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Subject: GuruGolf 2005
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Jan 25, 2005, 14:56
I'm finally getting set up. The first issue to deal with is the tournament schedule. Like last year, we'll start the season with one or two weeks of "preseason", which won't count. The purpose of this is not only to give me an opportunity to test out the site in advance, but also to provide newcomers with a chance to try out the game before the true competition begins. However, I don't expect that I'll allocate more than 2 weeks to preseason.
There are only two weeks during the season for which the tournament selection is up in the air. The tournaments in question are the WGC events in August and October. Neither of these tournaments have a cut, but they will have strong fields. Simultaneous PGA tour events (with a cut) are held those weeks - the Reno-Tahoe Open (Aug), and the Southern Farm Bureau Classic (Oct.). The August event is the week sandwiched in between the PGA Championship and the Buick Championship (Hartford). The October event is between the Chrysler Classic of Greensboro and the Michelin Championship at Las Vegas.
Because the cut is such an important aspect of GuruGolf, I'm inclined to go with the two events that have cuts, even though they will have much lower quality fields. By August and October, price will not be a limiting factor for those tournaments. But it may be more interesting to select a foursome of lesser-quality golfers than to pick a foursome of big names who cannot be cut. Does anyone think that this is a bad approach?
The final issue is the length of the season. I'm prepared to run the game through the Tour Championship, which is at the beginning of November. However, if that's too long, I could be persuaded to end it earlier - conceivably as early as the final Major, which is the PGA Championship in the second week of August. My preference would be for the longer season, but again, I'd like feedback. Is there a sufficient lack of interest in the fall events?
Here is the proposed schedule (the first two events would probably be "preseason"):
1 FBR Open (Jan. 31-Feb. 6)
2 AT&T Pebble Beach National Pro-Am (Feb. 7-13)
3 Nissan Open (Feb. 14-20)
4 Chrysler Classic of Tucson (Feb. 21-27)
5 Ford Championship at Doral (Feb. 28-March 6)
6 The Honda Classic (March 7-13)
7 Bay Hill Invitational Presented by MasterCard (March 14-20)
8 THE PLAYERS Championship (March 21-27)
9 BellSouth Classic (March 28-April 3)
10 The Masters (April 4-10)
11 MCI Heritage (April 11-17)
12 Shell Houston Open (April 18-24)
13 Zurich Classic of New Orleans (April 25-May 1)
14 Wachovia Championship (May 2-8)
15 EDS Byron Nelson Championship (May 9-15)
16 Bank of America Colonial (May 16-22)
17 FedEx St. Jude Classic (May 23-29)
18 the Memorial Tournament (May 30-June 5)
19 Booz Allen Classic (June 6-12)
20 U.S. Open # (June 13-19)
21 Barclays Classic (June 20-26)
22 Cialis Western Open (June 27-July 3)
23 John Deere Classic (July 4-10)
24 British Open (July 11-17)
25 U.S. Bank Championship in Milwaukee (July 18-24)
26 Buick Open (July 25-31)
27 The INTERNATIONAL (Aug. 1-7)
28 PGA Championship # (Aug. 8-14)
29 WGC-NEC Invitational -or- Reno-Tahoe Open (Aug. 15-21)
30 Buick Championship (Aug. 22-28)
31 Deutsche Bank Championship (Aug. 29-Sept. 5)
32 Bell Canadian Open (Sept. 5-11)
33 84 LUMBER Classic (Sept. 12-18)
34 Valero Texas Open (Sept. 19-25)
35 Chrysler Classic of Greensboro (Sept. 26-Oct. 2)
36 WGC-American Express Championship -or- Southern Farm Bureau Classic (Oct. 3-9)
37 Michelin Championship at Las Vegas (Oct. 10-16)
38 FUNAI Classic at the WALT DISNEY WORLD Resort (Oct. 17-23)
39 Chrysler Championship (Oct. 24-30)
40 THE TOUR Championship presented by Coca-Cola (Oct. 31-Nov. 6)
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| 24 | sarge33rd
ID: 440332322
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 19:00
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ditto
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| 25 | sarge33rd
ID: 440332322
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 19:04
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also just realized I hadnt responded to another query you put forth Guru, that being which tourney to go with on those weeks where you have options. I'd be in favor of scoring the tourneys with cuts, even if the fields are generally seen as "weaker". The cut aspect of a golf tourney, has SO much impact on a 4-man BB format, those weeks could be ground closers for managers who have conserved trades properly and can get in-out of them w/o harm. Generally weaker fields will mean generally lower priced players, so the field will be pretty level as to who can afford which groups of 4. The difference then, will be whose 4 make the cut and who can afford the trades vs who can afford the dollars.
