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Subject: Poker Part II Posted by: ChicagoTRS - [464171213] Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:26 Decided to start a new thread since the old one was getting a bit long... Some of my favorite poker related links: cardplayer.com rec.gambling.poker Daniel Negraneu Blog Josh Arieh blog Poker Pages Online Poker FAQ Play Winning Poker | |||||||
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| 112 | R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 10:45 |
I spent 2 hours watching this twit monk_mingus raise every 2nd hand, just waiting for a chance to take him down and then I get it: ***** Hand History for Game 2933552380 ***** muszu has left the table. $50 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Wed Oct 26 18:57:21 EDT 2005 Table Table 65124 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: monk_mingus ( $93.60) Seat 2: arkose ( $169.06) Seat 3: frosty0964 ( $39.75) Seat 4: RNiner_R9 ( $128.98) Seat 5: Yohda ( $41.75) Seat 6: brianm1967 ( $70.61) Seat 7: clarkst70 ( $79) Seat 8: jonnnylove ( $15.90) Seat 10: GrindingHalt ( $93.80) clarkst70 posts small blind (0.25) jonnnylove posts big blind (0.50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to RNiner_R9 [ Jh, Js ] GrindingHalt folds. monk_mingus raises (2) to 2 arkose calls (2) frosty0964 folds. RNiner_R9 calls (2) brianm1967 folds. clarkst70 folds. jonnnylove folds. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, 5s, 5h ] monk_mingus bets (5) arkose: thats like ppl who announce '2 pair' when they play the board 2 pair....as if it matters arkose folds. RNiner_R9 calls (5) ** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ] monk_mingus bets (5) RNiner_R9 calls (5) ** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ] monk_mingus bets (22) RNiner_R9 raises (55) to 55 monk_mingus raises (59.60) to 81.60 monk_mingus is all-In. RNiner_R9 calls (26.60) Creating Main Pot with $186.95 with monk_mingus ** Summary ** Main Pot: $186.95 | | Rake: $3 Board: [ Jd 5s 5h Qc 8c ] monk_mingus balance $186.95, bet $93.60, collected $186.95, net +$93.35 [ Qh Qd ] [ a full house, Queens full of fives -- Qh,Qd,Qc,5s,5h ] arkose balance $167.06, lost $2 (folded) frosty0964 balance $39.75, didn't bet (folded) RNiner_R9 balance $35.38, lost $93.60 [ Jh Js ] [ a full house, Jacks full of fives -- Jh,Js,Jd,5s,5h ] Yohda balance $41.75, sits out brianm1967 balance $70.61, didn't bet (folded) clarkst70 balance $78.75, lost $0.25 (folded) jonnnylove balance $15.40, lost $0.50 (folded) DHBjapz balance $50, sits out GrindingHalt balance $93.80, didn't bet (folded) Spent another 20 minutes getting back to 50$ before calling it a night after 3 hours of breaking even. Sometimes I hate this game. ;) | ||||||
| 113 | ChicagoTRS Leader ID: 566152116 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 11:20 | R9...tough hand...nothing you could do there but go broke. | ||||||
| 114 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:04 | I don't play NL, but why did you just call pre-flop and on the flop? You wouldn't have knocked him out pre-flop with Qs, but if you had raised on the flop, he might have questioned the strength of his two-pair. | ||||||
| 115 | kev Donor ID: 043111845 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:07 | The only way Q's fold on that flop is if a K or A is out there. With a jack high flop, I don't see me folding my Q's even to an all in. | ||||||
| 116 | R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:26 |
I was admittedly trying to trap the guy. He was raising the flop almost always because the rest of the table was full of tight folders. On the few occasions when someone re-raised, he was willing to concede the pot. I definitely didn't want to have that happen with me holding a monster. Most players like that also don't know how to handle a call. If they're bluffing they're willing to fold it, but a call will get them to put more money into the pot when they try to steal it again on the turn. Against a straight shooter I might've re-raised, but in all honesty when I hold a monster like that on the flop (the nuts except for PP 5's, and little chance of losing the nuts on the turn/river) I slowplay. | ||||||
| 117 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:37 | Yeah, I rarely slowplay in limit with anything less than the absolute nuts, but I could see where it would be much more useful in NL. There weren't too many hands that could beat you. Just unlucky. | ||||||
