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Subject: Survivor - Season 21 - Nicaragua
Posted by: JeffG
- Dude [01584348] Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:09
The cast of contestants for Nicaragua's "Battle of the Ages" has been announced. Headlined by former Miami and Dallas coach Jimmy Johnson. This season starts out with two tribes. Espada is older folks (over 40) vs La Flor a group of younger contestants (30 and under).
The older folks tend to be professionals: Dog breeder, ER physician, Seafood inspector, but before you think they may be outmanned in the physical challenges, they have a triathelete and a masters cycling champion. The younger are the usual easy on the eyes group that includes models, students, a Dolphins cheerleader, a former college football lineman and a former college track athlete, and another triathelete who is also an amputee.
Can't wait til Jimmy yells out "How Bout dem Espada".
A few things I have read say that they are introducing a "Medallion of Power" that, when used, gives an advantage in a challenge, but is then transferred to the other tribe. Probst has said in interviews that the Hidden Immunity Idol will be "hidden" slightly differently this season since it was too easily found in the past few seasons.
Season premiers September 15. It will be on Wednesdays this season. official site |
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| 30 | WiddleAvi
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Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 10:41
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It seems to me that this season the alliances have been set. And the problem is people on the bottom of the alliance have no desire to make a move. I cannote remember her name but the old lady, she is low person on the totem pole but doesn't care.
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| 31 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Sat, Oct 30, 2010, 00:32
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Nice little questionaire with Jill here.
Guess Marty did tell her about his plans to give the idol to Sash. Was kinda surprised at the venom tossed toward Jane by Jill but as with every Survivor episode, we never really see the complete picture.
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| 32 | weykool
ID: 138481617
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 15:42
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Another boring episode and another TC with everyone shooting off their mouth.
Marty....Jane has imminity...why are you calling her out and painting a bigger target on your back????
"I put it back" - Annoyonka's response as to why she put the flour in her bag.
Same response you get AFTER you catch a child taking something that doesnt belong to them.
Hard to immagine what annoyanka could say the leaves Probst speechless next week.
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| 33 | C1-NRB
ID: 2672611
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 16:16
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I kinda liked Marty's speech.
He basically told everyone how it was going down and pulled Jane under the bus with him. His intention was/is to get rid of Jane; he doesn't think she deserves to keep playing. Which is the same (skewed) logic that they used to get rid of Alina. Think about it- who would you rather sit next to at Final Tribal, Jane or Marty?
The most prescient statement made last night was by Fabio when he told Alina (paraphrasing), "Why not vote Annoy-onka?" and she said, "Don't confuse me." Him?! Confuse her?! Or anyone for that matter?
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| 34 | Balrog
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ID: 02856618
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 18:49
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Alina giving a TC speech that basically said, "I have no loyalty, I'm available to the highest bidder, so keep me in" just reminded the others why she was on the block in the first place... they didn't trust her. Stupid.
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| 35 | GoatLocker
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ID: 060151121
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 19:56
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We are watching each week, but not what I would call my favorite Survivor at all.
And yes, we really just can't find anybody we want to win it yet.
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| 36 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Wed, Nov 10, 2010, 14:28
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Bad season. Bad players. Last week I saw "Purple Kelly" and was like who the heck is that?...have not shown her at all in the episodes...talk about under the radar...I did not even know she was on the show.
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| 37 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 02:10
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Another mostly ho-hum edition of Survivor. But there were a few interesting moments:
Marty. Maybe if he'd talked less and strategerized more, he'd still be in it. I did find it amusing though, after Jane says early on that physically she was better than Marty, we see Marty in the reward challenge kicking Jane's wrinkled arse. However, Marty’s weakness showed thru when he felt the need to take digs/pot shots mocking others to assuage his lack of success and need for ego gratification.
Sash. He was being cautious with Brenda, whom he only 95% trusts. Both of them seemed like they were okay with keeping Marty around themselves (he's a good cook!), but Brenda was worried because so many of the others, particularly the women, wanted Marty out. And for Sash, it was more important to follow Brenda (or appear to) on the decision, so Marty's gone. The amusing thing is that they already discussed getting rid of Jane, and Brenda even said that what Marty had said at TC about Jane was right. Tick-tock, Jane, tick-tock.
