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Subject: Survivor - Season 17 - Gabon
Posted by: JeffG
- Leader [01584348] Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 16:29
We've gone through 3 months of Survivor withdrawl, Season 17 will be back on the air 9/25. Titled "Gabon: Earth's last Eden", Survivor finally will be broadcast in HD. Official CBS Website
The 18 contestant predominantly 20-something cast includes a 2004 Olympic Gold medalist in womens track, and an actress who appeared on 4 episodes of "The Gilmore Girls".
Not much info yet out about this season's twists, but I did see this from an article from Entertainment Weekly from this interview with Jeff Probst:
"As for the format, the biggest twist of Survivor: Gabon involves Exile (formerly Exile Island). “When you go to Exile this time you can either get a clue that will help you find the hidden immunity idol, or you can get ‘instant comfort’ — a nice thing to sleep on, some food, some fruit,” explains host Jeff Probst. “Depending upon the time, we’ll make the temptation bigger and bigger. The idea was to see if anybody would be dumb enough to choose comfort over the only thing that guarantees you to stick in the game, which is immunity.” Okay, did it work? “By the time this season is over, you can make the case that maybe this is the dumbest team when it comes to idol play.”
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| 1 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 17:50
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“By the time this season is over, you can make the case that maybe this is the dumbest team when it comes to idol play.”
Dumber than Erik, Ozzie, and James?
I have a hard time thinking of how one could accomplish that.
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| 2 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 21:01
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Anybody up for doing Fantasy Survivor again? I'll set up a RotoGuru tribe if anybody is interested. We used the fantasysurvivor.net one a couple years ago and it was pretty easy and fun.
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| 3 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 00:27
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Great...I hate Survivor when it is populated by morons...
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| 4 | Skidazl
Leader
ID: 379312323
Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 17:04
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"Great...I hate Survivor when it is populated by morons...
You got that right, Fang has to be one of the weakest Tribes ever, let alone the dumbest. Have they not seen enough episodes to know that the first part of the game you need to keep ALL your stongest players and weed out the weak. I agree Michelle was pretty negative, but she definitely proved herself in the first "challenge" that she is pretty strong. Even Ken seems weaker physically than her. There is no reason Gillian shouldn't have gone first and either Ken or Susie next.
Crystal picking susie was as dumb as it gets. Matty covered himself somewhat with the "3 moms" comment, but you could tell he was bummed. And Ace thinking with his nads was also pretty stupid, Sugar reminds me of that super skinny chick from a couple seasons ago.
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| 5 | C1-NRB
ID: 596573021
Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 22:57
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Sugar reminds me of that super skinny chick from a couple seasons ago.
We called her "The Stick" at my house. (Long story involving a particualr episode of Cartoon Network's "Dexter's Laboratory.") I don't remember her name, either.
I did like that they made their own fishing gear and caught some fish. What I don't understand is why nobody ever says, "You know, the most important thing we can have is fire. Let's try to make a fire before we do anything else."
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| 6 | weykool
ID: 45821208
Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 23:54
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That would be Courtney from China aka Anorexic Girl.
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| 7 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 09:39
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I give the one guy props for making an effective fish hook out of his eye glasses...I was impressed.
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| 8 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 11:45
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Its been a pretty bland season so far. Sugar keeps going to Exile, but with the II in hand, she gets to rest in relative comfort. It looks like Ace is coming off as the puppetmaster, he seems to be getting most of the early air-time, but then again Fang gets most of the airtime because they are usually at tribal. I'm waiting for the Immunity Idol to get smoked out or played, I thought Crystal/Ken/Kelly might have tried in last night's episode, but Kelly voting for Crystal shows she was really out on her own.
Haven't figured out much with the Kota tribe: Bob is likable, Randy is being portrayed as the abrasive one.
Still waiting for the good stuff - backstabbing, dumb moves, good vs evil storyline, surprising voter flips.
