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Subject: Help SW get to #1
Posted by: bookie
- [364442220] Thu, Apr 01, 2004, 23:39
OK guys SW has given me the keys to Porche, so we have to win the race.. He's given me some solid ideas on how to use the final trades, but not a definitive plan, so I'm looking for ideas from the best minds in fantasy sports.
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| 1 | KWizard
ID: 51248181
Fri, Apr 02, 2004, 00:25
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Save one trade for Biron >> Turco. Mason will get the start against Colorado if it's a meaningless game for Nashville so Vokoun >> Luongo would make sense if that happens. Colorado will probably rest Forsberg and Sakic or at least give them limited ice time if the last game is meaningless for them. Lecavalier >> Halpern is the only other possible move I see now.
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| 2 | Little M
ID: 551261616
Fri, Apr 02, 2004, 11:05
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Thornton is questionable for tomorrow with a rib injury. I would look at moving him.
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| 3 | bookie
ID: 3335618
Fri, Apr 02, 2004, 12:07
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Thanks for the input guys.. I'll keep my eye on thortnon situation....
SW wanted Kippy, but since I read that Turek would start tonight. SW's move changed to Abbey. So he went Vokuon -> Abbey.
3 trades and 225 points to make up... If Abbey comes up big tonight, it will close the gap significantly....
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| 4 | Ira
ID: 1128615
Fri, Apr 02, 2004, 14:54
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Just a heads up that Salo's getting the start on Sunday against the Preds.
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| 5 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Fri, Apr 02, 2004, 18:05
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Thanks Ira.. I did see that....
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| 6 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 00:21
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Good start.. Abbey with around 95 tonight....
hit me with thoughts for Saturday... We have 3 trades to use by Sunday
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| 7 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 08:46
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Devils can win division with b2b wins against boston
I found this article in today's NY Daily News and a very similar one in the NY Post. No indication in either of these two newspapers, or either of the two NJ-based papers (Bergen Record or Newark Star Ledger) if Brodeur is going to start both games to give the devils the best shot at winning the division.
My gut tells me that Brodeur surely starts today, and if the devils win, would logically start tomorrow. If the devils lose, and they get mathematically eliminated from winning their division and getting the #3 seed, then my gut tells me that the back-up will start tomorrow.
This is all speculation however.
Given this, the bottom line for us, is that an Aebischer --> Brodeur move for SW and other gurupies may be a good bet today. It's before 9am, so maybe more news will come before noon.
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| 8 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 08:59
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Another thought for all: IF the devils win today, I know that you (bookie), me and SW all have Lecavalier. We should move Vinny to GOMEZ on Sunday.
If the devils lose today and have nothing to play for on Sunday, then move Vinny to maybe WEIGHT, DEMITRA or JOKINEN.
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| 9 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 09:01
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Check that, since I have Elias, I assumed everyone had Elias. IF the devils win today, SW and bookie, you can move Vinny to ELIAS or GOMEZ.
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| 10 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 09:08
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Sorry I haven't chimed in with my thoughts, been a hectic couple days. Gomez and Elias are on fire, and Thornton will likely sit with his rib injury. I'd make the swap into Elias, and then consider using the last two trades in a goalie rotation. Aeb -> Brodeur -> ?, where ? is someone we know is starting, and has a great matchup. Nabokov maybe?
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| 11 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 09:13
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Nabokov is indeed supposed to start on Sunday. Turco is a good option, too. I think bookie told me that as his suspension will end on Sunday, the Stars would likely want to get him a start to get him primed for the playoffs.
I agree on the Thornton to Elias/Gomez move now...Joe is not likely going to play today, may not play tomorrow, and if he does play, could be ineffective or pulled. It may make good sense to have both NJ centers, Elias and Gomez starting today.
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| 12 | Dr. Doom
Donor
ID: 52328812
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 09:30
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SW and oskari both have Thornton, it would seem reasonable that both make the move to Elias, this would keep the two teams identical at center. Probably the best move for today anyway.
Goalie options, Brodeur, Legace should play at home vs. Columbus, maybe Theodore against the eliminated Sabres.
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| 13 | KWizard
ID: 232539
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 10:38
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Even if the Devils lose today, they can still win the division by winning tomorrow so I would expect Brodeur to start both games.
