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0 Subject: RIHC 2005-06: Draft Rationales

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 11:11

This thread will be for managers in the RotoGuru Invitational Hoops Challenge to provide the rationale for each pick.

Here are the ground rules:
1. Only managers in this league should post here. If you want to provide feedback (either from other league managers, or from those not in the league), put it in the discussion thread. (Non-conforming discussion in this thread will be deleted.)

2. Try to keep the pick rationales in the same order as the draft. We'll attempt to keep this thread 2 rounds behind the actual draft. With the lag, most comments should not have an impact on the draft in progress. However, if there are aspects of your pick that you feel need to be kept under wraps, feel free to protect that information. In particular, please avoid mentioning the names of any players who are still undrafted at that time of the post.

Please post your comments at the time you make your pick. For example, you should post your comments for your round 1 pick when you make your round 3 selection. The best practice is to post your rationale immediately before making your next pick. If you are not ready to post at that time, then create a "placeholder" so that the next person is able to go ahead in sequence. When your post is ready, simply post it in the current draft discussion thread and I can copy it over.

If your rationale is due and intervening placeholders have not been inserted, please insert them before posting your rationale.

3. Once the draft is over, each manager is also encouraged to provide a general draft recap, at which time you can discuss your overall strategy, mention any undisclosed factors, comment on what worked out well and what didn't, etc.

The general format should be:
1.01 Kevin Garnett, F, MIN
Several sentences of rationale.

For your first round rationale, please comment on your choice of draft order as well.
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39for hoopsklyce
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 12:55
3.09 Pao Gasol, F, MEM

I was happy to get Gasol here and was not debating between other players. I have wishful thinking that Gasol may finally be given heavy minutes when considering the major roster changes this past offseason that included the departure of Stromile Swift a competent backup. Gasol joins the first two picks as someone with a good Fg% and can produce blocks.

40Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 12:57
3.10 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, C, Cle

In the first two years of this league, my 3rd round picks were Utah forwards, and neither worked out well. In fact, neither even finished the season. So, no Utah forwards were under consideration for this pick.

I remember taking Z as my final pick in an “expert league”draft about 4-5 years ago, and wondering if he’d actually ever play again. Amazingly, over the last three seasons he’s missed only 6 games total, making him one of the more durable players in the league. And when looking at his stats page, I was surprised to see that he’s only 30 years old. So here’s hoping that the recent trend is his friend.

I planned to take a guard and a big man with my 3rd and 4th round picks. Most of the guys at the top of my rankings are guards, so I’ll defer on them for now. I had hoped that Dwight Howard might slide to me, although I knew that was unlikely. Gasol was a consideration, but he disappeared in front of me, and frankly, I preferred Z to Pao anyway. Ben Wallace and Shaq are still available, but their foul shooting is so difficult to compensate for. If Ilgauskas can post numbers similar to last year, that’s all I ask for. In last year’s ESPN player rater, which is based on the same scoring format as this league, he ranked #23 overall.

So Z it is! Only five centers have been taken so far, and I have two of them. Hopefully, that will give me some useful flexibility later in the draft, when I don’t feel forced to forage for a serviceable option. And now I have a shot blocker to pair up with Yao who won’t torpedo my FT%.
41for Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:12
3.11 Rasheed Wallace, C, Det

I came into this pick without as much preparation as I’d have liked. I really wanted Artest here but was sure he wouldn’t drop all the way to the bottom of the third with this group. That’s why I tried to trade up in the third. It was painful watching all the next group of guys I was drooling over go one by one right in front of my pick. It seemed like in the second round, we had a run on guards, and in the third, a run on forwards. At this point, I had taken 2 guards in the first 2 rounds so I felt I needed to balance out my roster. I wanted Wallace and Odom with my next 2 picks, and it turns out I would have gotten them had I selected Odom first. However, I really wanted Rasheed- I ultimately decided- so I went ahead and listed him as first to be guaranteed to get him. I probably should have noted that LionPrideGuy already had a Center and was therefore not as likely to pick up a center (meaning Rasheed would get back to me in 3 picks), but since Rasheed is F-C eligible, even that would not have been a guarantee. Plus, having mulitple good Centers in this league is not at all a bad thing.

One of the reasons I really wanted Wallace is that the word on the street (or in my case, the net) is Sheed has come into camp hungry and in shape- 20 lbs. lighter- and promising to be more aggressive this year. I think the Pistons feel they have something to prove as the Central Division has become the best in the NBA, and they feel they’re not getting the respect they deserve. Though they added another big via free agency, I still see Rasheed getting plenty of clock. A big bonus for me was his dual eligibility at F-C. With my lack of depth at these positions so far, the flexibility he offered, esp. to fill the C spot if needed, was too good to pass up. His 80 threes were pretty sweet for a C, even if they hurt his %s.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised and concerned that [undrafted player] played as well as he did the other night in preseason. I don't want him eating into Rasheed's minutes. However, given that Rasheed can play 3 spots, I think he will still get his clock.

42for lionprideguy
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:51
3.12 Ben Wallace, C, Det
This pick was narrowed down for me by process of elimination from others. Once I started looking at players who were still available midway through the third round, I knew I would have taken Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, and Pau Gasol, if any were available. All those being gone, I felt that Ben Wallace was the best roto player still available, and it would give me some solid security at center that I haven’t had before. I know his FT% is terrible, but Ben only takes 4 FT’s a game, so it’s easier to even out and doesn’t hurt quite as much. The Blk/Stl/Reb were too much to pass up, and he is also entering a contract year which I like. The last two years under Larry Brown his stats were down from where they were prior to Brown’s arrival, so I’m hoping that he’ll get a bit of a bounce back from Brown’s departure.