Dan. I liked how on the zip line, we see most of the guys with big grins, whooping and hollering. And then there's Dan, jaw clenched, wishing he were elsewhere. Why is he here, exactly?
NaOnka. What I see in Naonka is FEAR. Fear and resultant puffery – she is so defensively offensive.
She CAN’T let anyone state their point, can’t engage in any real or rational conversation—she becomes inflamed and increasingly aggressive at the slightest hint of the conversation turning to her. Given fight or flight – she reflexively puffs up and bluffs, blunders, blusters and shouts her way out.
Sadly this is all too common in people who have no self control or social training and who have super low self esteem. She has to attempt to make herself feel better at the expense of others. I wouldn’t want to work with her, have her as a neighbor, exchange 2 words with her, much less play the game with her. She needs counseling and psychotherapy and love—lots of all.
Sadly, the winner of this season will probably go down as the least-deserving champion ever. I've never seen a season where I hoped NO ONE would win but I'm there now.
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| 38 | weykool
ID: 138481617
Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 12:37
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Completely agree with Annoyanka dealing with extremely low self esteem.
She has so many issues that she is in danger of becoming a sympathic individual.
The really sad thing is that she works with kids as a PE teacher.
I am beginning to find someone to root for:
Fabio: "Dude, I hate playing stupid so much, but it's the smartest thing to do right now."
Benry: "It's easy."
Fabio: "It's real easy."
Still wondering if Fabio is a dumb as he is showing or is crazy smart to be pulling off an act.
I also have to give Brenda some props for being the puppetmaster and making the big decisions while doing it in a way that doesnt put a target on her back.
If Brenda, Annoyanka , and Dan are the final 3 who wins 7-0?
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| 39 | katietx
ID: 4510171912
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 13:20
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Not gonna be Brenda! Yay!
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| 40 | C1-NRB
ID: 2672611
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 16:39
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When they closed all those chests around the fire I said, "That won't end well. Idiots." Didn't they see, I think it was "Amazon," where they built the fire up really big before a challenge so it wouldn't go out and almost burned down the whole rainforest? Of course, it could've been just most of their camp and stuff, I'm a little vague.
Sash is so much in control of this game. He saw everyone ganging up on Brenda so her cut her loose. He could've saved her, but to what end?
Now he's locked in for at least two more TCs becasue he's still holding Marty's idol.
One thing I've noticed about this season is the way nobody blinks an eye at calling someone out and/or naming names. In past seasons, answers at TC were vague, "Some people are saying some things about some other people." This season it's, "Annoyonka told Chase that she wants to get rid of me so Chase told me and Sash what was going on." I guess you take everyone else down with you, even if they're trying to help?
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| 41 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 23:12
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40....Yeah, this new season of transparency is really taking TC to an extreme we haven't seen before. I think I like it. LOL Also, don't you find that Probst is really egging on with his comments. He used to just sit back and let things go from there but now it's like he's actually encouraging name-calling, etc. I guess his role now is to really stir the pot and play on people's already frayed nerves. Works for me. LOL
As for this episode, I gotta hand it to Jane for literally hanging in there for the challenge. Pretty awesome. Also awesome was sledding down the volcano. I mean... really? The inside of a volcano? Who knew?
And isn't it always fun when some arrogant person gets the boot? But it would have been more fun if Chase hadn't told Brenda she was going----idiot! I like blindsides! But as much as I was semi-surprised that even Sash voted for her, you just knew that the Queen (Brenda's word, not mine) was going keep her, oops, his idol hidden. There was no doubt that Sash wasn't giving up the idol. He can do the math. If Brenda was only tight with 2 people - which she stupidly pointed out at TC - then saving her at 7-3 means he would have wasted the idol to see her voted out next week at 6-3, with him next. Much better for him to hold the idol and see if he can salvage something with NaOnka now that Brenda is gone.
And isn't Purple Kelly really, really out of the loop (voting for Benry)? Not only doesn't she get any air time, but apparently no one bothers talking to her at camp. She seems so passive and all too willing to not ask questions. She is a leaf in a river, just going with the flow and possessing no control over anything that happens. I doubt she talks strategy to anyone, and when someone tells her what to do, she just does it. She is the ultimate follower.
I do wish the PTB's would have shown the faces of the winning five when they returned to camp to see it half gone.
