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0 Subject: Poker Part IX

Posted by: ChicagoTRS
- [249542719] Tue, Feb 20, 2007, 21:24

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236R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Feb 21, 2009, 14:17
Its definitely tough to play laggy on 24 tables. I run around 15/13/4, but use notes and my HUD for most reads. Table selecting is also key; avoid having tough regs on your left.
237DWetzel at library
      ID: 372401311
      Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 13:56
So I'm finally getting back into the poker thing, both online and live.

Online report: after cashing some out a couple years ago and busting off most of the rest, I had about $7 and 1700 FPP in my account. Came back, promptly managed to bust down to 0.85 or so. Used some of the FPP to enter some of the Sunday Hundred Grand satellites, got about $30 in T$, played some sit and gos, managed to get about $30, bust that down to 81 cents. (Playing above BR and running like absolute ass is a bad combination.)

Then I remembered how god-awful people are at stud8 (not that I'm God by any means, but I can crush low limit stud8). Took the rest of the FPP, cashed in a couple satellites, and after a good few days (and playing in some $1 stud8 and HORSE tournies) I've got it up to about $70. Now that I remember where my bread and butter is and how variance works I should be okay and not go busto. (Famous last words.)

Live report: Last weekend I played my first casino live NL (1-2, of course) at the Par-A-Dice boat in Peoria. They added four poker tables to the boat in February. I got there about 11:00 AM (good thing!) as they were about to start a 1-2 NL game on the last table available. Perfect. They ran two 1-2 tables and two 3-6 limit tables.

I bought in for $200 (table max). Won a modest pot of about $70 early on which took some of the jitters away. Meanwhile, an old farmer type was running over the table with the raise preflop, bet flop, bet turn, bet river line (rest of the table was playing pretty passively). Raked in four pots in a row without showing his cards and had about $450 in his stack.

A bit later I pick up AcKc in early position and raise to $12. Farmer calls from the BB. Flop Q65 rainbow. Check-C-bet $15, call. Turn J, check-check. River 6, he bets $15 and I call. He shows 42o. Thanks.

I picked up garbage for the next couple of orbits as the farmer continued to build up his stack. Rivered a flush one hand, hit a double-gutter on a paired board to rack in another nice pot. I think he had about $650 in front of him when (cue triumphant music) I pick up AA in late position. EP raises to $12, farmer calls $12, I decide that one of them has something and make it $50. Farmer calls.

Flop A74 rainbow. That's nice to see. As I contemplate how I'm going to get all the money, he bets out $50. Oh, okay, that simplifies things. I throw out a tester-looking scared raise to $110. He raises $100 on top. I push for my last $80 or so over the top of that, and he calls. I never did see what he had; after the K turn and 9 river, I had the nuts and a roughly $700 pot. So that was nice.

Played about another hour (about 3.5 hours total) donking around a bit trying to get the rest of the farmer's stack, then cashed out for $636. A nice first trip. The wife'll let me go back now. ;)

Very friendly bunch, dealers seemed decent. (What do I know, but I've heard horror stories. The worst I saw was a dealer trying to give someone a "missed blind" marker when they got up while on the button.) Floor staff was nice. They need more tables; by the time I left there were at LEAST a dozen names on the waiting lists, and I don't think many seats were opening up very quickly.
238ChicagoTRS
      ID: 591302518
      Sun, May 03, 2009, 23:02
bmd...congrats on winning a seat in that tourney today...was railing a friend who ended up coming in 34th...
239rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Mon, May 04, 2009, 21:23
PokerStars is requiring an update tonight. It's been downloading for over 30 minutes. Anyone else having a problem getting on PS?
240rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, May 26, 2009, 21:41
record roll

While, not as impressive as this record breaking roll, I had been vaguely aware that I hadn't flopped a set in a "long time" so i went back and reviewed.... I was dealt 120 pairs and saw the flop 101 times and didn't flop a single set. Today I get dealt 3 pairs inside of 5 minutes and flop set, set set.
Poker is odd.
241R9
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      ID: 02624472
      Wed, May 27, 2009, 10:45
Be careful what you wish for; yesterday in my first hour I had 6 sets, 5 of which were undersets! :p
242Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, May 27, 2009, 17:05
.....but that was on 12 tables at a time. Big whoop! ;)
243R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, May 29, 2009, 14:03
24 actually. ;) The 6 sets was standard for an hour. The 5 undersets not so much! ;)

rfs, you at pokerstars these days? What limit? I remember you used to play 100NL.
244Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Fri, Jun 05, 2009, 13:03
R9, have you deposted any checks lately?