I did think briefly about Shaq, but not only does Ben shoot less FT and get more reb/blk (in exchange for less points), but I do feel like Shaq is going to sit out 20 or so games this year with some claimed injury, just to save energy for the playoffs. That’s 25% of the season, and his numbers aren’t great enough to make up for that. Z might also have been a close decision had he still been on the board, but Guru solved that for me. Overall, I’m happy to get Ben this late.


4.01 Lamar Odom, F, LAL
With Kidd and two centers, I figured it was time for a F unless there was someone else who really was can’t miss (last year I got Arenas here). Odom’s all-around game helps a roto team in so many ways, and his reb numbers in LA last year were great for a small forward. Phil Jackson has been talking about getting the ball in Odom’s hands more often, even saying he may be the primary ball-handler. His shoulder seems to be fine after surgery, and it hasn’t hampered him in preseason games at all.

I had started to consider Carmelo here since he exploded late last year under George Karl, but that was only a few months and he still doesn’t get the stats in all categories outside of scoring yet, although he may begin to this year. Manu Ginobili was next to be eliminated, just because I don’t think Popp is going to give him as many minutes as I’d like, now that they’ve signed [undrafted] and still have {2 more undrafteds]. My final other choice was Richard Jefferson, who I slotted just behind Odom. His scoring will certainly go down playing next to Carter this year, but I think his FG% will go right back up to 49% now that Kidd is back, he’ll play a ton of minutes, and he gets enough in the other categories to make a good impact.

43for Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:52
4.02 Marcus Camby, C, Den

With Odom off the board, I really looked hard at a couple of other SF’s, including Melo and Maggette. However, also afraid of what a run on Centers could do to the available players there, esp. considering how many teams at this point still did not have a center, I felt I needed to look at the C spot to see if there was a player available. I felt Camby surprised last year (at least me) and when he was playing, he was putting up some monster numbers. I had been wondering coming into this draft if it might be possible to land him on my squad this year.

Coach Karl seems high on Camby, saying recently that he could be a ‘special’ player for the Nuggets this year. Camby has not been as injury prone in the last couple years, but this fear is what causes him to slip in drafts. If he can stay healthy this year, he will be a blocking and boarding machine. He also gives double figure scoring, a couple assists and a steal to round out his contributions. His FT % is decent for a C, though his FG% is not impressive. Fortunately, I was able to address team FG% in rounds 5 and 6.

Probably one of the best things about Camby is that he's such a stud in blocks. If he goes down, I will probably get hurt in this cat, since I'm counting on him for a boatload. Of course, news about his sore foot broke after I picked him. Hopefully this will not be a big deal. Realistically though, this is the type of 'little' injury that seems to always be plaguing him. He misses more games for such a vast variety of seemingly small injuries.

I don't know, maybe he was a bit of a reach this early in the 4th. Certainly he was a gamble. Time will tell. I was telling a good friend about my team and he asked me if I was going for the all-injury team. I'm starting to feel I may have to think a lot of positive thoughts to will my players into staying healthy this year.

44Guru
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:55
4.03 Chauncey Billups, G, Det

Time for another guard. After my last pick, I made up a short list of candidates, which included Billups & Ginobili as the top two options. Since Pacers Rule already had 2 guards, I thought maybe one of those two would make it back to me. Frankly, my best scenario was that exactly one would make it back, so I wouldn’t have to choose.

Last year, I also took a guard in the 4th round. It turned out to be a disastrous pick. Reading my rationale for that pick, I was choosing between Wade, Arenas, Billups, and Jason Terry. I made the colossal blunder of taking Terry, who was a complete bust for about the first half of the year. He did post decent numbers in the 2nd half, but when I consider how the other three options would have worked out, I know I’m an idiot.

Wade and Arenas both went in the first round this year. Billups is still available, and although he’s no longer in their tier, he was the 19th ranked player in the ESPN rater last year, partly due to his durability (80 games played). His game was probably more disciplined last year under Larry Brown than it will need to be this year, so maybe he’ll score a bit more (at the possible cost of a lower FG%).

Ginobili probably has more upside, but he averaged just under 30 minutes per game last year, and with a couple of high profile guards added to the Spurs roster during the offseason, I doubt if his playing time will go up at all. In fact, I suspect Popovich will intentionally hold down the regular season minutes for all of his key players, making San Antonio another team in the mold of Memphis and Portland of recent years, where the player rotation is too deep for fantasy excellence. If I thought Gino could get 35 mpg (with similar per-minute productivity), I’d take him over Billups. But I don’t see that happening.

In the playoffs, I’d probably pick Gino over Chauncey. But I think Billups is a better regular season option. It’s a close call, though.
45for hoopsklyce
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 19:46
4.04 Manu Ginobili, G, SA

This was a tough decision for me. I would have taken Billups if available since I like his 3's, asst, and FT%. I also think his scoring may increase with Larry Brown gone.

I also gave consideration to Jason Richardson and Corey Maggette here. I decided to trust my depth chart as Manu was the best available. He can contribute steals and has a fairly well rounded game. My concern is that [undrafted player] might cause him to play fewer minutes than projected.

46for Doug
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      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 19:48
04.05 - Shaquille O’Neal, C, Miami
Wow. I kept waiting for some other sucker to take him and get stuck at the bottom of the FT% category thanks to his flip-a-coin accuracy. Well, it looks like I’m the sucker! This is probably the biggest pick of the draft for me, as it probably affects every other pick I make from here on out in one respect or another.

Truth is, after we made it around the round 3->4 turn and all those other Cs went off the board, I suddenly got my hopes up Shaq would fall to me here… so excited, in fact, that I’m writing this rationale before hoopsklyce has even picked (talk about tempting fate!). I realize there was a chance that hoopsklyce would take him, seeing as his squad was still sans-C… but his biggest needs seemed to be steals and 3s. I figured I should do my research to decide who I’d take if Shaq indeed came off the board… developed a short list of 4-5 players, and finally settled on Ginobli as my plan B. Interesting… that’s who hoopsklyce drafted!