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| 9 | Nuclear Gophers
ID: 239502410
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 11:50
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Jeff G I think we have that in the Presidential election
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| 10 | C1-NRB
ID: 588421510
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 11:16
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Still waiting for the good stuff - backstabbing, dumb moves, good vs evil storyline, surprising voter flips.
We got that last week, for sure. And apparently none too soon for Fang since this looks like merge week. I thought that was a pretty slick move by Sugar to drop Ace pre-merge. She just solidified a pretty eclectic group with her, Kenny, and Crystal.
If the previews can be trusted (probably not), Randy does become a power player because the old Fang have no idea what his relationship is with anyone in Kota. If he can string the 3-prong Fang along and they can start dismissing the remaining unpopulars- Susie, Bob, Charlie- he can go pretty far.
He needs to have a little attitude adjustment in order to pull it off, though. So far he's been playing like Jean-Robert; he just needs to shift into good-guy mode now rather than one step too late like J-R did.
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| 11 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 17:10
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The tribe shuffles definitely make the game change.
This week, because of the merge another person on the fringe of a larger alliance with the target on their back becomes the swing voter, this time Susie taking out Marcus. If there is no merge/swap this week Bob seems to now be on the ropes in the new Kota, at least in terms of editing, he has not really forged the alliances but just went with the flow. His alliance w/ Charlie & Corrinne is in the other camp. Sugar still holds the cards in the new Fang, it would seem her play would be to be very careful next episode as her new post-Ace buds Kenny and Crystal are in the other camp until the merge. I'd expect Randy to play some politics and try to swing the vote towards Matty if his tribe goes to TC if no merge to keep his options open.
Of course a merge could mean 3 (Crystal, Kenny, Sugar) vs 3 (Corrienne, Charlie, Randy) with Susie either a target or heavily recruited, and Matty needing to pick his best path.
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| 12 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 17:52
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If there is a merge there will be 9 left.
Obviously Bob would join up with his old alliance.
The question is does Matty join up with Crystal and company and make Susie the swing vote of does he join with the other group as a 5th wheel and make Susie irrelevent.
I am continually amazed at the players who cant keep their mouth shut during tribal council.
In the movie Bull Durham Crash has to help Meat with his clichés:
Crash Davis: You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time."
No matter what question Jeff asks they should always answer with:
"You know Jeff I really have no idea in this crazy game of survivor....for all I know it could be me going home tonight.
Sure it would be much more boring but if it helps you win the million you could afford to speak your mind then.
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| 13 | C1-NRB
ID: 17101168
Mon, Nov 17, 2008, 17:25
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I finally got to watch Thursday's episode yesterday afternoon.
It seems like the art of the blindside has been perfected. Kenny needs to watch his own back now because Sugar must realize who the real puppetmaster is now. Charley never saw it coming; in fact, none of the Kota's had any clue whatsoever.
I commend Bob on his fake hidden immunity idol. His is a MUCH more convincing facsimile than any previous "home made" idols have been. It's not "just a stick!" Too bad the people he needs to fool with it are probably all going to be picked off one at time from here on out.
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| 14 | beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Tue, Nov 18, 2008, 15:33
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This season has been pretty solid. I think if the onion alliance stayed intact it would've became fairly boring. Now, there are tons of suballiances and unpredictable people left. I don't think any of the remaining people will be friends after the show. If you guys want a good laugh watch the Ponderosa clips of Marcus and Charley. I think you'll begin to question Marcus's sexuality.
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| 15 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Wed, Nov 19, 2008, 07:42
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I, for one, would absolutely love to see all the tribal councils in their full-blown beauty. Supposedly, they run about 30 minutes up to an hour each but nothing does the heart good like Randy and Crystal's lovefest from last week. ;)
Love the season so far. Love how the stronger members are being outwitted by the weaker ones. Love the unpredictability that the producers have come up with (i.e.Merging right before an immunity challenge) LOL I loved that!
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| 16 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 00:41
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How great was Survivor last night??? Randy getting what he deserved, complete with full and utter humiliation at playing the fake idol, was absolutely the high point for me this year.