Naonka was surprisingly rational this episode and showed surprisingly good people skills. Makes me wonder how much of her crazy is an act--or whether she sometimes gets her meds and sometimes doesn't. Wow, I can't believe I just used Naonka and good people skills in the same sentence. ; > )
Now part of me is hoping for a final trifecta of Dan, Purple Kelly and Naonka: Useless, Brainless and Downright Crazy. LOL Wonder who'd get the million then?
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| 42 | mc5huffl35
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ID: 00795541
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 13:17
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Probst REALLY changed things when he convinced grandma to stay in the challenge. Sometimes he does ask people why they are quitting, but he stepped in after she had been almost expertly talked into giving it up. I don't think he has been that vocal about someone not quitting before.
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| 43 | weykool
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ID: 41750315
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 20:22
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Finally we get a week where people are actually playing the game.
I understand why Holly and Jane would want Brenda out but I dont understand Annoyanka's motive.
She seemed to be very tight with Brenda and in no danger to being sent home in the near future.
I also have no idea why they were so fixated on getting Chase's vote when all they needed was to tell Dan who to vote for.
It almost backfired by going to chase and then to Sash.
At least we know now why Kelly Purple has been given so little airtime.
Probst: "Kelly weigh in on this, give us the benefit of 20 years of experience".
Kelly: "Well, um....you see.... its like....here's the thing....you know what I mean....at least that is the way I see things".
Thank you for that insight Kelly.
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| 44 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 23:08
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What a gawdawful episode this one was:
NaOnka and Kelly quit the game.....so I think Jeff should have told them to pack their bags and WALK back to the States. You know Probst was plenty steamed at them...and rightly so. Just wished he would've chunked their torches into the fire where they belonged.
Furthermore, why should they be allowed to sit on the jury and have any further say so in the rest of the game? These quitters are going to get to decide who they think should win a million dollars? And NaOnka really thought she was going to win the million if she stayed. Freaking idiot! Get off my TV and NEVER come back!
She has officially become my least favorite Survivor ever. Ugh...what a waste.
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| 45 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 23:26
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This season keeps getting worse...
I 100% agree...you quit the game you are out of the game...why should they be on the jury?
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| 46 | mc5huffl35
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ID: 00795541
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 23:55
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Officially the worst season of survivor ever?
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| 47 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 09:29
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Yesterday was the worst episode ever in the Survivor franchise, in the worst season ever. (That said, I'll still watch every moment). As a fan, I am fired up at such nonsense. You have had constestants with broken limbs or life threatening infections beg to stay in the game in past seasons and then you have these two idiots who spit in the face of the jury, their tribemates, the producers and the show fans.
They casted this season's contestants hoping to find another Russell, which is probably the reason you had so many similar personalities. The smarter contestants now seem to also realize they are not only playing the current season of survivor, but auditioning for the next 'all star' type season.
Naonka is the biggest piece of garbage ever to play the game. She's done nothing but behave abhorrently and show a very ugly personality. She had zero shot of winning and still managed to quit in the most self centered way possibly. For quitting, she should not have been allowed to give up her HII and it should be voided. She quit but still got a final say in how the game plays out.
Now I see why Kelly purple was given zero air time. Post production I am sure the producers wanted her to be as forgettable as possible. She had zero chance of winning as well and had no game whatsoever and had to be told to just coattail. She was a follower the entire season not able to make any bold decision on her own, and proabably was only strong enough to say she'd quit after Nay did it. She had tons in her tank to hold on for a little longer, but is a young kid who will eventaully grow up.
I respect the unbearable conditions both physically and mentally that Survivor offers, but it is crazy that they made it a month and gave up with about a week left.
I agree these quitters should not be on the jury. On the upcoming reunion show they should be forced to sit in a separate area of the stage labeled QUITTERS and ignored for the entire hour.
I was also put off by the shameless informercial feel of last night's episode for the Gulliver movie.
As bad as this season has been this is an interesting group left. Dan may be the under the radar guy because everyone else is a bigger target. Holly and Jane should be now viewed as threats because of their selflessness and perserverance which will play well to the jury. Sash was hurt by having two allies walk (and probably lost the two folks he wanted sitting at his side in his own end-game), but Chase and Sash have HII in their pocket which should buy them some power. Benry is a threat because he can win challenges. Fabio is a likeable doof who I think most folks are rooting for.