I deposited 2 Monday and 1 today and just there's been some problems with the processers who handle poker checks. Many people on 2+2 have reported their checks have bounced.

Hopefully some good news will come out soon.
245R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, Jun 05, 2009, 13:06
Yah, I've been following it with some interest, as poker players not getting their monies is not cool. I use direct bank transfers though, usually takes 2 days tops and saves the hassle of cashing cheques. I don't think thats an option for you US doods though, is it?
246Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Fri, Jun 05, 2009, 13:12
Oops, forgot you were Canadian. You probably have alot less to worry about. As far as cashouts all I have is checks and Echecks for Stars and Full Tilt.

It sounds like one of the processors for Stars is fine so hopefully the deposits go through.
247R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, Jun 05, 2009, 13:59
Definitely not a worry for players, Stars will right things. Just might take a little while. One poster on 2+2 said Stars support sent him an email saying they'd cover any bank fees as a result of the bounced check (he needs to send in a photocopy of his bank statement as proof), and that their other processor would send a new check.

From reading a couple threads, it seems like one of the big check processors might have gone belly up. An article on them from May 26th said they owned Stars and FT over 30 million, and now this... doesn't look good for them. Stars has other processors though, so some checks are going through. You might get lucky and have no problems...
248Rendle
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      ID: 014815714
      Mon, Jun 08, 2009, 09:53
It took 12 hours to get a response from Stars which is 11 1/2 hours longer than usual but they said there shouldn't be any problems with the checks I deposited so I lucked out there.

R9, what do you think about Harrah's starting an online gaming division? The prospect of the UIGEA getting repealed and Harrahs, MGM, Bellagio starting their own sites is very exciting. Whenever someone talks about how soft the games used to be I get frustrated that I started playing poker so late.
249R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Jun 15, 2009, 06:19
Well, alot of players think the UIGEA has made the games really bad but in truth, the real reason the games have gotten worse is the average player is getting alot better. Cardrunners, Stoxpoker, Deucescracked, etc. are all available to make players better, and just simple experience makes even bad players slightly less bad.

If/when the UIGEA gets repealed, it will probably have a decent effect on making the games better, at least for a bit. But the games will never go back to being as 'good' as they were in the aftermath of Moneymaker. There will never be that many completely clueless fish about, just because the game is not nearly as new, and not nearly as difficult to learn as it was in 2003+.



As far as big name brick-and-mortar companies getting into the online world, I think its great. More companies competing for the same player base means more competition for our rake. That means better rakeback, support, player programs, etc. The VPP system I love so much at Stars came about from serious rakeback competition from other sites (Tilt mostly).

I'm also not worried about them wiping Stars and Tilt out with big-business tactics. Online poker is a very overhead-free business, so companies like Stars and Tilt will always be able to compete with big-name corporations. Injecting massive amounts of capital can only do so much for an industry like this.
250R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Jun 15, 2009, 06:27
Also, on the checks deal, its really worrying how some lawyer guy in NY can just ask a bank to freeze an account, with no judge order or anything. 30 million frozen, based on his word that the money frozen somehow violated the Wire Act. (Not even the UIGEA...)

The US is a great country, you guys just seem to have a hard time figuring out what to do about vices. Prohibition doesn't work too well, yet you try it on everything. :p
I'm sure someone will eventually figure out that its better to regulate and tax it, I just hope it happens soon!
251Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Mon, Jun 15, 2009, 12:36
Solid posts, R9.

The training site thing is funny how much they're growing. I joined deucescracked for 6 months for $150 when I first hit a wall. Now I get Stox and Cardrunners free every month for getting so many points at Full Tilt.