| 118 | Sludge ID: 14411118 Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 12:04 |
He was raising the flop almost always because the rest of the table was full of tight folders. On the few occasions when someone re-raised, he was willing to concede the pot. Sounds like he was following Super System to the letter to me. | ||||||
| 119 | Farn Sustainer ID: 451044109 Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 16:28 |
anybody know a site that allows free, private tourneys? play money type stuff. some non-gambling friends of mine who love cards want to set up a private table for us to play at online. | ||||||
| 120 | KevinL ID: 38161710 Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 10:21 |
Farn - holdempoker.com and pokerroom.com offer free private tables, just have everybody buy in with the same amount. It does not raise the blinds or anything like a real tournament would. These 2 sites actually use the same server, so if one of your friends can't find the table at pokerroom.com, they can log in to holdempoker.com and they will usually see the table there. | ||||||
| 121 | Sludge ID: 14411118 Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 19:27 |
Great googily moogily! Sheesh. I've learned quickly that I don't have the intestinal fortitude to play Omaha hi/lo. I understand the game, and I know it's all about draws, but I can't believe the number of people who chase nearly dead draws for any amount of money on low-limit tables. (And I'm not even talking about the dude with four to a flush and wrapper going for him, or the dude with the made nut or second-nut low going for his flush.) Friend of mine gave me $11 on PokerStars late last week, which I have easily quintupled playing 1/2 cent hold 'em. It's like taking candy from a baby. I know there's more of a margin in Omaha hi/lo, but good God! 3 times in 5 consecutive hands, I had the nuts or second nut going to the river, only to be outdrawn after making them pay (relatively speaking, of course) bigtime to do it. Back to hold 'em. Slow 'n steady does it. | ||||||
| 122 | beastiemiked ID: 262411016 Sun, Nov 20, 2005, 03:25 |
#Game No : 3062981054 ***** Hand History for Game 3062981054 ***** PL Omaha Hi/Lo Trny:17553036 Level:15 Blinds (1500/3000) - Saturday, November 19, 21:24:08 EDT 2005 Table Multi-Table(515522) Table #1 (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 5 Seat 1: beastiemiked ( $129488 ) Seat 3: pgfmr82 ( $64861 ) Seat 8: cdnmover ( $56412 ) Seat 2: cruisinhome ( $17381 ) Seat 7: dph50 ( $11858 ) Trny:17553036 Level:15 Blinds (1500/3000) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to beastiemiked [ Th 6c Td 4h ] dph50 folds. cdnmover folds. beastiemiked raises [10500]. cruisinhome folds. pgfmr82 calls [7500]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 7c, Qc ] pgfmr82 bets [22500]. beastiemiked raises [90000]. pgfmr82 is all-In [31861] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ] ** Dealing River ** [ As ] beastiemiked shows [ Th, 6c, Td, 4h ] three of a kind, tens. pgfmr82 shows [ Kd, 2h, Tc, Ac ] a straight, ten to ace. beastiemiked wins 35639 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, tens. pgfmr82 wins 131222 chips from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace. There was no qualifying low hand. Game #3062987449 starts. Game No : 3063020074 ***** Hand History for Game 3063020074 ***** PL Omaha Hi/Lo Trny:17553036 Level:16 Blinds (2000/4000) - Saturday, November 19, 21:28:44 EDT 2005 Table Multi-Table(515522) Table #1 (Real Money) Seat 8 is the button Total number of players : 5 Seat 1: beastiemiked ( $45127 ) Seat 3: pgfmr82 ( $119310 ) Seat 8: cdnmover ( $93824 ) Seat 2: cruisinhome ( $15881 ) Seat 7: dph50 ( $5858 ) Trny:17553036 Level:16 Blinds (2000/4000) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to beastiemiked [ Ad Jd Qs 2s ] pgfmr82 folds. dph50 folds. cdnmover raises [14000]. beastiemiked is all-In [43127] cruisinhome folds. cdnmover calls [31127]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 6s, 5h ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ] ** Dealing River ** [ Ts ] cdnmover shows [ Js, 2h, As, Th ] two pairs, tens and sixes. beastiemiked shows [ Ad, Jd, Qs, 2s ] a pair of sixes. cdnmover wins 94254 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and sixes. There was no qualifying low hand. Player beastiemiked finished in 5 place and received $392 beastiemiked has left the table. The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place. Game #3063024316 starts. First place was $1500. I ended up with about $390. I could've snuck into 3rd place(about $600) but as most of us know the real money is in 1st and 2nd place. I guess I'm looking for a little sympathy. Would anyone play either hand differently? | ||||||
