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Subject: Week 5 trades
Posted by: Ira
- [30723273] Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 17:01
Here's how she be so far:
Thursday, 2nd
Kopitar>Malkin
Frolov>Walker
Friday, 3rd
Lundqvist>Fleury
Sarturday, 4th
Getzlaf>Spezza/Crosby
Tuesday, 7th
Wellwood>Staal/Stoll
I'd love to get Sykora for his 5 in 7, but I don't have the money or trades for it.. |
| 1 | urkel
ID: 1483717
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 20:01
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Anyone else thinking about
Hossa/Kovalchuk/Kozlov > Heatley on Saturday?
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| 2 | KoGs
Donor
ID: 387292818
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 00:43
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In my opinion you gotta plan your trades better so that you don't plan to use all 5 trades in a week.
Whether that means looking for more long term holds or what I do not know. I just don't like how every week you get 5 trades, and it seems every week you have 5 trades that must be made.
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| 3 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 01:02
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I know I'm horrible with this.
But do you disagree with any of the trades I'm planning on?
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| 4 | KoGs
Donor
ID: 387292818
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 01:38
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Tough to say. But the way you are playing you always seem to be 1 week behind everyone don't you think? Last week Kopitar had already been losing money and Malkin already gaining money. At that point, it would have made sense to move Kopitar to Malkin. But I see you didn't, I'm guessing cause you didn't have the trades to do it. Why? I'm guessing cause a move of Kopitar to Malkin was not in your original plans that week.
So everyone has already made that move, and the majority of the money gained/loss'd has already occured. Now this week you are forced to make the Kopitar to Malkin move. Because although you are already late, it's still the correct move. But now you have to use a trade to make that move, while other people are using their trades to make other moves.
Then next week you are again forced to play catch up. For example this week a lot of people will move Kovalchuk/Hossa to Heatley. When will you be making that move?? Next week, again 1 week after everyone else has done it already.
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| 5 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 01:50
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I've realized that too. I don't know how I got in this position, or how to get out of it.. But yeah, I'm definetly noticing it..
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| 6 | Destroy*
ID: 1510827
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 08:08
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Kopitar--Malkin
McCarthy--White
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| 7 | KoGs
Donor
ID: 387292818
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 08:42
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Maybe you have to suck it up and eat a couple bad schedules just to right the ship? Dunno though.
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| 8 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 09:04
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Haven't had time to properly manage my team recently, hopefully i can turn things around soon.
First order of business, Kopitar -> Malkin
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| 9 | smallwhirled
ID: 408271610
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 10:09
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Yes, the way to get out of it is to eat a couple of bad schedules. From my experiences, it could take up to 3 weeks to "right the ship" on a team that is going tradeless every week. But if that's your strategy and it works for you, then go for it.
The 2 things that I consider to know if I'm not going into the red are:
1) Am I hitting 0 before trades come out Wednesday night
2) Am I going to less than 5 although occasionally 4 I guess, after the new trades come out.
If I'm hitting those two things, then chances are I'm doing things right.
It seems like Lehtonen is getting some major publicity on the TSN boards about the selloff starting right now...
Johan Hedberg will get the start in goal on Friday when Atlanta travels to Washington.
Hedberg played on Wednesday after coach Bob Hartley pulled starting goaltender Kari Lehtonen, as Lehtonen was pulled after allowing four goals in only 13 shots. Hartley announced after the game that Hedberg would get the start on Friday. Adjust your rosters.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Seriously, I'm a little upset with the goalie pricing. There should be 500K goalies. There are 500K players in every other position, but just not goalie. If there were, I'd really consider toying punting goalie and getting more cash into my fowards.
You know, something like the Ray Emery situation last year playing 1 out of every 4 or 5 games. The cheapest goalies are mostly all in gravity and therefore aren't attractive to me.
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| 10 | Richard
Dude
ID: 204252420
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 10:42
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I agree, SW. The migration out of Lehtonen will start today. It won't be an immediate tremendously big sell-off but the bleeding starts today. He's widely owned (~75%) and his recent performance has been dismal. I'm moving him to Fernandez but considered Fleury, Miller and Ward before making my move.
