Posted by: angryCHAIR
- [29955918] Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:47
I missed this somehow!!! I guess it worked for AIC, but HOON had such a unique voice.(as did Staley)----
Anyone seen them on their 2007 tour? I'd be really interested to see how they sound. I have read that is is all the original members, but---obviously---a new front man.
BMelon was mainly known for the BEE Girl song, but if you've never listened to their other work----you missed out. They produced some gems.
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Tree
ID: 321042135 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 06:45
that first record was one of the best of the 90s, and the death of Hoon is among the holy trinity of rock star deaths in the 90s, along with Nowell and Cobain - the three make up my generations Jimi, Jim, and Janis.
i don't see how BM can replace him, quite frankly.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 07:34
It's sounds strange, regarding Nowell, Cobain and Hoon as "my generation's" Joplin, Hendrix and Morrison. Like the latter three, the former three headed acts that were highly influential in their day and of course all suffered young and untimely deaths. But 20 years from now I don't believe many will regard them nearly as highly as the 60s era trio.
Its the timing more than anything else. Both eras occurred as the sound of American radio music was drastically changing and all the acts mentioned (with the exception of Blind Melon) were highly influential that evolution in their respective day. But in the late 1960s the change in popular music was reflective of (and driven by) a drastic change in American culture. The music of the 1990s was not part of any comparable cultural upheaval that could make similar legends out of Hoon, Cobain and Nowell.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:21
Anyone ever seen the "Forever 27" artwork of all these people sitting together in heaven? I believe all 6 of these individuals died at the age of 27. So were Brian Jones of the Stones and blue artist Robert Johnson.
Cobain will be remembered as being influential as Janis/Morrison/Jimi cause he essentially buried the era of hair metal and is the "father of grunge". Shannon only had (2?) good albums with Blind Melon, but certainly very talented.
Bradley Nowell? Well 40 oz to Freedom is my favorite album EVER. By anyone. Any genre. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. So he certainly had some impact there.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:28
I'm not questioning impact. Just pstmortem regard. Consider Buddy Holly and Richie Valens (I don't know anything about the Big Bopper) were probably just as influential in their day but I don't believe they share the national legacy of the 60s era musicians.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:28
Nowell was 28.
while i don't believe Hoon changed music, i do believe he could have, and was snuffed out very young. aside from his own stuff with Blind Melon, his voice is as distinctive as Axl's on GNR's "Don't Cry".
and i'm with GO - Sublime had a very short recording career, but all 3 of their albums are very memorable to anyone who has listened to them, Nowell helped bring dub reggae into the mainstream, and there is no question those albums are among the best of the 90s.
and Cobain, well, i don't believe he needs any further depth of knowledge.
i do believe that 20 years following their death, Cobain and Nowell will still be thought of very highly.
i mean, hell, we're going on almost 14 years since Cobain's death, and i see kids walking down the street wearing Nirvana shirts who weren't even born yet when he died.
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:39
I think Cobain is a shoe-in to be remembered 30 years from now. He had a major impact on music and a generation, much like those first 3. The other 2 I don't think will stand with him down the line but they certainly had an impact as well.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:46
MITH, I could see that. Cobain = Jimi/Janis/Morrison Bradley = Buddy Holly (a few great albums) Shannon = Valens (a shooting star, cut short)
Throw Jeff Buckley into that category too.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 10:00
I believe regard for Hendrix and Morrison are both far greater than for Joplin.
And the mention of Buckley is notable because I was wondering if this discussion is limited to only 3 per era or to rock music only. Tupak Shakur was easily more influential and left a more profound and lasting impression than Hoon or Nowell, thanks to all the postmortem releases.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 10:14
Consider Buddy Holly and Richie Valens (I don't know anything about the Big Bopper) were probably just as influential in their day but I don't believe they share the national legacy of the 60s era musicians.
well, except for the fact that numerous movies and books have been written about both, and they're more well known and remembered than most musicians from the 50s - especially considering that Holly was only 22 when he died, and Valens a mere 17.
22 and 17 - and nearly FIFTY years after their deaths the nation still remembers them. i'd say that's one impressive national legacy.