I do not think there is a front runner, (although I do not think Chase or Dan can win enough jury votes). Other than Dan, I do not think there is anyone else left who a strategic player would feel comfortable sitting next to for the final vote.
At least we'll have an interesting season from that point the rest of the way.
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| 48 | weykool
ID: 138481617
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 12:23
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Well said Jeff.
Annoyonka is a disgusting human piece of garbage.
I Quit....But I'm not a quitter.
I have to think she wont have the guts to show up at the reunion show.
An already low selfesteem coupled with millions of websites like this calling her disgusting name (all earned) will be more than even her delusional mind can handle.
I thought Probst did very well in not allowing his true disgust to show.
I have read in past blogs he has been very open in telling just how much he loathes people who quit the game.
Probst
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| 49 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 15:56
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The Ponderosa video of Naonka & Kelly is bizarre. The other jurors are nice to them and Naonka could be described as "sweet". Leads one to believe her game behavior was totally faked.
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| 50 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 22:18
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I wasn't able to see it. What all caused them to quit?
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| 51 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 11:59
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What all caused them to quit?
It was raining too much.
In the rain forest.
Seriously.
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| 52 | weykool
ID: 138481617
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 14:31
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Looking at that Ponderosa video I dont see any thing different with Annoyanka.
She can be nice to people when it suits her purposes.
She was very kind to Holly when they had their "mother-daughter" talk.
But when it came down to who her allowing Holly to go on the reward...forget it....didnt suit her selfish needs at the time.
Speaking of which, why is Dan not getting any heat for not stepping aside?
He clearly says "She needs to eat", and he didn't even win the challenge.
Shouldnt he have been the one to take one for the team?
The shot of him sitting in that over-sized chair made him look very small indeed.
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| 53 | beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 23:23
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Well they all needed to eat. The only reason there's a huge fuss for Naonka not stepping aside is because she planned on quitting 1-2 hours after the movie. If Naonka had never planned to quit I doubt they even offer this trade.
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| 54 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 23:32
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It took three listens for me to hear Benry say "You should go, Nay." I could've sworn he said "Dan." It seems like she has multiple personalities- one second she's a nice, decent person and the next she's got a chip on her shoulder and Ms. Tough From the Ghetto that don't need no help.
Episodically, this season has been a bust. There hasn't been a clearly "likable" person. I think Chase, Benry, and Purple Kelly are okay, but I can't root for any of them (obivously not PK). Almost all the players seem out to screw over everyone else as much as possible. And those that aren't (Dan, Fabio) don't contribute any depth to the game. There also hasn't been a "storyline" established to follow.
As a whole, with all the backstabbing, throat-cutting, and bus-throwing-undering(?) the season has been very different than what we've become accustomed to seeing. If this was season 4 or 5 it would probably be the last.
If what JeffG saod about everyone wanting to be the next Russell, I'd almost like to see a season where everyone wanted to be the next Bob or Ethan.
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| 55 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Sat, Dec 04, 2010, 00:08
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53.....I believe the trade was already in the works. Why else would Probst just happen to have the tarp there? Also 52, Dan was not included by Probst as being one the ones that could make the trade. He specifically mentioned the others but not Dan. I'm thinking that Probst really wanted NaOnka to save whatever face she could but her selfishness did her in...again.
As far as Purple Kelly is concerned, certainly she was probably the next to go anyway. They could have tried to get Sash sans the immunity idol but this group isn't all that sharp to pull something like that off.
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| 56 | WiddleAvi
ID: 32559
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 11:44
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DId anyone else notice that Sash when he was in a weak position was stuttering but as soon as he was back in 'power' he talked normally ?
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| 57 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 15:33
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Yeah, I noticed that too WiddleAvi. But at least somebody is trying to use some strategy. Besides Sash, I think Holly may be the only other one trying to win this game. Now that's a sad commentary on what is certainly a very sad Survivor season.
In other concerns, it was stupid for Chase to NOT take Sash with him after winning reward but I don't think there is cause for concern just yet for Chase's demise. I think Chase is safe for a couple more TC's at least and besides, he has Brenda's, no, NaOnka's, no, THE QUITTER'S hidden immunity idol. Does anybody else know he has it? And what was with Sash willing to give up his immunity idol???? Who in their right mind willingly gives up power in this game???? Ok, besides Marty???
