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Subject: Best Album (CD lol) ever...
Posted by: sarge33rd
- [3621478] Tue, Mar 08, 2005, 09:31
Tougher than nails to try and pin down a single song as "best ever". Thought maybe it might be easier to name a single compilation, then three lept into my head lol....
1) Fleetwood Mac "Rumors"
2) Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon"
3) ZZTop "La Grange" (not sure if my memory isnt fooling me on the title of the album. been a VERY long time.) |
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| 43 | MadDOG
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Sat, Mar 12, 2005, 20:13
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Doors were a great band no doubt about that.
Jim Morrison was the ultimate rock star. Was there anybody crazier before Jim Morrison came along? He might be the guy who started this whole rock n roll and drugs and alcohol and sex thing. Either him or Hendrix or Zeppelin.
Or am I mistaken?
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| 44 | MadDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 12, 2005, 20:14
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Ahhhhhhh I forgot about Elvis. He was the guy who started it.
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| 45 | xpdurmind
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Sat, Mar 12, 2005, 20:45
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When I ask myself what is the best album ever, I find it difficult to come up with an answer. The best I can come up with is an essentials list-in no particular order:
Derek & The Dominos: Layla
Neil Young: Decade
Red Hot Chili Peppers: Blood Sugar Sex Magik
Led Zeppelin: Led Zeppelin IV
Metallica: Master of Puppets
Police: Outlandos d'Amour
Whitesnake: Slide It In
Genesis( W Peter Gabriel): The Lamb lies down on Broadway
Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon
David Bowie: Heroes
Doors: The Doors
Jimi Hendrix: Are you Experienced
Clash : London Calling
Peter Gabriel: Peter Gabriel
Talking Heads: Talking Heads77
U2: Rattle and Humm
U2: Joshua Tree
U2: Achtung Baby
Bob Marley: Legend
George Thorogood: Anthology
Rolling Stones: 12X 5
If I was stranded on an island and can only listen to one album, it would have to be a classical work such as Wagner's - Der Ring des Nibelungen!
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| 46 | TB
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Sat, Mar 12, 2005, 22:11
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Nirvana released Nevermind in 90 or 91 and Cobain committed suicie in 94. I like Nirvana and they were the first "huge" grunge band. Nobody can argue with the influence they had on music, but I think more than a little credit can be given to MTV for their popularity. There were several good grunge bands before Nirvana or around the same time (Green River, Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden). Metal was still fairly popular, but I think you can attribute the death of "hair metal" to crappy bands like Poison, Slaughter, and Warrant.
From your lists above, GO and MC, I think it's crazy to chunk groups from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's into the same category. Your list, GO, is made up of the 5 most influental rock bands from the British Invasion and I would include Zeppelin, the Stones, and Sabbath/Ozzy/Dio/Rainbow (they all get clumped together) on my top ten list of hard rock bands, but the Beatles, just like Elvis or even the Beach Boys belong on a different type of rock list. Call it pop rock or seperate them into rock and hard rock and heavy metal, but I can't compare them to bands like Korn, Metallica, Van Halen, etc.
Besides some of the "hard rock" bands you two already listed that I love; Zeppelin, Guns N Roses, the Stones, Motley Crue, Sabbath/Ozzy/Dio/Rainbow, Van Halen, and Aerosmith, I am going to toss a few more names in. The Scorpions, Metallica, Def Leppard, Kiss, Judas Priest, Queen, Styx, Foreigner, AC/DC, Rush, and Journey. I wouldn't argue that Tesla or Dokken belong on any "greatest" list, but they are both bands that kicked out a few albums and I enjoyed them. Oh yeah, there were some "hair bands" that I liked too: Skid Row, Bon Jovi, Great White, Ratt, Whitesnake, and Cinderella come to mind. Korn has enough albums out and a unique enough sound that I would include them on my top ten all-time list of Bands Who Played Harder Rock than the Beatles.
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| 47 | Rand
Donor
ID: 083231216
Sat, Mar 12, 2005, 23:06
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xpurdmind, dude, I'm listening to 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' right now, I think it's my pick as best rock album. Not sure if Decade is fair, it being a double greatest hits album and all. I think After the Goldrush is Neil's best. Dark Side of the Moon is a tight choice. U2 is disqualified for having too many solid albums. Unforgettable Fire, for many reasons, is my favourite. I think Bad is one of the greatest songs ever written.
Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is outstanding, but Elton's later career hurts his credibility bad. Captain Fantastic's another fabulous album. Dylan's Blood on the Tracks, Beatles revolver/rubber soul/pepper era albums all are genius. Bowie's Ziggy Stardust and Hunky Dory rank high for me. The Who's Quadrophenia has lost some of it's shine, but is a cool piece. But Lamb Lies Down is Peter Gabriel at his best, imho.
Mild-mannered supermen are held in kryptonite.
And the wise and foolish virgins giggle with
their bodies glowing bright.
Through the door a harvest feast
is lit by candlelight;
It's the bottom of a staircase
that spirals out sight.
The carpet crawlers heed their callers:
"We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out
We've got to get in to get out."
lol, OK, maybe it's a bunch of nonsense, but it just seems to have so much meaning when Gabriel sings it.
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| 48 | GoatLocker
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Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 13:59
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My mind tends to get more shot as I get older, so I do tend to have a hard time recalling things.
Boy does that open the door for some of you.
Anyway, back to the music.
Was doing some looking to remind me, and came up with a link that some of us would really find fits our lists.
Top Albums
They are calling it the Ultimate Album List of Classic Rock.
Two nobody mentioned that surprised me were
Cream - Disraeli Gears
Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers(Best Album Cover ever)
Cliff
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| 49 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 14:04
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Didn't finish the thought before I posted it.
Anyway, first song I ever danced to in High School -
Cream - Sunshine of Your Love(from Disraeli Gears)
Tons and tons of music.
My youngest has my album collection right now, so don't have it to go through, but a lot of the titles on the link are in it.
When I joined the Navy back in 72, I was buying on average 3-5 albums a week for the first year while I was going to school. Then came the cassettes later.
Stayed away from 8-tracks. (Not quite sure how)
Great Thread Sarge.
Cliff
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| 50 | Great One
ID: 150113019
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 07:42
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I gotta say I forgot about Queen. They were part of my British arguement the other night. Biggest fan club in the world at their peak.
Anyone have an idea where to get a list of albums sold by artist? i.e. The Rolling Stones have sold 100,000,000 million records in their career etc.
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| 51 | sarge33rd
ID: 45229215
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 13:52
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MITH in 41, mentions one of my all-time fave bands...Aerosmith. They and ZZ Top, I could listen to ALL day long.
Another band who is IMHO conspicuous by its absence so far in the discussions above, is CCR. Arguably, THE alltime folksy-rock band.
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| 52 | balls
ID: 448331614
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 14:02
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Oh yeah, CCR. Good call, Sarge. Green River is one of their best songs, imo.
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| 53 | sarge33rd
ID: 442481513
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 14:48
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channel surfing the other night, and I caught a blip of Fogerty and company doing "Fortunate Son" on the old Ed Sullivan show. What a GREAT tune that one was.
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| 54 | Micheal
ID: 54255316
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 15:52
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For some reason I always liked the Beastie Boys "Licensed to Ill" cover.
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| 55 | Skidazl
Leader
ID: 379312323
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 15:08
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Madness-Madness(Is all in the mind)
English Beat-Just Can't Stop It
Smiths-Smiths
Cure-Pornography
Oingo Boingo-Only A Lad
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| 56 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 16:14
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Pretty sure Pink Floyd is the answer to #50. Unless it's Michael Jackson.
I don't care for U2, but you can defintely argue that they're the best band in history. Bill Simmons did exactly that a few weeks ago. And I'd stack Metallica up against anyone.
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| 57 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4181415
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 16:47
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My favorite CDs...
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden
Merciful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Metallica - Kill'em All
Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Eminem - The Eminem Show
Suicidal Tendencies - Suicidal Tendencies
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love
Honorable mention...Pearl Jam - Ten (since my cousin is the lead singer)
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| 58 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 18:12
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Honorable mention...Pearl Jam - Ten (since my cousin is the lead singer)
TRS, be careful, blue hen is going to start sending you flowers now.
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| 59 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 19:46
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Or used underwear. BH's interest goes beyond obsession...
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| 60 | Razor
ID: 25038320
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 20:37
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Discounting solo entries, I'd throw up U2, Byrds, REM, Nirvana, VU, and Grateful Dead all before GnR
Sigh...I always hate the revisionist history that places Nirvana clearly at the top of the grunge bands. Before Cobain's death, they were no more influential or popular than Pearl Jam or Soundgarden. If Cobain never committed suicide, we view them the same way Pearl Jam is viewed now. Nirvana was great, but hardly deserves mention with the Beatles, Zep, et al at the very, very top.