| 123 | R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Sun, Nov 20, 2005, 05:39 |
The 1st hand I probably wouldn't have been so agressive. Even 5-handed 10/10/6/4 is pretty weak holdings. After the flop a set is nice, but its only middle set with straight and flush draws available. If I was first to act I would've bet the pot, but after my opponent raised first I would've been pretty hesitant to go all-in. A set just isn't the same in Omaha as it is in Hold'em. With his bet its pretty obvious he'd be going all-in anyway, so the decision was all-in or fold. I suppose with a set its a tough choice, and its a sucky position to be in. After the flop you were only a 62% favorite to win, so its not really a huge bad beat. The second hand is just brutal. Extra bruising is the two very small stacks still hanging around. Sure 3rd is only 600$, but its still 210$ more then you got. :) Still a nice finish. The end of Omaha tournies are often crapshoots anyway, the decisions need to be made preflop when its alot harder to know where you stand. ------------------------------------------------- I got a bad beat story myself. Playing in a 30$+3 sit-in-go, I finished on the bubble when my AA gets cracked by... 59os. To the same guy who cracked my QQ earlier with 46os. Certainly they can happen, and circumstances can play a big part. Not that they did here. The AA hand we were all-in pre-flop (we both had medium sized stacks, wtf was he doing?) and the QQ hand I had raised 5 times the BB. I got a Q57 flop, he called with his open-ended straight draw. Ugh. He of course finished right after me (in the money) when he pissed all his chips away. Why do loose idiot cannons like that get rewarded? Or rather, rewarded at my expense? ;) I was in good shape and didn't think anyone left at the table was particularly strong. Definitely could've placed nice... | ||||||
| 124 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 09:48 |
The 1st hand was a position raise. The SB had been playing just to move up in the money so I figured he'd fold everything except the premiums. The BB was looser and was playing to win like me. If he reraises preflop my cards in the muck, however the flat call and a flop like that and I'm putting all my chips in there everytime. I win 60% of the time and have more than twice as many chips than the other 3 players combined. I'm rethinking the 2nd hand. With a guy not able to cover the BB and SB and another short stack, a fold might have been the EV+ play. | ||||||
| 125 | wiggs Donor ID: 04991311 Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 13:28 | What does it mean to be "coolered" I have heard it mentioned on WSOP before, and someone told me last night I was coolered and I didnt get what he meant, and I was much to angry to stick around to hear the definition. | ||||||
| 126 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 14:01 | When you have almost the nuts and run into the nuts. For example on a board of Q4955, you're coolered if you hold QQ and your opponent has 55. | ||||||
| 127 | wiggs ID: 4610182113 Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 14:18 |
I guess I was coolered to the nth degree. No limit game at Turning Stone Casino. I get deal AQ, raise 4 dollars get 3 callers. Flop comes out AAQ, I am first to act and check. I am playing against alot of aggressive players. Next guy raises 6, followed by a caller and a raiser to 16, 10 on top. I call, next guy calls and other guy folds. Turn is a 4. I check, next guy raises to 25, next guy all in for 110, I call and the other guy raises all in for an additional 45. I call. We turn the cards I have the boat, next guy has KQ (2 pair with K kicker) and the last guy has AK (3 aces king queen kicker). River is a K and his Aces over kings beats my Aces over queens. I felt like I got kicked in the stomach. | ||||||
