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Subject: Internet Poker (Texas Hold 'em) Questions
Posted by: ukula
- [91018157] Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 08:50
I'm looking into starting to play some internet poker but I have some questions for you guys who have the experience. Some of these questions may be on the 'basic' side so please bear with me.
1. Are any of the poker sites far better than the others? I've played with play money at Party Poker and have heard that the number of fish may be higher at this site due to the fact that they advertise during the WPT on TV. Any thoughts?
2. What is the best/easiest way to fund an account?
3. I'm looking to grind out a profit over a long period of time by playing the percentages, would Limit be the best way to go?
4. Are higher average pot size (listed next to the tables on Party Poker) evidence of more fish?
5. Does anyone use any software (odds calculators) in conjunction with their online play?
6. How often do you switch tables so that your opponents don't get a consistent read on you?
7. Probably a stupid question - Does the new guy at the table always post a blind? If not, what would prevent someone from leaving a table before posting a blind and moving to another table with a more advantageous seat?
I'm sure I'll have more questions...........
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| 1 | FRICK
ID: 268522714
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 11:58
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7. Yes you have to post a Big Blind before you can play a hand, preventing what you mentioned from happening.
Most sites will allow to wait until the blinds come around to you, or you can post an additional big blind to into the action sooner.
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| 2 | culdeus
ID: 119141810
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 12:59
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3. Be careful right now bots are running amok and are concentrating on limit tables.
2. Neteller. Period.
4. No it just means there are more bullies. Pot size gets totalled if some bully goes AI with 2 grand over the top of someone with 200 bucks.
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| 3 | louky
ID: 24193023
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 13:12
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3. I've been playing small multis for a week or so with good success. 2 or 3 table no limit holdem. Three table (on Party Poker) pays 9 to 1 for the winner, down to 3 to 1 for 5th.
2. Neteller
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| 4 | bibA
Donor
ID: 261028117
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 11:05
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1. I have used both The Gaming Club Poker, and Party Poker. Party may have more fish, but that so often leads to frustration, as you will experience A LOT of bad beats on the river.
I believe The Gaming Club is based in the United Kingdom, and probably 60% of the players are from Europe. Two adjectives I can come up with are consistent and fair.
2. I also use Neteller, and have had no problems whatsoever. Funds can be transfered from the poker site to Neteller and then to your bank account rather fast.
6. On the larger sites such as Party, you won't need to change tables too much, as there are so many players, it is difficult getting used to individuals. If you find yourself at a table for a long time, you will see quite a bit of turnover, and if you are still there longer than most, you are probably winning!
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| 5 | KM
ID: 2510431211
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 11:42
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I hate to be the conspiracy theorist here, but PartyPoker does seem to disproportinately reward idiodic play. I don't have any data to back this up, your aces just won't win 80% all-in pre-flop like they should.
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| 6 | Hans Gruber
ID: 421035179
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 12:04
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I recently signed up with PokerStars, and I have no complaints so far. I played with 'play money' for a few months, and now I've moved up to low buy-in tournaments. You can play 9 or 18-way sit n' go's, the cheapest of which are $5.50 to enter ($5.00 for prizes, $.50 goes to PokerStars).
I've also played in some tourneys where the buy-in is only $3! It's a great way to practice without risking any serious money. And if you're lucky enough to win a $3 tournament, first place is usually about $1000.
As for regular money games, I'm not sure how PokerStars stands up to other sites as far as the rake goes. For now, being a beginner, I'm just going to stick to playing the low buy-in tourneys.
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| 7 | penngray
ID: 32104615
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 13:13
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partypoker.com is a realy good site!!!
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| 8 | Philio
ID: 3510261517
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 16:27
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I played both party poker and Ultimate Bet. I liked Ultimate bets format much better.
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| 9 | mtpoke25
Donor
ID: 462282320
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 18:46
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I'd suggest Pokerstars. In fact, they are running a 20% deposit bonus right now.