In no particular order:
U2 - Achtung Baby
Pearl Jam - Ten
Pearl Jam - Versus
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Metallica - Metallica
Beatles - like five albums
REM - Automatic for the People
I have a friend who had never heard of REM. Ever. Can you believe that? She's 23 and was born and raised in this country. Nuts.
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| 61 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 20:57
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Before Cobain's death, they were no more influential or popular than Pearl Jam or Soundgarden.
They were definitely more popular because of Smells Like Teen Spirit (the anthem of early 90's grunge), alone.
As far as influence is concerned, that they were no more influential before Cobain's death is meaningless. Their mark was made in the music of the decade that followed. I really believe that Nirvana received far more hat tips and had far greater influence in the music that followed than Pearl Jam and certainly Soundgarden. You might argue that this was because of Cobain's death and you might be right, but whatever the reason for the influence, there's no denying it. Really, I'm not even a Nirvana fan and I generally prefer Soundgarden's stuff (tho not really a fan of them either) but Soundgarden were not close to the innovators that Nirvana was.
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| 62 | Razor
ID: 25038320
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 23:40
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They were definitely more popular because of Smells Like Teen Spirit (the anthem of early 90's grunge), alone.
Ten outsold Nevermind, I believe. EVERYONE had Ten. No single Pearl Jam song was as big as Smells Like Teen Spirit, but I think Jeremy, Alive and Even Flow were all bigger than Nirvana's next biggest song pre-suicide.
Really, I'm not even a Nirvana fan and I generally prefer Soundgarden's stuff (tho not really a fan of them either) but Soundgarden were not close to the innovators that Nirvana was.
I think Pearl Jam is the most of copied band of the nineties, for what it's worth. Pearl Jam's sound was once fresh, believe it or not. Actually, it still is, thanks to reinventing themselves so many times, for better or for worse, but the Pearl Jam heard on Ten and Vs. was once fairly unique.
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| 63 | Perm Dude
Dude
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Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 00:13
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Razor, it doesn't matter why Nirvana became influencial--the truth is that when Cobain died (and Nirvana, at that point, was the standard bearer for grunge no matter how many other good bands were out there) they became much more popular and influencial.
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| 64 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 09:38
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I am not a Soundgarden apologist, but I believe they were extremely unique in their sound. I would call them innovators on the order of Nirvana, albeit without the commercial success until years later. Once Soundgarden toned it down and went for a more "mainstream" sound, they became VH1 darlings. But their Rusty Cage days were diverse and inventive. And don't forget Spoonman.
In general, I think personally I'd prefer to listen to Soundgarden or Temple of the Dog than Nirvana. I know it was 15 years ago, but I am still kind of burnt out on Nirvana. The Unplugged disc excluded--that's a great anytime listen.
ChicagoTRS, I remember we talked about you and Eddie before once in another thread. You still keep in touch with him? Or do you just see him at family reunions?
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| 65 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 09:41
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That would be quite a backyard volleyball team, I'd imagine.
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| 66 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4181415
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 10:15
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see him very infrequently...once every couple years lately...see his brother/mother/grandmother pretty often
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| 67 | sarge33rd
ID: 562251410
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 18:09
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Temple of the Dog
reminds me of another highly enjoyable and thus great album...Nazareth, Hair of the Dog.
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| 68 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Mar 18, 2005, 23:17
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Temple of the Dog was a tribute album, sarge. It included members of Soundgarden (Matt Cameron, Chris Cornell) and Pearl Jam (Jeff Ament, Stone Gossard). The tribute was to a dead fellow musician named Andrew Wood. It's got some very good music on it. I would recommend anyone who enjoys the Seattle Grunge sound check it out if you haven't already.
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| 69 | sarge33rd
ID: 582341722
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 10:15
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was simply commenting MC, the title "ABC of the Dog, reminded me of an album I hadnt heard in years, but thoroughly enjoyed.
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| 70 | xpdurmind
Sustainer
ID: 319471922
Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 00:08
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#47 Rand, Gabriel's lyrics have always been fascinating to me. I must have seen him in concert 5 or 6 times. The most memorable ( for whatever reason) is 1983 at the Greek Theatre in LA. His shows are always theatrical productions that magnify/explain his music.
Shoot me an email. Want to talk a little basketball. Actually we need to pick up a FA for the GMD if you're interested.
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| 71 | Razor
ID: 36241218
Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 10:55
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I just listened to Siamese Dream for the first time in a while yesterday. I must say, I think it has very few peers as far as alt-rock albums go. Incredible album.