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| 14 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 10:45
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By winning tomorrow and the flyers losing tomorrow. Good point, kwizard. I have already gone Aebischer to Brodeur on my team. 1 trade left. Likely will move Lecavalier to Gomez, Weight, Demitra or Jokinen or some other center tomorrow.
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| 15 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 11:08
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Haven't seen this Thornton news anywhere.. I see he's slightly injured, but nowhere do I see that he won't play
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| 16 | Richard
Dude
ID: 204252420
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 11:33
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108 points behind. It looks like Oskari, with both goalies expected to start tonight, and with no goalies expected to go tonight for SW, might be hard to catch tonight. Also the Boston Herald is reporting that Thornton is sitting tonight.
With this setup, I'd move Thornton into Elias (countering the most likely move that oskari will make) and Aebischer into Brodeur and pray for a Brodeur shut out while Osgood and Vokoun both have big implosions (perhaps an 8-8 tie).
Richard
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| 17 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 11:37
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So Richard, you think we should match the likely move at center rather than differentiate with either Gomez or Demitra?
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| 18 | Richard
Dude
ID: 204252420
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 11:56
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That's how I'd play it, bookie. A defensive move to match the expected move by my opponent and an offensive move by picking up a great goalie. For me, today's goal would not to lose ground to oskari and retain 1 trade to move Lecavalier on Sunday. But, hockey is my weakest TSN sport, so I might not know what I'm doing.
Richard
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| 19 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 12:16
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That's how I played it... thanks to all for the input... We have one trade tomorrow.. the question will be to move a goalie or to move a center...
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| 20 | Ira
ID: 46338611
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 18:18
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I went Abby>Theodore today. I suggest you do the same.
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| 21 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 18:42
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Well, Theodore would have to top +96 WITH another game to play to have been a better choice. Brodeur was obvious. Elias, too.
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| 22 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sat, Apr 03, 2004, 22:22
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But a move to Belfour on friday was godlike. Anyone make that move?
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| 23 | Warpcore
ID: 50448134
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 08:03
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I'm not a god, but I made the move.
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| 24 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 08:52
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Not a god, but godlike. Excellent call warpcore!
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| 25 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 08:57
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Okay, bookie, SW is down by 57. Oskari has 7 players going today, including two goalies, and SW will have 11 of 12 folks going today once you make the Lecavalier to someone (Gomez?) move. SW has brodeur and aebischer instead of oskari's vokoun and osgood. This makes for very interesting drama.
Thoughts? Suggestions on SW's last trade?
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| 26 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 09:04
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A couple things right off... I don't think Abbey or Vokuon will play today... Nashvilles coach said if they clinch, he'll probably play the back up.. The Edmonton loss clinched the 8 spot for Nashville.... Colorado has nothing to play for.. they are 4th and no matter what happens today, they will remain 4th.... Hopefully my new favorite information site will post something early enough to be useful..
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| 27 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 09:05
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Check that. Good news for SW, but implications for us Vokoun and Osgood owners still with a trade:
Edmonton was eliminated last night with their loss to Vancouver. Nashville and St. Louis have clinched. I bet both goalies, Osgood and Vokoun are rested today.
This puts smallwhirled in a huge competitive advantage having two goalies, brodeur and aebischer, who are more likely to play (although salo might start for colorado).
For folks like me and bookie, who have 1 trade and are holding vokoun and vinny. Well, we need to decide whether to move the forward or move the goalie.
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| 28 | Richard
Dude
ID: 204252420
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 10:13
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On paper, I like SW's chances. Looking at the non-duplicate players, oskari only has two going tonight (Sullivan and Osgood) while SW has 6 going (Murray, Recchi, Pronger, Gonchar, Brodeur and Aebischer) plus one trade. Looks like SW is in a good position to gain the 58 points needed to overtake oskari.
At this moment it's unclear one which goalies will actually play. If Brodeur sits, I probably pick up Turco. If Brodeur plays, I'd go out and grab a center by moving Lecavalier. My short list would include Gomez, Federov, Weight or Demitra.