OK… so about Shaq… I’m going to have to do some serious work if I don’t want to completely punt the FT category, but I think I can afford to do that given my existing squad and how much he helps me in several other categories. What’s more, I just love Shaq. He’s probably my favorite active NBA player, so I’m very happy to have him on board in that “fan” sense too… and I love what the training camp reports are saying about his condition:

After focusing on cardio and "trimming down" to 330 prior to last season, O'Neal has redirected his attention to weight training and has added 15 pounds of muscle this off-season, the Miami Herald reports. “Last year I felt kind of weak, especially there at the end. I've been hitting the weights a lot harder. I was normal last season. I was an earthling last season. I had to go back to my alien roots.''

Comments like that strike a chord with me. Dunno, maybe it’s ‘cus I’m part-alien too. Although, I don’t really bear any resemblance to a particular undrafted player, who is a known extraterrestrial. The point is, I look forward to Shaq’s bizarre, sometimes non-sequiter statements. And, in honor of that, it seems now would be an appropriate time to say something I’ve been wanting to say all draft long: Norm Chow.

Seriously though, I have to admit I was REALLY surprised to see him still hanging around, and even though he really hurts my FT%, he was far and away my BPA. I had him rated as early-3rd round, and here we are sitting in mid-4th. If I had ANY inkling he would fall this far, I probably would have made a small reach for Peja in round 2… or maybe for Billups in 3… but regardless I couldn’t pass up the opportunity any longer, even if it breaks from my original motto of “Shaq if, and only if, Peja/Allen”.
47Mike D
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      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 23:21
4.06 Kirk Hinrich, PG/SG, Chi

I narrowed my choice down to Hinrich, Redd, and Jefferson. I had been leaning to Redd originally and had considered trading up to get him. Then, my mind changed to Jefferson. Ultimately, I decided to stay ahead of the probable PG run since I will be helpless to stop it. Also, when comparing these 3, I noticed that Hinrich should help me in more categories including some I am lacking in such as steals. As an added bonus, he qualifies at both guard positions, which may end up being very useful.

Here’s hoping he can improve his FG % this year a little more. Actually, here’s hoping he can play anywhere close to the way he performed in the playoffs last year: 45% FG, 2 steals/game, 5.8 assists, and 21.2 points. That’s almost as crazy as me taking another token WG……..

48KnicksFan
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      ID: 030815418
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 00:09
4.07 Tyson Chandler, F/C, CHI

Well, I needed a center, and although Chandler isn't center elligable yet, he'll be starting at center for the Bulls this season. As a starter, his minutes per game should be somewhere between 33-38. If you look at Tyson's stats in the games where he played over 30 minutes, you'll see why I took this guy in round 4, even though he's going much later in most drafts. Maybe I'm just blinded by my optimism, but my conservative expectation is 12 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks. Perhaps he'll take on some of the offensive load left from Curry's departure and score in the high teens. Perhaps he'll pull down Rodman-esque rebounding totals with Gordon and Hinrich tossing up bricks. It looks like this finally will be Tyson's breakout season, and I wanted to make sure I was on board for the ride. Maybe I took him too early; we'll find out soon enough.
50Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 04:35
4.08 – Carmelo Anthony, SF, DEN -

I had a real struggle with this one. As I was leaving for the airport today, with 10 picks until my turn, I sent a 10 man queue to my designated picker. The draft ran slow, so when my turn came back up, I found that two of my top 3 picks were still there, and I began to worry that my draft list was screwy. But the more I looked, the more I felt confidence in it. It came down to a choice of Corey Maggette, Richard Jefferson, and Carmelo … and I got to the point that I typed in Jefferson’s name twice before I backed out.

Each player has upside, but Carmelo really has inspiration to do better this year. Last season started off rough with all sorts of distractions (There was a fight in a New York City nightclub, a poor performance in the Olympics, an accusation of marijuana possession, an extortion attempt against him and a cameo on a DVD that promoted violence and drugs). But he played very well the last third of the season, and has a good core of players around him. He’ll give me good points and FT%, but poor blocks and FG%. For the potential involved, along with discussion of him being a “point forward” … a very good round 4 pick.
51skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 09:00
4.09 Kurt Thomas, PF, Phx

Kurt is one of those players that I have had success with in the past. My AAA championship team from last year had Kurt at one of the center spots and I believe I landed him around the 7th round. This year I had him ranked as an early 5th rounder, so I had about 6 players on my list rated slightly higher than Kurt. The decision came down to getting a player that will have center eligibility and will provide quality stats in several categories.

Why he is not listed as a center shows the lunacy of Yahoo when it comes to doing rankings and positions. Kurt was a center all of last season and was going to be the starting center for Phoenix this year. The coaching staff was shifting Amare to pf and Marion to sf before Amare's injury. Thus there is no reason he should not be listed as a FC. I will have to wait the 5 games it appears unless Yahoo does a pre-season adjustment, but I doubt it.

With Kurt in Phoenix, I anticipate his scoring to go up and should stay solid in rebounding as well as shooting high FT% for a big man. I expect 15 pts and the usual 10 boards from him as well as about a block per game. Other strong considerations here were Redd, G. Hill and Iggy. I figured there were only 6 picks until my next selection, so I hoped one would make it back to me.
52Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 09:06
4.10 Jason Richardson, G, GS

I was still somewhat concerned that I didn't have a center, but there were several that I had ranked similarly and figured I'd wait until after the turn to decide.

