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Subject: Survivor - Season 18 - Tocantins
Posted by: JeffG
- Leader [01584348] Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 16:52
The 16 contestants for Season 18 was revealed yesterday. Season is dubbed 'Survivor: Tocantins -- The Brazilian Highlands'. Official Site
This season's group looks like the usual mix. It includes three models (female), the wife of Eddie George of NFL fame who is also a Grammy Award nominee, a 19 year old college sophomore, a US Army Sergeant, and a multi-millionaire entrepreneur (cue Gilligan music).
CBS has not revealed much yet in terms of gimmicks or differences in the rules for this season.
During the season's filming back in September, a member of the crew, Alton Desiree, drowned after being instructed to fix something underwater for the show.
Season gets underway Feb 12. |
| 1 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 17:14
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Season starts this Thursday 2/12
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| 2 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 570422522
Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 23:23
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I thought that was one of the better opening episodes ever. Great camera work, new twists in the game, good challenge, early blindside...
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| 3 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 10:12
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What is 10 paces? lol
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| 4 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 11:25
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"I will just have to outsmart everyone".
What is a pace?
What is a palm tree?
"Oh goody goody I get to fly in a helicopter while the rest of you get to bond on a 4 hour grueling walk carrying all of our supplies".
Bonehead move of the day.....getting yourself voted off by being annoying and talking down to everyone.
Sandy and Carolina....Dumb and Dumber.
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| 5 | threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 11:56
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hopefully the pace god can help my second half basketball team hahaha
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| 6 | beastiemiked
ID: 40155223
Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 12:21
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Got a feeling Coach is going to make this season really enjoyable.
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| 7 | JeffG
ID: 47112621
Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 22:40
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Probst to Newsday: "Tocantins will go down as a 'great' 'Survivor' season primarily due to our contestants... Plus, [there are] a record number of blindsides and an exile island that is so desolate it nearly destroys a few Survivors."
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| 8 | Tuques
Sustainer
ID: 28821296
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 07:35
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Anyone can tell me if Survivor is on this week or there is a week of and then next week on Wednesday and then back on Thursday the week after....
Tuques
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| 9 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 08:27
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PRetty sure it is not on this week.
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| 10 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 08:42
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there is a week off and then next week on Wednesday and then back on Thursday the week after....
Tuques
Confirmed
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| 11 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 3218189
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 10:29
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What a disappointing episode last night...so wanted to see coach blindsided...I am sure it is yet to come.
Brendan turned out to be a pretty genuinely good guy...sorry to see him go. I guess you can be that way when you sell your company for 100 million:
link
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| 12 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 16:50
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I actually thought last night was an excellent episode.
You had everyone claiming they were going to vote for JT and he ends up without a single vote.
I'm not sure but I think even JT was saying he was going to vote for JT.
I liked the fact that they were able to put a plan together and actually pull it off without someone blabbing and ruining it.
I thought for sure the plan would fall apeart the week before when there was no tribal council.
In the end you had two very well planned blind sides with both of the masterminds at risk.
Voting out coach would be a huge mistake.
It is getting close to deciding who you want sitting next to you in the finals.
Coach in the finals = auto win for someone.
For the record....coach doesnt lie.....he just takes embellishment to a new level.
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| 13 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 17:16
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First- props to the editors/producers for this one. I was sure it would be either Coach or Sierra and that the Brendan storyline from last week was dead.
Re 11 and 12: When the episode ended I was mad that Coach was still around. I just knew he'd get the ax because of how smug he was. But the same could be said about "Mr. I've Got the Hidden Immunity Idol", too. The more I thought about it, though, what two other "heels" besides Coach and/or Tyson would you want next to you when the final votes get cast if you're a "face"?
Big props to Taj and Steven for having the guts to screw Brendan like they did. Sierra's "smart" play now is to "out" the former Exile Alliance (Taj, Steven, and late-comer JT) to Coach, Tyson, and Erinn so they can smoke out the other Hidden Immunity Idols. But the previews indicate they don't think Sierra is smart enough to be a mastermind, which could be good for her if she convinces the Exile Alliance she needs to stick around if she chooses not to out them.
