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Subject: Ultimate Hockey Recap
Posted by: walk
- Leader [32928238] Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 08:38
So, a few thoughts as the season ends:
1. I still think TSN hockey's game is the most fun and challenging. I am off to baseball now (with a freebie hockey playoff team thrown in), but will miss hockey.
2. Awesome that gurupies finished #1 for individual manager performance (Smallwhirled) and #1 (yet again) as the top league.
3. Personally, although I had 8 active players yesterday, dismal performances led me to lose 19 spots and finish with an overall rank of 182. This was my worst finish in 3 years. Oh well. My commrade bookie, however, finished with the top franchise value overall, and a WWR of 26, one shy of his top 25 goal. Still, very good.
4. I love our board commaraderie, but realize it has has waned over the seasons. Still, with the competition getting stronger each year, the gurupies continue to excel. That is so very cool.
Please feel free to post your 2003-04 TSN NHL thoughts here, as well as your final WWR. Now, if you are inclined, move over to baseball. The game is quite fun.
cheers, - walk |
| 1 | Die_Habs
ID: 53346218
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 08:55
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58th, had a dismall last week and moved from my 17th ranking with want I thought top notch moves. Dissappointed after finsihing in the top 25 last year, but none the less I will take my 130 bucks this year from 3 teams and actual cash in my cheque this time (i forgot last year after 6 months and it was too late!)
I agree that TSN has the best games to offer. I do however wish they could implement some sort of trade in advance system that would allow me to trade before going away on holidays, etc.
See you all next season!
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| 2 | Hockey Ljusa Sidan
ID: 25253129
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 08:59
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299th. A bad year (finished 25th last year). I had my best start ever, but after that nice first week it was all downhill for me.
Always fun to play, even tho I can't win anything since I live in sweden.
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| 3 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 09:51
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I continued on the steam I gained last year when I finished with a real strong second half. Today was only my 2nd day in first place besides the morning of 3/16. I think it would've been pretty cool to take the top spot on the final day.
ESDNHL dominated as expected.
Goal scorers and stud fowards are the way I play and that manager stat category corresponds to my total tsnp.
I hope there's a season next year.....
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| 4 | walk
Leader
ID: 32928238
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 10:14
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Hey, for all intensive purposes, SW, you did grab the championship on the last day. 3 weeks in either 2nd, 3rd or 4th place and then you are in 1st when it counted the most was way cool in my book.
I think the strategy of money making and stud forwards makes good sense, and you show success with it. I also found it interesting that the 2nd place finisher, who missed you by only 50 TSN pts, had only $72MM in franchise value, far below some of us in the mid to upper $80s. Impressive.
- walk
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| 5 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 12:21
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I had a really solid start too, starting 6-days late but being in the top 20 in money and at ~700 WWR after three weeks. Struggled mightily for about a month though and drifted back to ~1800 before finally getting back to where I was after another month. Worked my way into the 200's-300's by New Years and stayed there all year. (Finished 242nd) After my 62nd place finish last year thats a dissapointment, especially considering how solid I was in the money-making department. I still feel that the top players didn't perform as well as in years past, but sw, bookie, walk and doom managed to do better with similar RV's, so maybe it was just me. ;)
Time to move towards baseball. The Belly is stacked again, so I'll be happy with another top 10 finish in the top division. :)
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| 6 | caribou
ID: 51255256
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 16:41
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ESDNHL is a really hard Division (like last years edition), on my part, had tons of difficulties this year, but was still lots of fun.
Congrats smallwhriled and to all our Division in finishing #1...
Looking forward for next years ESDNHL gurupie division.
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| 7 | The Dienasty
ID: 3810111222
Mon, Apr 05, 2004, 16:47
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2003-2004 was a forgettable year for me. I had hoped to improve on my 250-ish finish from last season, but ended finsihing even lower at 449. I attribute much of that to stronger competition, and my inability to get goalie wins for much of the final 2 month stretch at the end. This year unfolded much in the opposite way it did last, with me starting strong and fizzling at the end.
Looking at the season from a personal performance standpoint, i believe i eclipsed my total TSNP output from last year (albiet to a lower final WWR), and crushed my final RV from last season as well.
It was still a fun season either way, and i hope to be able to do it all again next year. Save me a spot in ESDNHL ;).
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| 8 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 18:22
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As someone who was near the back of the pack this year, I was interested in hearing some thoughts are general ultimate hockey strategy. For some reason I could never gain money this season and was a tradeaholic always chasing after the hot hand who was cold by the time I got them. Do you tend to focus on goalies and forwards or centers or does it matter? Where are the points and money in this game?
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| 9 | walk
ID: 27132211
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 19:28
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The money usually comes from hot players who are relatively affordable or value-priced who also may have strong schedules. This year, I noticed a greater level of sophistication amongst the masses whereby studly forwards and goalies with good schedules increased in $ big-time the day that the "good schedule" commenced. In most situations however, it's usually easy to identify the gainers in the price movers thread and climb aboard the wave and ride it while you can. If you aggressively trade to "follow points" and exhaust trades too soon in the trade week, you won't have the trades to climb on the key waves that ebb and flow. The key is to anticipate a few of the obvious gainers -- usually the high priced fowards and goalies with upcoming good schedules -- and hang back and "watch the market" to grab the gainers that the masses are grabbing.
I hope this helps. I finished in the top 10 in franchise value, but know that starting 4 or 5 days late really contributed to my franchise value.