| 128 | Micheal ID: 27202318 Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 01:20 | That's a tough one Wiggs. Can anyone beat this for stupidity? I'm on Poker Stars last night playing and drinking and I'm up about $80. This morning I wake up in the middle of my living room floor trying to remember how I got there and I walk over to my laptop and see that my my new bottle of Bacardi is empty and that I'm still seated at the table I had been playing at last night, but I have no money. I was blinded out of $120. Poker and alcohol are not a good mix. | ||||||
| 129 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 09:27 |
Pretty sure you can't get blinded out in cash games. You must have lost that money before you took the headfirst plunge onto the floor. Speaking of alcohol and poker, after midnight on Friday and Saturday have got to be the juicest times of the week to play. | ||||||
| 130 | Chuck ID: 3110521223 Fri, Nov 25, 2005, 03:10 |
Haven't been on in quite a while, but I wanted to report this one: PokerStars Tournament #15015518, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $3.00/$0.30 1303 players Total Prize Pool: $18039.00 Tournament started - 2005/11/17 - 20:15:00 (ET) Dear Chuck42181, You finished the tournament in 1st place. A $4,148.98 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 545.75 tournament leader points in this tournament. Nothing like going from $200 to $4000 in one night. "TheMFbat", the TLB leader a couple weeks back was in the final 3 and refused a 3-way chop. :) I'm glad he did... | ||||||
| 131 | ChicagoTRS ID: 21431823 Fri, Nov 25, 2005, 13:46 |
Congrats Chuck...that is a very nice win/payday! Me...I think I forgot how to play lately...can't seem to win. Playing terribly...just went through a streak where I was 55-6 in winning sessions...2-10 my last dozen...with some heavy losses mixed in. Not sure what is happenning...has me believing in the lose switch. | ||||||
| 132 | THK ID: 510431422 Fri, Nov 25, 2005, 13:48 | Nice finish Chuck! | ||||||
| 133 | Micheal ID: 1010242320 Sun, Nov 27, 2005, 20:26 |
How about this for pulling luck out of your ass. House game, $20 buy in and start with $1500, 14 people, $160 first place. Down to 6 and I'm the chip leader by about 3K. There are 2 short stacks, 2 average stacks and 2 big stacks with mine the biggest. Position 1 folds, 2 (short stack) goes all in, I go all in, guy to my left goes all in, small blind folds and the BB, with 3 all ins in front of him and not short stacked, goes all in. The guy to my right has pocket J's, I have pocket K's, the guy to my left has pocket 8's. I thought for sure the BB had A's since he called 3 all ins. The flop comes and I avoid an 8 and J. Turn, nothing. River is an A and I was steaming because the guy called 3 all ins with a fukking Ad-9d and lucked out on the river. That was a huge pot and he had a 10-1 chip lead over everyone after that and went on to win. I asked him how the f**k could you call 3 all ins with A-9s and he said that they were suited and he hadn't played a hand in half an hour and he wanted to play. 1st position folded an Ace to make it even worse. WTF...stupidity pays off sometimes and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. | ||||||
| 134 | Farn Sustainer ID: 451044109 Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 02:36 |
I just need to vent. I typically play all my poker at Bodog. Well, I've been taking some brutal beats lately. Tonight I just flat out lost it. I've been playing headsup games for a good 2 weeks or so. What drove me to the edge tonight was how every time I got all my chips in with the better hand I lost. My pocket pair against 2 over cards or some idiot calling with A7 unsuited. And they always make their higher pair or a garbage straight (or in 1 case tonight a flush using 1 card). But tonight it went too far. I lost 8 consecutive headsup matchups when all the money was in the pot and I had the lead. 8 straight. My pocket pair lost every single time to a hand that was behind, albeit AQ, JTen, AK, whatever. I know its a coinflip, but that means 50%. I lost 8 straight. And it would probably be more if I kept playing. Fortunately all the people taking my money were kind enough to say "geez, sorry, thanks for the game." That always makes me feel better about continuously losing when you have the better hand. p.s. at one point tonight I flopped trips and a guy called going all in with no hand at all and caught runner runner for the flush. :) | ||||||
| 135 | wiggs Donor ID: 04991311 Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 11:23 |