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| 72 | tastethewaste
ID: 251043226
Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 11:00
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how about Nothings shocking?
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| 73 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Tue, Mar 22, 2005, 11:16
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Not sure how I missed posts 57-59. Sweet. I like Stone better though. Except Eddie is a baseball fan.
Despite my bias, I disagree with the sentiment that Pearl Jam was more popular than Nirvana while Kurt was alive. Nirvana had a lot of videos being played and had a more successful Unplugged session. They had fallen a little in popularity, but the whole scene was going downhill a bit. The same week Kurt died, Pearl Jam did the radio show, which was pretty much the day that cemented my fandom, and I guess their popularity took off from there. At that point, radio stations hadn't even started playing Yellow Ledbetter, and when they did, Pearl Jam took off even more.
And I agree that they've reinvented themselves. Whereas Creed sounds exactly like a cheap knockoff of Ten and vs, it's nothing like what's on Binaural and Riot Act (or the new stuff on Lost Dogs). I really can't envision Creed coming out with a song that's anything like Hold On, Insignificance, Rival, or Grievance.
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| 74 | C1-NRB
ID: 32451110
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 13:35
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MITH RE: 34,
{This is in no way an endorsement of Top 40 radio}
At the time Appetite for Destruction was mass released (does any one have the album or the CD with the painting by the same name on the cover?) in the early '90s, the songs being played on "rock/ Top 40" (oxymoron?) radio stations included the likes of Garth Brooks and Mariah Carey.
Their albums were on the top of the "pop/rock" charts, too.
Guns 'n' Roses re-established "rock" on the radio. It was only after Welcome to the Jungle began getting regular airplay that things began to swing back toward rock. It's probably overstating things to say that G'n'R paved the way for the Seattle movement in general, but as far as reclaiming the air, I think they did.
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| 75 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 13:39
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Sure, every grunge guy wanted to be the next GNR (except maybe Mark Arm and his Mudhoney cronies). But I'd say Poison did even more of that, since their songs were even poppier. And let's not forget about Metallica taking off with the Black Album at about the same time. Hell, even Aerosmith was having a resurgence that surely affected potential grunge superstars.
Don't undersell Appetite or the Illusion CDs. They are some of the most influential albums of that generation. But there are others around who deserve just as much credit.
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| 76 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 13:46
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Guns 'n' Roses re-established "rock" on the radio.
I disagree. When was Appetite released? 1988? 1989? Van Halen's 5150 and OU812 preceded it, didn't they? What about Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet and New Jersey? Motley Crue's Girls Girls Girls? There was hard guitar rock on pop radio all through the 80s from Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister to Warrant to Living Coulour.
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| 77 | C1-NRB
ID: 32451110
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:14
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I believe Appetite came out in '88, but it didn't start getting significant play until '90 which was about the same time non-rock was more prevalent than rock on stations that claimed they were rock.
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| 78 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:17
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GnR helped push corporate rock out. For that, they deserve our collective thanks.
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| 79 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:19
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Whats the difference between GnR and "corporate rock"? Cusswords?
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| 80 | chode
ID: 130342413
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:32
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To say that Appetite for Destruction didn't get significant airplay until 1990 is either revisionist history, a bad memory, or maybe even a function of a sheltered radio station ... but in any event you're simply wrong.
"Appetite" was released in 1987. "Sweet Child O' Mine" was a #1 hit in September 1988; "Welcome to the Jungle" peaked in 1988, and "Paradise City" peaked on the charts in 1989. "Patience" reached #4 in 1989, and by then that was off their second album GNR Lies.
MITH's recitation of other rock bands getting significant airplay prior to Guns N' Roses tracked some other examples I would have named:
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Def Leppard - Hysteria
Cinderella - Long Cold Winter
Ratt - Out of the Cellar
Motley Crue - Girls, Girls, Girls
Europe - The Final Countdown
Poison - Look What the Cat Dragged In
... the list of rock albums that were getting airplay on the "pop" stations along with the likes of Debbie Gibson and New Kids on the Block is pretty extensive. Granted, I put "Appetite" as one of the best albums ever (see Post #37), but let's not try to rewrite history to say that GNR "re-established rock on the radio."
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| 81 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:50
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MITH, this is probably going to come across as more forceful than I mean, but to try to show you the difference between GnR and corporate rock (like Starship, Heart, etc) would be difficult, especially since you see GnR as a "hair band" which they decidedly were not.