- walk
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| 10 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 20:23
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Here's an easy way to do it. Test yourself, and see how often you can end the week with an extra trade. If you're not ending the trade week with some leftover, then you are bypassing opportunities to gain RV, I guarantee that.
A good thing to do is to see if you can get a couple in your trade bank and use them as a buffer. The days to make the money are the last 3 or so days of the trade week. The smart managers get out early and in early. In fact, most of my trades were made on Monday and Tuesday, when most people were out.
If you spend trades early and grab a few gainers, they'll leak before the end of the week, but I'll already be out of those players and I'll gain RV, while the competition loses. Do this for a couple of months, and you will blow away an auto-division.
I go huge at foward and use goalie as almost a throwaway. Most people do not play this way, though. I always go with huge stud fowards, most of the time it was 7 studs in all of the foward positions the last few months, which correlates to my team having the most goals scored. Believe me, it takes luck to play this way, but what can I say, I'm a lucky guy.
Oh, and as much as people want to say that RV doesn't mean much, don't listen to any of them. I was maxing out all year, and look where it brought me. Sure you can get luckier with less RV, but I'll more RV and play it that way.
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| 11 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 21:21
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Thanks for the reply guys. I would definitely fail the test with regularity. I had always thought that you had to focus on goalies for the potential for huge nights and to avoid the big negatives associated with riskier picks. Seems like there may be a difference of opinion on this but how can you argue with #1. I am already looking forward to next year...
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| 12 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 10:46
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I only had one team this and it went pretty well. Started the year slowly as it was a day late team but moved up nicely as the year went on. I was actually # 1 in the world for one day( had Khabibulin and Weekes for their 0-0 shutout of each other's teams).Kept moving up the standings steadily into the top 100 and all the way up to #36 or so and figured it would keep on going. But I hit a wall and none of my forwards would score over the last month and some bad timely trades by me killed my team- ie trading Luongo just before his 4 in 7 shutout streak cost me about 600 points and a trade, got rid of Turco just before is B2B shoutouts in the last couple of weeks. I was actually very patient in the beginning of the year and had at sometimes 15 trades built up, trading for schedule and holding through cold streaks. Was in a division with smallwhirled's second team and had a great battle back and forth he'd be up 500-600 and then I would,but eventually lost by 29 point and ended up in 92. Including last year that's 3 out of 4 teams in the top 100 and I havent won a division yet (talk about crappy luck with the autodiv's)Biggest advice is to be patient with good players sometimes you pick them up and they go cold and then you sell just before they get hot, be patient. Also look for teams and goalies that are streaking like Brodeur early and the leafs on their win streak. Hopefully, if there is a next year, I can crack the top 20 as this was my goal this year. On a side note I finished in top 20 or so for RV too.
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| 13 | smallwhirled
ID: 471461310
Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 11:56
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Great managing tommyd. You really did a hell of a job with that trade bank. As I always try to say, trades = more RV down the line, and you definitely followed that path. It's so much easier to get a high RV if you've got trades, it's the most important factor, you have to be stingy at times.
Next year, if there's a season, I bet you'll break through with that kind of managing. That was a hell of a race down to the final day.
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| 14 | jseth333
Leader
ID: 24100310
Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 11:48
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You guys make patience sound so easy...maybe one day I will realize that spending the new trades by 11:30 is really not the way to go...
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| 15 | Die_Habs
ID: 53346218
Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 14:58
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Hear is my two cents...
Not only do you have to have patience, but you need to be a smart manager and remember you have 12 (i believe) players and only recieve 5 trades per week. This requires you to invest some of your time into looking at schedules to determine roster spots were you are going to need to keep players for a period of at least 3 weeks. In the last two years, I have never been stuck with an injuried player and waiting for the next round of trade.
Luck, smart management, and also a considerable amount of time spent planning with make you a top 100 player.
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| 16 | isles72
ID: 3810172818
Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 19:27
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I havent played ultimate for a few seasons .I find the tsn website too slow for my connection speed .Therfore I grow too impatient to make roster moves etc...
basically stick to my fantasy keeper league and a few yahoo leagues .
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| 17 | Die_Habs
ID: 53346218
Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 08:45
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I think TSN has done an admirable job in fixing the issue you may have in terms of speed. There is on better game out there.
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| 18 | bookie
ID: 1337127
Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 08:59
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I use a combination of what all of these guys said. Like SW mentioned, you have to conserve a few trades, for most of the season, I tried to have at least 3 left by the end of the week. It is definitely hard in the beginning, but using what Die_Habs said and looking for guys that you can hold for a considerable time clearly helps. I rarely pick up a guy that I don't think I can hold for at least 2 weeks, early in the season, I never do.
As for the debate over skaters vs goalies, you can't argue with SW at number 1, but personally, I try to find the best value at all positions and generally hold solid goaltenders,not necessarily the super studs, but solid guys with a decent schedule upcoming.. I finished this season, ranked 26th WWR, #1 in Cash (I wish that were reversed) and the only category I made top manager by stats in was Shutouts by my goalies and I wasn't number one, just in the pack that got listed.... Good luck next season.... I'll be back for more...
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| 19 | KWizard
ID: 263282016
Tue, Apr 20, 2004, 19:10
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$250 for finishing 5th which means one of the top 4 teams wasn't eligible to win a prize.
Best advice I can offer? Don't put a certain guy with the initials J.J. on your roster.
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