Can't wait 'til the Reunion show. LOL
Meanwhile, I really wish Bob could win this season. The numbers are against him but perhaps Sugar has something in mind to keep him the game longer. I suspect she's a lot smarter than she appears to be and knows that she needs to break up the Kenny, Crystal, Suzie trifecta.
We shall see.
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| 17 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 09:29
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I like Bob as well. Before last night, likable Bob would not be anyone another finalist wants to sit next to at the final tribal. I question why he would have wanted to take part in the beat down of Randy with the fake idol, someone who was going down anyway, why would Bob want to fuel the fire? I thought it was also wierd that Bob took the clue over comfort at Exile when he already did the clue gig in the last episode. I agree that Sugar and Bob may be cooking something up.
How about one more shout out to Yao-Man who came up with the whole fake immunity idol thing. CBS better be sending him royalties.
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| 18 | philflyboy
ID: 20932156
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 09:46
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When every one else was laughing at him at Tribal last night Bob sat there very quiet and acted like he didn't know that it was a fake. I think he was still trying to win the vote from Randy when it came to the end.
The previews for next week are interesting with Bob saying he really has the immunity idol that was thrown to sea. That could really mess up some plans that Kenny is putting together.
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| 19 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 11:24
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re: 18
Either he was acting like he didn't know it was a fake, OR, he was pretty disgusted with himself for turning on an ally like that. Seeing how Bob has carried himself thus far, I would lean very far to the latter.
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| 20 | threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 11:54
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seriously, that was a bitch move by bob to humiliate someone in his alliance. his actions completely contradict him voting for susan while assisting sugar in making randy look like an ass.
have you been watching a different show from me this year? randy was the comedy and in more surprising moments than i thought there would be, the brains. especially the case when he yelled at ace to freeze during the challenge while sugar sat there dumbfounded (what she does best).
i really enjoyed watching randy the whole game, toasting himself on the beach and scoring all 3 goals in the waterpolo game. he's definitely not someone to feel sorry for.
are these people stupid? sugar is running the show? she's a dumbass blonde pinup girl who thought hey, it's not enough to get rid of someone, let's humiliate him too!
on a side note, it's a horrible move by bob not to tell the others that there is a choice at exile island and that sugar has been sitting there eating fruit the whole time after finding the idol. she definitely has been fattening up and not saying a word of it to her voting block. bet they would be interested in that since she kept eating her share of rice, fish, etc anyways.
who's left to cheer for?
kenny i guess, through process of elimination.
crystal? too many finger waves for me.
susie? doesn't deserve to still be in the game.
matty? first of the last five to be voted out. and he's also dumb.
corinne? should have voted susie instead of dan when she had the chance.
bob? if he gets any thinner he'll be invisible, yet he's referred to as "the other physical threat".
sugar? discussed earlier. and don't see anyone voting for her in the finals.
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| 21 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 14:46
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Interesting threespleens.
While I wouldnt say that Randy was one of my favorites I came very close to feeling sorry for him.
Was he a jerk?
Of course he was.....but so are most of the other players.
Was Randy being a jerk with the cookies?
Yes, but Suger was doing her best to out-jerk him with her bush-league move.
I think this is the first season I can remember that I am not rooting for anyone and hoping they all get voted off.
Maybe they can do a carryover and play for 2 million next season.
The dumb move of the week has to go to Matty.
Randy spelled it out for him when he said "5th place is very respectable".
Matty now has the bullseye on himself as the last physical threat and will be eliminated the first chance they get.
Matty also helped to vote off the one player that would be guaranteed to not receive any vote in the finals.
Could you imagine the grease fire that would have erupted if you are Matty in the finals with Randy and either Sugar of Crystal?
All you would need to do is shrug your shoulders and collect your million.
I think that Bob had very few options.
It might be that his move to help Sugar humiliate Randy can earn her confidence and get her to come up with a plan.