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| 26 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 19:33
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I decided to implement the bonus trade for having the tournament winner. Also decided to go with the two "weaker" tournaments. Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on those and other issues.
The game has been launched. Feel free to register. The first two weeks will be "preseason", just for practice.
Please report any site issues here.
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| 27 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 20:50
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I like your decisions on the two issues. I loved the game last year and can't wait to play this year.
Without going back to the start of the thread isn't one of the WGC events fairly late in the season? The would be a good equilizer of roster value for one week, vs. the top teams could probably afford 4 big names every week by that point.
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| 28 | sarge33rd
ID: 440332322
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 20:55
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looking forward to another year of gurugolf!
now, can someone other than lockhart lead for a week this year? lol (IIRC, lockhart led wire to wire last season. A truly remarkable accomplishment.)
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| 29 | sarge33rd
ID: 440332322
Sun, Jan 30, 2005, 21:28
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registered, team created and roster established.
nicely setup Guru!
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| 30 | Eugene
ID: 49531112
Mon, Jan 31, 2005, 15:46
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I guess ill start it off..Tenative team for first practice tourney
Lefty
F Jacobson
Ober
W Austin
leaves 10 dollars for lunch!LOL
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| 31 | sarge33rd
ID: 440332322
Tue, Feb 01, 2005, 08:16
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went with VJ/Baddeley/Kendall/Perks and PG: J Ogilvie
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| 32 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Feb 01, 2005, 12:57
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Set up 3 teams and I have even volunteered to test the PG (Prov Golfer) with my 3rd team by adding in Carlos Franco whom has WD along w/Briny Baird. PG, Brain Davis, is cheaper and was listed in the original official field so should work fine.
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| 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 01, 2005, 13:07
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Just an early alert on provisional golfer processing: PG substitutions will not take place until the completion of round 1. So, if you have an obvious replacement, you won't actually see that reflected in your team scorecard until after first round scoring is complete.
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| 34 | Eugene
ID: 49531112
Wed, Feb 02, 2005, 22:54
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changed team already lol
Going with
Lefty
Leonard
B Haas
Ober
still have that 10 bucks left for lunch lol
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| 35 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:28
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Can someone remind me how to link directly to the standings? I am having trouble...
Thanks.
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| 36 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:36
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GuruGolf Standings
At this time there are no teams listed
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| 37 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:38
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Sorry...what I meant to ask was how to link directly to an individual team result...by-pass my login and go directly to each team results...
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| 38 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:42
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There is a GuruGolf standings link in the second drop-down menu. It isn't very useful today, since no teams are listed. But normally that will get you there.
If you want to get directly to the live scoring page for a team, the generic URL ishttp://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/grecap.cgi?nnnnn where "nnnnn" is your team ID number (either 4 or 5 digits). You can find your ID number by positioning the mouse cursor over the "Tourney Recap" link in the left menu at the GuruGolf site and reading the address in the status bar. The number appears just before "recap".
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| 39 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 11:52
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Thanks guru, that is what I was looking for...
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| 40 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 03, 2005, 13:02
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Best scores of the day may be messed up for awhile. I'm testing something else which might create glitches there. Just ignore 'em for now.
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| 41 | Smith32
ID: 201122710
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 08:50
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Guru,
My compliments in getting this up and running so well in just the first day of competition. I had Mediate on one roster and he was correctly replaced by Calc as my PG. Live scoring is great too. Keep up the good work.
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| 45 | Rex Davidson
ID: 37492717
Fri, Feb 04, 2005, 17:37
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#28. I'll certainly try, Sarge ... but only because you asked.
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| 46 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Sun, Feb 06, 2005, 00:53
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Guru,
When I'm viewing the Worst Ball standings and I click on any column to sort (like round 1) I receive a webpage for the sorted column for Best Ball instead
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| 47 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 00:18
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I'll look at the worstball sort issue tomorrow. Probably a simple fix.
All stats are run for the FBR Open, and trading is open for the next week.
I'm replicating the second week of the regular season, so all teams should have 4 trades available except for those that had Mickelson for week 1. They get a bonus trade, so they should have 5.