Richard
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| 11 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 12:29
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alright...
I suppose I'll hold on to Wellwood and Lehtonen until the 12th, and keep Getzlaf indefinetly.
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| 12 | KoGs
ID: 28401010
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 12:30
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I am downgrading Mr. Lehtonen (money wise). I will need some extra cash to go from Sundin --> Staal/Crosby. And then I'll need some cash to upgrade Aleexev. My original plan was to wait it out and go Lehtonen --> Fleury, but it seems I don't have the luxery of waiting anymore. And I'm not too excited about Pitt's next 2 opponents of SJ and ANA. So I'm going with.............Toskala. I considered Ward heavily as I do believe Carolina is starting to pick things up, but Toskala is about 1/2mil cheaper. I may undo the trade and still get Ward though. We'll see how I am feeling about it in a few hours.
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| 13 | urkel
ID: 1483717
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 14:09
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I kind of thought that they fixed a situation that was broken by eliminating the 500k goalies. All it takes is one or 2 injuries and then a 500k guy is suddenly the starting goaltender for a playoff-bound team. Weren't we always complaining about that last year?
They may have overcompensated a tad though, when goalies seem grossly overpriced across the board.
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| 14 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 14:29
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I agree with urkel, especially for money makers like us (SW), we shouldn't want the teams with less roster value to have easy outs with a 500k goalie. We need to put our RV advantage to use.
With that said, I still think I wanna keep Lehtonen another week, but I just don't know...
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| 15 | smallwhirled
ID: 408271610
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 14:40
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Fair argument. The 500K thing sucked in Feb, but was awesome if utilized in November.
As for Lehtonen, I went Lehtonen > Miller x2.
Bufalo is an iffy proposition. I don't have the trades to move in and out of Buffalo for the 4 day hole....it's probably not worth it at this point in the season. I'm going to bite the bullet on Buffalo and hold them long term.
Leaves the goalies on my two teams as...
Miller-Fluery
Gigure-Fluery
I don't think I've EVER invested that much in a goalie combination. Seriously. Goalie is going to rip through people's trades right now. I may need a trade on Gigure after tommorrow's game as well.
All I know is I'm going to hit 61 on one of my teams tonight and I will have Walker and Alexeev, with 0 upgrade money. Not a great position to be in probably.
There are some cheapie options still available at winger like Pyatt, Eaves, and Stefan Ruzicka...so I guess they will need to be utilized, but again, these guys absolutely rip through trades.
I'm now down to 6 and 4 and worried about running out.
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| 16 | KoGs
ID: 28401010
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 14:51
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You could always ease up on the RV race and let me surpass you :). But yeah, I hear you. I'm almost tempted to trade Kovalchuk and NOT pick up Heatley, just to free up some cash. But I won't.
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| 17 | KoGs
ID: 28401010
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 15:45
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You know what? I think I'm going even cheaper, Nabokov.
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| 18 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 16:08
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Nabby is indeed starting tonight.
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| 19 | urkel
ID: 1483717
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 18:40
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Lehtonen > Miller
Lehtonen > Fleury x2
I hope Lehtonen drops like a stone, or I'm going to feel pretty foolish for making these trades. :)
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| 20 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 18:47
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Lehtonen won't drop that much since there are about 1600 teams still holding Kopitar. Semin will probably drop big too since he's been falling like a stone the past couple of days. I'm biased since I'm holding onto him, but I just don't see it happening.
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| 21 | KoGs
Donor
ID: 387292818
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 18:54
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It's not the first initial drop that worries me, it's the ripple effect that will follow. Tomorrow people will sell Lehtonen after seeing he dropped today. Then the day after that, Lehtonen will be sold after they realize he didn't play on Friday.
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| 22 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 22:19
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Bailed on Semin today as his sell off should escalate (same with Kopitar)with the new trades. Really hate to burn the trade and miss the point explosion that is due....but I'm thinking he will sink another <350> before his schedule/talent return everyone to reality.
