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Subject: Turco Thoughts
Posted by: bookie
- [448382418] Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 16:25
I'm debating with myself on what, if anything to do with Turco for his pending 2 games in 7 days.... In that period, WAS has 4 games (all on the road), Ott has 4 (Lalime will probably only play 3) St. Louis has 3 (all at home)...
The more I ponder the more I think I'll just hold for Turco's two home games and take my lumps on any price hits... He'll surely gain any losses back starting the 19th when the Dallas schedule picks up again....
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| 1 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 16:35
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hmmmm, interesting, lets see, here's Turco's sched
— — ANA — SAN — —
No team plays more than 4 gms in those 7 days, and the teams with 4 all have a b2b in there. so trading 2 Turco games for what is probably 3 starts for any other goalie is probably not gonna be worth the trade.
What about more than 1 trade,
go to Lalime on Weds for his b2b (@Pit, Edm) then move on to Kolzig (@Car, @Fla,—,@TB) So 2 trades can possible get you 3 extra games, but there's also 2 b2b's involved there, so there's a chance you'd only get 1 extra game. Tough call, I'll probably hold Turco.
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| 2 | bookie
ID: 448382418
Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 16:42
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I'm not into the multiple trade scenerio, especially in goal. It's already two trades in order to get out of him and then to get him back. I'm still thinking hold....
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| 3 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 22:27
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Last time a thread was made, we bailed and Thornton lost nothing.
If it turns ugly and it looks like free money I'll waste two trades. If not, I'll hold.
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| 4 | Rogue Nine
ID: 141391015
Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 22:29
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This isn't skipping 1 Turco game though, its skipping two. Turco is the best player in the game right now (TSN Game I mean) and so any other goalie would have to play at least 4 games to beat what he can do in 2. (3 games just isn't enough to justify the trade IMHO.) Also, Turco is still cheap compared to other goalies. This hypothetical 4-game goalie would also have to be in the Turco price-range for me to jump. I'll pass...
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| 5 | The Left Wings
ID: 1668298
Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 23:52
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Well, the Wild had a 5-in-7 that began Sunday... Of course that's a useless fact now.
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| 6 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Feb 11, 2003, 00:40
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Manny is back and they're rotating starts, so that wouldn't have done much good. Its pretty safe to say that, barring injury or a trade, no one should get a Minnesota goalie anymore. But, both those guys are pretty damn good!
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| 7 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Feb 11, 2003, 23:40
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new plan, Turco left today's game with an ankle injury, I'm dumping him for Giguere.
Still have Brodeur for tomorrow's game (even though I think he'll sit). Then I just have to find a goalie for Brodeur. Probably a significantly cheaper one since I need to free up money for 3HM.
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| 8 | Pancho Villa
Donor
ID: 21146920
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 00:45
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Same here. Turco is gone for Giguere. Just don't want to take the $ hit right now and it definately makes it easier dumping him with only 2 games in the next 7 days.
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| 9 | Pancho Villa
Donor
ID: 21146920
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 01:10
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Thought I would post Anaheim's sked since I already did the same in Ultimate. Looks good no?With the exception of the Dallas match-up which may be Turcoless I think it's pretty easy. Makes J.S. Gig a good hold since he starts almost all of the games for a hot Anaheim team. It goes like this:
7-day Schedule
02/12 CGY
02/13 —
02/14 @DAL
02/15 @NAS
02/16 —
02/17 NYI
02/18 —
14-day Schedule
02/19 CBJ
02/20 —
02/21 NYR
02/22 —
02/23 @CAR
02/24 —
02/25 @TAM
21-day Schedule
02/26 @FLA
02/27 —
02/28 @PHO
03/01 —
03/02 ATL
03/03 —
03/04 @LOS
courtesy of the good guys over at Kafinated.net
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| 10 | The Left Wings
ID: 1668298
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 03:44
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That's very interesting. A 4-4-4 schedule with DAL as the only threat.
Thanks for the heads up. But Roy has just beat DET twice and tonight NJ. I'll probably hold him a little longer.
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| 11 | B-TRAIN
ID: 46139617
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 05:16
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The only problem for me is that I planned on going Brodeur=> Guigere. If Turco has a bum wheel, I might have to pick up Hackett too. I need the Brodeur money elsewhere, so I can't pick up another stud. Any word on how bad Turco's ankle is?
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| 12 | Hockey Ljusa Sidan
ID: 52555310
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 05:45
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Same for me, B-Train...but I just went Turco->Giguere.
I planned on going Brody->Gig so I could pick up Mario, but without Kovalev I'm not so sure anymore.
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| 13 | Richard
Leader
ID: 53824316
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 09:50
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Count me in with the huddled masses of managers who are going Turco -> Giguere today. Turco's price is going to get hammered. Unfortunately, since I'm cronically short of trades, I have to to this with my last trade instead of picking Mario. I'll have to wait until after trades are refreshed to pick Mario up.