Farn, I play at bodog as well. LEt me know when you are playing sometime and I will sit at a table with you. I have been catching some bad bad beats there as well, but i am still ahead since i started. I have been playing more cash games lately, but i do the heads up tourneys as well. What is your handle there? | ||||||
| 137 | Da Bomb ID: 43359416 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 04:00 |
This particular game wasn't for money, but now I can say I witnessed the impossible: Blinds(100/200) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to DaBomb [ 6s 6c ] JJW3000 calls [100]. DaBomb is all-In [1000] JJW3000 calls [1000]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Jh, Kh ] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ] ** Dealing River ** [ Qh ] JJW3000 shows Royal Flush. DaBomb shows two pairs, queens and sixes. #52365977634: JJW3000 wins 2400 chips from the main pot with Royal Flush. | ||||||
| 138 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 11:19 |
Improbable. A few months ago I was sitting across from the guy who runs a local card room in the wee hours. He flopped a royal. Never made a noise. Called all the way down. Turned it over, and just sat there. I did a triple-take before realizing what had happened. He wasn't on the clock and won a $3200 jackpot. (if he was on the clock, it would have been a table-split). As it was he gave everyone at the table a rack of white chips. | ||||||
| 139 | THK ID: 510431422 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 12:03 | Finally found a good game in Indy. Went to play some 1-2 NL last night and walked away up $435. | ||||||
| 140 | Sludge ID: 581043311 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 12:44 |
Since we're talking Royal Flush stories (it deserves to be capitalized), here's my one and only... And here's the accompanying chat: === Begin Chat === Dealer: sludge_7001, it's your turn. You have 15 seconds to act sludge_7001: sorry bro... it's mine dukester69: lol dukester69: what Dealer: sludge_7001 has a Royal Flush Dealer: dukester69 has a full house, Tens full of Aces imalilslow: wow Dealer: Game #1414499237: sludge_7001 wins pot (4970) with a Royal Flush dukester69: no way J_Twizzy: wow Lostboi76: no f'n way! imalilslow: nh dukester69: i'm still in shock Lostboi76: you lucky *******! =) sludge_7001: i tried to warn him dukester69: common J_Twizzy: lol Lostboi76: lol dukester69: how the hell could i expect that Dealer: dukester69, it's your turn. You have 15 seconds to act dukester69: i thought you just had a flush dukester69: i had a full house wasn't gonna turn that down Dealer: sludge_7001 has a straight, Five to Nine Dealer: Game #1414505947: sludge_7001 wins pot (1950) with a straight, Five to Nine Dealer: Limits going up: blinds 75/150 Dealer: Game #1414512232: nantell wins pot (375) dukester69: frig i'm still in shock nantell: ad dukester69: aces over 10's full house dukester69: then you come in with the best possible hand in poker Dealer: Game #1414515495: imalilslow wins pot (3675) dukester69: a ****ing royal flush === End Chat === The "sorry bro" comment came after a T on the turn (he had AT). I checked, he bet pretty hard. I made the comment, then went all-in. He still called. | ||||||
| 141 | Farn Sustainer ID: 451044109 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 13:09 |
I can top the bad beat stories today. Last night I'm playing a NL cash game. I'm dealt pocket 4's. The table idiot raises the big blind 2x. I reraise to 5x the big blind and he goes all in. I knew he had crap, just had that feeling. So I called. He has A8 unsuited. Flop: 448 Turn: 8 River: yep, you know its coming... EIGHT I was all in preflop. Flopped 4 of a kind. And lost to a guy catch runner runner for his own 4 of a kind. Yeah, that's great. He then proceeded to tell me I sucked. :) | ||||||
| 142 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 13:35 | Those bad beats are dream hands at some local casinos around here. Both of you would have left at least 50K richer. | ||||||
| 143 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 13:36 | Well... not Duke - I see it's a tourney. | ||||||
| 144 | Frick@Work Donor ID: 3410101718 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 13:37 |
I don't know what to say to that Farn. Good play on your part, but I would keep playing with the guy you should eventually end up with all of his money with bets like that. THK, did you play in in a live game in Indy? If so would you mind e-mailing me some info, I doubt I can ever make it out of the house, but hopefully. | ||||||