And the mention of Buckley is notable because I was wondering if this discussion is limited to only 3 per era or to rock music only. Tupak Shakur was easily more influential and left a more profound and lasting impression than Hoon or Nowell, thanks to all the postmortem releases.
Buckley should be considered. he was a bit older when he died - in his 30s - but his death is no less tragic as many people, myself included, believe his death was a suicide.
as for Tupac. his influence is incredible. for rap music in the 90s, almost no one can touch him. but, i personally believe that all the post-mortem releases (most of which come from the company i work for), have actually diluted his legacy.
MITH, I could see that. Cobain = Jimi/Janis/Morrison Bradley = Buddy Holly (a few great albums) Shannon = Valens (a shooting star, cut short)
i do like this comparison.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 10:23
Is there a better way to measure legacy and regard than postmortem record sales? Tree do you have access (or can you point to) any figures?
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 10:56
i do have access. i'm not quite sure of the best way to do the research, as guys like Holly and Valens no doubt have 6 zillion records out by a multitude of labels, and majors will keep releasing and repackaging greatests hits records for guys like Morrison, Hendrix, and even Sublime...
lemme see what i can dig up.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:07
the first thing i'm discovering that surprises me is that in 2007, Sublime has outsold Nirvana (taking the top 12 Albums/Videos) for each. and did the same in 2006.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:13
SUBLIME
Release
Format
TW Sales
YTD Sales
2006
2005
Lifetime
SUBLIME
7/30/1996
Album
2,423
144,998
190,126
225,695
5,764,891
GOLD
11/15/2005
Album
1,093
71,157
148,189
57,963
277,309
40 OZ. TO FREEDOM
11/11/1994
Album
898
57,412
100,485
132,724
2,602,810
BEST OF SUBLIME-MILLENNIUM COL
10/29/2002
Album
595
52,132
86,217
144,045
692,265
EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN
11/14/2006
Album
181
23,388
55,328
0
78,716
ROBBIN' THE HOOD
11/11/1994
Album
229
20,381
28,864
48,336
884,089
SUBLIME
8/15/2006
Album
187
14,673
25,563
0
40,236
SECOND HAND SMOKE
11/25/1997
Album
235
14,284
21,374
34,081
1,025,993
ACOUSTIC-BRADLEY NOWELL & FRIE
11/17/1998
Album
221
13,624
22,239
31,158
462,998
LIVE-STAND BY YOUR VAN
6/23/1998
Album
85
5,820
11,458
18,056
462,522
STORIES TALES LIES (COLL ED)
1/6/2004
Video
38
3,407
6,240
8,481
30,360
GREATEST HITS
11/9/1999
Album
9
1,110
1,829
2,009
342,301
TOTALS
422,386
697,912
702,548
12,664,490
NIRVANA
Release
Format
TW Sales
YTD Sales
2006
2005
Lifetime
NEVERMIND
9/24/1991
Album
1,340
111,743
143,468
155,082
8,542,128
NIRVANA
10/29/2002
Album
1,555
78,561
104,088
147,487
1,850,629
UNPLUGGED IN NEW YORK
10/11/1994
Album
764
41,511
61,668
96,703
4,619,300
IN UTERO
9/14/1993
Album
428
31,374
41,461
62,934
3,999,033
LIVE! TONIGHT! SOLD OUT!
