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Subject: So who's brave enough to show their ultimate team?
Posted by: KoGs
- [507282818] Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:28
Spezza, Jason OTT $ 6.47M
Cajanek, Petr STL $ 2.91M
Rucchin, Steve NYR $ 2.78M
Gaborik, Marian MIN $ 5.75M
Havlat, Martin OTT $ 3.50M
Pominville, Jason $ 2.70M
Pyatt, Taylor BUF $ 1.36M
Campbell, Brian BUF $ 3.04M
Muir, Bryan WAS $ 2.57M
Keith, Duncan CHI $ 2.36M
Denis, Marc CLS $ 6.23M
Raycroft, Andrew $ 5.00M
Subject to change obviously. Just kinnd threw it together right now. Didn't even look look at schedule and whether my players are signed or not lol. |
| 1 | KoGs
ID: 387292818
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 19:30
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Speaking of schedule.........anyone gonna do the schedule breakdown? kafenatid doesn't seem to have one atm.
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| 2 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:25
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The Kafenatid.net one will be up before the end of the week.
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| 3 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:51
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Okay, so I got a moment and got them up. Enjoy! :)
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| 4 | Little M
ID: 0633189
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 11:43
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Thanks, KKB.
KoGs, I haven't looked at the rosters yet. Probably won't for a few more weeks.
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| 5 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:46
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Me neither, but Havlat and Gaborik seem like huge bargains. Spezza too. Those goalies are decently priced, but I wouldn't expect to get more value then their price. I hope training camps give us a few decent cheapie G options, or its another double-expensive goalie year for us.
The D don't seem to be worth their tags either at 1st glance, though I have to admit I don't know who Muir or Keith are. :)
And thanks KKB!
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| 6 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:52
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Didn't Havlat go to the Blackhawks?
How much is Bell (SJ) who is likely to play with Thornton and Cheechoo?
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| 7 | C.SuperFreak
ID: 177202912
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:20
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Well KOG's, one thing is certainly evident, TSN needs to update their db. Denis was signed by TB and Havlat is in Chicago.
TB has a good offensive team but how's that defense this year.
I haven't even thought about Ultimate yet. Once the exhibition season starts then I'll throw something together.
Good luck and thanks for getting the ball rolling on another year of TSN. Look for my team in the 200 range of the rankings... :)
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| 8 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:26
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I'm pretty sure he knows about the changes of teams. Havlat on the Hawks will be their go-to guy 'play 25 min a game' guy. He's arguably more talented then Alfreddson, just never got the PT because of injuries. Not that this year will be different if he's still a wuss, but we'll see. Maybe the chance to be the star will change his attitude. He's also not the 18 y/o kid that he was when he first came in...
Denis in TB is still marginal to me though. That team never really defends all that well, so 6.23 mil still seems expensive.
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| 9 | isles72
ID: 10748615
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:10
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you are awesome kkb ....that schedule is extremely handy
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| 10 | smallwhirled
ID: 31759511
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:24
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I'm not too impressed with some of these early prices, I think they are too low.
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| 11 | KoGs
ID: 387292818
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 22:19
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Wanna reveal these players smallwhilred? :) I putting faith in Chicago being a better contendor this year.
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| 12 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 23:56
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Yes! Thanks KKB.
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They might have contended last year if they hadn't lost most of thier core to injury early on (Daze, Ruutu, Aucoin). I think they have a lot potential, in particular thier young blueline. If Khabibulin can give them 30 wins, they'll be alright.
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| 13 | KoGs
ID: 387292818
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 00:10
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Khaibulin looks so sexy with that price tag...... but I don't know just how much faith I can put into Chicago lol.
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| 14 | isles72
ID: 10748615
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 18:07
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a good sleeper d-man is matt carle of san jose -priced at 1.9 and steve mccarthy of atlanta , also priced at 1.9
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| 15 | smallwhirled
ID: 447253112
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 17:32
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Well, if you have a bunch of fowards in the mid-range 4-6.5 million, then it makes the cap not mean so much. Regardless, as long as the price formula stays the same all year, it'll be good regardless.
Last year RV didn't mean as much as it usually does, but that doesn't mean it won't matter this year.
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| 16 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 15:16
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Eaves is on the Spezza-Heatley line.
2.84 is a bargain...
Briere's got a nice price tag too
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| 17 | isles72
ID: 10748615
Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 11:38
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Elias and Joe Thornton are priced relatively cheap as well
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| 18 | Little M
ID: 0633189
Sun, Sep 03, 2006, 14:03
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Ira, I wouldn't put too mich emphasis on who is playing on what line during the pre-season. Last year, Ottawa played Bochenski on the first line during the pre-season, then he was dropped to the third line when the season started. That doesn't mean that Eaves won't be on the first line this year, it just means to not count on it.
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| 19 | KoGs
ID: 387292818
Mon, Sep 04, 2006, 16:35
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So Smallwhirled, how do you figure? I'm guessing first one to 75 mil wins. Well unless Anne Helene has another very nice season.