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| 14 | WiddleAvi
ID: 343531513
Thu, Apr 23, 2009, 23:51
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Wow !!
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| 15 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 00:15
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I don't know if there's an Emmy category for Editing of a Reality/Game Show, but if there is Survivor: Tocantins should win it this season.
They really played that one up right. "Just a passing hint that something 'might' happen, but only because if we don't give you a taste of a blindside we wouldn't be doing our job. Gotcha."
I didn't think they'd pull it off because of two things:
1. Coach's talk with JT about "looking him in the eye and knowing his word was honorable." I didn't think JT would balk on Coach.
2. I figured Sierra would write "Coach" again just for spite, thereby screwing herself if JT didn't flip. Then it would've been four against her (Coach, JT, Tyson, and Debbie) three against Tyson (Taj, Stephen, and Erinn) and her vote agianst Coach. When did she know to vote for Tyson? Lucky guess on her part?
Now Coach starts the real psychological warfare on Sierra and JT trying to flip them back. I still say keep him around because the only jury vote he'll have is Tyson and maybe Debbie if she's not a finals coat-tailer.
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| 16 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 00:40
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That was BY FAR the best blindside...EVER!!!!
LOVED IT!!!!
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| 17 | WiddleAvi
ID: 343531513
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 08:45
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C1-NRB - Who would you rather be sitting against in the final, Coach who had a plan and until yesterday did a pretty good job of it or Sierra who just did what she was told with no plan ? I would rather kick coach off and go against Sierra. Whats her case for winning ? I rode everyone's coattails with no strategy of my own ?
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| 18 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 09:22
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Both. Coach made everyone one mad along the way. Nobody liked Sierra from Day 1 for reasons that escape me, other than she's a dolt. All the remaining players have a pretty good case against both of them.
Stephen and Taj are the best "minds" still in the game. Brendan set them up pretty good when he and Taj put together the Exile Alliance. If either of them are up against Caoch and Sierra they win.
JT is the guy everybody likes. He wins vs. Coach and Sierra (and practically anyone else, for that matter.)
Erinn went along with the "Tyson Surprise" so she gets all those jury members' votes by labeling Sierra as a coattailer.
Debbie has the weakest case right now. She really needs to step up and start making some things happen in order to build a case for herself. She could lose in a Coach/Sierra/Debbie finals.
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| 19 | weykool
ID: 292442910
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 09:48
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The look on Sierra's face when Tyson recieved his 3rd vote was priceless.
That sudden realization that "hey...I might not be going home afterall".
Looking forward to next week when coach confronts his look in they eye buddy and then has to suck up to Sierra.
In the previews Coach asks Sierra where her loyalties lie.
Answer:
"With people who didnt write my name down last night".
I think this final might only be a 2 person affair.
There are only 7 left with 2 on the jury.
6 on the jury with 3 in the finals doesnt seem right.
I wonder if the elimination of Joe for medical reasons messed up the plans.
Perhaps whe would have been juror #1.
Fantastic episode and looking forward to the aftermath.
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| 20 | katietx
ID: 201411622
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 17:29
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Lucky me. We didn't get Survivor last night due to the damn basketball game. No hint of if it will be replayed. grrrr
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| 21 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 18:24
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Lucky me. We didn't get Survivor last night due to the damn basketball game. No hint of if it will be replayed. grrrr
Go to CBS.com to watch full episodes.
Commercials are only 30 seconds so its actually better than watching TV.
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| 22 | katietx
ID: 201411622
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 23:30
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I figured I could do that. Thanks. I don't give a flying flip about basketball - but San Antonio is over the moon for the Spurs.
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| 23 | Tuques@Home
ID: 52923417
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 08:41
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I agree this was by far the best blindside in Survivor history and I'm so happy about it, I just couldn't stand Tyson he was way to coky... I really like the part when he says to Sierra that she's just not smart enough to pull it out and then get voted out not seeing it coming, priceless....
