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Subject: 2002 Free Agent Signings and Trades
Posted by: The Left Wings
- [760719] Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 06:55
Adam Oates goes to the Ducks. Paul Kariya might finally have a decent center after all these years. Problem is, he needs a right winger now, and Jeff Friesen is a left winger.
Yesterday, Berezin was traded from the Habs to the Hawks for a 4th round pick. You'd think the Habs could get more than that. |
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| 29 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 15:37
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its all up to the Polish Gretzky now
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| 30 | Die_Habs
ID: 3808811
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 00:30
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Guerin signs with the Stars for 5 yrs 45 million. After seeing Leaf mgmt talking about deals they have on the go and that Kasp and Holik had other issues (ie. new york). I think it is hard to get american born players to play for a Canadian team, especially the buds (ie. guerin).
Guerin would of done well in Toronto, may he break his leg in the first game for dallas.
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| 31 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 00:32
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Guerin to the Stars for $9 mill/season.
The guy had 66 points last year. 32nd overall in scoring in a year that was the lowest for individual scoring in a long time.
I know 41 goals is a fair number but still - that is a career year for him. Is the madness ever going to end?
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| 32 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 04:58
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even taking a look at the mid-level teams that are losing these free agents and you can see the affect of the NHL's fiscal state on the game... where will Boston be without Guerin and Dafoe? Pittsburgh without Lang? Vancouver without Cassels and Lachance? (there are a ton more examples to be sure) the distance is sure spreading between the have and have-not teams
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| 33 | Wild Vikings
ID: 26210202
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 13:11
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Too many 9 million dollar contracts floating around out there, I just became pro salary cap.
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| 34 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 14:45
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Yes, salary cap is needed. Hopefully it becomes a reality and hopefully it is an effective one - not one that has a limit that most teams won't reach anyways.
And it also has to be as air tight as possible, without the loopholes that exist today (an example being the trades of Richter and Joseph for draft picks in lieu of compensation).
Trouble is, I don't think the league will be able to easily implement a cap. The union sounds like it will never go for it.
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| 35 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 15:55
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thats the unions job -- but, on the other hand, its Bettman's to make this league interesting for all of the cities involved, not just those with huge budgets. Its a huge clash and I dont think Bettman can afford to blink on this one -- No more hockey without a cap.
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| 36 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 16:15
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Well that's what I mean though. Of course it is the union's job to not go for a cap and keep the doors to limitations for the players closed.
But even if Bettman doesn't blink, the union may not either.
I hope that something is worked out and a sensible cap will be implemented. Although I think there are other things that would need to be done besides a cap. That's only part of the solution.
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| 37 | Wild Vikings
ID: 26210202
Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 23:30
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SAY NO MORE IN 2004!!! CAP THE GAP!!!
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| 38 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 07:36
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Richter goes back to the Rangers. So the Rangers are supposed to give the Oilers something. I wonder what the "future considerations" were when they traded him to the Oilers?
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| 39 | Puckprophet
ID: 54371812
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 09:58
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...sather's '84 K car , and a set of ratty old golf clubs
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| 40 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 15:25
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Wow, the oilers should be able to parlay that into something -- maybe a 2nd line centerman?
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| 41 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 16:10
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Dallas gets Scott Young, reuniting him with Pierre Turgeon, who helped him scored 40 goals a couple of seasons ago. So, Dallas just bought 40 goals.
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| 42 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 17:29
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Nice. Not that I'd especially like the Stars but they definitely deserve better than what they got last season... Young will fit in just nicely I reckon.
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| 43 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 19:05
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Well, Dallas bought a potential 40 goals. Maybe they only bought 19 like last year ;)
In all likelyhood Dallas will rebound though - they won't miss the playoffs.
And, as much as I hate to say it, the Rangers have to make the playoffs this year with all the players they have - don't they? (Although I would have thought they would have the last 3 years)
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| 44 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 19:59
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Woa!! - Stop the press!! The Canucks sign Goalie Tyler Moss. Look out Cup Finals, here we come!!
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| 45 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 20:40
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Not going to go all out and predict a cup win eh Cuz
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| 46 | Sypher
ID: 1368521
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 21:14
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Canucks are done this year...with Cassels gone, all the oppositions checkers will focus on Naslund and Bertuzzi...leaving who exactly to score goals? The Sedins? Linden? yea right. Defence is weak with LaChance gone. Goaltending average. Prediction: unless they sign someone better than Moss - 9th-10th spot.
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| 47 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 22:29
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I couldnt agree more -- this team was barely in 8th with Cassels and Lachance.
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| 48 | Puckprophet
ID: 54371812
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 22:41
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leafs may be close to signing amonte ; selanne stays home with a 13M/2yr deal...i'd favour an all-american line of modano , young , guerin...but what do i know.....
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| 49 | Puckprophet
ID: 54371812
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 22:53
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here's van's roster let's pick it apart...i don't see much , past naslund , bertuzzi ,+ morrison ..i have no faith in cloutier , altho he burned me a few times last year..[when he was hot]
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| 50 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 23:00
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they'll stick Young with Turgeon to start for a second-line resembling St.Louis' first 2 years ago.
not hard to pick apart Vancouver's roster... the defense pairings look quite sad
jovanovski, ohlund, sopel, helmer, baron... the rest are minor leaguers (not that the last three aren't)
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| 51 | Puckprophet
ID: 54371812
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 23:49
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where will dafoe , alfie and iginla end up?
