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Subject: A couple NHL 'what-ifs'. (Rulebook ponderables)
Posted by: Ira
- [46338611] Mon, Jun 09, 2003, 21:52
There's been a couple what-ifs bugging me lately, and was wondering if anyone could help me on this.
Here's the first:
Let's say there's 1 minutes left, and the losing team has pulled thier goalie. The losing team then wins a faceoff clean in the attacking zone. The defenceman goes straight behind the opposing net and tries centering the puck. Nobody touches the puck, and it makes it's way back down to the open net. The team who has just been awarded the goal hasn't touched the puck once the entire play (not even on the faceoff). Who does the goal get awarded to?
#2
I've seen on numerous occations that a team appears to have scored, but since it's so hard to tell, the play resumes, and the refs wait till the next whistle to go upstairs. What if Team A barely squeezes the puck past Team B's goal line, but the play resumes, and Team A scores that same play. The refs go upstairs and determine Team B has scored. Do both goals get awarded?
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| 1 | DWetzel
ID: 30353118
Mon, Jun 09, 2003, 23:18
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1) I THINK, but am willing to be corrected on it, that the player nearest the defenseman when he shot the puck into his own net would be credited with the goal.
2) No. Your example isn't quite clear, but if a play is allowed to go on and it's later determined that a goal was scored, everything (clock, etc.) is rolled back to when the goal was scored. Any subsequent stuff is wiped out.
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| 2 | Tuques
ID: 501141614
Tue, Jun 10, 2003, 09:41
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For #2, remember the goal again Ottawa in the last serie, the puck was clearly in but the ref don't have the wright to go to review after the play as resume....
Tuques
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| 3 | Wild Viking
ID: 474401713
Tue, Jul 22, 2003, 01:20
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1. I agree with Wetzel, closest player to the shooter should get the goal.
2. Both Wetzel and Tuques is right. Tuques is right if the the play stops, then resumes it is too late to review it.
the trick there is in the wording....
In Ira's example, play did not resume because it had not yet stopped. The player scored in one net, then before a stoppage in play the other team went down and scored.
At the first break in play, the officials review the original "first" shot, deem it to be a goal and the second one is wiped out and the clock is reset to the time of the first goal.
Everything is not wiped out however, it is possible to get a penalty in that "wiped out" time. Of course the penalty would be marked down as starting at the time when the first goal was scored.
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| 4 | Synergy
ID: 34761420
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 20:55
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If the player closest to the defenseman is the goalie, does it mean the goalie gets credited with the goal?
I think I saw something like this a couple of years ago. It was devils vs sens.. and the devils had possession and there was a delayed penalty. So the devils goalie left the net. And one of the players was behind the back of the net and tried centering it, and it scored on his own net. I think Damien Rhodes (with the sens then) got credited with the goal.
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| 5 | Synergy
ID: 3078120
Fri, Aug 01, 2003, 21:10
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actually, looking it up again.. apparently rhodes touched the puck.. nevertheless, he is the only goalie to score a goal in a shutout. oh well. still a weird occurrence.
On January 2, 1999, Damian became the first goaltender in National Hockey League history to score a goal in a shutout victory. With his Senators leading the New Jersey Devils by a 1-0 score, Rhodes was the last Senator to touch the puck before the Devils inadvertently shot it into their own net during a delayed penalty. With goaltender Martin Brodeur off for an extra attacker, defenseman Lyle Odelein tried to pass the puck back to the blue line, but it eluded teammates Scott Niedermayer and Dave Andreychuk and went the length of the ice to give Ottawa a 2-0 lead. Rhodes ended up with thirty saves in the 6-0 win.
http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/bio/rhodes.html
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| 6 | JayTDawg
ID: 2810262114
Sat, Sep 13, 2003, 19:02
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I believe the player who took the faceoff is credited with the goal, regardless of whether or not he touched the puck. Unfortunately I don't have a source.
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