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| 22 | Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 15:01
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I don't like Crystal at all but her yelling her comments to the camera for all to hear was one of my favorite Survivor moments ever. That takes big balls (which she has). Plus I can imagine Randy sitting back thinking the last laugh would be on here but it wasn't.
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| 23 | beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 16:41
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I think Matty realized he'd not have much of a chance to win in a finals with Bob, Randy, or Corinne. If he backstabbed his alliance I guarantee you that they would all hold a grudge and not vote for Matty. These people are vindictive and it would kill Matty to be the bad guy. Randy was great for Survivor. Show won't be the same without him.
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| 24 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 17:10
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I think Bob knew what he was doing. He knew that if he stuck with Randy and Corinne (sp?) he'd have no chance. I think this is bob's way of getting in Sugar's good graces to possibly mix things up soon.
I also think Sugar is smarter than people think (or maybe thats just what I want to believe?)
Last night was definitely the best tribal counsil EVER!!!!! I couldn't stop laughing. Can't wait to watch the ponderosa videos with the two lovebirds and Randy.
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| 25 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 20:15
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are these people stupid? sugar is running the show? she's a dumbass blonde pinup girl who thought hey, it's not enough to get rid of someone, let's humiliate him too!
I also think Sugar is smarter than people think (or maybe thats just what I want to believe?)
Sugar is the only one that acts like she's ever seen the show before. That was a genius move on her part to convince Bob to give up the fake II if Randy asked for it. And it was pretty smart by Bob to go along with it because he thought it might buy his some favor with Sugar, not that it will. But why would he tell Sugar (of all people!) that he didn't find it and that he'd made a fake one? Is she really that charismatic behind the scenes?
Is anyone buying what Bob is selling to Corrine in the previews? There's no way the producers keep something like that under wraps for this long; they love to twist up us the viewers as much as they like to twist the game. What could his ploy possibly be? Convince Corrine that he thought his fake II was real and that it wasn't his fault (not that anyone could've stopped the inevitable anyway?)
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| 26 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 22:59
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Sugar should have switched to the other side before Charlie was voted out. The last two votes were completely against Sugar's best interest. The only two people who didn't know she has the idol (and therefore don't see her as a huge threat) are now powerless. Now she can't switch over and form a new power with them. Unless Kenny's bunch really are complete idiots, Sugar's probably next to go as they should want to out the idol/blindside her. They can't let her take it to the final four.
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| 27 | beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 14:59
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Sugar without a doubt picked the right group to go with. She was 4/4 on the otherside with almost no chance to move up. There's absolutely no way that Sugar would've stood a chance in an alliance with Corinne and Randy.
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| 28 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 18:59
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If Sugar goes to the final with any of Kenny's bunch, she wins. But if she goes with any of Bob/Corrine/Charlie, she probably loses, so you're right in that respect.
Sugar is a professional actress and if Kenny's bunch are as dumb as Probst says they are, maybe she can BS them into the finals, in which case she wins.
Now you've got me thinking Sugar can actually win this thing.
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| 29 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 15:55
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Can't see Sugar winning...she is becoming one of the least popular players...I would put the favorite as Kenny right now.
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| 30 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 22:47
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Did anyone think that Crystal would flip on Kenny and vote for Matty instead of Corinne?
That little, "I think this is my best chance to drop Matty" throw-off line she said may have been encouraged by the producers to build suspense. I can't think of a time when the "original" plan was followed once tribal council rolled around.
And for what it's worth, I think she made the wrong choice. I think Sugar and Matty can be flipped by Bob.
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| 31 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 00:51
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I'm not sure how much the previews for the next episode can be believed, but it apprears that Bob is going to commit a major blunder.....
Instead of confessing to about the fake idol Bob should turn the tables on Kenny/Crystal and demand to know why one of them lied to him and Corrine and switched their votes.
The backup story is "I decided to not give the idol to Corrine because we had the 4 votes needed to vote out Matty".
"So which one of you lied to Corrine and me and turned your back on our new alliance"?
If I was Bob instead of promising Kenny he will give him the immunity idol I would be promising him that I was going to play the idol at the next council and that his name would be on one of the ballots.