Instead, I decided to go for the best player available instead of targeting a specific position. I only seriously considered Richardson, Jefferson, and Maggette. And the other two were gone with the next two picks. They each play similar roles, but Richardson makes considerably more 3's than the others and gets more steals (and does worse at the line). I figured with Peja, Dirk, and Francis, I could deal with some below average ft shooters, so decided to take JRich for his upside. placeholder

53Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 11:50
4.11 Richard Jefferson, SF, NJN

We're quickly learning that trying to read Dave R is a bit like trying to stop a flash flood with a giant sieve:

Edgar: Who should we take first, Maggette or RJ?
Swish: I think we should take RJ first. I bet Dave R will take RJ if he's there, being a Net and all. I doubt he'll take Maggette.
Edgar: Yeah, that's what i think too. There's more chance of him taking RJ than Maggette.

End result: We take RJ, he picks Maggette right after. Go figure. I'm so lookin' forward to this happening about another 5 times before the end of the draft. Anyway....

As Doug alluded to in the discussion thread, Jefferson's pretty good value here. He probably only slipped this far due to worries regarding the wrist injury that kept him out most of last season. It's a bit of a mystery what RJ's numbers will be like in the mix with VC and Kidd. His FG% should be back to 45% at least with those J-Kidd dishes, as well as Vince drawing defenders. One of RJ's most alluring facets is his Maggette like (can you see a theme here?) aptitude for getting to the line and knocking down his shots (8.2 FTA, 84% FT last season). Throw in a sprinkling of 3s and steals, and pretty good rebounding from SF, and you've got a very well rounded player that doesn't hurt in any category. Overall, RJ should benefit from the space created for him by Kidd's passing and Vince's slashing, and continue to improve his game, as he has each year he's been in the league.
56Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:41
4.12 Corey Maggette G/F LAC

I got to admit, this is fun with the Euro's trying to figure my picks. Wrong on RJ, right on Josh.

After my pick in the 3rd round I had hoped to get a center with this pick, but the end of round 3 a run on the position started with Z, Sheed, Ben, and Camby taken off the board, soon to be followed by Shaq and K. Thomas. I decided the center position would have to wait.

My short list at that point included Carmello, JRich, RJ and Maggette. Of the 4 only Maggette made it to my pick.


Maggette would have been my pick anyway. Most of the rankings I've seen ranked him higher than Carmello and RJ as Forwards. I had Richardson on my team last year and he was wonderful, but certainly his production suffered with the arrival of Baron. As far RJ/ Maggette, pretty much a toss up in my mind. But I am a Net fan.

The addition of Cassell and Mobley could certainly impact Corey's numbers, but I think a solid season is in store in any event. 23 ppg, 6 RB's, 4 assists should be within reach, along with better than a steal a game, and solid %'s, particularly from the line which he visits frequently. Throw in G/F eligibility, I'm glad he made it to my pick.



5.01 Jason Terry G Dal

With Centers still on the back burner I focused on PG's. There were quite a few left to choose from. I narrowed it down to Terry, Alston ( who I got with a later pick ) and a couple others.

What made me decide on Terry? Not sure. I know Guru had him the last 2 seasons, with mixed success I would believe, maybe a change of scenery is in order. He seems to be firmly entrenced as the starter and with the departure of Finley should be looked on to score more.

Jason won't rack up the assist like other PG's, but should be able to average 6/game. But he will shoot for higher % than most PG's ( 50.1 FG% last year along with 84.4 FT% ). I'm also hoping for 1.5 steals and hit a couple 3's per game. Avery is also looking for him to be more aggressive offensively, hoping for 15/PPg.




57Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:49
5.02 Andre Iguodala, GF, PHI

Dave takes Magette. We wanted Magette. See 4.11. Is it just me or is going all Twighlight Zone in here now....

*Cue several minutes of swearing and cursing eminating from the bereft countries of Scotland and the Netherlands*

*Back to normality...gradually....*

Boy, we're liking our swingmen this year. Iggy is one of those rare guys that has the skills to contribute across the board. Paired with Iverson, he's a hugely dangerous pickpocket, who could nab upwards of 2 steals a game this year. He's durable. He boards well. He hits some 3s. He blocks a lot of shots for an SG. He does all of this whilst shooting 50% from the field, and 75% from the line. Scoring could be the one weakness here, but even then, wait for a certain member of the Philly frontcourt to go down, and he becomes a primary option. If ever a player was primed to naturally grow into beefier stats, this is it. Andre Iguodala is the Sixers' version of a swiss army knife. And he's with EuroGollum on his quest to slice up anything that gets in his way. We couldn't be happier. Except if we had Maggette ;)
58Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 18:16
5.03 Samuel Dalembert, C, Phi

I may have jumped the gun a bit on Dalembert. As I said in my last rationale, I felt vulnerable without a center that a run of any sorts would leave me sifting through the dregs... I half thought either Dave R or the Euros (or both) might take a center with their previous picks as they were both centerless at this point. Neither did, but I felt I still needed one. Of the guys I was considering (Okur, Magloire, Bogut,...), I thought Dalembert had the biggest chance of exploding this year. With a big new contract, he's the big man now for Philly, and has the potential to average a double-double with a couple blocks a game.

Of course, now this injury he's been suffering through has me more concerned. He has yet to play in preseason and barely practiced - he could very well be due for another slow start this year.

And, seeing that all but one the centers I was considering made it all the way back to me in round 6 also makes me think I may have picked him too early. But I did need the blocks; I'm not too concerned with his poor ft shooting as he doesn't make too many trips to the line for a center, but I'll need to be careful later.

59skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:23
5.04 Grant Hill, SF, ORL

With this pick, I was looking for a solid contributor to go with my first four. I saw a couple weaknesses starting to emerge on my team, and debated going for one of the players that can control a single category like a Korver. The other players I considered here were CWebb and Redd. I would have taken Iggy had he made it two more picks, but the Euros kept with the string of taken athletic players that can help across the board.

Basically, I could not bring myself to take Webber, and started keying in on Hill and Redd. This made it tough. We all know about Hill and his struggle with the ankle. He was an iron-man before the injury, and then lost a quarter of his career to the many surgeries. Last season he only missed 15 games, and some were precautionary. Redd has been fairly durable since coming into the league, but did miss some games last year as well. What this came down to was potential for this season. Redd has achieved the peak level that I think he can and will probably put up the same type numbers this season.