11/7/2006
Video
275
28,648
42,092
0
70,740
SLIVER-BEST OF THE BOX
11/1/2005
Album
353
28,571
120,266
167,694
316,531
BLEACH
9/20/1990
Album
291
19,321
27,669
37,086
1,691,895
INCESTICIDE
12/15/1992
Album
155
10,068
13,660
22,799
1,284,001
WITH THE LIGHTS OUT
11/23/2004
Album
151
9,693
27,417
106,101
495,410
WITH THE LIGHTS OUT (BX SET)
11/23/2004
Video
139
9,143
27,019
97,581
450,529
FROM THE MUDDY BANKS
10/1/1996
Album
77
5,378
10,047
15,183
1,260,752
NEVERMIND
3/22/2005
Video
88
4,893
20,254
54,324
79,471
TOTALS
378,904
639,109
962,974
24,660,419
BLIND MELON
Release
Format
TW Sales
YTD Sales
2006
2005
Lifetime
BLIND MELON
9/14/1992
Album
150
10,434
17,479
23,678
2,490,727
BEST OF BLIND MELON
9/27/2005
Album
171
9,478
21,990
13,029
44,497
NICO
11/12/1996
Album
48
3,538
5,419
7,269
192,783
SOUP
8/8/1995
Album
61
3,059
4,094
4,328
306,827
LIVE AT THE METRO: SEPTEMBER 9
9/27/2005
Video
29
2,510
6,769
5,696
14,975
LIVE AT THE PALACE
10/3/2005
Album
17
2,362
5,236
125
7,723
LETTERS FROM A PORCUPINE
11/12/1996
Video
7
785
1,720
2,404
28,289
CLASSIC MASTERS
1/29/2002
Album
0
110
568
9,892
76,953
TOTALS
32,276
63,275
66,421
3,162,774
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:30
Sublime has like 5 different greatest hits mixes already lol... plus Stand by Your Van is "greatest hits live" type album. Second Hand Smoke is b-sides etc.
So who decides to put those variations out? his family? the record label?
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:37
Cool. Thanks Tree. Any access to Joplin, Hendrix and the Doors for comparison?
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:40
usually the record label. and sometimes it's based on a contract signed with the survivors.
but the sales of the Sublime GH type packages is pretty amazing.
Gold, Best Of, Everything Under the Sun (box set), Second Hand Smoke, and Stand By Your Van have sold a combined 2.5+ million copies...
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angryChair
ID: 100501014 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 18:05
Post #7:
MITH, I could see that. Cobain = Jimi/Janis/Morrison Bradley = Buddy Holly (a few great albums) Shannon = Valens (a shooting star, cut short)
Very good example. Hoon definitely was a shooting star cut short. His lyrics were both simple and complex-----His personality more carefree than Cobain's melancholy filled life.
Personally, I will never forget the place I was when I forst heard both bands(Nirvana and BMelon) (as well as Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC, G 'n R etc)---Gee, can you tell my age????
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angryChair
ID: 100501014 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 18:09
Amazing that B MELON has only sold 3 million albums. That seems like it is off. Is that US only?
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Tree
ID: 221091318 Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 19:15
nah - the first album was the only one that sold really well.
Soup was poorly received. and 2 months later, Hoon was dead.
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Boxman
ID: 571114225 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 06:36
I remember when Cobain died. It didn't change me at that moment, but it did years later. Cobain is a legend and GO is correct in #3 that Cobain killed the hair metal era and is the father of grunge.
I still see Cobain shirts for sale at the mall and kids do wear them who were most likely 2 years old when Cobain died.
Mith #2: It's sounds strange, regarding Nowell, Cobain and Hoon as "my generation's" Joplin, Hendrix and Morrison. Like the latter three, the former three headed acts that were highly influential in their day and of course all suffered young and untimely deaths. But 20 years from now I don't believe many will regard them nearly as highly as the 60s era trio.
As a trio the overall talent level of Jimi, Jim, and Janis is better than Cobain, Hoon and Nowell, but as the number of people who remember the original three decline the newer trio will take over.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 08:25
Joplin, Hendrix and Morrison have been in the public's consciousness for 40 years, aided by the romanticism of the 1960s cultural upheaval and (for Hendrix and Joplin) the original Woodstock festival. The 90s era trio have no landmark cultural era or historical event to attatch their legacy to. In 25-30 years I doubt Nowell and especially Hoon will be so broadly remembered as even Janis Joplin, the least famous of the 60s three.
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walk
ID: 7952415 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 08:30
Aaaaaaaah, the memories. I still listen to Nirvana much and was fortunate to have seen them several times in the 90s with Kurt. What beautiful noise. I did not like blind melon as much, but they were a lot harder than that little bee song, and that first album was very good. What a great voice he had. A style, too. While not as impactful to those here, Layne Staley death was a big musical loss for me. What a voice and style he had, too. I have seen AIC two times since they reformed with their new frontman, and the music is still great, but of course, lacking Layne. Some AIC is better than no AIC, and it's still quite good.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 09:00
I also loved that Shannon Hoon was so wasted at one show that he pissed on the crowd. Literally! lol...