Semin=>Pominville x 3
Plan is to hold Pmnv through the upcoming 4 day hole in Buf schedule.
I gotta be the only person who hasn't owned Lehtonen this year:<(' His current fall from grace :>) will not make up for my missed point/dollar opportunity feasted on by "y'awl" (red-neck's term for everybody else in the friggin world)
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| 23 | urkel
ID: 1483717
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 16:24
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Was planning on Marleau > Spezza today, changed my mind and went Marleau > Crosby instead.
The reason: I don't want to get trapped in the pickup/injury/drop cycle I got into last year. I pick him up, and BAM! Injured. Trade him, he comes back, I pick him up, BAM! Injured.
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| 24 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 18:33
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Full disclosure: Lehtonen dropped more than I thought he would and I'm concerned about the scenario KoG points out in #21. I'm not too stubborn to admit a mistake and keep it from getting worse, so I moved Lehtonen for Fleury today.
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| 25 | CrazyClown
ID: 52521016
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 18:54
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Went Lehtonen=>Brodeur yesterday (bust), planning to keep him for 7 to 10 days.
Wellwood=>Beech to stabilize things and free up some cash for Kozlov=>Heatley and Alexeev=>Eaves tomorrow, although I am not sure about the last one.
I figure Wellwood will continue his slide, so that people who have not yet got Malkin do. And he hasnt been productive the last 2 weeks.
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| 26 | urkel
ID: 2791956
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 14:40
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After much hemming and hawing, I picked up Dany on all my ultimate teams.
Hossa > Heatley
Kovalchuk > Heatley
Kozlov > Heatley
also
Giguere > Fleury
No Spezza or Eaves for me, at least for now. All teams still have Hossa or St Louis... those guys will become BUF guys next week.
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| 27 | urkel
ID: 2791956
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 15:04
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my dilemma now is Roloson on one team. I don't like any of the choices I can afford (already have Fleury on that team and don't have the cash for Miller)
I think I'm just going to take the RV hit on Roloson and wait until BUF comes back. Then I can trade Hossa > Afinogenov/Vanek and use the extra cash to upgrade Roloson to Miller.
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| 28 | CrazyClown
ID: 52521016
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 22:06
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Held on to Kozlov, will go Kozlov=>Sykora tuesday unless i need to use my last trade. I blady managed this week.
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| 29 | caribou
ID: 281055216
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 21:33
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There will be lots of movement in the standings tomorow morning....with Kovalchuk having a huge night !
damm me with Hossa instead !
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| 30 | urkel
ID: 35962017
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 21:54
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boy, am I ever glad I moved Kovalchuk (and Hossa and Kozlov, on different teams) for Heatley. Ugh.
Kovalchuk Hat trick, 1A
Kozlov 1G, 3A
Hossa 1G, 2A, GWG
Heatley 1G
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| 31 | C.SuperFreak
ID: 498202919
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 00:51
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I'm thinking I might just have to move into Pronger or Niedermayer sooner than later.
Corvo needs to kick it up a notch.
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| 32 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 09:09
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Today:
Semin -> Sykora
Mostly a money grab, as i need to get back into the Top 100 in RV for self-respect.
Some ponderings for the next refresh:
Kovalchuk -> ?
Lecavalier -> Briere
Alexeev -> Whitney
Sykora -> St. Louis/Sullivan
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| 33 | Tuques
ID: 52945176
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 09:45
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Decided not to wait and I went Kovalchuk to Sykora, might hurt but I wont have to trade Kovalchuk with comming trade...
Tuques
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| 34 | Destroy*
ID: 42105678
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 10:02
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Guys,
1 trade left, 2 choices:
should I move Denis to Roloson
or
Kozlov (or Kovalchuk) to Sykora
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| 35 | caribou
ID: 50838255
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 10:22
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Sykora and Stoll should be the biggest gainers until the new trades....
I'm not so sure about Roloson....being on the road !
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| 36 | Destroy*
ID: 42105678
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 10:23
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Kozlov or kovalchuck to sykora?
