Jordin would make it, but as Sabrina's exit showed us, anything can happen. Wasn't a huge upset that Haley stayed over her. The only really good week we saw from her was the first week.
VFTW lost both their poster children tonight in Sundance and Antonella. I was kinda surprised because I thought for sure Sanjaya was going to be leaving instead of Sundance. Over the next five weeks I expect we will be seeing Sanjaya Malakar, Brandon Rogers, Phil Stacey, Haley Scarnato, and Chris Richardson leaving.
Weykool, I don't listen to a lot of country, but I like Carrie Underwood. As far as Pickler goes, I never thought she was a great singer, but I loved her (at times) on idol. I am guessing that Elliott, Pickler, Daughtry (duh), and Kat all outsell the idol popularity contest winner Taylor Hicks. Heck, Bucky might too.
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| 98 | TB
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 21:21
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katietx re post 89 Guys...just delete 81-88 - absolutely no contribution to the thread.
While I agree that 82-88 were poop, 81 was the list of songs the guys sang per GO's request the post before. Probably just a typo by you.
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| 99 | Tree
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 21:34
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The whole premise of picking an "Idol" is to get the one who will be popular and will sell a bunch of records.
that is EXACTLY what i'm saying. sales do not necessarily equal talent.
I have her first album and I will be buying her second album when it comes out.
that's fine. you're entitled to that.
Sorry you dont get it.
Underwood will be in this business as long as she wants to.
that's pretty funny, considering what i do for a living.
while her accomplishment is nice, there have literally been thousands upon thousands of gold records awarded.
there have been artists who sold a LOT more records than Carrie Underwood ever will in her career, and they only last a few albums.
Almost half a million copies from a contestant who finished 6th?
I call that pretty amazing,
plenty of people have sold a half-million copies of a record who WERE NEVER ON AMERICAN IDOL.
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| 100 | Great One
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 21:54
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continuing with this little test sample... along with TB and Weykool, I also don't mind Carrie Underwood at all. By don't mind, I mean when she comes on the radio, I actually don't change the channel. Thats more than I can say about 95% of what is on the radio.
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| 101 | TB
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Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 23:42
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Sales might not equal or equate to talent, but it lends a voice to the kind of music a large chunk of people are interested in. Let's get real for a minute. Some Hearts has been on the Billboard 200 for 68 weeks, has gone quintuple platinum (halfway to the rarified air of Diamond status), and is the fastest-selling debut country album in history. Underwood was won a couple grammy's, an AMA, and eight Billboard Music Awards. I am curious who the artists are that have sold a LOT more records than Carrie Underwood that only lasted a few albums. We are talking artists who have sold over 5 million that didn't last. LOTS of them. I can't think of any, but outside of band members dying or breaking up because of egos to join other groups I don't know why artists with that kind of success didn't keep putting out albums.
I agree with your earlier post that we will have to see how her second album does, but IMO this album alone has proven that she isn't going to be a flash in the pan artist. I say that because there isn't that "one-hit wonder" factor or a gimic to her music. Lots of good songs (for country folk) and it seems likely she can duplicate her success.
I also agree that going gold isn't that big a deal these days, as compared to years ago, when we are only talking about 500,000 in sales. Sell 1 million units and then follow that up with a second album that sales a million+ units and we can start planning your entry into some hall of fame. ;)
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| 102 | Texas Flood
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 08:00
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Sanjaya making it into the top twelve is joke.
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| 103 | Tree
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:13
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I am curious who the artists are that have sold a LOT more records than Carrie Underwood that only lasted a few albums.
you can start with Hootie and the Blowfish.
over 10 million copies of their 1994 debut record sold. the sophomore effort? 2.35 million. then 817,000, and other than a series of greatest hits type records and a release a couple of years ago on some tiny label, the band was largely done by 1998, when they didn't even hit platinum.
four years as a major recording act, despite selling 10 million records.