Kenny would be forced to figure out a way to divide the votes up so someone else had 2 votes to protect himself.
All Bob would need to do is figure out who Kenny orchestrated to get those two votes and vote for that person.
Unfortunately Bob confesses to the fake idol scam and will probably pay the price for it.
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| 32 | philflyboy
ID: 266361710
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 06:32
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Bob might not win but he did put a real hurting on Kenny's chance to win now too. Kenny will be exposed on how he turned on his alliance and now nobody will trust him.
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| 33 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 13:02
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Kenny wanted to smoke out the HII from Bob/Corrine since he did not know it was fake. So why didn't Ken just leave the appearence to his alliance mates that all is well and have he and Crystal just vote for Corrine which would have made it 5-2 and not made Matty, Sugar and Suzie suspicious. The 5 would have been invalidated by the HII if it was real and Matty would have been bye-bye regardless of how Ken voted, so why expose his flip. Ken could have retained his current positive status with everyone in camp on both sides (Corrine and Bob both like Ken too). Now his flipping was exposed. Even if Kenny was paranoid that Bob and Corrine could be double crossing him and be putting his name on their vote, Ken being the lone person putting Matty down would not have helped.
If Ken really wanted Matty gone, then Corrine and Bob mis-read the opportunity to come clean by staying with the desparate 'we have the idol' ploy and just worked with Ken on getting Crystal's support. If Bob and Corrine really did have the hidden idol to go with the regular immunity idol, there would have been no need to try to make a play for Ken and Crystal, they could have sat back and played it, and rode it out for 1 more tribal.
Ken exposed himself unnecesarily. Bob misplayed two straight tribal councils, first by humiliating Randy, second by not working on a better plan to try to secure his one remaining alliance-mate. If we thought an episode ago that Bob and Sugar perhaps were teaming up, this episode kind of shows that is not the case.
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| 34 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 09:26
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Yeah I didn't understand at all why Kenny told Crystal to vote for Corinne and that he would vote for Matty.
I think Kenny is a pretty smart guy, maybe he had his reason, but I've got NO clue.
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| 35 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 10:03
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Bob is pretty amazing. As soon as I saw the reward challenge, I knew Bob was going to be on the winning team and was wondering why he wasn't the first person selected.
For an old physics professor he really is holding his own, both physically, but even moreso, with his brain. His little inventions, immunity idols, etc, are all pretty impressive.
The one question I have is, where did Bob get all the beads and pendants he used to build that second immunity idol? I have to believe there isn't a Craft Depot in Gabon....
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| 36 | C1-NRB
ID: 17101168
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 10:26
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The one question I have is, where did Bob get all the beads and pendants he used to build that second immunity idol? I have to believe there isn't a Craft Depot in Gabon....
It looks like pieces of a real necklace/piece of jewelry. I haven't gone back and re-watched the show, but my suspicion is that he got something from his wife and re-worked it to appear more "African" so it could pass as an immunity necklace.
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| 37 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 11:20
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After Bob shut down Sugar for the humiliation of Randy he regained my respect.
It is too bad he didnt realize what the true alliance was.
His plan was brilliant if only he could have targeted the right person.
If he had gone to Kenney and said that he a Corrine were voting for Crystal it would have forced Kenney to come up with an alternate plan.
Kenney did not care if Matty went home but he would not have allowed Crystal to be voted off.
He would have been forced to tell Crystal and Susie about the plan and they would have to vote for either Matty or Sugur just to protect Crystal.
Of course this is easy for us to figure out after the fact because we get to see who the alliances are.
It was a great plan just unlucky he didnt get it excecuted correctly.
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| 38 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:24
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I just thought it was funny that a second fake immunity idol plan fooled people only 3 days apart!
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| 39 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 13:42
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Only two shows left (1 + finale). Anybody have any info on how they're going to eliminate people? Two on Thursday, three on Sunday? How many face the final jury?