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 09:01
How old was Layne? does he not get included in this cause the band wasn't in "its prime" at the time of his death?
I think most would agree his impact was greater than Shannon.
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walk
ID: 7952415 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 09:36
Wikipedia entry has Layne going out at age 35. He died in 2002. AIC is easily top 3 of my fave bands of all-time. Anything he did, Mad Season, acoustic, hard, whatever, was so strong. However, music and entertainment is so subjective. I just love their sound. His voice. I saw them, too, live, with Layne, but also enjoy watching the little 5 second clips from the movie "Singles" with AIC, but more so, this box set I have that has a dvd with many music videos and concert footage.
Fcukin compelling read, that entry. Gave me a tear. It is true that during the recent AIC tours, in the intermission, they have a nice video/audio montage of Layne. These band members really seem to have lost a loved one. Jerry toasted Layne's memory during the show, too. Man he was messed up in those drug addicted years. I wonder about the inner person and the dynamic of his social and professional networks that represent the context of such a demise. Not the only one. Andrew Wood, Cobain, Staley, others mentioned here...part of that sub-culture to some degree. Blabbering.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 09:47
The 90s era trio have no landmark cultural era or historical event to attatch their legacy to.
i disagree strongly with that sentiment. the 90s were a time of upheaval, albeit a different kind. kids in their teens and 20s were in a much darker period, without a lot of the optimism felt during the 60s. we didn't have the hippie counter culture to our angst. the angst was the counter culture.
we didn't have Vietnam or the original Woodstock, but we had a Woodstock of our own that was darker and more violent, and we had a war of our own that we disagreed with. was it as iconic as the originals? no, of course not, but to act like there wasn't anything cultural - hell, the Grunge movement itself was cultural, and gave a collective voice to a lot of kids who previously didn't have one.
In 25-30 years I doubt Nowell and especially Hoon will be so broadly remembered as even Janis Joplin, the least famous of the 60s three.
more than 10 years since the death of Nowell, Sublime is still selling a half-million copies, and outselling Nirvana. i think that speaks volumes to their staying power.
. I still listen to Nirvana much and was fortunate to have seen them several times in the 90s with Kurt. What beautiful noise.
amen to that. i saw them twice. once at a small club in Providence called Babyhead (on the day Nevermind came out!), and once at a hockey arena in Fitchburg, MA, a few months before Cobain died.
How old was Layne? does he not get included in this cause the band wasn't in "its prime" at the time of his death?
34 or 35 by the time of his death. his death from heroin was awful, and apparently suffered from gangrene near the end of his life, and rumour has it he was missing fingers and such as well.
a few months before his death, he said the following: "I'm not using drugs to get high like many people think. I know I made a big mistake when I started using this shit. It's a very difficult thing to explain. My liver is not functioning, and I'm throwing up all the time and shitting my pants. The pain is more than you can handle. It's the worst pain in the world. Dope sick hurts the entire body."
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walk
ID: 7952415 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 09:58
Yeah, that quote stuck with me, too, Tree. Makes me wonder why his buddies did not fcukin just grab his mofo butt and drag him to a rehab center or something...just SAVE him. I guess they probably tried that stuff many times over by then. A shame.
Yeah, we saw Nirvana around the same times...I still have the ticket stub for when I saw them at the Cow Palace doing a benefit concert for rape victims of Bosnia & Herzegovenia. And then the famous new year's eve show in 1993 with Pearl Jam (unknown to many at that time, including me) and RHCP, who headlined. I saw them at the Warfield theater, 2000 seat venue, too. I think I only saw AIC once with Layne at the 1993 Lallapoolaza at the shoreline ampitheater in south SF.
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Mattinglyinthehall Leader
ID: 01629107 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 10:26
the 90s were a time of upheaval, albeit a different kind. kids in their teens and 20s were in a much darker period
Please. There are numerous similarities but there's no comparing the prominance of the two eras and their impact on American and even world culture. Nothing in the 1990s comes close to the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, the sexual revolution, the maturation of rock music or the advent of prominant drug culture.
more than 10 years since the death of Nowell, Sublime is still selling a half-million copies, and outselling Nirvana. i think that speaks volumes to their staying power.
