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Subject: Smallworld is up
Posted by: Ira
- [46345416] Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 18:39
Division: Rotoguru NET
Password: vezina
Here's my team:
Center
Sakic, Joe COL 7,700,000 (Will play with Kariya and Selanne.. 7.7 should be a bargain)
Winger
Hemsky, Ales EDM 4,000,000 (Should have a breakout year, and will be playing on the top line with Ryan Smyth)
Hossa, Marcel MON 1,920,000 (Look at his price)
Defensemen
Blake, Rob COL 5,860,000 (Will be feeding the puck to the likes of Kariya, Selanne, Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, and Tanguay. Should nab a few assists here and there)
Delmore, Andy BUF 3,610,000 (Buffalo will be playing him lots, and has better scorers to pass to then in Nashville)
Goalie
Aebischer, David COL 5,780,000 (One of the cheapest starters)
Extra Attacker
Sivek, Michal PIT 820,000 (Should have a breakout season, and being on Mario's line won't hurt)
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| 1 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 18:45
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Whoever centers Detroit's first line is worth picking up. That's between Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Both are 4-5 million
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| 2 | isles72
ID: 3810172818
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 20:14
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Ira , just curious , have you started to shave yet ?
;)
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| 3 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 23:35
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I will in a couple months, why do you ask?
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| 4 | R9
ID: 10725275
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 00:27
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I'm betting Yzerman centers the 1st line...
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| 5 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 12:24
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Yzerman has been moved to right wing on the second line
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| 6 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 12:32
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Rotoworld:
Steve Yzerman has re-signed with the Red Wings.
Yzerman will play his 21st season with Detroit and return as team captain. Yzerman missed most of last season after knee surgery, managing only 2 goals and 8 points in 16 games. When healthy, Yzerman has been close to a point a game player over the past few seasons, posting 48 points in 52 games in 2001/02 and 52 points in 54 games in 2000/01. Detroit will move Yzerman to the wing this season to help rest his 38 year-old body, so he should remain fairly healthy. That said, we expect Yzerman to post around 50 points while missing a number of games to rest his bad knees.
I also heard somewhere that Zetterberg is moving to center to replace the vacancy Yzerman left.
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| 7 | Cool Canuck
ID: 247153016
Sat, Aug 30, 2003, 17:46
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Hey there Ira.
Thanks for posting your team. Sakic looks like a great pick. I'm not so sure about your wingers though. I think you're from Edmonton, so you'd probably know better about Hemsky, but I wouldn't pick him until he starts showing his offensive capabilities in the NHL. I'd stay away from Hossa entirely, who just a few months ago was a disinterested, lazy AHLer. I would wait to see towards the beginning of October to see what kind of ice-time should be expected for him.
I think you're putting way too much money into your d. I'm a proponent of getting cheapo d-men (no more than 3M$) who get ample PP time on good teams. These kind of guys chip in a an assist every couple of games, all the while staying in the +. Your d-men are great, but they're much too expensive IMO in relation to the production they're going to bring you. I'd look at reducing your d-men expenditure by 4M$ and using that cash to upgrade a wing or extra-attacker.
Your goalie is a great idea. I'm not sure who will be the starter though, as I've heard that Sauvé could get a shot at starting.
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| 8 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 18:48
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Hey, thats for the feedback. I bought my defence after all other positions, so I just had a bunch of cash left..
As far as Hemsky goes, he's shown incredible chemistry with Ryan Smyth, and is a lock for 1st line. Whichever of York and Comrie centering the first line, I'm positive Hemsky will be worth the money.
Hossa was just a cheap guess. I know he played well in his short time in Montreal, and thought he may get a good sum ice time, but I guess I was wrong.
I'll trade Blake for a cheaper defenceman, and use it to upgrade Hossa.
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| 9 | The Left Wings
ID: 6142019
Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 05:21
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Gotta check the schedule for the first few weeks. It doesn't help if the Avs play like 5 games in the first couple of weeks.
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| 10 | JovOhlund
ID: 8772813
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 02:03
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What do you think about Jamie Allison from the Kings. I had Sakic at first but Allison is about 500,000 600,000 cheaper.
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| 11 | thunderstorm
ID: 108934
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 08:19
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Sakic? To few games in the first week or so.
Team with most games in first week is WAS with 4 Games till Oct.14. (2 HOME and 2 AWAY).
My Team:
Center:
Fedorov Sergej (3 Games till 10/14.)
Wings:
Zetterberg (DET) 2 Games only but points!
Hossa Marcel (MON)
Defence
Gill Hal (BOS) (3 Games till Oct 14x.)
2nd Defence not choosen yet!
Goalie:
Not sure yet! ...
Perhaps Olie Kolzig, Dwayne Roloson, or...
