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Subject: Goalie School 101(Help Please) Posted by: What about Bob - [44822618] Fri, Oct 06, 00:01 I know "walk" went into this briefly in another thrd, but frankly I'd like some more opinions on the subject. I'm having a hard time understanding Belfour's large price drop today. Can people really be rotating goalies on a DAILY basis? Belfour didn't play badly last nite, has a great schedule vs. relatively weak opponents, so what gives? Is it possible that lots of new teams are still drafting, and since Belfour is off until the 7th, managers simply took other goalies who played sooner? (like Turek :-(!! Can someone(dumbasses only PLEASE) help a rookie hockey manager, and give opinions on what they feel the best strategy is for goalies. I have to think some form of goalie rotation is a BIG KEY to SW Hockey. Thanks for the help. | ||||||
| 1 | J ID: 32459220 Fri, Oct 06, 00:08 |
In previous (non daily repricing) goalie rotations were not at all a factor. With daily repricings I still dont think goalie rotations are the way to go. Goalie starts are too tough to figure. On any given day a goalie can be given the night off, so rotating amongst them doesn't seem like a good use of trades. But, again with daily repricing....we'll see... | |||||
| 2 | Richard ID: 58435323 Fri, Oct 06, 00:18 |
The only explanation for Belfour's price drop is that manager's sold him after the first game. There were obviously enough manager's who wanted to try a goalie rotation strategy to start the season. The way I look at a goalie strategy is that it is an awfully good way to burn thru your trades quickly. I don't think it is going to be a viable strategy for making lots of points. Unless there is a very good matchup, you just can't count on big goalie points. I look at them like I did cheap pitchers in baseball. Rotating them is a crap shoot, you have a good chance for big negative points. However, if your goalie throws a shutout, you can score big points. It's a gamble, especially early in the season. I pity those manager's who spent a trade going Belfour to Turek for tonight's game in Phoenix. Turek's getting shelled 4-1 at the end of the 2nd period. Looks like he will get negative points (-60 for goals allowed so far) tonight (and maybe a decent drop in price tomorrow). In addition, goalies usually don't play in back-to-back games so I don't expect Turek to be in goal for Friday's game. I don't have a clue on what a good goalie strategy will be. Maybe some of veteran SW hockey guru's can enlighten us. Richard | |||||
| 3 | Jay-P ID: 52651716 Fri, Oct 06, 00:24 | I blew a trade on going from Roy-Turek, simply because I figured there will be "dumbass" managers like me seeing a 33 for Roy, and pushing the panic button. I now realize why I drafted Roy over Turek, because goalies don't play back to back games too often, though I'm pretty sure Turek goes tomorrow, because it's so early in the season, similar to Aubin in Pittsburgh, who should play both games in Japan. With so many trades at my dispensal, I will now trade out of Turek, to avoid the big price hit tomorrow, since we're in the money making stage. BTW, what's that status of Hasek, because if he's hurt for a while, I can swap into his backup, is it Biron again this year? | |||||
| 4 | What about Bob ID: 44822618 Fri, Oct 06, 00:57 |
Thanks guys, but now that brings me to another thing "walk" has tried to impress upon me. He has stressed that it is VERY important to make money EARLY on in hockey(like it is in ALL SW games for that matter-don't know about that politics game??). So that brings me to my next question-Do you think that goalie rotation is a way to make lots of cash early in the season? Or do you think if a couple of real cheap goalies start off "hot", the trick will be to just ride them until their gains level off regardless of their schedule, and take the money, and sacrifice the points. This goalie stuff is tough. | |||||
| 5 | What about Bob ID: 44822618 Fri, Oct 06, 01:00 | Oops, one more question for you-anyone care to predict Belfour's price drop :-( or price gain :-) tomorrow? | |||||
| 6 | louky ID: 3242516 Fri, Oct 06, 01:16 | My first stab at Hockey, but goalie rotation seems like an ineffective use of trades, provided the schedule is favorable with your current goalies. If people are rotating at that spot, Eddie should recoup most of his losses tommorrow. Even if he only regains half, a trade to me is worth more than 30 to 40K. I am all in favor of making cash early, but after Hoops last year ( my first full season of any smallworld game and the first with daily repricing) I seemed to take the biggest $$$ hits (and point losses) when I got caught short of trades and someone went down. Schedule managment appears to be as important in Hockey as it is in Hoops so my trades will be spent there, as well as injuries/hot streaks. No room for goalie rotation in my strategy. Like I said this is my 1st year for Hockey, combined with the fact that I'm a little bull-headed, means that if rotating is the successful plan, I will be back in the back. | |||||
| 7 | Jay-P ID: 52651716 Fri, Oct 06, 01:17 |
WAB, If Dominik Hasek is hurt and will miss more than 2 weeks or so, I believe the first goalie money train will be his replacement. Also, two of the early "cheapies" face each other tomorrow, Jamie Storr on LA and Craig Billington of Washington. They are only playing because of injuries to the starting goalies on both teams. Whoever loses, will probably be sold for Kirk McLean, who is yet another injury replacement goaltender, who plays Atlanta, one of the worst teams in the league on Saturday. The best "true" starter, regardless of injuries, etc. that would be a money maker is Jean-Sebastian Aubin on Pittsburgh. However, his schedule is not too favourable at this point with a huge gap between games because Pittsburgh is opening the season in Japan. However, a possible SW glitch may solve this problem. With the whole time difference, I think that SW does not realize that the game will be played before you can purchase the players for the actual game, so if Aubin does well, you can pick him up, get the points and the sure money to follow. Tomorrow, Turek will go down bigger than Roy and Belfour's losses today, and same with Hasek because of the injury threat and low point totals. Right now, the market will fluctuate greatly, until sometime next week when managers have used up their 9 trades, and only the intelligent managers will have a stash of trades left. Belfour may see a slight gain from those who drafted Turek and may switch into him, as part of their "Goalie Rotation." Rotating goalies will probably make you money early on, but you're better off going with two out of Billington/Storr/McLean or even Aubin. This is the best way to avoid being hit by price declines of holding a star goalie the day after his start. It is more unlikely that managers rotate cheapie goalies then the studs. So, I am going with a two cheapie goaltending tandem on one of my teams until the starters return from their injuries and replace the back-ups. Sure, you sacrifice the points with the stud goalies with good schedules, but it's the most trade efficient money making strategy. When the IPO's come out, the real money is to be made, so hold up those trades (unlike me) and go after the rookies. | |||||
| 8 | louky ID: 3242516 Fri, Oct 06, 01:20 | Should say back in the pack, but back in the back works too.... I guess. My other GUESS, WAB, is that he goes up. | |||||
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