Guns N'Roses is another example. you can make the argument they are still around, but that would be a false argument. still, i suppose this falls into your "egos" argument.
most of the boy bands who have sold a lot of copies have dissolved.
Jewel is another good example. she's managed to stay in the spotlight and make a career, but her sales have dwindled to the point that i don't expect her to stay on a major label much longer.
Ace of Base? what happened to them???? 10 million sold of their debut album, then they disappeared quicker than you could say "i saw the sign"...
MC Hammer? need i say anything more about him.
and those are artists who have sold over 10 million copies of a CD - or, roughly 20 times what Carrie Underwood has sold.
again - i'm not saying she won't have a solid career - but i think people are rushing to proclaim her the queen of country music or something, and i think she's got a looooong way to go.
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| 104 | Weykool
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 09:59
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20 times more than Carrie?
or Pickler.....
That would mean Carrie only sold 500,000.
You need to double check your math stat-boy.
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| 105 | Great One
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:01
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Tree, can you provide some current artists that DO have this success and longevity you are looking for? I'd say that would be a lot harder in this day and age. Pearl Jam? Ben Harper? Mary J Blige? gulp... BonJovi? :)
I'd say Underwood would be very happy and we would consider her a success if she had a solid career like Jewel.
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| 106 | Tree
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 10:45
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I'd say Underwood would be very happy and we would consider her a success if she had a solid career like Jewel.
to a certain extent, i can't argue that point. a good friend of mine is really starting to get noticed in the music business, her debut record is being re-released by Nettwerk next month, and she's on leave from her job right now touring for the next month or so.
the last part of her tour is opening for Duncan Sheik, playing guitar in his band, and singing the female lead for the part of his show that focuses on Spring Awakening, the broadway hit that he co-wrote.
she has said time and time again that if she could make a living playing and recording music, she would be pleased as punch, even if she was under the radar for all or most of her career.
perhaps that would work for Underwood. my guess is probably. perhaps not, as some people need to be in the limelight all the time (see Spears, Baldy)...
GO - you gave a good list there, although they definitely run the gamut and cover all kinds of ground.
at one point, Pearl Jam was a beast when it came to selling records. the first 3 albums sold something like a combined 20 million units. but the last couple have failed to even hit a million.
that being said, they sell a lot of live CDs, and are a HUGE touring act, and seem to have switched to a Grateful Dead sort of M.O. - a band that doesnt sell a ton of records, but makes huge amounts touring.
Ben Harper was a critical success, but really never sold a ton of records - one gold record to his credit, but he consistently sells between 150,000 and 500,000 units, so he has a certain amount of longetivity.
Bon Jovi - love them or hate them, they are definite Rock and Roll Hall of Famers one day.
Mary J Blige is a consistant Platinum artist. her records all hit a million copies sold.
as far as other artists with success and longetivity?
Shania Twain probably tops the list. she's been around 15 years, and i don't think any album of hers has failed to sell 5 million copies. she's also the perfect example of what i've been trying to say - to me, she is god awful, and her music just isn't what it pretends to be. but, a lot of people love her, so she sticks around, AND sells a ton of records.
U2 also. i mean, jeez - 20 years ago today Joshua Tree came out - TWENTY YEARS ago. they are this generation's Rolling Stones. And, my screen name came from that album, so there you go. :o)
off the top of my head, other contemporary artists that i think fit GO's criteria (leaving out legends like Billy Joel, Elton John, and Bruce Springsteen) include Alanis Morisette, Garth Brooks (despite his self-imposed "retirement), the Dixie Chicks, Kid Rock, OutKast, Mariah Carey, Green Day, Madonna, Eminem, and so on.
i do think that Justin Timberlake will join that list, and will have an awful lot of records that sell an awful lot of copies...
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| 107 | Great One
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 12:41
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Not sure I agree with Alanis or Kid Rock, certainly their careers have tailed off, no? (thats without any data of course, just a general feeling... of course Alanis had nowhere to go but down after a HUGE debut).