Dan Clouthier
But my first change (Oct. 10.) will be the existing Goalie for Dunham (if he plays).
Cash Left: 3,310,000 for one Defenceman and the Extra Attacker
Any ideas or tipps?
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| 12 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 12:17
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Thinking of going (2-3) days late this year, particularly in hockey where scoring and whatnot is so unpredictable.
- walk
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| 13 | R9
ID: 2982322
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 12:22
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I'm definitely using one of my 3 teams to do a day (or maybe 2 days) late.
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| 14 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:37
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I'm thinking of going at least 3 days late on a team, maybe 5 or 6. But I'd like more than 1 team this year so I can start on time.
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| 15 | The Left Wings
ID: 2482515
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 16:07
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Yes, in the last couple of years, my day late teams have done better in Season 1 of these half-season pools. In Season 2, however, the day-late strategy doesn't work, cuz there aren't any more surprise cash trains.
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| 16 | rinkwide
ID: 1681723
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 00:01
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Last year I went full roster three days late and easily came back for a top 100 spot.
This year I think I'm gonna do a week long draft picking up the hot players as they as they become appearant. (I always have a cruddy first week for points anyway.)
Anyone here ever gone over 3 days before filling their roster? If so, how was it?
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| 17 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 00:28
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I went 6 days late last year and finshed number 9th with that team. The strategy has it's ups and downs, though. You're probably going to be in the hole a good 1500-2000 points, but you get 5 extra trades. Although it seems like more than 5 because you are also drafting guys who will be on the price mover list. I used the extra trades as my buffer, and it worked well.
It really all comes down to the studs being studs the last 2 months of the season. If the top choices are studs, and you used your trades wisely for a top RV...any gap can be made up, as I remember having a ton of 500+ nights the last few months.
Although my hockey knowledge is not up to par with the other 3 major sports, it's my favorite TSN game because of all the differentiation.
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| 18 | Hockey ljusa sidan
ID: 189293016
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 15:32
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Jamie Allison? Hmm u mean Jason Allison, right?!
Hey...I wonder: Is he healthy, will he be ok to play at the start of the season?!
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| 19 | Ira
ID: 46345416
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 18:07
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Ya, I was planning on a day late team aswell.. Is the strategy there just to pick up the money makers?
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| 20 | The Left Wings
ID: 486501617
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 19:13
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To me, yes. It's important to make tons of money quick so that you can afford the top players earlier.
However, it was an anomaly last season when so many cheapies rose to the top. Having little RV didn't create that much of a problem.
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| 21 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 00:49
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As for money makers: I think you not only have to account for prior production, but you also have to consider future schedule for sure. It wouldn't be too helpful to load a team with guys who will face a 2 in 7 or something. Strong gainers will quickly flip over to the loser side with a bad schedule in an ultimate game as there are a lot of managers who trade for schedule.
As for RV, I had the number 2 RV last year, and still didn't have quite enough RV. The top RV was only 79 mil or so, and that will not afford the absolute top team. I feel like every little bit counts....but total points is still the key.
It depends how many Datsyuk's and Blake's turn out.
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| 22 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 16:34
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Smallwhirled is a sage at these games. If he does it, it works. I typically would say that I don't have the intestinal fortitude to wait 6 days myself...I think I waited 2-3 last year (it's not like a given player plays more than 2 games within the first 4-5 games of the season in hockey), but would love to hold out even longer this year. Roster value has always been my forte, and hockey easily my fave smallworld game. I hope to have results like this smallwhirled above!
- walk
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| 23 | The Left Wings
ID: 6142019
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 17:11
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Ahhhh
I remember when I finished with over $120M a few years ago when it was still Smallworld.
Those were the days...
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| 24 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 17:15
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Yeah, but with that kinda money, and I had it too, it was very boring. I prefer the way they have figured out how to make it challenging, all sesason long.
- walk
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| 25 | R9
ID: 2083477
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 22:45
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TLW, you should kick in 20$ and buy an Ultimate team.
Hockey is my favorite TSN game too, especially since I get the Center Ice package that lets me see practically every game in the NHL on TV. I had my best year last year, finally finishing in the money, and hopefully can repeat that.
As for day-late, I'll probably save one team as a week-late team. The huge advantage there is that you'll end up with a team full of money makers, 10 trades, and likely no neccessary moves for at least a few days. The lost week of points can easily be made up later with the extra cash and trades.
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| 26 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 23:47
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Week-late does take some cajones though. It was Rogue that talked me into buying a team 6 days late at like 3 in the morning...I wasn't even going to play ultimate. Lets not go out and say that it's easy though, almost everything I was doing...turned out right. I doubt that can happen again, but I think I'll give it a shot anyways with a team. If you do try it, you do have to go balls to the wall for RV as quickly as possible to get a nice advantage on everyone else.