Tuques
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| 24 | barilko6
ID: 5438259
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 10:08
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Quick question. Since Tyson was already eliminated before the last ballot was needed, my question is, do the survivors get to see the rest of the unneeded ballots? (In this case, 1)
I know we as viewers see them as the survivors hold them up during the closing credits, but do the survivors themselves get to see what was left in the box?
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| 25 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 11:34
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Quick question. Since Tyson was already eliminated before the last ballot was needed, my question is, do the survivors get to see the rest of the unneeded ballots? (In this case, 1)
No. In the past Jeff has said something like, "Fifth person voted off of Survivor: Tocantins, ____. That's enough. Bring me your torch. It's not necessary to read the remaining vote(s)."
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| 26 | barilko6
ID: 263232512
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 13:23
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Ok...so then quite conceivably, JT could insist to Coach that he also voted for Sierra...
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| 27 | WiddleAvi
ID: 343531513
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 14:31
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barilko6 - I thought all the votes were needed. It was 4-3 against tyson with one vote left which made it 5-3 so all votes were needed.
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| 28 | barilko6
ID: 263232512
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 14:46
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Oh...true
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| 29 | miracle9406
ID: 233223022
Thu, Apr 30, 2009, 23:22
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What do all of them have against Sierra? I don't even get it. Yeah,
she's pretty stupid, but I would much rather want her to win over
Coach. But the Reward Challenge tonight made me realize how
much everybody dislikes Sierra, which confuses me. Any
explanations?
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| 30 | Donavan
ID: 30344226
Fri, May 01, 2009, 00:38
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As with any other Survivor episode, we are only privy to the heavy editing job of the PTB's on Survivor.
I suspect that there was a whole lot more drama with Sierra than there was with any other person. Since JT, Steven, etc. had the numbers on their side, it was a safe play to get rid of her now instead of risking keeping her and watching her swap sides like she was prone to do.
The bigger issue--at leat the way I see it---is that the JT, Steven, Taj trifecta might be showing some signs of strained relations. Both JT and Steven voted for Sierra while Taj voted for Debbie.
Debbie, FWIW, is totally worthless to me. I don't trust her, don't like her, wish she would've got the axe tonight. I have no doubt she'll bury Coach (and vice-versa) the first moment she can.
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| 31 | WiddleAvi
ID: 343531513
Fri, May 01, 2009, 09:07
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Donavan - They might have voted that way to protect against any immunity idol possibility. I thought the wierd vote was Erin voting for Steven. Was she mad at him for sending her to exile ?
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| 32 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 3218189
Fri, May 01, 2009, 09:17
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I think dumping Sierra was a bad idea...yes she is a wild card but Debbie was the better move...she is not a wildcard...you know she is going to scheme and backstab at first opportunity. You pretty much had to know Sierra was never going to align with coach...let her stick around...she was not a threat...use her.
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| 33 | Father Goose
ID: 11444115
Fri, May 01, 2009, 16:44
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30...Don't know about any strained relations with those three yet. But you know it's going to happen and happen soon.
31....Erin's vote was kinda weird wasn't it? But she did tell Sierra that she would vote for her. So why didb't she put Debbie's name down? Hmmm...
Meanwhile, who is in the actual possession of the immunity idol? We know there were two of them and we know (or at least I think we know) that Brendan sat on his when he got voted out. I don't think they put that back in the game yet have they?
32...Got to agree with you about Debbie. She was so mean to Sierra when Sierra questioned her and accused/proved she was lying. I can imagine just what kind of principal she is. She's a backstabber alright but like they say, the devil you can see is better than the one you can't, right?
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| 34 | WiddleAvi
ID: 343531513
Fri, May 01, 2009, 17:09
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I think it was a big mistake to vote out Sierra. I think Steven, JT & Taj are planning on them being in the final 3. The question is wouldn't each of them rather be in the final against Coach & Sierra ?