As much as I loved to see Benry go, I'm rather surprised they didn't got rid of Jane instead. Everybody's talking about how she'd win if she gets to Final 3......well, just vote her wrinkly arse off the show! And last night was a perfect night to get rid of either her or Fabio. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.
How wretching did it look to see THE QUITTERS come back and sit with the other jury members??? If I were Probst, I wouldn't have even mentioned their name. In fact, they should be forced to wear a huge "Q" on their blouses/shirts wherever they go. (Kinda like how Laverne always wore a big "L" on Laverne and Shirley...lol)
Finally, is Dan really going to make the Final 3? Nobody will vote for him to win so they might as well bring him along. But at TC, they ought to make him sit in that huge chair....lol.
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| 58 | Skidazl
ID: 3253219
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 18:26
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"And what was with Sash willing to give up his immunity idol????"
He didn't say he was willing to give it up, he told those guys he was going to use it at tribal no matter what(barring him having the real immunity, of course) Not sure why he told them, though, maybe to get them to vote elsewhere.
Agreed, he and Holly are the only 2 really still "playing" the game. Chase has made more stupid moves this season than anybody in a long time, no idea how he has made it so far, and with the power, too. Go figure!!!
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| 59 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 20:04
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Thanks Skidazl....I may have misunderstood Sash's intention with the idol. Certainly if he didn't win immunity, then, of course it'd be inane not to use the hidden idol. However, I was very, very surprised that nobody (at least from what we saw) even opted to vote out Sash. I don't think he had too many comrades left in the game, so to see both sides willing to accept him as their fourth member just left me dumbfounded if they weren't going to target the opposing group of three. Common sense would tell us that they should have targeted him and made sure his idol was played if he didn't win immunity. Having said that, Benry, Dan and Fabio were absolute idiots to start picking off one of their own INSTEAD of the other group. The whole purpose of getting Sash on your side (if that's how you want to play it) was to pick off the other side one by one. Did they really believe that by picking off their own alliance members, they'd be closer to winning the million? Idiots!
Now this brings up this question: What are the expiration dates of the hidden immunity idols? With their being only six contestants left and two HII's out there, they'll have to be used very soon---if at all. In fact, I'm almost certain they have to be used before the final four; therefore, the next two weeks we should see Sash and Chase use the idols, right?
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| 60 | Balrog
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ID: 02856618
Fri, Dec 10, 2010, 18:04
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The way this season is going, Chase will pull out his immunity idol at the finale thinking that gives him the win.
The casting people must have pulled these contestants from the Wheel of Fortune reject bin. I keep waiting for someone to ask Probst if he can buy a vowel at tribal.
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| 61 | mc5huffl35
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ID: 00795541
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 00:03
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Nothing new this week.
More dumb plays. Jeff pretty much spells out to the bottom 3 they need to band together and 0 of them get the message.
Can Survivor not give a prize this season and give next year's winner 2 mil?
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| 62 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 09:04
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I can kind of see how it is still in Dan and Fabio's best intrest to eliminate Jane because they all have it in their head she is unbeatable in the finals and they both may stand their only chance if they survive til the end and sit next to Holly and Chase instead. Sash is the most strategic player this season but we've seen in past years how that usually does not play well with the jury. This jury should be especially self indulgent with their votes and questions.
If not Sash, that makes this season's winner of Dan, Holly, Chase, or Fabio one of Survivor's most unworthy winners IMO, and I'll be sick listening to them try to justify their strategy at the finale.
Please can this year's winner simply say "Well Jeff, I was kind of oblivious most of the time and not really sure what was going on, and this million kind of just fell in my lap".
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| 63 | C1-NRB
ID: 2672611
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 11:32
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Of the five that are left now that Jane is gone, who do you want next to you in the final three?
Nobody wanted to sit next to Jane. Marty poisoned that pot a long time ago. If I'm one of the Axis (Chase, Holly, Sash) I want the other two gone and sit next to Dan and Fabio. The only leg of the three-legged stool that is the Survivor motto (Outplay, Outwit, Outlast) Fabio and Dan have going for them is Outlast. An Axis flipper that joins up with Dan & Fabio just Outwitted and Outplayed the other two.
