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Subject: What is tag-up?
Posted by: The Left Wings
- [6142019] Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 00:35
Can somebody explain to me what this "tag-up" rule is? |
| 1 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 161431023
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 00:43
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"... the so-called tag-up offside rule enables players already inside the offensive zone before the puck crosses the blue line to peel back and touch the blue line to become onside. The rule has been blamed for what some see as the diminished skill level among defensemen who need not worry about puck handling in the neutral zone -- they can simply dump the puck and wait as their forwards 'tag-up' and play continues. Canadian Hockey opted to keep the tag-up rule because it provides greater continuity in games."
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| 2 | The Left Wings
ID: 191481017
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 20:10
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What's wrong with tagging up then? What should a player stuck in the offensive zone do so that he won't be tagging up?
I think all these changes are BS. You don't see soccer making their nets bigger to increase scoring. Soccer fans are just as content watching a 0-0 game than a 5-3 shootout.
I really hate it when Colin Campbell claims that he and the GMs are "doing a lot of work" on this. I don't believe any of it when all they do is sit around and talk about things. They should let the players figure it out.
If you want a high-scoring game, go watch lacrosse. The ball just get stuck in the net and you can run across the who court without being stick-checked (bodychecks are another thing).
This is getting ridiculous. You can't change rules every 2 or 3 years. There's no "real" hockey anymore. You don't see soccer rules or NBA rules change every few seasons.
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| 3 | R9
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ID: 2624472
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 20:29
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Thats not true, sports are always tweaking their rules and guidelines to stay current with the times. Hockey is no exception. I love all the latest suggestions from the GMs, and so far it would seem the majority of fans do as well. There will always be purist who don't, but if they're in the minority they're just going to have to live with it.
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| 4 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 517553018
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 08:55
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I have to agree with R9. Leagues are constantly looking at how to make their game more exciting to fans. Let's face it, hockey doesn't draw the fan base like baseball, football, or basketball. While some of us may be okay with that, I'm sure those who are making a living at it aren't. Personally, I'm all for all the changes being suggested. I think the game has become too much of a defensive game and that's just not going to draw American fans (who the NHL is catering to). TLW, you mention that soccer fans are content with watching a 0-0 game just as much as a 5-3 game, but how many people are actually going to MLS games these days? That may work in other countries, but it just doesn't work in the US. Why? I really don't know. But, I do know that our country seems to be more excited about offense than defense. Remember all the flack about what a low-rated Super Bowl we were going to have because it was 2 defensive teams playing? It's all in the same boat.
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| 5 | Smackrat
ID: 59117310
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 13:17
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Are you guys really OK with golaies not being allowed to handle the puck? I guess it'll be interesting to see guys flipping the puck in every time (especially in combination with the tag up rule) and the forwards charging in crushing the D. Personally, it seems really stupid. Why not tell the D they can't skate backwards or something equally ridiculous.
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| 6 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 517553018
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 14:08
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Smackrat, actually, I'm not really against goalies handling the puck, but I also can't say that I'm for it. One thing I think it WILL do is keep goalies near the net and prevent them from having the "hands-off" style of play when they're outside the net. I've always hated the way goalies get treated like QB's in football. If they want to get treated like that, then they should be forced to stay near THEIR area and not wander out of it. But again, it's not really a big issue to me. As for D-men getting crushed, that's part of being a D-man. Don't they do the same thing to the forwards? I don't hear much complaining about that, so why complain about D-men getting their fair share? Further, whose to say that the Dump-and-chase will be a viable offensive strategy. Part of the Dump-and-chase is handling the puck behind the net. With less room behind the net, that's not going to be as easy as it is now. And as for the D-men not being able to skate backwards, I've actually read a proposal in USAToday (the All-Star Game extra) that they wanted to disallow forwards from skating backwards in the neutral zone. Not necessarily a bad idea either as it takes away some of the Neutral Zone Trap.
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| 7 | R9
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ID: 2624472
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 14:21
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Like KKB, I HATE how goalies go out to play the puck, and if they get to it before an opposing forchecking forward its just to damned late for the forward. Its frustrating to watch. Anyone else on that team handling the puck would have to deal with getting checked, or being pressed into making a tough pass. Not the goalie. He gets to take his time and not worry about being hit. Just silly.