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| 10 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 20:38
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Here's a nifty little online tool that I have messed around with
It's free for 1,000 hands (you download them from the sites), the $55 to buy.
* Track your ring game and tournament play on multiple poker sites. Do you have an account on Paradise Poker, Poker Stars, etc.? No problem, Poker Tracker will allow you to import hand histories from each site and store them in the same database. Don't worry if your screen names are not the same either, Poker Tracker has a way to let you to combine the stats from multiple sites.
* Track your starting hands and with the various hand combinations see how many times you:
1) See the flop
2) Raise
3) Win money
4) And much more!
* Track your play by position. You can see how many times you call under the gun, from the cut-off, etc. Look at the amount of money you win by position. You can also see how you play short-handed or with a full table.
* Track your play by session/tournament.
* Track your hand results. You can see how many times you got a flush, full-house, etc. and how much money you made with each hand.
* Track your best and worst opponents. Find out whom you've won the most money from and who has won the most money from you.
* Track every player you have ever played against and keep detailed notes on each player. You can see how often they see the flop, raise pre-flop, check-raise, win at showdown and much more.
* Graphically replay your hands individually or replay entire sessions or even entire tournaments.
Most of the on-line poker sites allow you to keep notes on players and will give you statistics for your current session but Poker Tracker provides this and so much more.
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| 11 | Cwaras
ID: 61041192
Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 03:54
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I play exclusively on the gaming club and love it. You will see some idiotic players that have money to burn but I sense thats true with any gaming site.
In terms of grinding out a profit, Id actually tell you that no limit would be the best way to go, probably 25/50 no limit. Generally you see pots around $20 and is much easier to bluff than in limit.
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| 12 | louky
ID: 24193023
Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 15:01
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Week one of my experiment to play only in tourneys was a success. I played mainly 2 and 3 table multi no limit holdem. I did play in a few big $5-$20 tourneys...ave players 1000-1800, with no finishes in the money. Also played a few single table tourneys.
Cleared my account down to $30.00 bucks and started grinding on $5.00 3 table tourneys. After a day or so had the bankroll up enough to move into higher limit tourneys. The highest I went was $30. Started this last Friday, and as of last night my account was at 433.00 or plus 403.
I had decent success with limit games, but didn't play high enough stakes to avoid chasers and was getting tired of betting top hand, only to get gut shot on the river by some idiot with his finger stuck on the call button.
Anyway I guess this is a follow up to question 3, gonna try the same thing this week, and see what happens.
Any gurupies at party poker my screen name is louky1960, and will usually be in the small multis between 5 and 30.
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| 13 | louky
ID: 24193023
Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 11:00
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Week 2 of tourney only is complete. With a larger bankroll heading into the week, played more $30.00 3 table than anything else. Played some $10 and $20 one and two table also.
Started the week with 433.00 and closed with 1471.00 plus 1037.00 for the week. The tourney format works best for me because you can play the game, protect hands, and buy pots. All of these elements are missing in a limit game, making it too much of a crap shoot.
Going to stick with tourneys for another week, possibly move up the stakes again. It's a slower than the limit games, but does seem effective if you're willing to grind it out.
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| 14 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 12:43
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Little late on this response but here you go anyway...
1. Have heard the same about Party and the number of fish...personally have never played there. I would say try out one of the bigger sites and if you win and get comfortable there stick around. All of the software is a little different, really it is a matter of finding one you like. Another thought is to surf from site to site earning deposit bonuses...
2. Open a free checking account locally. Link that account to a neteller account...transfer money from checking->neteller->poker site and then hopefully from poker site->neteller->checking->to your pocket.
3. I think NL is where the money is at. It is easier to exploit poor players when you can bet them off of draws or at least make them pay more than they should to draw. Personally I am a much more consistent winner at NL vs Limit but really you need to find out for yourself where you play your best. I would recommend sticking with one type game and learning to beat it consistently.