The question is will the jury see it that way? I have to think that enough jury memebers would "get it:" Marty would, Brenda would, Benry would, and the two that got done-unto would.
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| 64 | beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 23:55
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C1, Dan is a great player to sit next to since he's done nothing and already has money. I'd actually be shocked if he doesn't make the finals. Fabio on the other hand has been super nice to everyone which is a huge plus. Outwit, outplay, outlast has very little to do with jury votes. There's been a ton of seasons where the best strategist didn't win because (s)he pissed too many people off.
IMO:
Holly wins if she makes it to the finals.
Fabio wins if he makes it there and there's no Holly.
Sash wins if he makes it there with Dan and Chase
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| 65 | philflyboy
ID: 206301814
Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 08:04
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It seemed like Jeff did his best to talk the three into voting for Holly but as we saw none of them did. My thinking was that if Sash and Chase figured they would vote for Holly why wouldn't one of them give her their Idol to protect their three person alliance? Had Fabio/Jane/Dan voted on Holly they would now be looking in from the outside!!
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| 66 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1740422
Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 11:14
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I thought Jeff was way out of line basically laying out the strategy for the 3 on the outside. It is one thing to question but another thing to tell them what to do to survive. But alas this seasons contestants are clueless and cannot even follow a good strategy that is laid in front of them.
I was thinking all 3 would vote Holly...but chase/sash would give up their idol to Holly and they would eliminate Jane anyway...but both sides played like dunces.
bmd...I agree with your favorites. I think clearly Holly is the fav to win...without her early misstep of stealing Dan's shoes she is probably the only one to play solid strategic/social game all the way through. Chase probably has the least chance of winning...upset too many people. Dan may even beat him...
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| 67 | weykool
ID: 138481617
Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 18:59
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I agree, Probst has been stepping over the line when it comes to TC.
There is a fine line between trying to gleen information for the benefit of viewers and trying to directly affect game play and spelling out strategies for players.
I read somewhere that TC can last several hours and it all gets edited down to a few mins.
So its possible Jeff asks a question 9 different ways and the player finally slips up on the 10th probing.
At first I was thinking Fabio, Dan and Jane made poor use of their votes.
Obviously Jane's vote was the worst, she gave herself no chance to stay in the game.
However, was there a reason for Fabio and Dan to vote Holly?
Could they count on Jane to side with them if Holly went home, or would she kiss and make up with Chase and Sash?
If she did switch sides when do you take her out?
Do you allow her to be final 4?
If the final immunity challenge is a test of endurance she has already shown she can win that type of challenge and if she wins the challenge she wins the game.
Either way Dan is a lock for the finals and Fabio needs to win both immunities to have a shot at the million.
I have to agree with Beastie's rankings:
Holly
Fabio
Sash
Chase
Dan
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| 68 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 22:00
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I think Fabio and Dan would have had Jane the bulldog on their side until the end if they had went the tie route and saved her. No way she goes back to chase/sash.
Seems like a no brainer to me. Dan or Fabio had little to lose and a lot to gain. Fabio had immunity and Dan has no chance to ever win immunity. You come out on the winning side in that tribal council you coast into the final three...yes you would lose to Jane in a vote or probably you backstab her at 4 if she does not win immunity. If you lose the tie vote Fabio is no worse off but at least he might have earned a vote or two with the jury by trying to break the alliance and by trying to save Jane.
Fabio is basically in the position where he now has to win every immunity.
Really disappointing season.
Probst leaked some stuff in his blog "Finally, we have a big announcement regarding the next season of Survivor that I think you’re going to want to check out! It’s.. EPIC."
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| 69 | beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 14:20
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The problem with voting with Jane is it only forces a tie. Even then they need Sash and Chase not to give the idol to Holly and need to come out ahead in the purple rock pick or whatever it is. Not sure if hidden idols or immunity idols are exempt from that. Dan it seems pointless since he'll probably get dragged to the finals regardless. If Fabio has to pick a rock that's a huge risk.
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| 70 | Skidazl
ID: 3253219
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 15:16
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We keep talking about them taking Dan to the finals, but they have shown over and over how dumb they are, so they will most likely not even think about that and just stay with their 3...
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| 71 | mc5huffl35
Leader
ID: 00795541
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 16:35
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There was a 0% chance Sash and Chase were giving that idol to Holly. Sash wouldn't even give it to Brenda. He's been out for himself since day 1.