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| 52 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Sat, Jul 06, 2002, 00:54
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I think in the end Iginla will stay in Calgary, and Dafoe may be headed for Philly.....but who really knows.
On Amonte, I hope the Leafs do sign him instead of again being close to signing a big name....Personally, I think the Leafs made a mistake by signing Belfour instead of Dafoe.
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| 53 | Leaf ~Fanatic
ID: 554591019
Sat, Jul 06, 2002, 20:31
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Yea the Leafs messed up. I think Belfour is decent but too old. They could have had Dafoe for much less and for longer. I don't think Amonte will sign in Toronto because the top players don't seem to like coming to Canada for various fiscal reasons.
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| 54 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 01:19
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New Jersey and Anaheim pull of a huge deal
Sykora, Commodore, J-F Damphousse and a prospect to Anaheim for Friesen and Tverdovsky
Anaheim gives up a lot in two hugely gifted players
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| 55 | The Left Wings
ID: 54591923
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 05:56
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Looks like a pretty good deal for the Ducks. They finally have one decent line for the first time in franchise history.
Kariya-Rucchin-Selanne? Rucchin's a joke. If they had somebody semi-decent, that season when Selanne and Kariya finished 2-3 in scoring would have been different with them finishing 1-2.
Kariya-Oates-Sykora could be deadly.
However, they'll still be a one-line team.
Perhaps they'll split them up in two lines.
But Kariya MUST play with Oates... He desperately needs him.
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| 56 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 05:59
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They may be gifted but they are under-achieving up to this point. Especially Tverdovski. Maybe Friesen hasn't had enough time to prove himself but Tverdovski sure has. Besides, at least Anaheim is finally attempting to do something to get their team on the right track. It was obvious that the personel they had wasn't working so why sit on that knowing it won't...?
I dunno about you but a Kariya/Oates/Sykora line looks pretty scary.
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| 57 | Leaf~Fanatic
ID: 554591019
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 17:05
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I agree that line looks pretty intimidating.
More hot news from Vancouver - they signed defenceman Jaroslav Obsut. And who says the Canucks do nothing in the off season. ;)
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| 58 | The Left Wings
ID: 28851619
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 19:41
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Jaroslav who?
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| 59 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 22:24
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him and Moss will form part of a new scoring line... are they forwards?
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| 60 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 23:58
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Heh, wow. Too bad the Vancouver Province and Sun are on strike - these are vital Canuck signings to report! Obsut! Moss!
Andrew Cassels and LaChance are distant memories now right? Right??
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| 61 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Thu, Jul 11, 2002, 19:33
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Oh... the newspapers are on strike? Oh well...
The Canucks added Nolan Baumgartner today too. You know, the famous draft pick that was involved in both the Sundin-Clark deal and the 6-for-1 Lindros deal. It got traded one more time to the Caps before they finally used it.
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| 62 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Thu, Jul 11, 2002, 23:41
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If the Canucks keep making these amazing signings they will have a damn good farm team in Vancouver.
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| 63 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 02:20
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You mean in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
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| 64 | Wild Vikings
ID: 26210202
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 02:26
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MoooooooSe
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| 65 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 03:29
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No, I don't mean Winnipeg - I was making reference to all the minor league quality of players they were signing who apparently, according to Dave Nonus, have an excellent chance of making the big club.
Sort of a weak attempt at humor.
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| 66 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 09:48
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Domi back in Toronto.
Alfredsson back with the Sens.
Good news for a couple of Canadian teams at least.
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| 67 | jd
ID: 306111112
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 10:42
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Anyone know who Brasher has signed with?
On ESPN's site the heading reads "Brasher,Toronto agree to three-year deal" but later in the same article it say Brasher has signed a 3 year deal with Philadelphia.
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| 68 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 15:30
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Amonte signs with Phoenix.
Brashear resigned with Philly.
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| 69 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 16:47
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Amonte to Phoenix - who would have seen that one coming.
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| 70 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 16:50
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$6 million/year. That's lower than I would have thought too. Not that I think he is worth that much or more - just that the Rangers probably offered him alot more money than that.
The Western conference gets that much tougher - Vancouver is in deep trouble this year unless they can do something other than sit around and watch.
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| 71 | Ira
ID: 1591458
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 18:05
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Anaheim gets better... Olausson signed with'em for 1 year- expect him to be a replacement for Tverdovsky
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| 72 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 19:11
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The Western Conference is going to be a battle this year.
Detroit, Dallas, Colorado, St.Louis, San Jose, Phoenix are all pretty saound choices to make the playoffs.
Anaheim is much improved - although not neccessarily a playoff team yet, they will be significantly harder to play against.
So that leaves which two teams out of Edmonton, Chicago, LA, Vancouver and on an outside chance Calgary, Anaheim or even Minnesota to make the playoffs?