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| 40 | Fairplay
ID: 211114218
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 15:36
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35/36 I think I read somewhere that Bob took little pieces from his and Corrinne's tribal torch. They didn't use a lot of material because they didn't want the torches to look noticably different.
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| 41 | philflyboy
ID: 266361710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 16:23
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was Bob on the reward challenge when all the girls got the red dresses? He might have been able to find things there too
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| 42 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 16:45
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Bob, Kenny, Crystal, Sugar, old lady, Matty
one gets dumped on Thursday, leaving 5.
Then 2 tribal counsils on Sunday, leaving 3...then the jury picks amongst the 3 (although sometimes it's 2 finalists)
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| 43 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 09:24
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This has been a wierd season, the power brokers one week are the ones against the ropes a few weeks later.
When Bob picked Crystal and Ken to go on the reward with him and Suzie for exile, Sugar was left alone with Matty just enough to feel sympathetic to his outsider status and change her end-game (if she even had one). I'm not sure if Bob was going for that to save his own hide, or it just lucked out for him that way. I thought Kenny had the best plan to keep telling Crystal what to do knowing if he could have been left standing at the end with Crystal and one other, she would not take any final votes. If he could have ended up with any of the two remaining women, (especially if he was with Crystal and Suzie at the end) perhaps it may have become the first unanimous final vote. Kenny now will have trouble winning sitting next to any combo of Bob/Matty/Sugar after last night's council. Sugar may have gained a few jury points back by showing she can be strategic and taking out Crystal, who no one on the jury could stomach winning. Nice guy Kenny is starting to look too controlling which can lose later favor among the jury - blatantly telling the other 4 to outright lie to Bob after the IC and before TC, practically challenging Bob and his integrity at the jury by pressing the angle that Bob must give him his immunity at TC (the smiles on the jury's faces after Bob announced we would keep immunity showed no one was buying it), and just his blatant overacting that people are now starting to see through.
I'm not sure there is a clear favorite, should be an interesting finale. I think anyone but Suzie can win this.
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| 44 | C1-NRB
ID: 17101168
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 10:09
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That was one of the best TC I've ever seen. I'm going to go back to my earlier statement in post 25 that Sugar is the only one who plays like she's seen the show before.
The thing that will keep her from garnering votes from the jury will be that she can't keep a straight face when voting someone off. She's too much into the humiliation angle to win anyone back to her side.
Suzie is the best person to keep in the final three. The game has shown that since Season 2: Australia that hangers-on are not to be rewarded. I could see any of the others getting million dollar votes from various jury members.
Randy and Crystal are the only votes I feel comfortable that I can accurately predict. They will vote for anyone EXCEPT Bob or Sugar.
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| 45 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 10:44
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Setting Bob as the odds on favorite right now...
Kenny should be the next vote out if he does not get immunity.
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| 47 | Fairplay
ID: 211114218
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 02:55
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I also in loving how Sugar is playing the game. I thought at first that Bob was going to give his immunity idol to Kenny. If so, Sugar could have given her idol to Bob but it all worked out ok.
Keeping Matty is a risk of course but I suspect it will help Sugar's cause to see Kenny knocked out next.
Two things are for sure: Sugar can not win and neither can Susie. Too many votes against them both.
That leaves Bob, Matty and Kenny. I don't see Kenny lasting past the next council so it comes down to either Bob or Matty winning this thing.
I'm okay with either one.
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| 48 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 10:59
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I can see Bob, Matty and Sugar going to the final council together. Any of those three's chances will be just as good, if not better by going with each other. Screwing Kenny and Susie won't cost them any votes from the jury, especially if they do it together. Bob screwing Matty or Matty screwing Bob will probably cost them votes. If Sugar screwed Matty or Bob, she probably would lose whatever favor from the jury that she gained by screwing Crystal and Kenny, which would hurt her already slim chances.
So I'm calling Bob, Matty, Sugar final 3. Bob wins.
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| 49 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 12:27
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I thought at first that Bob was going to give his immunity idol to Kenny. If so, Sugar could have given her idol to Bob but it all worked out ok.