4. Higher average pot size could mean better players are at the table (for NL anyway). Sometimes especially at NL tables the lower pot size means there are a lot of tight-weak players and the table can be dominated by a good tight-aggressive player. Personally I like tables with high pot sizes because I typically play a tight aggressive game and usually only put my money in when I am ahead. In Limit you may be correct that a higher pot size means more people chasing.
5. I don't. I don't have time to be plugging stuff in. At this point I can generally get very close to the % in my head in a second or two.
6. I don't switch. I have found most people never get a read on you and there are so many people going in an out of the tables that the dynamics of the table can change every 20-40 hands anyway.
7. A new player to the table does either have to post a big blind type bet (to play out of position and not wait for the blinds) or wait for the big blind to come to them. So you cannot see cards for free.
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| 15 | louky
ID: 24193023
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 11:48
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Curious about something that comes up from time to time with the players at Party Poker. I can't believe there would be any truth to this, but alot of the players talk about going on losing streaks after cashing out. I would think there would have to be some regulation involved in these games, and your luck is what it is. Yesterday I pulled $500.00 and quit about an hour later after catching a run of bad cards. Logicaly I would think this is just the law of averages, but I have noticed I seem to go on a bad run after withdrawing some cash.
Has anyone else had a similar experiance? I would like to think this is more urban myth than fact (in fact I do), but the trend is sorta consistant, at least for me.
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| 16 | ukula
ID: 491027307
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 12:17
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Chicago -Thanks for the info.
I just setup a free checking account, I'm hoping to be up and running in about a week or so. A month ago I knew relatively nothing about Texas Hold'em but I've been reading and playing the free tables at Party Poker to get myself up to speed. I don't claim to be an expert by any stretch but it's amazing how methodical my wins have been using a very tight gameplan. I know it's the free tables where people are more loose with play money but I'm still shocked at the ease and size of my wins.
I'm going to stick with the cheap Limit tables at the beginning and see how I do. If I make any money I'll move up the ranks. I don't think I'll be doing NL tables - it seems like you can grind out a profit better at the Limit tables. I wouldn't want some guy with a boatload of extra cash going All-in on me and wiping me out.
I know I'll take some lumps but I'm looking at the long term. We'll see.
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| 17 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 12:24
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The "Cashout Curse" is a common complaint. My feeling is it is urban myth but then again my three worst losing streaks followed cashouts. Other times I have cashed out and not had a problem.
Another thing I have found is whenever I take a few days off and then come back to play I invariably go on a nice winning streak. Like the site missed me and wants my business back. (or more likely I am refreshed and just play better poker)
My feeling is it is all just coincidence but when you are in the middle of a bad run of cards after a cashout it is hard not to think about the cashout curse.
I think the larger sites have too much to lose to worry about causing cashout curses or action flops or new player winning streaks. The larger sites are "raking" in the money, no reason to put artificial action in place and jeopardize the entire site if it is proven or leaked.
As far as regulation there really is none as all of these sites are based internationally.
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| 18 | BoNkA
ID: 2710283011
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 12:28
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It's pretty odd how you'll hit losing streaks right after you cash out. I put $250 in Ultimate Bet and worked it up to 650. I decided to pull out the 250 I put in and play with the 400 left. That night, I lost that 400 on some horrible beats, and then lost the 250 that I decided to put back in. Along with the 200 more I put in the next day.
I was not very happy about that.
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| 19 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 12:41
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ukula - recommendation...if you only read one book on poker read: David Sklansky "The Theory of Poker" (it is particularly helpful for limit poker)
This book will not tell you how to play particular cards but gives you all of the things you should be thinking about while playing a hand. It really lays the fundamentals to becoming a good/winning player. If there was a college textbook on how to play poker this would be the book. It is a book you will probably read once before you begin playing and then 6 months later after you have some experience you should read again as you will understand some of the concepts a little better.