| 145 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 15:54 |
Farn, that is not a bad beat. A bad beat is when your money goes into the pot when you are a significant favorite. When your money went into the pot you were about an 8% favorite to win the hand. Also, what the heck were you doing calling an all in preflop with pocket 4's? His line was a lot better than yours. Unless he somehow exposed A8 suited to you then it should've been an autocall. Your read needs to be 90-95% accurate to make calling his all-in a profitable play. | ||||||
| 146 | Farn Sustainer ID: 451044109 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 16:05 | beastiemiked: my read was right. I knew it was. He was raising with pure crap and I knew I had a coinflip. I had no doubt he had 2 overcards and that more than likely they probably weren't suited or connected. (Note that I say his were unsuited and you said he was suited.) And I was right. I trusted my read on a bad player and was rewarded with a tough beat. I guess I won't call it bad, more like brutal the way it played out. | ||||||
| 147 | wiggs Donor ID: 04991311 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 16:52 |
I think also by you pushing the action puts you on a bigger hand then you had. Pocket pairs are pocket pairs and they are always a coin flip unless someone has a higher pocket pair. One thing you left out, how much was the 2X raise, how much was the 5X raise and how much more did you have to commit to the all in. It takes a very bad poker player to call a 5x raise with an A8 Off. | ||||||
| 148 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 17:48 |
My turn to vent. I mainly play live and don't play a lot of tourneys. I don't watch them on TV either, so perhaps I don't know proper strategy, but this can't be the right way to play: The first hand I took this woman all in with, I have K9s on the button, the flop comes 964 rainbow, check to me, and I'm all in. She calls with Q4os. Q4. Of course she catches her Q on the turn. She was short-stacked, so I'm still playing. Why the heck would you call all in, bottom pair? 10 hands later, I'm playing J10s, small blind. minimum raise pre-flop so the pot's decent size. Flop comes KQ4 rainbow again. 4 players in, so I figure I'll semi-bluff having a K, but still have likely 8-13 outs and a backdoor flush. I go all in figuring I have a good chance to steal the pot against anything but a K, and maybe even then. No high pocket pairs given pre-flop action. I knock the other players out, and this same lady, last to act, calls all-in with A5os. I can't even fathom that. Of course I don't catch any of my outs and I'm done. I guess I could have checked, but what the heck was she even in that hand for, much less calling all-in with ace high? Of course two hands later her luck runs out, but too late for me. How should I have played that open-ender? I'm at about 6K. Blinds are 500, 1000. | ||||||
| 149 | Sludge ID: 581043311 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:30 |
What was the buy-in, bili? You said you mainly play live, but was this an internet tourney? My experience in playing the very small buy-in tourneys (I only play in the sit-and-go's 1 or 5 table with $5 and $1 buy-ins, respectively... what can I say? I just dabble.) is that your tale of woe is the norm rather than the exception. Some of the things I've learned: 1) Position means nothing to the majority of people in these tournaments. 2) Raises of 3-4 times the big blind? Hah! You raised? *THAT* puny amount? 3) Look! I got 34 suited! SUITED CONNECTERS! They're good, aren't they? Oh, you raised me 4 times the big blind? Easy call. 4) A3 offsuit! A BULLET! Oh, you raised me 4 times the big blind? Easy call. I looooovvveee my bullets, yessiree. 5) 33 in the small blind! SWEET! A pocket pair! Oh, there was a raise then a re-raise in front of me? But it's a pair! They're good, aren't they? I looooovvvveee my pocket pairs, yessiree. I don't care what they are. 6) 82 offsuit, and I'm in the big blind. Hmm... Guy with the big yellow thingy in front of him just raised me 3 times the big blind. Hmm... What to do, what to do? Well, I have to protect my blind, don't I? 7) Yipee! Me and 5 others got to see a cheap flop after I limped in with my J5 offsuit. The flop came J26! TOP PAIR, BABY! #'s 8 and 9 are the same as #7 except apply to a flop of AJ6 and AKJ, respectively. 10) Damn, that river didn't help me. No pair and no draw with just ten high? I'll bluff! Ooops, he just re-raised me all-in. Well, I think I'll follow through with my bluff and call. (THIS one NEVER ceases to amaze me.) | ||||||