Looking at Grant's career, I start to see the pattern from his time in Detroit where he improved each season. Last season was like a rookie year for him all over again. He had missed most of three seasons, and did not get into game shape into well into the season and his numbers started to rise. His steals and rebounds were up after the all-star break which pointed to him getting the feel for the game. He is going to shoot near 50% from the field and better than 80% from the line and get good rebound and assists from the 3 position. In the end, I was sold on him as the best player left in the draft barring any recurring injuries to the ankle. Here's hoping for the best for a good ballplayer and a really nice guy.
60for Tosh
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      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:28
5.05 - Michael Redd, SG, MIL -

Redd may seem like an odd choice considering the current layout of my team, and I somewhat agree. But that sort of thing happens while you are drafting between sessions at the blackjack table in Vegas. Redd has good production in points and the percentages, but really needs to work on his assists and steals to become an elite guard. He used to average 2+ 3's a couple years ago, but has dropped off recently. Hopefully he'll start shooting the bombs again this season, since it is one of the main reasons I drafted him. He's being paid a lot of money by Milwaukee to be their franchise player. I expect he'll step up this season, and for that reason, I skipped over a couple other players that I seriously considered.
61KnicksFan
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      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 02:17
5.06 Joel Przybilla, C, POR

I might as well take my rationale for Chandler at 4.07 and paste it here, because my thought process behind these picks was similar. Przybilla was a monster once he got the starting job last season. He shoots a high percentage from the field, grabs a lot of rebounds, and blocks shots like he's the lovechild of Manute Bol and Mark Eaton.

The only glaring problem is his putrid FT%, but in April he shot 67%. Also, in the offseason he worked with the coaches to improve his FT shooting form. What's more is that new coach Nate McMillan loves Joel, as do the fans. I figure this season Joel's point production will shoot up because there'll be plays run specifically for him.

Some reports have said that Joel would be fighting Player X for the starting job, but I think that he has pretty much locked it up with his work in training camp and the absence of Player X. Even when Player X returns, his health is a constant issue, and Joel's minutes will stay above 30 per.

Most importantly, now I have a reason to root for The Thrilla Named Przybilla.
62Mike D
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 08:16
5.07 Andre Miller, PG, Den

After barely passing on Michael Redd in my last pick, I hoped he drop to me this round. I was teased as he lasted until only 2 picks before me (thanks Tosh). I went back to the drawing board and considered many options and many different positions here. I felt there was decent drop-off in point guards after Andre Miller. I also felt that Miller would help me in many categories, more than most players left.

Miller is an excellent foul shooter with a good FG % for a point guard. He helps on the boards and is a master thief. He’ll get a lot of assists again with the group he plays with in Denver and seemed to really blossom under George Karl in the latter part of last season. I can now slide Hinrich to SG if I want to.

If I start strongly in assists, I can obviously consider a deal to improve elsewhere. I also have injury security at a key spot. . I don’t see his minutes declining much at all and the Nuggets should be a rising team that puts points on the board. But mostly, I got a guy that helps in many ways including a strong locker room presence. The scrimmages in the Extreme Basketball camp should be fun to watch with Miller, Nash, and Hinrich vying to lead my break.
63for Doug
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 08:34
05.08 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim, F, Sacramento
A PG would have given me one player at each position, so I decided Andre Miller was worth a small reach here to keep my team balanced in that respect. I made him my one-man queue about 8 picks before I was up... he fell... and then went to Mike the pick before me. I guess it happens to everyone at least once per draft. So instead I went back to my spreadsheet to do research, but it took very little time at all, as I had Shareef rated as the BPA by a significant margin.

Not much to say about him really… no significant weaknesses statistically, and since he’s a good transition player I think he’ll blend in just fine with the Kings squad and keep putting in solid performances. The bonus for me is that he shoots 85% FTs… stellar for a F and a real priority for my first post-Shaq pick.
64for hoopsklyce
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 13:12
5.09 Stephen Jackson, G/F, Ind

I obeyed the depth chart and took Stephen Jackson with this pick. My top 3 picks were not much for the three point shot and Jackson can average over two per game.

65Guru
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 13:13
5.10 Carlos Boozer, F, Uth

This really is turning out to be Groundhog Day.

Last year I took Boozer in round 3, which was a bit of a stretch, but I wanted a scoring rebounder, and they were scarce. For the first couple of months, Boozer was one of the studs on my team, putting up 20-10 with decent ratios and a smattering of other stats. But he tailed off in January, then hurt his foot, and the season turned out to be a bust.

This year, I’m taking him in round 5, which I don’t think is a stretch at all. I want the late 2004 version, not the early 2005 version. If I get the right one, he’s good value here. If not, then I’m an idiot for getting burned by a Utah forward for the third consecutive year.

The other contender for this pick was Zach Randolph.
67for Pacers Rule
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:25
5.11 Zach Randolph, PF, POR
With this pick, I really wanted to both round out my roster and improve my %’s, particularly FG%. I looked through what was left, and decided Boozer was my man. Unfortunately, Guru sniped him right out from under me with the previous pick. After taking Iverson right before me in round 1, and after Gasol came off the board 2 picks before me in round 3 (followed by Guru taking big Z), I was feeling pretty disappointed at that point and I think did my share of moaning about it on the discussion thread. When I realized Boozer was not to be mine, I found myself left with Zach who would put up solid point and board numbers and shoot nice %s, both from the field and the line (for a PF).