Let me know if anything (else) looks off.
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| 48 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 09:52
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Guru,
you might already be aware of this and it really doesn't matter for last week of preseason, but did you forget to add the 2 trades for this week which is usually added Sunday night?
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 10:22
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No, I didn't forget. You only get 4 trades coming out of the first week.
Essentially, for the opening week of the season, trades are unlimited. You can set that roster without regard to trades. Then, after the initial freeze, you get 4 trades. Starting with week #2, you get an extra 2 trades per week - but not until after the freeze each week.
What you are suggesting is tantamount to getting 6 trades to start the season.
This is all clearly laid out in item #4 of the rules. It is also the same as last year.
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| 50 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 11:18
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Ok, IIRC I was seeing 4 trades throughout the FBR, and then assumed another 2 would be added after the rosters were unfrozen. I checked my browser history to reverify seeing the 4 trades but it only calls up the current standings, grrrr, (which makes sense in one way since the content of the URL has changed, but what is the since of "history" if history updates itself to current?)
Anyway, back on track now, unlimited before the 1st week starts and then 4 trades rec'd after the roster is unfrozen after the last round is completed.
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| 51 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 11:41
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You were seeing 4 trades listed throughout the tournament. Trades have typically been added when the freeze occurs, and updated (i.e., post freeze) trade counts will appear in the standings when the first round scores of any tournament are posted. In this case, all teams had 4 trades listed until the completion of the tournament, when the extra trade was added to those teams that had Mickelson.
Perhaps it would be clearer if I simply waited until after the tournament ends to update all trade counts. I may do that from now on. Since I have to allocate bonus trades to teams with the winner, I might as well update all trade counts just before the new tournament opens for trading.
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| 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 11:42
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Meanwhile, I think I have fixed the standings glitch referenced in [46]. Hopefully, I didn't screw up something else at the same time.
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| 53 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 16:17
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Perhaps it would be clearer if I simply waited until after the tournament ends to update all trade counts.
Good Idea! )It would be one less thing to cornfuse me during my day. Of course there will be 3 more things to take that place.)
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| 54 | Twarpy
ID: 590451815
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 17:25
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Guru just curious if it would be easy to implement, but during a given round (live scoring) is there anyway to have something like the average score for the round for say the top 25 in the standings (or another customizable amount).
Last year and even yesterday (for fun) I was really curious as to how my team stacked up on average versus the other teams, not just the high for the day.
I also just casually follow golf (basically only watch the majors last rounds) and that adds to me wanting to know how I am stacking up against everyone else. So I guess this is a bit of a laziness/not knowing golf thing that if it's easy to implement might be fun, and if not no worries.
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| 55 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 17:53
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Not easy. Live scores are only being updated on request. So even the best score posted at any point isn't necessarily the best score among all teams at that point; it's just the best score that has been checked so far.
I guess I could keep track of the average score the same way, simply averaging the scores and posting them as they are calculated and updated. But I'm not sure what meaning that would have, since different teams are at different stages of completion all day long. If you have a lot of afternoon foursomes being checked in the morning, the averages would look artifically low until later in the day.
Thus, I'm afraid that even if the basic programming were simple, the result wouldn't be of much value.
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| 56 | Barrington
ID: 502516
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 12:34
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Guru, would be nice if we could see who our provisional golfers are for each team from the "My Account" page. Always found that page helpful with multiple teams to manage.
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| 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 12:35
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Good idea - will do that today.
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| 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 13:06
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That should be working now.
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| 59 | louky
ID: 550511210
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 19:09
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Guru, or anyone that knows, how far in advance can a line up be set. I apologize if this has been covered, didn't scan the whole thread.
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 19:28
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You cannot set your lineup for the current week until the previous tournament has completed, and player repricing has been finished. Typically, the freeze is lifted sometime on Sunday night.
There is no mechanism to make moves in advance of that.
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| 61 | louky
ID: 550511210
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 19:49
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Thanks Guru.... plan B ;)
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| 62 | louky
ID: 550511210
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 20:46
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Guru, will pre season pricing continue into the full season? I'm leaving town early Sunday morning, and have help lined up to set my teams. I can guestimate based on the 1st 3 days if I have to, will I have to?
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| 63 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 08, 2005, 21:03
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Preseason pricing will continue, although there will still be a price change after this week, so you will have to anticipate some changes. Players who miss the cut will drop 5%. Players not entered this week will not change. The rest will gain based on relative performance.