Richard
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| 14 | Tuques
ID: 501141614
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 10:03
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I'm getting bumb today, cause I don't have any trade left, and yesterday I did the stupid move of going Kolzig to Hachett with my last trade, I just hope that Turco situation isn't that bad and he'll play in the next game..... The Bruins can't score, I just hope the find the net on their road trip cause I'm going to stay with Hackett cause I need the money for upgrading my Center......
Tuques
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| 15 | Teddybears
Donor
ID: 30416143
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 10:15
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Already have Giguere.
Turco->Storr for me.
and
Smoke->Mario
Niedermeyer->Tarnstrom
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| 16 | Caper
ID: 1223648
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 10:57
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Anyone looking atr Alfredson for the 8 days? The ottawa schedule looks alright.
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| 17 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 1101210
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:00
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dallasstars.com:
Tippett said Turco's (ankle) injury was "slight" and that he was listed as day-to-day.
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| 18 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:01
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Turco > Gigure
Koivu > Mario
Guerin > Heatley
You guys should just copy. ;)
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| 19 | Richard
Leader
ID: 53824316
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:07
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I'd follow smallwhirled if I had the trades. Unfortunately, I could only do the Turco thing;-)
Richard
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| 20 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:09
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Alfreddson always seems to screw me over. But he has been really hot, and it's a sweet differentiation pick. Go for it.
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| 21 | Die_Habs
ID: 47361010
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:33
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Recchi > Sykora.
Koivu > Mario.
Turco > Kolzig.
Already had gigure. I wish I had more money, I need to find a cheapy to get rid of langenbruner. I have been away from my team and its been hard to make money lately. Been roaming at 65million for quite sometime.
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| 22 | bookie
ID: 448382418
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 11:44
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I went
Modano -> Mario
Broduer -> Kolzig
Turco -> Giguere
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| 23 | Rogue Nine
ID: 211111121
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 12:01
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I just went Turco -> Giguere.
Damn Turco, threw a wrench into all my plans. Ah well, thats TSN hockey for you.
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| 24 | vlad24
ID: 141127212
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 12:25
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I did the same (Turco->Giguere), $310K move! It's good to have a trade saved at the end of the week :-)
RogueNine, why did it throw a wrench into your plans? They're in the same price range...
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| 25 | Rogue Nine
ID: 211111121
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 12:46
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I can't afford Hejduk -> Murray and Storr -> Hackett now, its one or the other. My budget was tight. :)
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| 26 | vlad24
ID: 141127212
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 16:17
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I don't know if I'd do Hejduk->Murray, Milan is hotter and costs less...I haven't been too impressed with Hackett and Bruins so far, though perhaps it's too early to judge.
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| 27 | Rogue Nine
ID: 211111121
Wed, Feb 12, 2003, 16:29
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My main reason is this: One the morning of the 14th, here's how those two players stand:
Hejduk: Two games in 6 days, Home against Min and on the road against Chi. Both teams are top 6 defenses.
Murray: Four games in 6 days. (all on the road) Florida (26th in GAA), Tampa (22nd), Nashville Tied 15th, surpised) and Carolina (23rd.). Both Tampa and Carolina have been even worse than their rank would indicate.
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| 28 | Hockey Ljusa Sidan
ID: 52555310
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 03:32
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Oh crap, Brodeur gets the shutout!
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| 29 | Hockey Ljusa Sidan
ID: 52555310
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 05:09
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Guess people are posting their trades here?
Mogilny->Murray
Langenbrunner->Kovalev
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| 30 | The Dienasty
ID: 25025130
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 05:20
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Elias --> Murray
Turco --> Storr
post freeze tommorow:
Koivu --> Thornton
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| 31 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 11:15
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glad I didn't bail on Brodeur a day early, even though I REALLY thought he'd sit last night
Brodeur-->Storr
Boyle-->Blake
Tomorrow
The other Blake-->Thornton
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| 32 | Die_Habs
ID: 47361010
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 11:37
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Langenbrunner to Miller or Modin?
Anythoughts. I only have 2.8 million for my last winger spot. Everything is tied up in net and my 3HM centres.
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| 33 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 11:49
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I'd say Miller. He's been great lately.
Roy > Storr
I'll take Cgy over Van, and Storr over Hackett
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| 34 | Die_Habs
ID: 47361010
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 11:58
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I went with Modin. I will lose money on him but I thought I would differentiate, plus Modin has been doing well lately and according to the offensive schedule the Bolts have a good chance to score some goals in the next 2 weeks.
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| 35 | bookie
ID: 448382418
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 12:05
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I would have gone Miller or Knuble, but I'm too late to suggest...
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| 36 | Die_Habs
ID: 47361010
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 12:17
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Thanks cool. We'll see how it works. I also went into Sykora instead of Kayria and that pick has worked for one game, so luck may be on my side.
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| 37 | TAK
ID: 438453013
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 12:53
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So, is Turco going to play tomorrow night or not? After his freefall, he may be a cheap pickup for the upcoming week...