I know he’s coming off of knee surgery but he has said that he 100%. Others have said that he is not. I’m not sure why I am gravitated toward these injury prone players or players who are coming off a major injury. Perhaps I feel they are undervalued and sliding down in the draft, and seem to be the best player available at the time of my pick. As has been said, you don’t win a league this competitive without a little luck, so I guess I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed that I am going to get enough games played with all these potential studs. For this pick, with Boozer off the board, I felt I had to go with the optimistic view on Zach as no one else left at this point would do as much damage on points and board with his percentages. The Blazers are thin at PF, so Zach should see as many minutes as he can handle. Since he seems to always want to be the man, hopefully he will carry upwards of 40 minutes. I’m hoping as well that he’s grown up a bit too from previous seasons. He’s still young.

For a PF, he’s weak in blocks, but with Camby as my most recent pick, I wasn’t particularly worried about this deficiency. He doesn’t shoot 3's and won’t average a steal a game, and might only have 2 assists a game. Still, for what I was looking for with this pick, he seemed like the obvious (2nd) choice.

I hope he can keep himself out of trouble this season. I wasn’t too comforted to see that McMillan has already thrown him out of practice for loafing. At least he downplayed the incident with the media, and by meeting with the whole team in the locker room for 20 minutes, showed it was more a general frustration with the intensity level in practice than just a problem with Zach. I know they’re trying to create a new culture in Portland, and Nate is going to lay down the law. I think and hope Zach will respond in the right way and it will be good for him personally and for his game.
69lionprideguy @work
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:31
5.12 Chris Paul, PG, NOR

As I had mentioned in the discussion thread, with back to back picks at the end of a round I have a hard time seriously looking at any players until it gets 5-6 picks away, since a 22-man queue is just too difficult. However, the tough part is that I often get really excited about a player or two, get my mind set on them, and they’re never available once my turn comes around. This happened here, as I was looking at my team and thought the best value at this point would be to pick up two solid PFs and feel secure at the F position for quite a few rounds. I had hopes of getting both Boozer and Zach Randolph here as a pair, and was encouraged when they survived 5.06-5.09 and that I might get both, but Guru and PR were thinking the same as me it appears. Once both were off the board, I looked for options to improve my position later for a pick now I didn’t care about as much, hence the trade with Doug - I didn't mind moving down in round 6, and thought I would have better choices earlier in round 7 than later.

With the Forwards gone, I completely changed course and took Paul at PG to pair with Kidd. He’s an unproven rookie, but I figure that he is the new face of the franchise in New Orleans and will have the ball all the time at least. His assist to turnover ratio has been good in the preseason, so he’s looking okay at handling an NBA offense and getting assists even with a weak supporting cast. He’s one of the few players left on the board who could be the #1 option for their team. Also, rookies generally get drafted too late anyway – looking back the last few years, most of the top rookies would have gone much higher in the draft had it been held post-season, knowing their stat lines, than they were beforehand. That's only if they actually pan out of course, but after a few seasons of college Paul has a better chance at that than a HS player. He’s not a sure thing, but he’s more experienced and mature than most rookies the last few years, and at least he’ll get every chance to succeed.
70Doug
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 19:14
06.01 – Damon Stoudamire, G, Memphis

I wanted another good FT% player here to compensate for my Shaq pick. The BPA on my list was Korver (similar to Shareef in that his 85% FTs is stellar for a F), but I certainly didn’t need a 4th forward as much as I needed my 2nd guard… particulary a PG. And no remaining PG matches Mighty Mouse’s combination of assists, accuracy from the line (90% FT!), and 3s… so the positional scarcity of PG bumped him ahead of Korver for my squad.

The only concern here is playing time… Damon now shares a backcourt with 3 other as-yet-undrafted players in Memphis, but I think he’ll be good for 30+ mins. per night regardless. It wouldn’t surprise me to see 3 of those 4 players on the floor simultaneously for stretches as well. RotoWire says Stoudamire is reportedly a long-time favorite of GM Jerry West… and they also have him rated as #42 overall in their preseason “cheatsheet” (and in the mid-30s when I use their RotoRankings tool), so I think his playing status and minutres are fairly secure. I also checked ESPN the other day and Stoudamire’s average draft position was 62. So putting all that together, he started to seem like less and less of a reach… and on the heels of having Andre Miller taken the pick before me in round 5, I was motivated to move up from #65 overall to #61 overall to make sure that I got the player that my squad needed… better safe than sorry, right?
71for Pacers Rule
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 20:39
6.02 Wally Szczerbiak, SF, MIN
Here again, I wanted to work on percentages with this pick, as I felt that I kind of ignored them (esp. FG%) with my first 4 picks. For a shooter who cans 1.5 3's a game, he’s got stellar % numbers (hoping for 51% FG, 87% FT). With several key scorers gone from Minny, Wally becomes the #2 option and should see plenty of open looks with KG dishing out of double teams in the post. Wally could score upwards of 20 ppg this year. He’s too slow and unathletic to do much in blocks or steals, and his rebound numbers reflect the fact that he plays the perimeter. He should be good for 2.5 assists so he’s kind of a 4 to 5 category contributor. However, given my deficiencies in FG%, I felt he was a good fit for my team.

Perhaps he was a bit of a reach at this pick, but with having to wait 20 picks to see if he’d come back to me, I felt like I couldn’t chance it since I was so worried about team shooting. I had him last year and he exceeded expectations. I’m hoping he can do it again, or at least meet them. Of course, he should be injured or have an injury history if he’s going to be on my team, and he meets both criteria, so that was another great fit!
72Guru
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 20:41
6.03 Kyle Korver, F, Phi

There were a lot of players I thought about for this pick, including Josh Howard, Josh Smith, Kyle Korver, Ben Gordon, and Tayshaun Prince. All have a good story. All have the potential to perform at a level much higher than a 6th round pick. So I declined when lionprideguy offered the opportunity to swap 5th and 6th round picks, since I thought there were plenty of acceptable options after the turn, but I wasn’t sure that Boozer would make it through 2 more picks (and I was apparently right about that!).