What's your VPP count at currently?
252ChicagoTRS
      ID: 1550160
      Tue, Jun 16, 2009, 01:50
I agree the average online player is getting tougher and tougher. Education, experience has a lot to do with it. But I also think the poor economy has had a significant effect. Losing players can't afford to continue to donate. The bar is continually moving up as the worst players fall out of the game.
253R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Jun 21, 2009, 06:26
Sitting around 280,000 VPP's right now. Not anywhere near pace, but school really put a dent into that. Just had my last exams on Friday and I'm done for the year. No fall classes for me. :) I'm also going to be spending the next two weeks trying to qualify for the WSOP ME, as Stars is offering 100k VPP's to anyone who wins a seat and actually goes. Barring winning a seat, I'll probably buy my way in, as that counts too.

I might still scale back making a SNE run though. After almost 900,000 hands, some clear trends are emerging. My winrate on days where I don't play more than 3 hours is significantly larger than days where I grind like a madman. Its also much more relaxing. So I'll sit down with Excel on Monday and calculate which earns me more $; going to 600k while playing 3 hours a day, going to 800k or making a 1M SNE run.

And ya TRS, I would love to see the UIGEA repealed before the recession ends. Those two things hand-in-hand might make for a nice short-term boost. You still playing PLO? I know the VPP rates there are sick... ;)
254Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 19:56
R9: I would highly suggestion going for the 1M run and ignoring your G20 baseball team ;)
255R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Jun 22, 2009, 23:26
lol! Actually, I negotiated those two deals while I was 24-tabling.

Insert 'that explains how you got taken twice' joke here.
256Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:35
Insert 'that explains how you got taken twice' joke here.

Deliverance and Pulp Fiction come to mind, for sure! What's French for "f**k me up the ass"?? ;)
257R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 10:45
Maudite tabernac caulis, ca fait aucune espèce d'allure!

:p
258ChicagoTRS
      ID: 3218189
      Thu, Jun 25, 2009, 14:33
I have pretty much quit playing...did not cash for about 6 months...and my bankroll went down accordingly. I had been playing pretty much nightly for over 5 years straight and honestly right now I do not miss it. I do not have the drive to play unless I am cashing checks. It seems like no one is cashing checks right now with the government meddling again.

Just not going to put any of my own money back online...I started with $50 out of my pocket and never deposited after that...

I still am playing live once a month or so as I am winning there.

Mostly just bored with the game and the last year or so has been a grind...have not enjoyed playing and I think it made my play suffer. I have enough left in my account to mix it up a little...playing one or two nights a month...if I work my bankroll up I am sure I will play more.
259beastiemiked
      ID: 34556262
      Fri, Jun 26, 2009, 03:56
R9, if you win your seat hit me up in Vegas. I'm flying back out there on the 3rd and playing 1d on the 6th.
260beastiemiked
      ID: 29640423
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 00:48
Switched to day 1c. I think we are only playing 4 levels so there's a good chance that I will make a day 2 in a 10k event(currently 0-4).
261R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Jul 05, 2009, 02:40
Ended up not buying in, after I had a hard time cashing out to my USD bank account. In the end they said I couldn't cash out in USD to a Canadian bank, even if the Canadian bank account is in USD. My $ was held in limbo between Stars and the bank for over a week, so I just said screw it. Now I have to figure out what to do with my 9,500$ in W$.

Between that and Stars trying to change the VPP formula on us to save $ (would've been a 25% cut for me) it hasn't been a great week.

GL bmd! Alot of the 2+2 guys are already out. I think its a good thing to bust early. ;) Gotta play it to win.
262beastiemiked
      ID: 29640423
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 16:25
Made day 2 with 15.4k. Had a really shitty table draw and lost 30k pot with AKs vs JJ aipf in the last level.

Made a pretty ridiculous laydown. Something I'd never do online but it felt right at the time.

150/300 a25. Effective stacks 30k. Non spewy 3/6 cash game player limps utg, HJ limps, I see 77 in CO, think about raising but have raised limpers twice already and got butt raped on flops so I decide to limp, sb and bb limp and check option. Flop 973 2 diamonds. Bingo. BB leads for 1k, sb doesn't take much time to rejack to 2.7k. HJ folds. I haven't really been out of the line and BB has only 11k total so there's a chance he reships so I just flat with middle set. He calls the 1.7k raise.

Turn is 6d, completing flush draws and T8. **** card. Check, check. I check behind since no worse hand calls besides maybe 33.