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| 20 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 12:44
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If you lost your entire bankroll in one night you were either playing at too high of a limit, or you were on tilt, possibly both.
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| 21 | BoNkA
ID: 5010363012
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 13:43
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No, more like I had pocket aces cracked 3 times by runner runner straights and flushes AFTER their all-in. Not my fault.
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| 22 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 13:53
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What limit were you playing at with a $400 bankroll?
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| 23 | louky
ID: 24193023
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 14:00
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Chicago, thanks for the response/affermation, I tend to agree, but it was funny yesterday, after I cashed, and started losing from in front it was rattling me. On top of that the cash out curse (I like that) became a topic at my table. My cards were running bad, so I packed it in and earned some brownie points with my girlfriend by spending time with her.
No ill effects today, cashed the only two tourneys I played, and broke my no limit rule and had success there also... I guess if there is a curse, it's a short term thing.
BTW, where do you play? I noticed it's not PP, my luck has been decent there, but I'm also curious about other sites.
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| 24 | BoNkA
ID: 571033013
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 14:03
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I played $.5/1.00 and $1/2 NL tables.
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| 25 | ukula
ID: 4110493012
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 14:18
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Thanks Chicago - I'll get that book. I just checked it out on amazon and it seems to be right up my alley. I usually end up buying books like that, charts, odds, probabilities, theories, psychology, stats, expected value, etc..... My wife just shakes her head when she sees the books I come home with. The last two books I brought home were "The Zen of Gambling" by Wayne Root and "Calculated Bets" by Steven Skiena. I've read up on baseball, football, hockey, basketball, jai alai, greyhound racing, horse racing, and most everything in between. I guess it's inevitable that I pick up a book on poker. Here we go again..........
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| 26 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 35111219
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 10:23
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louky...I play on the The Gaming Club, part of the Prima Poker Network. Main reason I play there is I got a referral and just was the first site I tried. I have a close friend that had been playing there for a couple years and made/makes a lot of money so I gave it a try and have been winning consistently from the start. I have thought about trying PP but I figure why mess with a winning formula. There are usually around 3000 players online, plenty of games at my limits. Some good things about a medium size site is I run into a lot of the same players and have good notes on a lot of players. Also the site has a high percentage of European players who I like to play against as they tend to be a little looser and aggressive.
If you ever want to try Gaming Club email me and I will send a referral.
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| 27 | louky
ID: 24193023
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 17:50
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Thanks Chicago, may take you up on that when I'm ready for a change of scenery.
Had a 1st yesterday, playing in a 30 3 table tourney...1st hand I'm dealt KJ off and call the BB for 15. Raise to 60 three callers and I join in. Flop is 9 10 Q rainbow. I'm last to act and there is a bet and a raise in front of me 200ish I think. I go all in 2 callers and the str8 holds up. After 1 hand, 34-3500 in chips. Next hand I get QQ, raise 100, and 2 go all in in front of me, I call. Flop is all D's with the A, one guy played AK off, the other a smaller PP. the turn is another diamond, one of my Q's is diamonds. Flush holds up, so in 2 hands I'm upto 5700 in chips and wiped out 40% of the table.
Not a happy end to the story though, got out flopped the rest way and limped in for 4th still cashed, but should have done better.
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| 28 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 23:32
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I'll vouch for Gaming Club. Tons of multi table tournies including cheap buy in tournies and rebuy tournies. There are some great players in these tournies but there are so many bad players that it doesn't matter.
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| 29 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 13:03
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Any interesting poker stories recently...
Some hands I had yesterday...
5-10 NL ring game 10-handed...
Pretty aggressive table...lot of all-in action preflop with less than great hands...just lost $300 w/AKs vs J10o. Would not normally call an all-in with AK but I had a good read on this player (loose aggressive crazy) so figured very good chance I was in the lead and a chance I have his hand dominated (AK vs AQ or AJ or KQ)...well guessed right only to lose when a J flops and no other help.