If you're ever going to give ultimate a shot, TLW, hockey is the way to go.
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| 27 | Little M
ID: 16593012
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:26
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When you start 6 days late, do you get put in a division where everyone else started late?
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| 28 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:43
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Little M. Nope. TSN has no way of knowing your intentions. This is a personal strategy move that is enacted by merely not drafting a team. You then draft your team on a given day (all the same day) based on who you see & think is hot and rising in price. It is hard to stomach seeing others in the division with 200-1,000 more points that your big, fat goose-egg, but your roster value and trade numbers will excel soon enough.
- walk
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| 29 | Dan
ID: 54747823
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:47
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You're going to have your team in a division at the beginning of the season otherwise you're going to miss out on trades...so no you won't be put in a division with other's that started late unless you don't mind missing out on the trades :-/
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| 30 | Tuques
ID: 11812214
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:57
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Can someone explain me the strategi of going 1-2-3-4 days late.... Do we gain money for a not complete roster, what I mean, is if I pickup 3 guys on day 2 and leave the other spot empty then do the samething on day 3 until I have a full roster....
Tuques
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| 31 | Little M
ID: 16593012
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 12:59
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Thanks.
The way that I read Smallwhirled's message was that he bought his team 6 days into the season, so he could not have been assigned to a division before then.
I didn't think about not getting the trades for Oct 8 if you join late. That is a good point.
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| 32 | R9
ID: 2083477
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:00
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Smallwhirled signed up about an hour before the first trade refresh, and was put into a division of teams that signed up late. At the time though, he complained that some of them had been there for 2-3 days already, so even in this case you won't be at ground zero with your division rivals.
Unless... we get 10 gurupies who want to try this strategy, and we all go in the same division. Sure 9 of us would be forfeiting a division prize, but thats not why most of us sign up anyway.
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| 33 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:20
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Tuques, there's no reason to having a few guys who you think will be gainers and not score points. It's better to just fill it out on the same day, because once you do actually get into a division...you will take goose eggs and be less likely to win the division.
As long as you sign up before new trades are given out, you get your initial allotment + the 5 in the refresh.
It's not for everyone, I was forced into trying this strategy because I decided to get a team very late...It worked, and I'm sharing it with ya'll.
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| 34 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:26
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Yeah, I have already purchased my team, so I am locked into trailing my rivals if I go x days late. However, that to me is an interesting challenge -- being able to make up the ground. I am less concerned about winning my division than I am about my WWR. However, as smallwhirled says, it's difficult to stomach watching everyone else far ahead in the first stretch.
- walk
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| 35 | Tuques
ID: 11812214
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:49
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I'm already in ESD NHL division, and I'm planning to go 1 or 2 day late team, what I wanted to know is will I get money even if my roster is not completed before the roster freeze???
Thanks, Tuques
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| 36 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 15:05
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Yes, if you have say 5 slots filled....you will get their gains. If you get on the right early gainers, that is also a good strategy. But, I am more about the 2nd wave of gainers in weeks 2 to 4, and having trades to deal with them.
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| 37 | Tuques
ID: 11812214
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 15:32
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smallwhirled are you saying that you plan to go for 2 full week of no pts???
Tuques
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| 38 | walk
Leader
ID: 314441211
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 15:43
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TUQUES, it reads like Smallwhirled would START to build his roster after week one (week 2), and capitalize on momentum gains evidenced in weeks 2-4.
- walk
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| 39 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 15:43
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No, 6 days late.
here's a visual
Start at the bottom and work your way up with the extra trades. If you know what your'e doing, the trades can help your RV tremendously as I finished with the number 2 RV.
The key is to get your team before the next batch of trades go out. But like I said, everything I touched, turned to gold...I really doubt I can get that type of performance again.
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| 40 | Little M
ID: 16593012
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 17:07
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Smallwhirled,
Were you using roster sampling to obtain your high RV? If you were, hasn't the ability to see transactions on a real-time basis been eliminated?
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| 41 | Garibaldi
ID: 360462815
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 17:22
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I'm thinking on a day late team this year, but I think that the schedule drops for a lot of teams after a couple of days.
About at the time when you should enter, day-late, the number of players to chose from is lower. In a way that should make it easier to pick players but you never know if the one Player to pick has a losy schedule if he's still popular?
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| 42 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 547471820
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 18:18
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Umm, no. I don't know how to roster sample. I'm just good. ;)
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| 43 | Dan
ID: 54747823
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 21:24
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lol no need to be cocky now, we all know I'm the one that's just good ;) jk. Looking forward to another fun and competitive season!
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| 44 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 32811213
Thu, Sep 18, 2003, 14:23
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You just had some extra trades. :(
It's going to be a reat season though.
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