In the final analysis, I narrowed the choice to Howard vs. Korver (though I can’t really say why). Korver’s value is primarily his 3-pt shooting, although his steals and FT% are better than average. Howard offers better statistical breadth, and although there are plenty of players in Dallas to compete for minutes, the analysis that I’ve seen suggests that Howard will get more PT than last year, especially with the departure of [an as yet undrafted player].

Time to decide. I’ll take Korver. I think the 3 point value is too strong to pass up. Even though I already have Iverson and Billups, history suggests that I’ll need 800+ treys just to get above the median, and even with Korver in the fold, I’m only a little more than halfway there.
73hoopsklyce
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      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 22:26
6.04 Mehmet Okur,C, Utah

I was feeling the pressure to take the center position but Okur was also near the top of my depth chart. I have read that Okur showed up to camp in good shape this year as a result of playing for his national team. I also like the FT% contributions he can make from the C position a spot that can often be poor in FT%. I like having a team with a strength in FT%.

74for lionprideguy
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 08:41
6.05 Tayshaun Prince, SF, Det

This is definitely where the draft options started to be much more wide open for me and things get a little less well-defined. I could start making cases for all kinds of players at this spot and considered 2-3 times as many names as I had in the past. Those included Webber, Josh Smith, and Rafer Alston. The two that I really thought about were Josh Howard and Stromile Swift. Howard seems to be stepping up his numbers again this year in Dallas and continuing to grow in multiple categories. He should get more playing time this year with changes in the team's roster, and his solid defense will keep him on the court. I also really liked Stromile Swift, and came very close to drafting him here. We've all been waiting for him to get a starting spot and consistant minutes with a team where his numbers can break out. Going from 21 mpg to 35 or so in Houston (hopefully), he can become among the league leaders in blocks, as well as getting good rebounding numbers. I can see him running the floor with Alston and McGrady, getting all kinds of all-oop and putback dunks, floating on defense with Yao behind him to get all kinds of help-side blocks, shooting a high FG%, and as a bonus he even qualifies as a center.

So why didn't I draft Swift? Almost for exactly that reason, because I wanted to so much! The last two years in these RIHC drafts, I had done okay in the early and late rounds, but had just horrible mid-round draft picks. I look back and think that my mid-round draft picks the last few years included Darius Miles in the 7th for the year he was in Cleveland, Al Harrington in the 5th last year, and so on. Each time I got excited about potential and went with best-case projections on their numbers, and got myself killed in the middle rounds.

So for once, I thought I'd go with a safe, conservative pick, even if I wasn't excited about it. With Prince, you know he's going to do okay across the board - not great, but not bad either. He'll play 40 minutes per game even if he's having an off game, because of his defense. And maybe with Flip in town instead of Larry Brown, he can increase his scoring with a bit more open offense. He's still very young and getting better each year, and almost never misses a game. So I know what I'm getting - nothing overly exciting, no highlight-reel dunks or blocks or any games with 40 points, but just a solid contributor. Plenty of time to make crazy picks later.

75Mike D
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 08:43
6.06 Chris Webber, F, Phi

I typically stay away from players with injury histories like Webber has. However, I needed a forward and felt this was the right spot to take a chance on someone with so much upside. His career stats speak for themselves. He has improved his FT shooting, which used to be a huge downfall of his, and he hit a career best 79.4% last season. His FG % was lower than I like, and has been down in recent years as Webber shoots more jumpers than in the past. But all indications are that he will get the ball in post positions where he will dish and be able to shoot his turnarounds regularly. Just getting the ball where he wants it this season under Cheeks should help his FG %.

Webber still has an all-around game IF, I repeat IF, he can stay healthy. He recently told president/general manager Billy King the daily walking-around ache in his left knee was gone nearly 2 years after major surgery. He has what has been termed a “glacial-sized chip” on his shoulder and plans to atone for the disappointing time in Philly last year (which amazingly wasn’t that bad). Here’s hoping this future hall of famer can be a vital cog in the Sixers’ playoff run this year while also stabilizing this middle of the Extreme Basketball lineup.
76KnicksFan
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 10:16
6.07 Luke Ridnour, PG, SEA

It's round 6 and I still don't have a point guard, so I needed to address that position. All of the good proven PGs were long gone, so I needed to base this pick on an expected bump in production. As an aside, it's troubling that all of my picks after round 3 have been guys with very little past production but high expectations for this season; I see this either putting me in great shape or last place.

I was thinking about taking Stoudamire because of his 3 point shooting, but he went a few picks earlier. The choice came down to Luke Ridnour, player Y (who I didn't choose because of injury concerns), and Sebastian Telfair who I was able to nab in round 8. I chose Luke. He's not a very exciting point guard, but he is a solid passer, averaging 6 assists per game in only 31 minutes last season. This year one of his backcout mates is gone, so Luke should see his minutes approach 40 per game and see his stats rise accordingly. Luke shoots FTs at a great percentage, but unfortunately doesn't get to the line much. His FG% is lousy, but perhaps he'll have greater confidence in his offense this year after a good postseason and no worries about losing his starting job. He only made .8 3PTers per game last season, but once again if he shoots more this year (which he will), that number should bump up too. I think a reasonable expectation for Luke in 05-06 is 14 points, 8 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 1.5 steals, and 1 3PTer. If he hits those benchmarks, he'll be a steal in the 6th round.
77Tosh
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 11:18
6.08 - Stromile Swift, FC, HOU -

It’s taken five years, but Stromile Swift finally has a new home, a starting role, and regular playing time. A PF with center-eligibility, Swift had nice per-minute averages last year, but only played 21 minutes per game with Memphis. I’m expecting 30-31 minutes, and he should provide significant contributions in rebounds and blocks. With defenses focusing on T-Mac and Yao, Swift should also add 14-15 points per night.
78skinneej
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 12:10
6.09 Josh Howard, GF, DAL

I had Josh on the radar since the previous pick and hoped he would make it back to me. I considered a couple other players namely Jamison, Marshall and Crawford. I didn’t think Howard would make the turn through DaveR, the Euros and Yokel so I took him and figured I’d take whichever player made it back to me of the others. Josh is expected to be the starting sf in Dallas, and can contribute in several cats.