Then this hand comes up...
I am in the small blind and get dealt AA...
4 limpers before me so I raise to $60...get one caller (not one of the loose crazy players but an aggressive player anyway). FLOP: AA8. Giving me quad Aces...hmmmm...how do I extract the maximum amount of money. I check...he bets $80...I give it a few seconds and then call the $80. TURN: J. I check again...he bets $100. I raise the bet to $200...he immediately folds. Stupid raise on my part...I should have just called and gave him another free card...found out after the hand he had a pocket pair...stupid play on my part should have gave him a chance to get his set and if he does I probably take all his money. If I call the $100 on the turn and then maybe come out with a $100 bet on the river he may at least call that $100 hoping I am trying to steal a huge pot and if he hit his fullhouse he would have went all-in. Took a nice pot but still a bad play...I think I should have at least made another $100.
About 15 hands later I get dealt AA again....this time I am UTG. I limp in hoping for a raise after me...I hate playing this hand UTG since if I raise big right away I probably only pick up the blinds. Unfortunately 4 people limp in...no raises...flop comes all low cards...862...I come out betting $25...Mr Loose Crazy who beat me with his J10 earlier goes all-in. Fold to me...I call ~$250 more...he shows 10-8...neither of us improve and I pick up the pot. Not an ideal situation as I knew this guy could have had anything but worked out well and gave the table something to think about with the AA limp-in.
about 6 hands later...Dealer position...dealt AQo...$30 raise before it gets to me...I call and am heads up with the raiser. FLOP: A62...he bets $50...I raise to $100...he raises all-in another ~$200...he shows AJ...neither of improve and I scoop another decent pot.
Real happy with the nice win especially after getting stuck for $300 early...have had a rotten run of cards the last few weeks...not losing money but not winning either...win a few hundred one day and lose it back the next day. Some of it my fault by playing poorly but a lot of the losses are from suck-outs...people catching their miracle cards. Was good to walk away with a substantial win and put me at my high point for the year.
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| 30 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 13:36
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NL Ring Game Strategy....
A mistake I see others make is calling huge preflop raises from tight/solid players when you have a good but not great hand like AQ, AJ, KQ...people over value these high card hands. I have regularly started folding these hands to big preflop raises. Too often if you call and even if you hit there is a good chance you are dominated and will lose a big pot. Example: you have AQ and call a 6x BB raise and the flop comes A - 10 - 4 ...well you just made top pair with a good kicker...what do you do when that initial raiser makes a pot size bet? Good chance you are against AK and are going to lose big or you have to fold even when you make your hand. So you really have to either fold or raise...the raise is going to cost you money if you are reraised or called. Real trouble situation. The thing to remember with NL cash games is there is an infinite time limit and you should really wait for situations where you are very strong...the blinds are cheap compared to the average pot sizes...let go of those marginal hands early so they don't cost you money. Even worse than the above mistake is playing Ax offsuit where the x is a card under 10...this is a hand will generally you will either win a small pot or lose a big pot. Throw all of this out for tournament play...have to be a little looser and cannot wait for ideal situations.
On the opposite side when I have a pocket pair and I am facing a similar preflop raise from a player that has a lot of money on the table I will often make the call with any pocket pair hoping to hit a set. 8 to 1 to hit the set but the one time you do hit you are likely to get paid off and make up for all the misses when facing a big overpair.
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| 31 | ukula
ID: 5511532014
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 16:18
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Chicago - I followed your instructions and set up my checking account>Neteller>Party Poker coduit. I new to the whole poker experience so I started off with $100 and have been trying to learn at the .50/$1 tables. I've been using Poker Tracker to analyze my play - I've cut way back on my starting hands and have become more aggressive with the ones I play. I can't believe you got AA twice in 15 hands! I got AA ONCE in 500+ hands!! Anyway, one night I spent an hour at a table with $25 and only found 12 hands to my liking out of 59. I took 5 of them to the river and got stuffed all 5 times. One time I had AA (finally!) and the flop was K T 2. I raised and reraised, I had a few callers. Turn was Q. Raise again, one person still calls. I raise and reraise, thinking "wow this is easy money". River is another A. I have a set! The guy turns over JJ and nails me with the straight. Bottom Line is I went 0 for 59 in that hour and left the table with .25 to my name. I wouldn't let them take all my money!!