Yeah but how many will remember Nowell? He will never be Jim Morrison. Or even Janis Joplin. Even today, google returns 273,000 hits for "Janis Joplin" compared with just 82,700 for "Bradley Nowell". Given the recentness and and greater familiarity of Sublime's fan base has with the internet, this speaks in much greater volumes.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 10:46
Couldn't that be viewed as Janis has had 40 more years worth of fans (and websites and mentions etc)? i.e. my mother likes Janis but doesn't know who Sublime (or Nirvana) are.
I know Janis AND Sublime. So 20 years from now, wouldn't a person like myself know both as well?
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 12:10
Couldn't that be viewed as Janis has had 40 more years worth of fans
Probably to some extent (noting again that her fan base can't be close to as web savvy as Sublime's is) but if so, that's also a testament to her staying power.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 12:40
Thats true, but a lot of those hits are, for example... an article in Rolling Stone or Spin a newspaper. And how many of those were from the 70's, 80's etc before Sublime was even making music.
One other tricky thing - Joplin was the singer and she is also the name on the front of the album. I'd bet if we didn't just look up Nowell - but instead Sublime it provide more interesting results (and probably go with your theory of this generation being more web savvy, having Sublime on their myspace page or in their blog etc).
More to consider I guess.
Discussing Layne's abuse problems reminds me of a story I heard about Bradley. If anyone has seen this anywhere else, please post the real story. But to paraphrase... Bradley never really did "hard drugs" prior to 1992(yr?). He smoked a little pot, but thats about it. And his music was going nowhere. But according to his friends and family, he idolized guys like Morrison and Hendrix and some other heavy drug and heroin users and the great music they made while on those drugs. He had a baby on the way and no money... and made a "contract" of sorts where he would start doing heroin and make all the music he could for like 2 years. He would then give it all up after that time and go back to normal. Obviously it didn't work out that way and he couldn't stop.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 12:50
This was in Wiki - looks like it started prior to his marraige though. Also, he died less than a week after tying the knot? wow... Frustrated by rejection of the major record companies, Nowell descended into a two-year heroin "experiment". Nowell claimed that his heroin use was justified, claiming it aided with his artistic creativity, thereby increasing the likelihood that his material would attract the attention of a major label.
Three days after Nowell's marriage to Troy Dendekker, Sublime embarked on a five-day tour through California cities in preparation for a summer tour of Europe. The European tour was intended as a means of promotion of their upcoming major label debut album. On May 25, 1996, before checking out of San Francisco's Ocean View Motel, Sublime's drummer Gaugh, who was sharing a room with him at the time, found Nowell's body lying on the bed with his feet still on the floor. Nowell had died of a heroin overdose.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 13:11
from the 70's, 80's etc before Sublime was even making music.
I really don't know how many entertainment periodicals have archived their decades-old content on the internet.
Sublime returns 3.48 million results but the word 'sublime' is common enough that there would be plenty of results anyway. Consider the word 'noble', a synonym of 'sublime' returns 13.8 million results.
Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 13:19
Rolling Stone does, not sure of the others.
Although - going with the thought of modern times having more media, there are more magazines (Blender, Maxim etc) nowadays with which to be included in.
regarding Bradley and drugs - it's ironic that band mate Bud Gaugh struggled with drugs, and Bradley helped him get into rehab, well before his own experimentations with drugs.
Sublime returns 3.48 million results but the word 'sublime' is common enough that there would be plenty of results anyway.
but if you do a search on something that contains both sublime and brad, you get 1,118,000 hits.
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 15:30
2,860,000 for "Sublime, music" 1st page is all the band, but I do see a random hits mixed in that aren't related to the band.
That Metallica number is impressive considering that word can only be about the band.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 15:34
if you do a search on something that contains both sublime and brad
I'm not sure what you mean there but sublime+brad yields only 395,000 hits. A good number of them, I'm sure, have nothing to do with the band.
Sublime+nowell gets you 115,000 results.