Hair bands were all about image. Rock bands are about music and image. It's why Van Halen & GnR are head and shoulders, musically, above any hair band even though both depended upon image.
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| 82 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 14:59
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Well, I don't necessarily disagree with your parsing of 'hair band'. I think I accept the specification, so try me.
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| 83 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 192301410
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 15:12
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If by 'corporate rock' you just mean a more poppie-sounding style of rock music designed to play on the top 40 stations and appeal to their listeners, I'm curious wha makes you think that GnR had any hand in pushing the genre out. I tend to think it was already happening, more thanks to the rise of other genres like hip hop/rap and soon after, grunge. I maintain that GnR was a last gasp of a previous dying genre of hard rock music (whatever you want to call it) - one that enjoyed its heyday during a time when what I think you call corporate rock was also prominant.
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| 84 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 17:24
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Starship and Heart? At least go with someone like Skid Row or Mr. Big. Or Warrant, I guess.
Heart, especially, has very little place in that discussion.
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| 85 | Razor
ID: 532421922
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 20:03
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Despite my bias, I disagree with the sentiment that Pearl Jam was more popular than Nirvana while Kurt was alive. Nirvana had a lot of videos being played and had a more successful Unplugged session. They had fallen a little in popularity, but the whole scene was going downhill a bit. The same week Kurt died, Pearl Jam did the radio show, which was pretty much the day that cemented my fandom, and I guess their popularity took off from there. At that point, radio stations hadn't even started playing Yellow Ledbetter, and when they did, Pearl Jam took off even more.
Nirvana's Unplugged was only bigger because they released a CD, and Cobain died that year. Pearl Jam was massive much before Cobain died. Ten was over ten times platinum. People didn't buy Ten to get Yellow Ledbetter. Vs. debuted at #1, and I believe set the record for highest album sales in the first week. Vs. sold like hotcakes, and this was all well before Cobain died.
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| 86 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 20:10
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bh, Heart and Starship were both solid corporate rock bands in the end. In fact, they typified corporate rock: bands with solid musical histories who sold out creatively in the end, playing insipid power ballads to sold out areas of people awaiting the arrival of the real music.
I used to volunteer at Summerstage in Central Park, NYC, and they brought in Starship one year (must have been about 1992 or so). Grace Slick, after singing "White Rabbit," was reduced to playing the tambourine for an hour.
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| 87 | blue hen
ID: 353412123
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 21:30
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Ten times platinum? Not in one year. And Yellow Ledbetter wasn't even on Ten - it was the B-side to Jeremy. I just think Pearl Jam wasn't as big as Nirvana then, and in fact I wasn't even a die hard Pearl Jam guy until 1994.
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| 88 | culdeus
ID: 492152212
Wed, Mar 23, 2005, 22:36
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I agree with alot of stuff here.
Might add:
Paul Simon - Graceland
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| 89 | Razor
ID: 532421922
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 01:11
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Ten times platinum? Not in one year. And Yellow Ledbetter wasn't even on Ten - it was the B-side to Jeremy. I just think Pearl Jam wasn't as big as Nirvana then, and in fact I wasn't even a die hard Pearl Jam guy until 1994.
85% of Ten's 10+ million sales, I would guess, were pre-Cobain's death. And obviously I know Yellow Ledbetter wasn't on Ten, which is my counterpoint to your point than Pearl Jam got big after Yellowledbetter when, in fact, people bought Ten in massive quantities without any Yellowledbetter influence. If you only became a big Pearl Jam fan in 1994, you got in fairly late. I'm only 24, and I distinctly recall buying Vs. on the first day it was out, as did nearly a million others. A MILLION! Vs. was very highly anticipated and went many times platinum very, very quickly.
I just looked it up and indeed Ten did outsell Nevermind, 12 million to 10 million. My guess is that more people bought Nevermind than Ten after Cobain's death as Pearl Jam's popularity faded after that while interest in Nirvana increased. And I was correct in saying Vs. set the record for sales in the first week. Vitalogy, when released, had the second highest sales in its first week behind only Vs.
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| 90 | Great One
ID: 53272014
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 06:12
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Starship IS the epitome of corporate rock. (+ Journey?)
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| 91 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 07:47
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No one will ever be able to convince me there's an album better than Dark Side of the Moon. What a work of art.
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| 92 | culdeus
ID: 492152212
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 09:27
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FWIW if you got some live bootleg albums they were playing YL long before it released.
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