River 3s. So final board is 97363 3 diamonds. BB leads for 5k of his 11k stack, utg thinks for a bit before putting in a big pile of chips that have me covered. I hollywood a bit but really can't put him on anything other than 99 or 33. End up folding, BB folds as well claiming he had the flush. UTG doesn't show but tells me had 99 which I'm 99.9% sure he wasn't lying since I talked with him on a few breaks and after the day was over.

A lot of people gave me shit for laying it down The kid that said he had 99 was really nice and he'd have to be a pretty big jackass and a great actor to lie to my face multiple times if he didn't have 99.

My day 2 table doesn't look much better. Have Devilfish on my direct left and at least 5 other "pros" at my table. Still confident that I'm better than these guys. With 30 bbs, I'm still in decent shape and don't necessarily need to force anything too quickly.

263Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 17:58
Nice recap bmd. Wow that's a tough laydown.....but as you said this is LIVE, and when you are actually touching felt sometimes you just have to go with your gut.

I have to imagine guys like Devilfish and other pros really try to run you over. Actually having a guy like that to your left could be advantageous. Good luck. When is day 2 for you? Kick some ass!
264Seattle Zen
      ID: 14637710
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 18:41
Great story, BMD. I'm pulling for you.
265beastiemiked
      ID: 29640423
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 20:17
I play tomorrow at noon.
266Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 20:27
good luck BMD
267GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 23:52
Good Luck BMD
268wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 00:50
congrats man- GL
269Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 10:44
good luck bmd, very sick laydown
270JeffG
      Leader
      ID: 01584348
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 11:23
We're rooting for you bmd! Keep the updates coming.
271Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 18:58
Grrrrrrrrr.....would try to get some live updates on bmd's chipstack but my work has anything with poker in it blocked!
272beastiemiked
      ID: 29640423
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 19:02
No need. I busted with AA << QQ all in preflop. Always next year.
273wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 22:56
good run bro
274Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 10:10
Live poker is rigged. Good game.
275Rendle
      ID: 563401521
      Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 00:03
100 left in the main event and alot of huge names left over. Ivey, Eastgate, or Phillips would all make great stories if they made the November 9. Esfandiari, Tom Schneider, Joe Sebok, Prahlad Friedman, Kenny Tran, and a bunch of 2+2ers are also still in.
277beastiemiked
      ID: 35621411
      Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 00:32
Sorry guys. Posted a very small spoiler of the ME. Since been deleted.
278Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jul 17, 2009, 21:19
Just a quick blurb about the ME. Don't click if you don't want to know about players who are left.

I am stoked to see Ivy in the November 9. Easily my favorite player. I hope after years of amateurs winning that the pros will finally grab the bracelet behind one of the games absolute elite.
279Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jul 17, 2009, 21:20
and yeah, I spelled his name wrong.
280Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 12:49
Anybody watch "The Amazing Race"?? Tiffany Michelle and Maria (don't know her last name) are on it. After Tiffany getting outed on the ESPN broadcasts in 2008 for being mouthy and full of herself, one would think she would have learned her lesson. I for one am not surprised that on the show she is already talking about using her charms to flirt with the guys (of course, they didn't realize at the time she made that comment that they were gay) and using her looks to get ahead in the game.

Beyotch.......you aren't that hot. Not even close.

PS - Tiffany and Maria decided to lie to the other contestants, saying that they work for a non-profit in LA helping homeless kids. They figured that the other teams would want to help them more if they did that instead of being successful poker professionals.

Oooooops. They have already been recognized in an airport and one of the teams overheard a "fan" talking about seeing them on TV or whatever.
281wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 13:06
Its Maria Ho- I would guess not many people that are not big poker fans would recognize either of them. Maybe Michelle just because she was so rude last year.
282 rerlu898
      ID: 71115186
      Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 07:15
It Cool.,
283 enjj675
      ID: 01171810
      Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 11:07
Very Super.,
284weykool
      ID: 351422416
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 14:34
Has anyone tried the new "Rush Poker" on FTP?
For those who have not played: when you fold your hand you are immediately sent to a new table and dealt another hand.
I cant keep track of multi tables and playing one table can get very boring when you are not getting any cards.
285ChicagoTRS
      ID: 550421116
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 16:15
Rush poker...yeah love it...very addicting...no wasted time. I can't even play regular tables any more.
286 Mukakugi
      ID: 31736922
      Sat, Aug 09, 2014, 23:36
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