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Tree
ID: 3533298 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 16:13
I'm not sure what you mean there but sublime+brad yields only 395,000 hits.
i did "sublime" "brad"
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Great One Sustainer
ID: 053272014 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 16:30
i bet if we search "doors" we'll get more hits than any of these! lol... :)
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blue hen
ID: 16322314 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 17:31
I get about 32 million for Metallica. Not sure where your number came from.
Metallica is: - great - recent - popular - long lasting - fought against piracy (therefore prone to google-able piracy) - great
That's why there are a large number of hits. I'm on page 36 of results and they are still utterly revelant.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514 Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 17:41
I put the name in quotes for sake of consistancy with names with more than 1 word.
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angryChair
ID: 100501014 Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:07
Current Tour Dates, etc:
November 2007 24 - Ridgewood, NJ - Blend 27 - Lancaster, PA - Chameleon Club 28 - Falls Church, VA - State Theatre 30 - Charlotte, NC - Tremont Music Hall
December 2007 3 - Atlanta, GA - Masquerade 5 - Ft. Lauderdale, FL - Culture Room 6 - St. Petersburg, FL - State Theatre 7 - Tallahassee, FL - Beta Bar
If anyone sees them please post your opinions here. I am in Portland, Ore---so no shows here yet.
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Mike D Leader
ID: 041831612 Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 17:27
Thanks angrychair. I'm sure they are playing the Chameleon because they have a lot of history there. Thorn is from PA, I knew him about 18 years ago before he went out west. I'd love to see that show, maybe I can work it in.
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JCS All-Star
ID: 020102934 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 10:27
For the record, I was heavily into rock in the 90s, was as big a fan of Cobain and Nirvana as could be, and absolutely never heard of the names Nowell and Shannon. Sublime did have some success here, although quite later, after this guy died. Blind Melon, I guess sold about 10 recors overall here, still know the name thought because it was somehow "linked" often with other good bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden and co in rock mags. As a comparison, Jeff Buckley is quite a rock legend here.
Just to give you guys a perspective of what's the feeling overseas.
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blue hen
ID: 16322314 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 11:37
No New York? No one ever plays New York.
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walk
ID: 7952415 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 12:43
NYC is tricky blue hen cos it's very expensive for some of the venues. However, it's "new york," baby. They should always play here.
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angryChair
ID: 100501014 Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 18:08
WALK: BTW "walk" is one of my favorite BMElon songs.
I would imagine that they will keep adding dates---so maybe a NYC date soon???
March 2008 1 - New York, NY - Hiro Ballroom 3 - Washington, DC - 9:30 Club 4 - Norfolk, VA - NorVa 5 - Richmond, VA - The National 7 - Charlotte, NC - Tremont Music Hall 8 - Orlando, FL - Backbooth 9 - Big Cypress, FL - Langerado Festival 11 - Tuscaloosa, AL - Jupiter Bar and Grill 12 - Chattanooga, TN - Rhythm and Brews 14 - Nashville, TN - Cannery Ballroom 15 - Indianapolis, IN - Vogue 16 - Detroit, MI - St. Andrew's Hall 18 - Milwaukee, WI - Rave 20 - Davenport, IA - Redstone Room 21 - St. Paul, MN - Station 4 22 - Omaha, NE - Slowdown 24 - St. Louis, MO - Pop's 25 - Kansas City, MO - Beaumont Club 27 - Aspen, CO - Belly Up 28 - Boulder, CO - Fox Theatre 31 - Boise, ID - The Big Easy
April 2008 1 - Seattle, WA - El Corazon 3 - Orangevale, CA - The Boardwalk 4 - San Francisco, CA - The Independent 18 - Dallas, TX - House of Blues 19 - Austin, TX - Antone's 20 - Houston, TX - Meridian 22 - Mobile, AL - Soul Kitchen 23 - Baton Rouge, LA - Varsity Theatre 29 - Tempe, AZ - Club Red 30 - Las Vegas, NV - Jillian's
May 2008 2 - Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre 3 - San Juan Capistrano, CA - Coach House 4 - San Diego, CA - Canes 24 - Chillicothe, IL - Summer Camp 2008
August 2008 30 - Milwaukee, WI - Harley-Davidson 105th Anniversary