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| 72 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 21:09
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The players that had immunity would have been exempt from the tie breaker. Dan would have put himself at risk but still think it is well worth trying to grab control of the game.
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| 73 | WiddleAvi
ID: 32559
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 23:12
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This is from ESPN about next season of survivor. and team captains (which they're rumored to be doing next season, with Russell and Boston Rob as captains)
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| 74 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 04:43
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Overall a very disappointing season but I was happy with the winner.
Finally a survivor who wasn't afraid to make the case the that winning immunity challenges qualifies as "outplaying".
If you make it to the finals you obviously outlasted.
Fabio could also make the case that he outwitted by playing dumb....even if in his own words "playing dumb was too easy".
Congtrats Fabio.
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| 75 | WiddleAvi
ID: 32559
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 08:00
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Just shows how stupid they all were not wanting to take Dan to the finals.
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| 76 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 09:10
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Fabio's best move was getting Sash to open his mouth at the final-4 tribal council, and not falling for Probst's trap when they were down to 3 vs 3 and he was insinuating that perhaps they keep Jane around. If your play is basically focusing on the social game, you have to get rid of the others doing the same (Jane, Holly). But that stategy only works if you win challenges down the streatch because he would have been out had he not won the last 3 immunities.
I thought sitting next to Chase would be a lock, but the vote was closer than I expected. I am glad Chase did not win and was surprised he got 4 of 9 votes, but it was great to see him man up at the final tribal and be a straight shooter when defending his game play. Turning on your alliance when the ship is sinking is certainly a way to define surviving in this game.
As much as I am glad Sash did not get any votes, it is strange how we have gone a few seasons now where the folks who do the scheming are resented by the jury. He should have seen the last two seasons where you can play a strategic game to get to the final vote, but if you create all these side alliances to cover your own neck, it will come out that you were outright lying to everyone you have no chance.
Not a good season by any stretch, but it did get a little more compelling over the last few weeks.
Not sure how I feel about Season 22 - Redemption Island. Supposedly when someone gets voted out, they basically live in exile until the next vote-out, then have some sort of one-on-one competition for a chance to get back in. I guess if they lose that they are officially out, but if they win they go back into the game. Not sure what happens if the person from the most recent tribal vote-out wins or loses that one-on-one if they go back or go out immediately or they still have to sit in exile until their chance at redemption. I hope when they announce the contestants it is not Russ v Rob back inb the mix as has been rumored on the Internet. Maybe it is unlikely given that Robs wife just gave birth on 12/10 which would have probably been just after when this season wrapped filming.
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| 77 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1740422
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 12:53
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I think the Redemption Island idea is you get banished there when you get voted out and then go head to head with the next vote out. Winner stays on Redemption Island and process repeats...until the last person on Redemption gets put back in the game (I would guess at the merge). I do not think each head to head winner gets put back in the game...if you are the first voted out you are going to have to win a lot of head to head battles before you get back in the real game.
I thought it was a pretty good tribal council and Fabio and Chase played it pretty well. I think Chase got a little more credit than deserved and vote was a lot closer than I expected. Just seemed obvious a lot of the other contestants really liked Chase despite the fact he played a wacky game by basically being wishy washy throughout and constantly putting all of his many alliances in jeopardy. I do not see Chase's game being that much different than Sash's except everyone pretty much knew Sash was slime ball and out for himself.
The final jury is the most difficult part of this game because most seem to take getting voted out very personal. A lot of poor losers...not realizing this is a game and only 2 or 3 will be standing at the end. Same thing every season and it really makes it difficult for anyone heavily involved in "outplaying/witting" to win the game.
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| 79 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 15:30
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Glad that Fabio won but certainly this season has to go down as the worst season ever. Wonder what would have happened if Sash received one vote since it would have created a 4-4 tie between Fabio and Chase?
Since every Survivor jury always votes BEFORE they come back on the mainland, I often wonder if, after they see with the rest of us how the season played, they'd change their vote if they could? Be an interesting discussion to go back over all the seasons and see if we'd have different Survivor winners. I suspect we would.
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| 80 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 09:14
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What I read somewhere is Rob and Russell as Captains and they both have immunity until the merge.
Sounds like it will be fairly wacky in some aspects.
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