It's amazing the hands people play with - guys keeping 8 2 all the way to the river with no improvement. Some guys see 90% of all flops. I found a free tracker online that counts how many times all of your opponents saw the flop, turn, river. I've found this helps a lot when people start raising - is this guy crazy aggressive or is he just sitting there waiting for the monster pairs.
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| 32 | Jazz Dreamers
ID: 111222015
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 16:43
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Chicago...cool hands and good post about playing high cards to raises in NL. That's why I am not sure your AQ hand at the end of post #29 was played correctly (even though it worked out well for you) ... I think it depends on your read on your opponent. If you know he will go all in with AJ and AT (and maybe worse) in those spots, that will make up for losing to AK some of the time. Keep in mind that in addition to worrying about AK outkicking you, you also have to worry about pairing your other card (Q or J) and still being behind an overpair. Anyway, you're obviously a really good player, but it seems like calling that $200 reraise all in from the (as it turned out) AJ must have been pretty tough, unless you had a read on this player as overaggressive.
ukula...hang in there in terms of the bad beats. They will happen. Important thing is to analyze your play and try to determine whether you made that play will work out best in the long run. One mistake most of your opponents will make is that they will analyze their hands based on the results. So if they call cold a pot that has already been capped preflop with 54s and make their flush and drag a huge pot...they will be thinking about how great they played their hand and how awesome they are. They won't be thinking -- as they should -- as to how much they would lose *on average* making that horrible preflop call.
Be aggressive when you make big hands, but tend to slow down on the river if a four-flush or four-straight hits the board. Hands like two pair and three of a kind shrivel up when the board is one away from a straight or flush. However, you should almost never fold these hands for one more bet on the river. You're probably beat, but you don't want to give up that pot those few instances when the other person is betting a worse hand (lower two pair, one pair) or just bluffing out of his tooshie. Folding in a big pot when it costs just one more bet to see the showdown can be a big mistake.
PokerTracker is a great tool, but you will need many more hands to start to see some accurate patterns. After about 2000-3000 hands, you'll get some idea of where you're at, though I have heard it takes > 10,000 hands to get a mildly accurate assessment of how well you play. Try to keep your VPIP (voluntary put in pot) under 20% and your PFR (pre-flop raise) over 5%. The goal is to play only a small number of pots (with your best hands), but to play them for a lot of money. Also PokerTracker has a feature where you can track player stats at the table you're playing as each hand comes in. You need to have it set to be importing hands as you play, and you go to one of the last tabs -- "Game Time" I think (sorry I don't remember for sure off the top of my head and I don't have access to PT on this computer). Under preferences, you select the table number that you are playing at. One other thing I can think of is that you always want to play small pocket pairs (66 or lower, sometimes even middle pocket pairs play this way too, depending on position and how many people are already in) for one bet if possible before the flop (i.e. call but don't raise or fold them). Your goal is to get out if you don't hit a set (or the rare open-ended straight draw), but pump the pot up if you do hit your set.
Hope that helps -- those were just some of the pieces of advice I got that were helpful when I first started. Also the books Theory of Poker and Small Stakes Hold 'Em have been useful to me. Good luck.
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| 33 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 16:58
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Jazz Dreamer...very aggressive table and this particular player I felt would raise more with AK than just 3x the big blind. People were regularly raising 5-10x the BB on this table. I felt pretty solid with my AQ and really feared 2 pair more than anything as this player was playing Ace/rag with this type preflop raise. Plus it makes the call a little easier when you are up a good amount at that point. Admittedly gambled some on that hand but it paid off.