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| 20 | CHIPSNBEER
ID: 49836515
Tue, Sep 05, 2006, 16:42
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RV will be very important this year for twi reasons. First players pricing is way up (even the back-ups are 3.5m+) and tsn seems to have corrected their rv glitch at the beginning of last year. Last year one needed about 75m to have total flexiblity, this year it looks closer to 85m
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| 21 | C.SuperFreak
ID: 42671220
Wed, Sep 06, 2006, 01:04
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Well I've registered and ready to go.
I'm keeping my eye on Vokoun's condition-he's been medically cleared. But if he goes down with an injury or is not ready for opening day then Chris Mason at 3.5 million looks tempting.
How much better will Giguere be with the combo of Pronger and Niedermayer anchoring the d?
And then there's this team Delta Dental Flyers
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| 22 | smallwhirled
ID: 447253112
Wed, Sep 06, 2006, 12:46
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I will say this again for those who forgot or who weren't informed of what happened last year.
The season begins, and as we move through the first 3 or so weeks, the price changes seemed pretty heavy. Numberous times, players were changing upwards of 300K during a price change.
Then, right around the start of the basketball season, there were also changes that were much heavier than normal. And when I mean normal, I'm just comparing it to the previous year as an example.
My theory has always been that someone at TSN became aware of the price change issues, probably through the basketball game because after the first couple of days in the basketball season....the price formula was dampened.
Gone were the huge price swings that we were becoming accustomed to during the first 3 or so weeks, and in comes the 200Kish cap on gainers. Which I guess was historically more normal.
But this mid stream change completely changed the dynamics of the game midstream, and it was ridiculously unfair IMO.
1) Those who got off to a bigger RV start got a HUGE advantage because they had that advantage of making more money when it was easier to do so.
2) The converse of that was, people who tend to start slow in terms of RV development (what I do), were at a disadvantage because when they were ready to ramp up the RV gaining process, they couldn't get the huge gainers and there was a MUCH lower penalty for going tradless and just running out of trades. I mean if you are stuck holding a 400K a day loser, your gains for the particular week are pretty screwed.
This was a major problem in the game, and it really skewed things. Some mangers deserved to lose literally tons of RV because they were running out of trades by the 3rd week or so (and weekly from there, foward), and they were helped by the fact that things were capped.
I remember when this was happening, and I'm thinking wait a minute...How come this cheapie foward from last week made so much money during his train than the same type of player this week. Or in some cases it was the SAME player who's gains one week were much lower than the previous week and the selloff occured because of a schedule hold.
I remember Svatos as an incident when I bought him pretty much solely because he would make a TON of money, but this is when the dampening started and his train wasn't nearly as big as it should have been compared to previous trains the week or two before.
All I'm saying is, as long as the price change formula stays consitant, then the game is fair and I am happy. Whether they cap off gains at 3 or 400, or 100, it doesn't really matter if we are all in the same boat.
RV was not as much of a factor last year because a lot of the very expensive fowards were simply not producing. In years past, you were getting damn good production paying 10 million for Naslund, but last year that just simply wasn't the case.
Plus, a lot of really good managers took advantage of the early pricing situation and were hitting 60 million extremely fast. I remember being 5 and 6 million behind the leaders very early. Which is fine in normal years because I feel like I hit my stride for RV building in the third week foward because I always save a bunch of trades early, and I'm confident that I can make up that ground.
It made the game different last year, did it really make a huge difference? Not really, the same dudes who are usually at the top were still there. But the differential in terms of RV through the top wasn't as severe as I've seen in the past.
It never matters if the magic number is 80 million or 90 million or whatever, the only thing that matters is what is your working RV compared to the leaders or your opponents.
Hell I remember 2002 when 75 million was just beastly and I was mowing down people all the way until the end of the season just because my 77 mil was 10 mil better than everyone else. That difference is only what matters.
But not all recent years in TSN hockey were like last year. There was more of an emphasis on RV in 2003 and 2002 for sure. Who knows how this year will be, but I'm pretty excited.
Long post, but I was ticked off at what happened in the beginning of the season last year.
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| 23 | C.SuperFreak
ID: 177202912
Thu, Sep 07, 2006, 12:37
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I haven't started drafting a team yet. Still too early. My biggest problem is finding divisions for my teams (5). Seems everytime I pick a random division I get stuck with 2-3 managers that i'm already up against.
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| 24 | Hockey ljusa sidan
ID: 45625148
Thu, Sep 14, 2006, 16:29
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Forsberg @ 5.74M.
I hope he gets ready for the season start...
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| 25 | CrazyClown
ID: 52521016
Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 23:53
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Here's my beta team. Mostly went on a strenght of schedule and upside potential basis:
Forsberg-5.74
Camamlleri-4.45
Horton-4.24
Gaborik-5.75
Nagy-4.64
Bernier-2.44
Suglobov-0.5
Pitkanen-4.34
Carle-1.90
McCarthy-1.79
C.Ward-6.00
Esche-5.41
I'll have to wait and see with Suglobov, but he could be a steal, especially with Toronto heavy sched for the first month. Of course, more than half those players wont be on my team a week from now.
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