That's exactly what I was saying to the family going into tribal council and it's the way I thought it would go down. But Bob wasn't "forced" to keep his word and give Kenny immunity because he trusted that Sugar had a plan (maybe she told him what it was and we didn't get to see.) He was true to his word when he said, "If I thought there was any chance of Kenny going home, I'd give him immunity;" there was no chance of that happening, so he kept it, perhaps not completely trusting Sugar.
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| 50 | Fairplay
ID: 211114218
Sun, Dec 14, 2008, 00:56
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Bob's a pretty sharp cookie, that's for sure. Certainly, Survivor has seen more than its share of idiots ***coughJamescough*** that had the immunity idol and either they didn't play it or they gave it away foolishly.
Bob knew it was certain that he was in the top 5 if he kept the immunity idol. And he equally knew that the other four had absolutely no ties to him whatsoever to keep him around since they were on opposing forces.
By keeping the idol and not really offending Kenny in the process, Bob did the right thing. Sugar, by switching alliances, also did the right thing. But interestingly enough, NOBODY forced Sugar's idol to come out the entire game! Was anybody besides me surprised at this?
Perfect time to blindside her came and went on numerous occasions and yet not one plan was conceived to get her to waste it away.
Even when everybody knew that this past week was the last time the Idol could/should and would be played, nobody concocted a plan to write her name down...just in case. Simply amazing.
Obviously, from the beginning, both Bob and Sugar were unlikely to last many days at all. Bob was considered all-brain, no brawn; Sugar was considered...well....neither! And yet these two have been the most interesting of all the characters on the show. Well done by both of them.
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| 51 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 09:51
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Interesting final TC. I think we have a record and all seven jurists asked a self indulgent question to the finalists. Most all of the final votes this time around were negative votes against someone instead of for the winner.
I liked Kenny most of the season, but in the last two episodes and the finale, I feel like he came off as a huge jerk. I do not know what to make of Corrine and Randy, they seem to have real self esteem issues they'll need to work through. I am usually non judgmental and understand their tv edited persona can sometimes be one dimensional, but most every Survivor contestent talks about the experience being a sort of eye-opening, life-changing, or priority-setting epiphony, I think these two just didn't get what everyone else seems to, instead sticking to this persona they kind of built up to themselves. In all that vanity in the last episodes, at least Bob was a feel-good winner. When Bob and Matty had their fire-build-off for the final spot in the final-three, I think we all had a feeling that a million dollars was riding on the winner.
Susie came up 1 vote short of Bob from what would have been a most shocking result. If one of the 4 Bob votes went to Sugar, I wonder what would have happened with a tie between Bob and Susie. I do not think the show ever revealed. Certainly co-winners would leave many disapointed. A fire challenge? That would be pretty anti-climatic. Perhaps Probst would have read the votes immediately at TC, then the jury would re-vote based on the remaining two. (Or perhaps the newly ousted Sugar would have been asked to cast the tie breaker).
Season 18 is in Brazil, dubbed "Survivor Tocantins, the Brazilian Highlands", it begins airing Feb 12, 2009.
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| 52 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 10:50
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Oh yeah. I always loved the final immunity challenge at competition's end. It is always a mind-over-matter how-bad-do-you-want-it endurance competition. Those marathon 3+ hour challenges really reveals something about the finalists, either desire or level of confidence.
The house of cards game at best should have been a reward challenge, not a final immunity challenge. The only things worse would have been a quiz, or drawing straws.
Everyone always makes sure the physical threats are out of the way going into that challenge, and if a surprise weak person won the challenge, you at least left with a new respect for that person.
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| 53 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 11:22
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Yeah, the house of cards game was very weak. And why they limited it to a half hour is beyond me. I still am shocked that Susie received 3 votes. I'm guessing if it did finish tied, whoever voted for Sugar would've basically picked the winner.
I can't STAND Corinne, I get the feeling she's trying to be the Johnny Fairplay of the season, just wanting any attention possible. At least Randy was being funny, even if he said he wasn't.