If I had to chose right now based on current rosters I'd have to pick Edmonton and LA.
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| 73 | JayTDawg
ID: 57327171
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 22:02
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same with the east too... it looks as though the rangers and capitals are going to be in, and teams like boston getting weaker
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| 74 | Ira
ID: 1591458
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 22:06
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Vancouver is a young team and will get better every year. Cloutier can only improve, Bertuzzi looks like one of the best forwards in the league near the end of the season, and if Naslund can stay healthy, it'll make a big difference. Cassells leaving will definetly hurt them, but look for players like the Sedins to step up next season..
Being from Edmonton, I cant really say anything bad about the Oilers.. Dopita will help so much as a 2nd line center, something the Oilers just couldnt find last season, and expect Dopita and York to have chemistry on that second line. Comrie will probably score anywhere from 30-40 goals next year if Ryan Smyth can manage to stay healthy. Expect the top line to get much more points this year and Smyth getting hurt put a big dent in that line for a couple months... That top line had the most points up to where Smyth was injured. Expect Smyth to have his best season next year.
Chicago will definetly not repeat last year's performance, as their top player (Amonte) is gone, and their next best forward (Zhamnov) is injury-prone and was very lucky to play so much last season. Housley, their best D-man is 38 and probably wont do as well as his last 2 seasons with this club. Boris Mironov, their second top d-man is currently injred (Not sure how long), but that might harm the defence. Mark Bell and Kyle Calder probably wont get as much points as last season as they faded slowly last season and were unnoticed the last few months. Berezin, Nylander & Sullivan are my bets to be the top 3 point producers on this team next season.
Colorado will have no problem rising to the top next season, as Forsberg, possibly their best player, is back from injury. Him, Drury & Reinprecht will no doubt be the league's top second line next season as Drury always kicks ass when he plays with Forsberg. Hejduk & Tanguay will likely improve next season as their experience in the NHL grows, and Patrick Roy will have another outstanding season.
Dallas may be the most improved Western conference team next season with thier addition of Billy Guerin. Modano and him may be one of the best 1-2 punches since Kariya-Selanne. With Lehtinen and Modano already having good chemistry, there's no telling how much points this top line will score with Guerin. Turco will have his best season this year. Expect Morrow and Young to click on the second line next season.
Phoenix will probably do better next season if Burke stays in his groove. With the addition of Amonte, will wil probably be put on a line with Briere which will kick bum.. If Savage can get his act together and play like he used to, he could easily do some damage. Kolanos, Radivojevic, Vaananen & Briere will all have strong seasons with all the potential they have.
Here are my predictions in the west:
1.Colorado
2.San Jose
3.Detroit
4.Phoenix
5.Dallas
6.Edmonton
7.Vancouver
8.LA
9.St.Louis
10.Chicago
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| 75 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 22:39
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Ira, I agree with the assesment of the Oilers. They will not take a step backwards to say the least. I think York is a super young talent and will only improve.
Dopita is a better addition than most people think. He was playing behind too many players in Philly and will see a huge rise in ice-time.
Their only weakness up front that I can see is right wing, where after Carter it gets fairly thin. But I predict a playoff berth from them.
As far as Vancouver goes, I think the loss of Cassels will hurt more than people think as well. Even though he missed almost 30 games last year, they don't have anyone who can really match his offensive output. Henrik Sedin, imo, is not ready to take on the role of a #2 center. And that makes things very thin down the middle.
Now that Bertuzzi had his breakout year, everyone and their dog will send out their top checking line against him and Naslund/Morrison which will mean secondary scoring will be vital. And even though the Canucks scored the most goals in the NHL last year, the top line did most of the scoring and their secondary scoring was spotty at best and they have subtracted Cassels and not replaced him with anyone.
I think a key to this year doesn't lie with Bertuzzi and Naslund, but how a player like Hlavac can respond to his sub-par performance last year. Earlier he was touted as a possible 30-40 goal man, but it remains to be seen whether or not he can reach that potential. Also, maybe Peter Shaefer is worth trying harder to sign this year - and despite his small stature, he does have good jets and may boost the offence somewhat.
Defence is also a problem. After Jovanovski and Ohlund, the defence is very suspect. Baron isn't terrible but he isn't a #3 defenceman on most teams. Sopel has his moments but again, is at best a 5th-6th defenceman on most other teams. The only hope I see for improvement in their own system is with Bryan Allen. And even he has been wishy-washy so far in his short career.
They have to make some kind of signing here before training camp. Someone like Slegr or Kravchuk - although not great defenceman by any means - would at least be some kind of attempt to shore up the blueline at a minimal cost.
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| 76 | Cuz
ID: 555242718
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 22:53
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Although, I do find it interesting that you think St.Louis will slip all the way to 9th.
But I guess if any team is going to fall hard, it may be them.
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| 77 | Ira
ID: 1591458
Thu, Jul 18, 2002, 21:49
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Yushkevich traded to Florida Panthers for Robert Svehla
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| 78 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 44446192
Fri, Jul 19, 2002, 16:46
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Keith Tkachuk has accepted the Blues' qualifying offer of $8.3 million for next season, according to the AP.
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