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| 35 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 3218189
Fri, May 01, 2009, 17:22
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The missing immunity idol. I think there is a chance someone in the game has it and it gets used in an upcoming episode without anyone expecting it. Could be a game changer. Just seems like the fact that it is not reappearing on exile means it is still in the game.
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| 36 | WiddleAvi
Sustainer
ID: 361032112
Fri, May 01, 2009, 18:14
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Does anyone remember who found the fake Idol that Taj made and hid ?
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| 37 | Father Goose
ID: 11444115
Fri, May 01, 2009, 18:33
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Don't know if anybody has seen this but it's a great read of Jeff Probst's latest blog:
Probst talks Survivor
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| 38 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Fri, May 01, 2009, 18:54
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Joe had the fake Idol.
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| 39 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 591302518
Sat, May 02, 2009, 15:17
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Probst blog is very good...hilarious stuff about coach. He provides good insight into the game...honorary gurupie.
Funny...I always thought of this angle so an alliance could control the outcome of this challenge.
"INSIGHT: Last night's reward challenge - where the tribe members try to guess who was voted ''biggest pain in the ass'' and other things like that - has run its course. I think we need to avoid this challenge for a while because I think what happened this year is that the Survivors had already discussed amongst themselves whose name they were going to write down if this challenge came up. I can't prove it, but that's my guess. I don't think we'll be seeing this one again for a while."
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| 40 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Mon, May 04, 2009, 23:53
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An Immunity Idol hasn't been re-introduced because one hasn't been played yet. As soon as one comes into play, assuming that it's not played during a Final Five (or is it Final Four?), new clues would appear at Exile.
Help me out here- the two original idols that were buried on the beaches were never found, correct? Sierra had the clue and Brendan (?) was helping her dig for it but they never found it (fire pit excuse) and the old lady didn't know what a pace was so that one never saw the light of day, either. So the only one in play is the one Steven hid; and isn't he the only one who knows where it is?
As far as this last episode- yes, we're at the mercy of the editors. I was surprised Debbie wasn't voted out since it was JT and Steven's plan. We never saw them approach anyone else about it, so my thinking before the votes were read was JT, Steven, Sierra, and Taj vote for Debbie; Coach, Erin, and Debbie vote for Sierra. Then Steven's name showed up on a ballot, so I'm thinking- Coach threw that vote away because he knew everyone else was against Sierra and "I'll show you how magnanimous I am, Sierra, I won't vote you out." That would've been a tie vote (Sierra/Debbie) and it would've gone to a tie-breaker. I understand why Erin did it, but I wasn't thinking it was her.
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| 41 | Skidazl
ID: 280401016
Tue, May 05, 2009, 18:01
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Help me out here- the two original idols that were buried on the beaches were never found, correct?
True, and I think they were only good for the first tribal their respective tribe went to, thus null and void now. Steven has the other idol hidden only where he knows. I think Taj and JT know about it, thought not sure on that last point.
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| 42 | WiddleAvi
Sustainer
ID: 361032112
Fri, May 08, 2009, 13:12
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How funny was it with Coach saying to his friend that he is running this game and is a lock for the final 2 ?
Granted we are watching everything edited down, but I question the strategy of some players. Taj, JT & Steven have what might be the strongest alliance I have seen. Coach must be crazy or really believe is own BS to think that he is running the game. It should be obvious to him that JT & Steven are making all the calls. If I was Coach or Debbie I would be going to Erin and telling her that she is on the outside looking in of her alliance and she has a better chance joining Coach & Debbie. Then it is 3 vs. 3. I don't get Debbie & Coach trying to get in with JT & Steven. How can they not see that even if they join they are on the bottom of the totem pole ?
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| 43 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Fri, May 08, 2009, 13:18
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Somewhat of an uneventful night with Debbie going home.
You have to wonder why JT and Steven didnt bring Coach into the plan and let him know that Debbie was plotting against him.