Richard
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| 29 | J in NJ
ID: 6361620
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 10:19
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I would vote for Abby-->Turco/Luongo (if he's playing)
I just dont really like the options at center.
I really like SW's chances, but I noticed the guy in 3rd place isn't too far off, so maybe getting Gomez would better to block him off a little?
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| 30 | tommyd
ID: 21119279
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 10:21
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Any news on Raycroft (picked him up instead of Brodeur yesterday) and if he'll start. Boston has a lot to play for as does NJ so I can see both starting. If Nabokov starts I will definitely grab him over Turco I think.
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| 31 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 10:50
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According to hockey insider a few days ago, Nabokov should start today. He does have a good match-up, he's hot, and the sharks are good at home.
I see no way that brodeur does NOT start today. If the devils win, they auto win their division and get the #3 seed -- even if the flyers win against the nothing-to-play-for Isles. Brodeur has got to start because if the devils lose, and the flyers win, the flyers win the division. Burns will not risk losing the division to rest Brodeur, who is historically a workhorse and never seems to get injured.
Nabokov or Turco for Aebischer seem like more probable alternatives, but if Aebischer plays, then it's a bust move because we all DEFINITELY know that Lecavalier is NOT going to play (TB is idle). So, the safest move seems to be moving Vinny to either Gomez, Federov, Weight, Demitra or some other center. Gomez is clearly the hottest. However, is the safest move in terms of playing time the best move? Given that SW has so many more players going today, I would think that the forward move may be the better bet, but I can also see the goalie move instead.
Bookie usually does things between 11 and noon, and will likely be on this forum soon enough. However, with daylight savings time, the mofo may be a little late. Then again, today is very big, and he knows it, and he'll be here soon for sure. He's likely scouring the net doing research.
- walk
p.s. Hey Richard!
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| 32 | bookie
ID: 364442220
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 10:53
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Hey walk.. Did you get my email? Can you make my move for me when that lovely site updates for today?
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| 33 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:25
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Bookie, I am on it for you, but what about SW??? I don't have his password or userid.
Aebischer and Vokoun are resting; Brodeur, Raycroft, Nabokov, Turco and Luongo are playing. Moving Vokoun on your team to Turco.
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| 34 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:26
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Calling you now, 11:30am, on your various phones about SW's team.
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| 35 | Dr. Doom
Donor
ID: 52328812
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:27
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walk, i've got SW, they are down to the third stringers making the picks now.
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| 36 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:29
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Funny, Dr. Doom. Cool, glad someone's got SW covered. I just called bookie on his mobile and it went to voicemail, and I was like: "this is not happening..."
anyway, cool. I moved Vokoun to Turco on Bookie's team and took more of a chance on my team by moving Lecavalier to Gomez. Here's rooting for offense over goaltending today.
Let us know what you do for SW Doom. It's either moving Aebischer to Turco, Luongo, or Nabokov or moving Vinny L. to Gomez or some other center.
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| 37 | Dr. Doom
Donor
ID: 52328812
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:32
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I'm kinda waiting for the dust to settle a bit, I have about 6 trades to make on most of 6 teams, they all suck, so I have a lot of coin flipping going on. I'm using the best 6 of 11 to make my picks.
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| 38 | Dr. Doom
Donor
ID: 52328812
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 11:35
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Kidding of course, it's looking like Luongo or Turco for SW. Feedback if you got it.
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| 39 | Dr. Doom
Donor
ID: 52328812
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 12:08
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Okay, I took the keys, and when the time came, I didn't have enough money for the Turco or Luongo leaded gas, crap, had to go with the Nabakov brand.
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| 40 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 12:10
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Fine, Dr. Doom. You had to do what the bank allowed you to do...Nabokov and SJ at home against LA, I believe, should work out. Let's hope so!
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| 41 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 15:30
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Out of those goalies I think Nabokov was the safest bet, and that's easily the trade to make after it was known that Abby was sitting.
Go Smallwhirled!
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| 42 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 15:33
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Devils totally letting us down. Nothing for Brodeur, Elias and for me, Gomez. Ugh. 2 minutes to go though.
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| 43 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 15:42
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With Recchi, Pronger and Nabokov still to go (and oskari countering with Sullivan/Osgood) Smallwhirled has gained 103 TSNP to sit 46 pts ahead. Things are looking very good for him right now!