I'm not sure how the no-handling rule will play out, and dump-and-chase is obviously going to increase. But, to me thats a tactic that doesn't work as well as a skilled entry into the zone. Its giving up control of the puck to the other team. Its a tradeoff, and one often used by less-skilled players. Forsberg, Sakic, Jagr, Alfreddson... these guys often find a way to cross the blue line WITH the puck. That won't change as the better tactic.
TLW, after more thought I have to disagree with your soccer reference too. The field is huge, and even when play is limited to alot of neutral zone activity, the game focuses alot more on individual play. Great dekes, nice passing, fast footwork... Fans aren't BORED when the ball isn't in the offensive zone. Hockey isn't like that. If the puck is in the neutral zone all the time, the game is BORING. So changes are needed. Its not even a 'low scoring affair' to me. The Colorado-Islanders game this week, (1-1 final) was exemplary, lots of chances, shots and great saves. THAT was hockey. But alot of 0-0, 1-0 and 2-1 games are just boring as hell. If they become 0-0, 1-0 and 2-1 games that are EXCITING then thats good enough for me.
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| 8 | The Left Wings
ID: 6142019
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 15:26
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I think preventing the goalies from handling the puck is ridiculous. I believe they are supposed to handle the puck whenever they can as a third defensive player. That's what you get for dumping and chasing -- you risk having the puck stopped by the goalie -- and it's worse than having the goalie stop the puck because it basically is a cheap way to get into the offensive zone without going through the maze of opposing players at their blueline. You dump the puck in, you give up possession, but since it's a cheap way to gain possession, it'll have to start at the goalie. I think it's very fair.
I'd rather they increase the size of the net instead of shrinking the goalies' equipment. If the arena were built wider, I would have wanted them make the rink half way between the sizes of the international rink and the current NHL rinks.
Get rid of the instigator rule. Fans want to see instigation and fights. Fights are what distinguishing the sport from others. Boy, was last night's game between the Oilers and Thrashers fun to watch.
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| 9 | Smackrat
ID: 59117310
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 16:37
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Easy solution..... make the goalies fair game. If he leaves his net, you can hit him. It doesn't mean guys are going to kill the goalies 'cause that would result in retaliatory killings, but it does mean that goalies will be bumped (maybe even hammered when they really deserve it :) and certainly won't be so eager to get out into the fray.
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| 10 | Silentz
ID: 479231410
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 17:00
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I agree with Smackrat. Let the goalies handle the puck but let them be fair game outside the crease. Maybe extend the crease a little just to give them a little extra buffer, but if they want to go to the corner they should have the same risks as everyone else.
Although the rule may help some goalies. What was Cechmanek thinking last night anyway? And can you imagine how many goals would've been averted if Roy wasn't able to wander?
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| 11 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 517553018
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 17:15
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I wouldn't have a problem with goalies being fair game. However, given the choice between being fair game and the current rule change proposals, well, I think we all know which side the goalies would favor. :)
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| 12 | Smackrat
ID: 59117310
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 17:43
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Why do you say that? If they were fair game they could pick or choose when/if they played the puck. Under the new rules, they would never be allowed to play it. I think goalies would opt for the "fair game out of the crease" over the proposed changes.
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| 13 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 517553018
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 18:25
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Smackrat, I guess it's just my opinion, but making goalies fair game would likely be the last rule the goalies would want passed. I think they would much rather keep their "hands-off" rules and not be allowed to play the puck. It's not like playing the puck is what they live for. Sure, they would/could pick and choose when to play the puck if they were to be made "fair game," but how many times have we seen a goalie try to play a puck and end up way out of position? Too many times for goalies to be comfortable with being fair game, IMO.
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| 14 | Smackrat
ID: 59117310
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 19:04
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That could be the case. It will be interesting to see what happens and to hear what the goalies have to say. At least people are thinking outside the box.
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| 15 | J
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ID: 49346417
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 19:22
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I dont like the idea of not letting goalies play the puck.
As a compromise, I DO think the best idea should be that they are fair game (outside the crease). The goalies shouldn't be any more opposed to this rule than actual proposed rule. If they dont go play the puck they cant be touched anyways. Basically I guess what i'm saying is, I agree with Smackrat!
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| 16 | The Left Wings
ID: 6142019
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 22:33
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I thought it has always been fair game outside the crease, hasn't it? I've seen a lot of times when goalies were run over behind the net.
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