| 150 | Sludge ID: 581043311 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:32 |
How should I have played that open-ender? I'm at about 6K. Blinds are 500, 1000. Four players, minimum raise? That puts the pot at 8000? You have 4000 left in your stack, then? All-in is not a bad play there, I don't think. What amazes me, though, is that only one person called. They must have been calling that post oak with some real rags. | ||||||
| 151 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:41 |
$30 buy-in 45 players, including alternates. Nice local casino that generally attracts decent players, at least with live, 3-6 and 4-8 limit hold 'em. All the other players seemed to be okay. No glaring errors that I saw. Just this woman. Just my luck I end up heads-up with her all-in twice. I've never played for money on them internets. Too easy to play too much, and I like the comradarie of going out, having a beer and a free dinner, and learning something from decent players. | ||||||
| 152 | biliruben Leader ID: 589301110 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 18:44 | I had about 6K post-flop, but that shouldn't change things too much. | ||||||
| 153 | leggestand ID: 11102399 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 19:00 |
Sludge 149. That is the best analysis about sit n go's ever. It is truly amazing. | ||||||
| 154 | Sludge ID: 58754922 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:34 |
Too easy to play too much, and I like the comradarie of going out, having a beer and a free dinner, and learning something from decent players. Free dinner? Casino takes a rake, don't they? TANSTAAFL! Anyway, hearing that it was a live tourney with a reasonable buy-in makes me wonder about that woman. Was she drunk? Just come off of a bad beat (or what she perceived as a bad beat)? | ||||||
| 155 | Da Bomb ID: 43359416 Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 21:25 |
Instances like this almost make me never want to play again, almost, no not really, but anyway: I have Kd4c. I have a fairly decent chip lead so I call the BB. Flop comes 448 rainbow. Pot is raised by some guy by a decent margin and called by 6 others. One person goes all in with about 18K in chips. I go all in with 20K in chips. Everyone else folds. He has a Q and the other 4. Yes! I just won a huge pot due to my K kicker, not. Turn is a Q. Game, set, match. I hang on for little while longer but am out soon enough. | ||||||
| 156 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 10:57 |
Was she drunk? Just come off of a bad beat? It was 11am, so I don't think she was drunk. She was wearing a Washington Huskies jersey, so she's had a whole season of bad beatings, but I don't think that's what you meant. I just think she wasn't much of a poker player. Maybe her husband was also in the tourney and dragged her in, and she had some Christmas shopping she would rather be doing. Dunno. | ||||||
| 157 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 10:59 | Da Bomb - I'm not sure why either of you were in that hand. You aren't following the logic in 149 as a 10 step method for success, are you? | ||||||
| 158 | Sludge ID: 581043311 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 11:39 |
I'm not sure why either of you were in that hand. To be fair, I don't mind limping in with a decent hand (I doubt I would have limped with Da Bomb's hand) hoping to catch a monster. It works great on micro-limit tables where everyone loves to limp and plays their top pair with 2 kicker like they raised the pot and were head's up. The trick is not doing the same. In Da Bomb's case, he caught his monster, and I would have gone down the same way. (Noting again that I wouldn't have even been in that hand in all likelihood, even from the button.) That said, however, if you catch your monster in an unraised hand with 6 others seeing the flop, there is no such thing as a bad beat in my opinion. Sure, I get pissed when someone outdraws me, but I know and accept that it's going to happen more often than it otherwise would if I were raising. (But not much more... see observation 2 above - case and point... I just now... in the past minute while composing this... had Aces busted after raising 6 times the big blind and having some idiot draw out his little flush from the big blind). | ||||||