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| 44 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 15:44
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Ah, and Osgood isn't even starting. Oskari only has Sullivan going, and needs him to get 46 pts + whatever sw's 3 dudes do.
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| 45 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 17:09
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Thanks guys, just got in. It seems like I'm ahead right now. Haven't tallied it up, but Dr Doom says I should be up.
Thanks for all the help guys.
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| 46 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 17:25
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Sure thing, SW! You are looking very good.
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| 47 | KWizard
ID: 30292415
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 17:33
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Really wishing I had made that Vinny >> Halpern move. LOL.
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| 48 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 17:47
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Oskari needs Sullivan to have the greatest 3rd period in the history of hockey. #3 has no shot (same goalies and other players as sw) and #4 is too far back now, after Luongo's -13. Looking super dude!
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| 49 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 18:06
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Goal Nashville, thank god it's not Sullivan.
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| 50 | KWizard
ID: 30292415
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 18:20
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And the guy at #5 is kicking himself for missing a few trade deadlines back in November and December. Missing out on a few hundred points didn't seem like a big deal back then. Really didn't think my team would go from WWR 523 in December all the way up to #5.
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| 51 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 18:34
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And sw does it! My calculations have him beating Oskari handedly, and inching out #3 by a about 20-30 pts. Congrats dude!
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| 52 | smartone
ID: 313039
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 18:52
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he did it!!!
CONGRATS, SW!!!!
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| 53 | walk
ID: 27132211
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 19:13
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CONGRAT'S SW! I said it at the beginning of the year, and will say it again -- smallworld manager, extraordinaire!
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| 54 | Destroy*
ID: 44318412
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 20:20
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Smallwhirled...you are the real best!!!
I'm proud to be in your division and hope we can continue that way,next year!
You are the one and only!
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| 55 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Sun, Apr 04, 2004, 23:49
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Sullivan hit te post on a breakaway. Not that is mattered because Stuart scored a couple of goals to get Nabakov the win. But then I almost got cauyght by the guy in 3rd place.
Sullivan would've scored before SJ scored a bunch of late goals. Good thing they did. If Sullivan scores there and Nabakov doesn't get the late win, I would've lost it.
SJ scored with less than 10 seconds left
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| 56 | The Dienasty
ID: 3810111222
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 01:56
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WTG SW!
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| 57 | jseth333
ID: 1611483016
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 07:54
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Many Congrats! It has been a pleasure watching a real hockey manager from near the bottom of the standings.
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| 58 | walk
Leader
ID: 32928238
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 08:18
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Amazing that the SJ win or more less was the deciding factor. THAT was an 11th hour call by Doom. Now, Doom would have taken Turco, but you did not have the cash (ironic, given that you never lack wealth -- I guess you spent that wad o' cash), who had +68, so that would have been a wash with Nabokov. Still, amazing show of persistence, patience (using your trades judiciously down the stretch), and taking advantage of your competitive advantage (the judicious use of your extra trades).
Exciting and compelling finish, but "ultimately," a well-earned title...as usual.
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| 59 | Die_Habs
ID: 53346218
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 08:20
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Congrats on a great season! I hope this #1 guru finish can be some sort of tradition that we take into next season!
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| 60 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 09:38
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Smallwhirled congrats on the win. Great job all year long and hopefully we will have a season next year.
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| 61 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 09:53
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Nabakov's win and Stuarts 2 goals allowed Asian Canadian to jump in front of oskari, but SJ scored so late. They were down 3-1 with not much time left in the 3rd, and Sullivan had just hit the post earlier in that period. If 3-1 would've held up, and Sullivan's shot goes in, I would've been in serious trouble.
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| 62 | J in NJ
ID: 735958
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 11:08
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congrats man!!!!!!!!!! you're incredible at these games!!!!
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| 63 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 11:15
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Congrats.
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| 64 | C.SuperFreaks
ID: 3251512
Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 14:55
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Congratulations Smallwhirled, great chatting with you and discussing players and strategy. Hope to see you around in the fall.
Did you get your prize notification(s)? They have been sent out. I received 3 notifications and don't forget to act upon it within 15 days...
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