All rosters will be cleared after this week's tournament. So every team will need to be loaded from scratch.
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| 64 | DWetzel not home
ID: 47121911
Wed, Feb 09, 2005, 12:22
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It may be a good idea to add the "bonus trade" for the winner to the rules. I didn't see that in there. (It's possible that I just missed it, but I'm pretty sure it's not there.) Having missed that part of the discussion in this thread, I had no idea what you all were talking about until a short time ago.
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| 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 09, 2005, 13:10
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Good catch. I had added that to the "news" page, but forgot to add it to the rules as well.
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| 66 | sarge33rd
ID: 180522216
Fri, Feb 11, 2005, 18:00
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guru, I see my squad showing 2 trades availabel. thought I would have 4.
started with 4, swapped out 2 for this week and got 2 for the week. should leave 4. (i cant say on the "how" the 2 were traded as for some reason wed night I was unable to access rotoguru1.xxx. I got to rotoguru.com, but nothing beyond that would open, even when entered directly into the address bar. hence, I had katie do the trades for me.)
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| 67 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 11, 2005, 18:08
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In order to avoid confusion (which has apparently already failed), I have not yet added in the 2 new trades. During the regular season, they will be added after the tournament ends, along with the bonus trade for any team which has the winner.
Thus, you started with 4, and used 2, so you still have only 2. If this was a regular season week, an additional 2 would be added at the completion of the current tournament, and you'd have 4 to start with next week.
Of course, all teams will actually have unlimited trades next week, since rosters will be cleared for the start of the season.
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| 68 | sarge33rd
ID: 55152818
Fri, Feb 11, 2005, 18:38
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np then Guru. Thx for the quick response.
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| 69 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Sat, Feb 12, 2005, 15:53
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Guru,
When I manually refresh the live scoring page, the left side tool bar/links disappear to:
File Not Found
The requested URL was not found on this server.
The live scoring still displays fine, but i lose the option to go to My Account, Manage Roster, etc...
I am using firefox, is this just a function of by browser, or are others experiencing this issue?
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| 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Feb 12, 2005, 16:31
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You need to refresh just the right frame, and not the entire browser window.
There are several ways to do this.
1. Just click on the left menu link for "Tourney Recap". Of course, that will bring up the scoring page for the team you have selected in the "My Account" page. If you were looking at a different team, you may not want to go back to the original team.
2. Right click on the scoring page, select "This Frame" and then "Reload Frame"
3. Open the live scoring page in a separate browser window or tab. You don't actually need to be logged into your team to see that page. You do that the same way as refreshing the frame, by simply choose the "Open frame in new window" or "... new tab". Once you have that page isolated, you can refresh it as you normally would with any page.
You might even want to bookmark that page once you have it isolated. That way, you can easily pull it up without going through the login process. Login is only necessary when you are making roster moves.
BTW, the page should automatically refresh itself every 15 minutes, so another way to accomplish this is to do nothing but wait.
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| 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 16, 2005, 15:01
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I added an asterisk after the name of each GuruPatron on the standings page. This is not only to give those people recognition, but some prizes this year will be restricted to GuruPatrons, so an identifier will be useful to track prize standings for those events.
My process for identifying GuruPatrons is not foolproof. If you should be asterisked and are not, please let me know (either send me an email or post a message here). And if I have incorrectly attributed GuruPatron status to anyone, I'd appreciate knowing that too.
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| 72 | StLCards
ID: 27422517
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 12:44
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I found a minor problem, at least for me anyway. If I go look at someone else's team and then look at one of their other teams from the drop down, I can't get back to my team without relogging in. If I only look at the first team of the other manager without looking at one of their other teams from the drop down, then I can get back to my team fine.
Just wanted to give you a heads up on this to see if it is truly a problem or just something on my end. Not really a big issue. Thanks.
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| 73 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 1584348
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 12:52
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If you click on the left tab's "Tourney Recap" you should get back to your team without re-logging in.
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| 74 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 1584348
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 12:53
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never mind. I see your issue.
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 3143299
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 13:03
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Interesting. I should be able to correct that.
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| 76 | Guru
ID: 3143299
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 13:35
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I just tried a quick fix, which (amazingly) seems to be working. Hopefully, nothing else is screwed up in the process.
You should be able to get back to your team by clicking on the "Tourney Recap" link in the left menu, or by simply using your browser's back button enough times to get there.
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