| 159 | biliruben ID: 531202411 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 12:18 |
Ouch. I'm not saying I don't limp with some marginal hands in position, just not quite that marginal. Just pointing out that those hands are long-term big losers. | ||||||
| 160 | ChicagoTRS ID: 421042110 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 12:40 |
Here is my pisser hand of the evening... .50-1 NL 6 handed table...table is playing pretty solid. I have ~$100. Get dealt 77 in the small blind. Big stack ~$300 in early position raises to 4...dealer position with ~$50 calls...I call from the small blind. Flop QQ7...flippin bingo! I check...big stack bets the pot 12...dealer calls...I call (thought about raising but I think I am in good shape and with both players in the pot I do not want to scare either out especially having to act first each round). ~50 in the pot Turn QQ7A...well I do not like seeing an ace. Check again...big stack bets 20...dealer position player goes all-in for ~15 more. Back to me...not too concerned with the player in the dealer position since as long as I beat the big stack I will make money. Should I raise or call? Well I choose to call because I do not necessarily want to scare him out of the hand...with the call I figure I am in the hand until the showdown. Big stack reraises me all-in ~50 more...I cross my fingers and call...big stack has AA...dealer pos has KK...river is a brick...~250 pot to the big stack aces full of queens. Another player chimes in and says he folded Q7 preflop. What a setup that hand was...As full of Qs...Qs full of 7s...7s full of Qs...and pocket Ks. I figure the dealer position player screwed me just calling the preflop raise with KK...if he reraises I get out of the way and let those two go at it. Got my money back around 20 hands later when my AA held up against the big stacks AK on a K high flop. Got in a good headsup match the night before...playing PL .50-1 I have around ~150...other player has ~100...early I am getting decent flops...top pair...two pair...etc...I am betting aggressive...other player calling with flippin nothing but catching cards on the turn and river and after around 40 hands I am down to around $25 and a little steamed after taking ~8 really ugly beats. This player is calling with anything...hoping the luck/catching cards will not hold up. Start betting the pot everytime I catch anything...triple up (small stack joined for a few hands)....double up again back to back hands and I am quickly back to 125...few hands later win another big pot when I get a little lucky (most of the money went in after I caught my card but it was a lucky inside straight catch all the same)...around 20 hands later I have around ~270 and close the table =) The final kill was when my K3 cracked AA on a KK7 flop...limping with aces kills ya sometimes. Really enjoy playing headsup especially if I can afford to lose...can take really big swings quickly playing an aggressive player. Last four nights back to winning at least a little...booked 3 of 4 wins. Still licking my wounds at lower limit tables...my bankroll is still in jeopardy. Biggest swing I have ever experienced and will book my 2nd losing month in the last 23. Not used to losing...it is going to take awhile before I am able to cash out again...will take at least 3 solid winning months before my bankroll is back in place and I can cash out again...sucks...going to increase my bankroll...I hate being in this situation where I have to step down in limits to protect my playing money...made one initial deposit 2 years ago and never want to have to make another. | ||||||
| 161 | Da Bomb ID: 43359416 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 15:43 |
Re: 156-157 I had a sizeable chip lead. Besides one other person, I probably had at least 50% more than the 3rd highest. It was still early, so the blinds were relatively small (and miniscule compared to my chip count). However, if someone had raised preflop I probably would have folded, but no one did. But I felt calling the BB (which was .15% my chip count) was more than worth it. I feel getting a monster, or even a two pair, on the flop outweighed the negative of losing .15% of my chips. | ||||||
| 162 | ChicagoTRS ID: 421042110 Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 15:52 |
New poker thread started...this one is getting a bit long. New poker thread... | ||||||
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