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| 34 | ukula
ID: 5511532014
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 17:06
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Thanks Jazz - my VP$IP is currently around 21% and my PreFlop Aggression is around 11. The funny thing about these small tables is that a lot of these guys will call anything. I'm reading SSHE right now, very slowly, trying to understand everything. Just the other night I had a flush draw on the river against three others with a 10BB pot and I folded. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I would have had it for one stinking bet. Oh well, you learn. I was thinking about the pocket pairs thing you were talking about. I was throwing away small pairs, 22, 33, 44, etc. now I'll take a shot and see the flop, fold if I don't hit the set. I think my biggest mistake was throwing away straight and flush draws too quickly. Thanks for the advice.
ukula
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| 35 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 17:07
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ukula...those bad streaks happen. You might want to step back to .25 - .50 if you have a $100 bankroll to work with. At .50 - 1.00 and only $100 you can work through that pretty quickly with a bad run of cards.
I can't give too much advice on limit play as I do not think I am that great of a limit player. Generally you saw exactly what makes the game profitable...those players with 7-2 calling all the way down to the river...chasing some miracle straight. My best recommendation for newer players is play very tight...and stick with premium hands...and when you do make your hands raise and raise some more. If you stop getting action when you raise then bluff a little to steal some pots or show a bluff. As you learn to play premium hands well you can then open up your game to other cards like suited connectors, baby pairs, pure bluffs. Look for those players playing 90% of the flops and raising/calling far too often, they will make a table more profitable for the tight player and can have the effect of making the entire table get very loose.
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| 36 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 251011111
Mon, Dec 20, 2004, 17:17
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Ukula...baby pairs are not quite as valued in Limit poker unless you have a lot of people seeing the flop and can generally get good action after the flop. Pairs only hit the set 8 to 1...so to call the preflop betting you need to be pretty sure there will not be raises behind you preflop and you will get some action post flop. Personally I probably fold baby pairs unless I was in position...dealer or I could get in cheaply from the blinds. I would not want to call a lot of raises with small pairs.
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| 37 | ChicagoTRS
Leader
ID: 566152116
Wed, Dec 22, 2004, 01:25
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need to vent a little...
rough * night tonight...crazy loose player...raising all-in with any two cards...I lose two huge pots one with pocket queens when he raises me all-in preflop with 4-6 and then proceeds to pull a full house out of his ass. I could not believe it when he showed 4-6o...
Maniac goes up and down and then leaves the table after tripling his $400 buyin...and heads to the 5-10NL table. I follow him there...get stuck waiting for a seat for 15 minutes and watch him burn through about half his money. Finally get a seat and maniac gets lucky and rebuilds his stack some then I get involved with another hand with him...I lose with AK with a flop of an ace...we both end up all-in...he shows A7 and then proceeds to pair his 7 on the river. MF!
I reload for one more shot but then sit helplessly as I watch him piss away all of the money to the rest of the table in about 20 minutes. Lost his final hand when he got bottom pair on the flop and went all-in for $700 only to get called by a player with top two pair(AK). Will probably never see him again...don't get many chances at maniacs like that...see one every couple months.
Oh well...that hurt, not only an opportunity missed but now I have a hole to dig out of...should have been a big night...I guess that is poker sometimes.
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| 38 | THK @ family
ID: 3411242411
Fri, Dec 24, 2004, 12:27
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Ahhh. 1,024 entrants. $10 entry fee on PokerStars. TaRhEElKiD finishes 6th and wins $440.60! Was ranked 1st for a long time and should have won it...
Last night I felt big and bad (1 day after I finished 6th) and went to the $2/$4 table. Lost lost lost lost...then finally won a huge hand to go up 40 and left! That table worries me and you can't be afraid to lose...so I will stick to lower limits for awhile.
Would like to get a PokerStars Gurupie tournament going sometime soon.
THK
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