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| 37 | caribou
ID: 50838255
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 10:23
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With 2 minutes left before the start of the game.....I got rid of Lethonen...finally. The pre-game indicated that Hedberg was in net....close call....
Lethonen > Ward
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| 39 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 11:32
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you guys are nuts wanting to trade thrashers into oilers right now. Sykora only gets 38 a game, you're not gaining any games until this weekend. Even Kozlov-->Sykora is pretty lateral, and I bet Kozlov outscores Sykora in the next 3 games!
Lehtonen on the other hand...he can be moved. Hedberg is gonna keep playing until he loses...
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| 40 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 12:49
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true, but that was on the 2nd line..
Tonight Sykora and Hemsky are bumped up to the first line with Ryan Smyth, who is our highest scoring forward on the team..
Just wait...
anywho, Alexeev>Whitney
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| 41 | CrazyClowns
ID: 5195166
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 17:33
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I disagree with you J. I'm not saying it is the move of the century, but $$$ wise, Atlanta players will be under pressure for the next couple of days (unitl friday night). Having both Kozlov and Kovalchuk, I dont mind spreading my bets a little on this, especially if it is to get Sykora, who will gain close to 500k in RV till sunday according to my model.
Thinking back on it, i should probably have moved Kovalchuk rather than Kozlov, because he is more proned to a $$$ slide (33% ownership vs 17%), but i got greedy for points.
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| 42 | urkel
ID: 35962017
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 18:52
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No way am I trading Hossa for Sykora. I'd rather save a trade and go directly from Hossa to Vanek or Gaborik if he's back (when IS he back, anyways?).
Am thinking about St. Louis > Sykora > St Louis
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| 43 | smallwhirled
ID: 408271610
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 19:17
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I Disagree. While ownership is a factor...some of you are underestimating the fact that Atl has a B2B before the hole. Which means, it's really hard to actually GAIN games before the selloff on the 12th.
Generally, if you have a guy that has been a long term hold...and isn't producing....and doesn't have a B2B....then, will they be sold hard before that last game.
While Sykora buy date is today, it sure as heck isn't Atlanta sell date yet because you gain no games.
Kozlov, I can see, but Ilya is just flat out so much better than Sykora.
Don't get me wrong, Sykora will make money tonight, but it won't be at the expensive of Atlanta wingers.
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| 44 | smallwhirled
ID: 408271610
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 19:24
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To me, this is just a scenario where you are thinking about selling the best wing (apologies Jags) in the entire game the day before he starts a 3 in 4. In most cases, I have no problem selling guys a little early who aren't performing and all, but that B2B on the back end is underrated.
There is no possible way to gain even 1 game by selling before that final date, so I'm assuming that there will not be a big selloff before then.
People still have other things to worry about, like Lehtonen.
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| 45 | urkel
ID: 1483717
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 21:05
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oh forgot to mention, went
Denis > Ward
today.
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| 46 | Ira
ID: 30723273
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 00:53
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glad I went Lehtonen>Ward
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| 47 | urkel
ID: 2791956
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 09:35
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Funny how a few days can drastically change things... I'd been planning on Hossa > Afinogenov/Vanek/Gaborik
But with Afinogenov gone, Vanek slightly less attractive due to loss of his linemate, and Gaborik's return uncertain, I'll be taking a good long look at Selanne. I never even realized he'd started to pick up his game again in the last week or so, and Anaheim has a killer sched for the next month.
Icing on the cake is that this scenario would let me keep the league's leading scorer right until the end of his great schedule.
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| 48 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 22:46
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CrazyClowns - how bout now? :)
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| 49 | urkel
ID: 2791956
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 00:35
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And the nightmare continues for people who went from ANY ATL winger to Heatley last week. At least I didn't fall into the same trap twice by moving Hossa > Sykora.
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| 50 | CrazyClowns
ID: 5195166
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 09:33
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yeah, me bad, very very bad. Kozlov gets 147 and Ilya gets 4...
At least my price gain model seems on par so far for Sykora, 220k in 2 days, more to come till sunday.
But I'll probably regret the move down the line, with a net so far of -114 pts...
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