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| 54 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 11:34
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I will never really understand why 90% of jury members are so bitter. Every one seems to want to equate the game to real life...it is a game. People lie in the game...expect it.
Bob definitely deserved the win...would have been interesting if Susie had not won the challenge...Matty probably wins vs Bob and Sugar.
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| 55 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 12:02
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If Susie would have won it would have ruined the wholse show.
The only reason she was still there for the final challenge was because she was percieved as the weakest player.
Shut up already about winning the final immunity.
We understand you are amazed and cant believe that you won the challenge.
The reason we know this is from the first 20 times you informed us of your amazement.
At the 2nd to last TC she revealed that she wasnt even flying under the radar, she was just the puppet waiting for someone to "tell me who we were voting for".
She would have been the most undeserving winner ever.
I thought Sugar should have rationalized her last vote to be that she couldnt decide between her "brother and father" and that they should decide with the fire building challenge.
The jury didnt disappoint with their "no fair you stabbed me in the back before I could stab you in the back" bitterness.
I was glad to see that none of the finalist made meaningless apologies to garner votes.
Other than Susie there were no contestants that I didnt dislike and other than Bob there were no contestants that i was really rooting for.
I have to question Sugar's claim that she cont go out without being followed.
Something isnt right there.
It says on her bio that she is a pinup model.
Do we still have pinup models?
When you say pinup model I think of someone in their 60's or 70's.
A good show and I am looking forward to Feb 12.
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| 56 | Balrog
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ID: 02856618
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 13:25
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I thought it was strange that they didn't even mention Sugar's real job, especially when then had Crystal prove she was a medalist.
Sugar's been acting regularly for like nine years including a stint on "Gilmour Girls". Here's her credits on IMDB. She's done a bit of modeling but she's primarily an actress. She's by no means a household name, but she's more successful than most.
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| 57 | threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 19:14
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if susie won i would never watch survivor again.
she wins 1 immunity challenge and now she's worthy of winning? oh right, because she tried. anyone on the show long enough to make the jury tried.
people seriously need to get over themselves. it's "who deserves the million dollars" not "who f-ed me over and pissed me off the most."
this of course will never happen.
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| 58 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 23:54
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Allow myself to quote, myself: Suzie is the best person to keep in the final three. The game has shown that since Season 2: Australia that hangers-on are not to be rewarded.
I did miss part of this one, though, in the same post: Randy and Crystal are the only votes I feel comfortable that I can accurately predict. They will vote for anyone EXCEPT Bob or Sugar.
All in all I'd ahve to say this was one of the better seasons in the last few. Apparently Probst was blowing smoke when he said (from post #1):, “By the time this season is over, you can make the case that maybe this is the dumbest team when it comes to idol play.” I think the "real" idol play was great and Bob's fake idol plays were even better.
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| 59 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 00:04
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I wonder if he was talking about throwing the idol in the ocean?
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| 60 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 14:47
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Hmm. That'd be the only explanation that makes any sense. But what else were they supposed to do with it there? Thumb wrestle for the right to have it forced out at the next TC?
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| 61 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 15:03
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Here's a fun idea...they should've made up their own immunity challenge...winner gets to do what they want with it at the next tribal counsil
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| 62 | philflyboy
ID: 20932156
Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 15:15
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I really like that idea!! It would be a great addition to Survivor if they made the contestants come up with a few challenges. It would probably break out in fights because they couldn't agree on the challenge but it would be fun watching.
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| 63 | Chuck
ID: 3511422822
Mon, Dec 29, 2008, 00:00
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Speaking of ideas... living up in Minnesota, I wonder when they'll actually do Survivor in a COLD climate. It would be a twist that us northerners would appreciate!
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| 64 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Mon, Dec 29, 2008, 09:50
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Cold = no bikinis = no ratings
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| 65 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Dec 29, 2008, 15:30
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Cold is probably too dangerous. Hypothermia and frost bite are too dangerous to mess with.
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