Will Coach be dumb enough to thank everyone for keeping him out of the loop again?
Not much of a dragonslayer when half of the jury is comprised of people you had nothing to do with putting them there.
It seems that JT and Steven are firmly in control.
I have a hard time seeing a Coach/Taj/Errin counter alliance.
If JT and Steven turn on each other it could get interesting but I dont see that happening.
It was interesting to rewatch the first episode and see Steven talking about how would he ever have anything in common with someone like JT.
Thus far they have been one of the most dominant pair in survivor history.
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| 44 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, May 08, 2009, 16:02
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I agree with the Coach comments. He orchestrated the removal of Brendan. What has he done since?
Tyson was his boy: Gone.
Debbie was his girl: Gone.
Big Man got rid of Sierra- all by himself, no less! DragonSlayer Extrordinaire! Give me a break.
JT and Steven-Thus far they have been one of the most dominant pair in survivor history.
If they stay tight it could be a very interesting final vote.
I'd put JT and Steven up there with Rob and Amber with out the romance (a "bromance" maybe?); they did pretty well for themselves.
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| 45 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Thu, May 14, 2009, 22:02
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JT and Steven-Thus far they have been one of the most dominant pair in survivor history.
If they stay tight it could be a very interesting final vote.
So Steven blows it.
One hat a consultant wears is the one that tells people what they don't want to hear. Now he's really got to turn on his consultant charm to convince JT what he did was for the best. Let's see how good Steven is at his job.
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| 46 | WiddleAvi
Sustainer
ID: 361032112
Thu, May 14, 2009, 22:59
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C1-NRB - I don't think there are any issues. I am sure Steven knew that JT would vote Erin. I am sure they planned on Taj, Erin, & Steven voting coach would be enough and that way JT could stay true to his word.
I still question the strategy of the underdogs. If I am Erin or Coach I would have been telling Taj how close JT & Steven are and that her best chance is the break off her alliance.
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| 47 | C1-NRB
ID: 31050820
Fri, May 15, 2009, 00:07
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But it was my understanding that Steven and JT agreed to keep Coach. Of course, we didn't see Steven and JT confer about Steven voting for Coach and it could've happened but I don't think that's the way it went down. I think Steven went renegade and surprised JT.
The preview said there would be 3 tribal councils on the finale so it will be a two-person final. The only way Erinn sticks around is by winning both immunities. It will be an interesting night, that's for sure.
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| 48 | Captain Charisma
ID: 13433923
Fri, May 15, 2009, 00:44
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I have no problem with them finally(!)getting rid of Coach. It rids the camp of his needless meanderings and unamusing anecdotes. I feel absolutely no compassion or remorse for the man or whatever ails him. He has brought all of this on himself. Good riddance!
Erinn is a tool and everybody knows it. No way she can win this show.
JT & Stephen have hit a very small bump in their relationship but I suspect it'll mend just fine. Stephen will convince JT that the smart play was to get rid of Coach now because Erinn is no threat to win immunity of any kind.
Once again, all the racket with the hidden immunity idols came to no fruition. It was never used; never threatened to be used, etc. What a waste. We wasted a lot of airtime over something that meant absolutely nothing this season. What good was that?
But seeing Coach on Exile Island was well worth the time tonight. I just hope that he still hasn't ate anything since. (I'm only half-joking.)
Who wins this year? Hard to vote against JT. If he's in the Finals, he wins against anybody.
If it's Stephen vs. anybody but JT, Stephen wins.
Taj only wins over Errin.
All in all, a very decent season.
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| 49 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 3218189
Fri, May 15, 2009, 10:14
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It was fun to see coach go. I think JT and Stephen planned on the vote going exactly that way...Coach actually performing in the challenges pretty much sealed his fate as having to go now.
As big of a douche as coach was/is...he was still good for the show. I have to admit the guy was entertaining...so full of sh*t...always gave me a good laugh.
This is JTs game to lose at this point but he better plan on winning challenges because I think he is now on the chopping block. The remaining contestants know they can't beat him in the finals.