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| 38 | bookie
ID: 448382418
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 13:08
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No.. He's out for a week per Walk, in the injury thread....
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| 39 | Rogue Nine
ID: 211111121
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 17:24
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Turco's been put on the IR list, and the soonest he can come back is Feb 21st. Sell him now folks, if you haven't yet for some reason.
He's going to drop like a rock... 3.5 mil Turco around Feb 21st-22nd. :)
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| 40 | Rogue Nine
ID: 211111121
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 17:53
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Smallwhirled, you took Storr over Hackett? Any other reason behind it other than opponets? (Like money?) Hit me up on AIM if you see this...
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| 41 | Richard
ID: 56052414
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 17:58
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Rogue Nine - I don't expect more than another day or so of big losses for Turco. A couple of days ago he was on about 63% of the teams. As of today's roster freeze, he's only on 30% of the teams. I'm not sure what his minimum ownership level is, but over half of the manager's who owned him have already shed him. Most of the rest will do it soon - once that happens there will be no more downward pressure on his price and his price drops will slow dramatically. I can't see him losing almost another million dollars in order to reach the $3.5 million level you are hoping for.
Richard
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| 42 | Rogue Nine
ID: 421571316
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 18:09
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I didn't realize that many people had dropped him already. I figured there would have been alot of people waiting to see just how bad an ankle sprain it was. Oh well... Thanks for the info Richard.
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| 43 | Pancho Villa
Donor
ID: 51131320
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 21:47
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Hey Richard. How does someone go about finding player ownership percentage ?
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| 44 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 22:11
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by looking through a whole lot of frozen rosters!
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| 45 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Thu, Feb 13, 2003, 22:25
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I'm a dumbass who gets influenced by J sometimes. I hope it works out, I'm still not buying into Hackett just yet. If it's not the right choice, I'll move into Hackett eventually, doesn't hurt when you've got some trades to spare.
smallwhirled
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| 46 | Richard
Leader
ID: 5410352713
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 00:26
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Pancho Villa - like J says, you look at a whole bunch of frozen rosters. Over the years, I've developed an Excel spreadsheet process that make sampling a number of frozen rosters fairly easy. I even taught the techniques on this message board about three or four years ago for the SW baseball season.
This year for the TSN Ultimate Hockey game I'm running a sample of 328 randomly selected teams. I don't run it each and every day because it is fairly time consuming - even with a fast internet connection. By sampling these teams, I can count up the number of manager's who own each player and determine an approximate ownership level. I say approximate because I'm not looking at each and every frozen roster but, rather, I look at what I hope is a statistically significant number of managers and a representative sample.
Richard
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| 47 | The Left Wings
ID: 1668298
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 00:29
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In unrelated news (but I don't want to start a thread), my hometown Canucks came back to beat the Avs in overtime. I was cheering for a few seconds before I realized that I have Roy on all three of my TSN basic teams. Should I still be happy???????
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| 48 | The Dienasty
ID: 25025130
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 00:34
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I had the same conflict... I have Roy, Hejduk and Forsberg and no Canucks.
While that OT goal by Morrison did bring juvilation to the Canuck fan in me, it still cost me a potential 70 TSNP :(
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| 49 | Pancho Villa
Donor
ID: 21146920
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 01:05
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Thanks for the explanation Rich. Most appreciated.
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| 50 | Rogue Nine
ID: 9110143
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 04:12
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When forced between TSNP and my Habs, I always choose my Habs. TSN expands my hockey, it doesn't limit it.
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| 51 | Rogue Nine
ID: 9110143
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 05:27
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I know that making trades after I've been out drinking a bit is probably a bad idea, but I did it anyway. Here's my moves for today:
Hejduk (2 in 6) -> Murray (4 in 6)
Koivu (1 in 4) -> Lang (3 in 4)
Storr (2 in 6) -> Hackett (4 in 6)
Short-term moves, but should pay off I think. Murray/Knuble -> Hejduk/Tanguay next week to get Colorado's 4 in 6, and Lang has 4 games next week too.
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| 52 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 11:21
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Hejduk > Murray
Blake > Thornton
Too many frickin trades lately, I need to just sit back and watch now.
smallwhirled
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| 53 | simbot
ID: 1597246
Fri, Feb 14, 2003, 11:34
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Hejduk--> Heatley
Roenick-->Thornton
Gotta move into the top 100 soon and make some ground...
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| 54 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Mon, Mar 17, 2003, 10:12
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How's his injury? Is he nearing a comeback or what?
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| 55 | Dan
Sustainer
ID: 0229323
Mon, Mar 17, 2003, 10:34
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DAL 3/14/2003
Turco's ankle has improved a bit recently, the Dallas Morning News reports. "He's getting some more motion and is definitely further ahead," coach Dave Tippett said. "But is he far enough along to try it [in practice]? We don't want any setbacks."
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