So I think we have come to following conclusion. Carrie Underwood can most appropriately be compared to Shania (albiet at the first stages of her career). If she continues along the same track upward, as well as having some longevity, then we can compare the two in another 10 years or so. If she disappears after this album, then that was that... a one-album wonder.
Regardless, she seems to have a lot more potential to be a success than any other Idol contestant thus far, no? And I think she's had a pretty good start.
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 12:42
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Has anyone on this board (or anyone they are close to) every tried out for this show?
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| 109 | Tree
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 12:59
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Carrie Underwood can most appropriately be compared to Shania (albiet at the first stages of her career). If she continues along the same track upward, as well as having some longevity, then we can compare the two in another 10 years or so. If she disappears after this album, then that was that... a one-album wonder.
lol, well, no, not really. i think to compare her to Shania, based on the sales on one album, is a mighty high comparison.
Regardless, she seems to have a lot more potential to be a success than any other Idol contestant thus far, no? And I think she's had a pretty good start.
she certainly had a good start. still, i think Kelly Clarkson has more potential. Once Clarkson took the reins off, and did her own thing - co-wrote the tracks, sang what she wanted to, etc etc, we really saw what she was capable of.
Underwood's second album will be the real test. if Clarkson had stuck with the AI people for her second record, i think her sales would have been halved, not doubled. she did her thing, and it paid off.
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| 110 | TB
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Fri, Mar 09, 2007, 14:59
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Good data in your posts, Tree. Hootie & the Blowfish is a good example of a band having a huge album and then going downhill from there, but Cracked View Mirror was actually their third album. Wikipedia says it went 16 times platinum and the follow-up album, Fairweather Johnson, went 3x Platinum followed by Musical Chairs which went platinum. They put out 7 original albums, a live album, a greatest hits album, and a b-sides album. Not counting any demos, that's 10 albums. They had 16 different songs hit top 40 charts from 1994 to 2006. While they never had the same success again as they did with Cracked View Mirror, they weren't really a flash in the pan band.
GnR - 90 million albums sold worldwide. That puts them on the list of most successful American rock bands ever. I personally only own five of their albums, but I think any artist is going to feel pretty good if they sell 90 million in their career. I agree that GnR didn't last long as a band (about 10 years, with them bickering the last five of them), but they do fall into the ego thing and artists who reformed with other bands. Velvet Revolver is mostly made of us GnR folk. Slash and Duff McKagan from the original band and Matt Sorum ( 7-year stint). Funny that they added another lead singer with a big ego in Scott Weiland.
Jewel also fits the profile of an artist who has taylored off, but I think most American Idols would love to have their first five albums all go platinum. I had to reread #106 to realize that we have a huge gap between what you and I consider successful from idol contestants. The artists you listed in that post are all great, and I mean forever-mentioned great. U2, Garth Brooks, the Dixie Chicks, Kid Rock, OutKast, Mariah Carey, Green Day, Madonna, and Eminem? Wow. Back to Jewel, 20 million albums sold, putting out music for over a decade and about to release a new album. I'd take it.
Ace of Base is that whole gimic thing, for me. They had two big hits in All That She Wants and The Sign. We went through that mini Dance-Pop faze in the US and they happened to be there with a couple catchy tunes. I really don't know too much about their success. It looks like they put out several abums after The Sign and had success in Europe. I am now having German disco flashbacks. Anyone who has traveled there knows what I am talking about. I was stationed there 87-89. Good times.
MC Hammer? need i say anything more about him. I don't think you should try, because from what I've heard you can't touch this. ;)
Seriously, who expected parachute pants to last?
We have so hijacked this thread and I think we need to start a new one for idol, but Tree I love hearing you talk about music. You should jump in and lend some opinion on the "Definitive (lol) 200 music thread. I know you've probably started too and then felt a blood vessel burst in your head.
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