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| 50 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Fri, May 15, 2009, 15:01
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Once again I have to question voting off Coach.
If you are in the finals with Coach is there any chance you dont win 7-0?
My only thinking would be that Errin might be just as easy to beat but there would be less chance of her winning immunity and deciding who would be sitting next to her.
Coach talking about himself in the 3rd person was priceless.
It really makes Weykool mad when people talk about themselves in the 3rd person.
Part of me wonders is Coach isnt like Perterman from Seinfeld.
He reads a story somewhere about someone escaping from cannibal pygmies and decides to "make that a Peterman"[Coach].
I would give Coach props on his poem if it had come from anyone but him.
The Drama Queen is so full of himself.
With friend and foe we march to the battle plain
Some to seek success others to seek fame
We play with honor for the love of this game
And with armor or without we will toil in vain
So that someday someone somewhere will remember our name.
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| 51 | WiddleAvi
Sustainer
ID: 361032112
Sun, May 17, 2009, 23:22
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Best final episode that I can remember just for the fact that you didn't really get the usuall 'you backstabbed me before I could backstab you' BS. Very surprised that JT took Stephen to the final but I think he had it won no once he won final immunity. And was Stephen serious when he said that their friendship would not be the same if JT did not take him to the final ? I just hope that JT gets some good advisors.
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| 52 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Mon, May 18, 2009, 11:13
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100% agree Widdle.
The opening statements had to be the best ever.
Both laid out their reasons to vote FOR them without apologizing or sucking up to the jury.
One of the reason there wasnt much whinning was because most of the jury was not in the warrior alliance and had only themselves to blame for not sticking together.
Taj (or Tag as JT calls her) had a little bit of a complaint but she kept it short.
In the wrap up show JT admitted that he was just performing when he looked like he was really hurt by what Steven was saying.
He even made a comment that he would like to get into business with Steven so I think there are zero hard feelings there.
A great season and looking forward to Samoa.
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| 53 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 3218189
Mon, May 18, 2009, 13:46
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I definitely enjoyed this season. JT and Stephen played it well pretty much all the way through. JT was going to win once he won immunity and I think Stephen was probably his better choice as Taj would have voted for Erin and I think Erin would have been a bit of a wildcard with her entire former tribe as the jury. JT would have still won but IMO Stephen was more of the sure thing...it was pretty obvious everyone sort of fell in love with JT and was going to be happy to see him win.
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| 54 | weykool
ID: 4694122
Mon, May 18, 2009, 16:20
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I think it is time to introduce the runnerup rule for the 100K prize.
Last season it was the same thing.
The winner also took home the 100K.
Not to say 100K isnt a lot of money but somehow it doesnt mean the same to someone who just won 10 times that amount.
Anyone want to guess how much Coach had to pay the woman to be in the audience?
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| 55 | tastethewaste
ID: 492231310
Mon, May 18, 2009, 23:13
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Stephen actually blew it starting with coach. Theres no way he shouldve voted coach if jt wasnt voting coach. that cost him a jury vote right there (though admittedly Coach probably wouldve voted for "warrior" over "wizard") Voting out taj was his 2nd mistake. At the very least with tajs lack of strategic skill you tell her to her face that they think of her as too big of a threat to face in front of the jury instead of blindsiding her. Stephen has taj's vote if he either tells her shes going at 4 or just waits at 3 to get rid of her. He also unneedingly put himself in jeopardy by leaving erinn in the game at 3. Erinn was going to strategize. Taj seemed fairly content with a 3rd place showing. I think if stephen decides to cut erinn at 5 coach at 4 and taj at 3 he doesnt lose taj's vote, he may get coach's vote and probably gets erinns vote. He may even have gotten Sierras vote (she obviously thought of stephen as a weasel once he started backstabbing people)
Finally, his jury performance i felt was woeful. Maybe as bad as amandas 2 jury performances. Stephen didnt realize he was not under oath and didnt have to answer debs question honestly. If he couldve convinced her that his man love for JT was real and definitely wouldve taken jt over erinn because that was the deal from the get go maybe he would have even gotten debs vote.
Stephen seemed to be the mastermind but then didnt follow through on that representing his case to the jury. In fact he said he and jt did everything together but then called JT a weasel for not voting out coach (who honored JTs integrity) and then tried to weasel his way out of his vote for taj by laying the blame at JTs feet and even saying JTs reasoning was that Taj was too big of a threat! Wouldnt that make taj feel better about her eviction?
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| 56 | barilko6
ID: 41336169
Wed, May 20, 2009, 12:22
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Yeah, from watching things, I thought Stephen's jury performance was absolutely brutal. From his arguing to his terrible answers, I was not at all surprised that he got 0 votes.
I would vote this as one of the worst jury performances of all time. Maybe he is more of a behind the scenes kind of guy.
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| 57 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Wed, May 20, 2009, 13:01
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Long, rambing post follows:
I have a hard time believing anyone can "win" votes from the jury during final tribal. I think they can lose votes, but not change anyone's mind to win them based on their own statements. I think jury votes are won during normal game interaction- how they treat people at camp, how they vote and who they ally themselves with during the game.
I also don't believe that a jury member "doesn't know who they're going to vote for," either. They may be leaning one way by a mere 50.1%, but they still have an inclination as to what they'll do. There was one obvious exception to this though: In an early season (5 or 6, or maybe the one with Clay and Brian in the finals) a jury member said, "Pick a number between 1 and 1,000" and the closest to her number got her vote. But she had been pretty flaky throughout anyway.
Out of curiosity, I went back and looked at all the previous winners and tried to remember my impressions of them and where they fit one of three categories: Good Guy, Bad Guy, or Coat Tailer (which includes Under-the-Radar players) and what role they had during Final Jury.
I can only come up with one Bad Guy that won- Richard Hatch in Season 1. He beat a Coat Tailer. The only other winner that I remember being close to a Bad Guy was Brian and he took a Worse Guy (Clay) with him to the Finals. But Brian wasn't a real BG in camp; he was smart enough to only show his manipulative BG-ness during the confessionals whereas Clay was "himself" the whole time.
I found a few Coat Tail winners. Tina in Season 2 was Queen of the Coat Tailers, riding Colby all the way to the million. Other CTs were Sandra, Amber (of Rob and Amber), Danni, and Parvati.
Everyone else played a Good Guy role, beginning with Ethan (Africa) and most recently Bob and JT.
Final observation that I've probably made before in other Survivor threads- It takes a 3 person alliance to guarantee a spot the Finals, even if you drop your third wheel as early as the Final Five to make a Final Four.
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| 58 | weykool
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Wed, May 20, 2009, 13:33
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In an early season (5 or 6, or maybe the one with Clay and Brian in the finals) a jury member said, "Pick a number between 1 and 1,000" and the closest to her number got her vote. But she had been pretty flaky throughout anyway.
Actually the first survivor winner won it based on a pick the number vote.
I think it was the guy that was voting for people based on alphabetical order.
His jury question was pick a number between 1 and 10 and Kelly picked 3 while Hatch picked 5.
The number was 7 and that blunder by Kelly not picking 5 first cost her a shot a 1 million.
It always irked to see Hatch opine about how he used some fantastic strategy when the truth was it came down to "Pick a number".
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| 59 | C1-NRB
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Wed, May 20, 2009, 13:41
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Actually the first survivor winner won it based on a pick the number vote.
I never saw Season 1 (I came in at Season 2) so I didn't know it was used then, too. But some girl did it based off the room number Annette Bancroft told Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate" because it was her "favorite movie and anyone who had really gotten to know [her] would've known that." Right...
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| 60 | tastethewaste
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Wed, May 20, 2009, 13:51
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it was greg who did that in season 1. and i think the girls name was kelly in africa...at least her vote didnt matter as she voted for the old timer and ethan won anyway.
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