He should improve on most of his numbers from last season, although with Dallas having a deep bench he will have several other players trying to steal time from him. I expect that he will be inconsistent at times and may lose playing time in some games, but Avery seems to like him and I’ll take my chances. He needs to improve his FT shooting which is the only weakness I can find for a sf. Good steals and rebounds at the 3 and will hit a few treys as well. Assist numbers could be better, but hopefully more PT will take care of that.



79Slackjawed Yokel
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 13:18
6.10 Andrew Bogut, C, Mil

I felt I needed to take somewhat of a risk here - you don't win these leagues without taking someone who really exceeds expectations. Bogut has the ability to come in and make an immediate impact. I checked last year's draft, and I chose Okafor with the same pick last year (6.10 is now the designated rookie of the year slot in all RIHC drafts).

And once again the two squads picking before my next turn still didn't have a center, so I wanted to make sure I locked Bogut up here. Unfortunatley, that meant I couldn't get Josh Smith who was my second choice as he went with the very next pick. Usually, it should be to one's advantage to pick in the 2nd or third slot from one of the ends as you can base your sequencing of picks on what you expect the teams after you to do. but it sure ain't working for me this year...

80Swish City
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:21
6.11 Josh Smith, GF, ATL

Another Atlanta swingman. Sheesh. But you have to take 'em when they're there, right? Josh is an exceptional one, in that he can challenge the league leaders in blocks. That kind of contribution from the SF slot is invaluable. This was actually a torturous choice between Josh and Magloire. The decision was made so much tougher by the fact we don't have a C yet (eek!), and although Magloire should be really good this year, it's possible Josh could block twice as many shots. Having taken a look at the draft grid, it was evident we were in danger of being cast adrift in blocks, and it was vital to get a foothold here. So we took the last major shotblocker left with regular PT, as we knew there'd be no chance Dave would pass on him. At the time, he was in the same C/blocks banana boat as we were.

Passing on Magloire was our most difficult decision thus far, but i guess it ultimately comes down to how much you value the C position. Evidently we don't value it enough to sacrifice raw stats in such a tough category to fill. At least not at this stage. This drafting-at-the-end-of-rounds thing can be a somewhat bittersweet experience.
81Dave R
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:29
6.12 Rafer Alston G Hou

I already had one point guard in fold but that's not nearly enough. After looking over the available players left I felt Alston would bring some things to my team that at this juncture I needed.

Alston had a wonderful season on the court in Toronto and not so wonderful off the court as evidenced by his clashes with management and subsequent trade to Houston. 14.2 ppg, 6.4 assists and 1.4 steals/game and 139 3's bettered his stats as a first year starter in Miami the year before.

On to Houston. If all goes well with Van Gundy, I think Alston will prosper. With Yao and Tmac as primary offensive options, Rafer might suffer a drop in points, but on the other hand his assists and 3's could increase. Lightning quick, he is always a threat for steals.



7.01 Jamaal Magloire C NO

I really needed to finally draft a center at this point. I had hoped all along that Magloire would be available thankfully he was.

Jamaal only played in 23 games last year, but prior to that season had been remarkably durable, playing in 82 games each of his first three season. In his third full season, he was an all-star and one of the better young centers in the game, averaging 13.6ppg, 10.3 RB's and 1.2 blocks, with very solid &'s.

The Hornets don't have alot of weapons so Jamaal should a focal point of the offense, and just maybe better his stats of two years ago. And don't think snaring him from the Euro's wasn't enjoyable :)

Hopefully last years injury is behind him and he will stay on the court this year. I expect so.
82Doug
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:41
Very solid "&'s"? That's the strangest looking percentage sign I've ever seen. =-p
83Swish City
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:43
7.02 Donyell Marshall, F, CLE

So, Dave scooped Magloire. No surprises there. We talked about Donyell a lot when discussing the previous pick. He is a player we were pretty sure would come back after Dave's intermediary picks. We tried lots of different names here, including quite a few that we still had ranked higher (not by much), but in the end, Marshall's name kept reappearing as the best player available.

Let's look at this objectively. Last year, we selected Donyell in round 4. Although he was by no means a bust, his PT was spotty at best stuck behind Bosh, and his numbers suffered. This year, he's on a better team: of that there is no doubt. There'll be times where he'll spell all 3 frontcourt spots. Defenses will be keying in on LeBron, Hughes and Z, leaving Marshall a ton of those wide open 3 point looks that he lives on. Considering we're in round 7 now, last years's stats would be just fine. But a frontcourt trade in Cleveland puts Donyell in line for top 20-esque numbers. We'll take that at #74.
84Slackjawed Yokel
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 19:34
7.03 Jamal Crawford, SG, Chi

Crawford had been one of the top rated players available for a while. Maybe my concern was also shared with the other managers as that might explain his drop: how will he mesh with Larry Brown? Best case, maybe Brown will help instill some discipline in Crawford so that he no longer shoots in the 40% range, or worst case is he loses minutes because of his poor shot selection. Anyway, I thought this was a good time to pick another guy who can help in a number of categories - scoring, steals,3's, assists, and ft%.

89skinneej
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 21:17
7.04 Antawn Jamison, SF, WAS

This was a really tough pick. With my last pick I only struggled for a few minutes to decide. In the end, I figured whichever player made it back to me I would take. I changed my mind about 5 times the direction I wanted to go here. I had originally planned to take Jamison if he made it back to me. Then I decided I’d go for more assist and Tinsley came to the front. I was worried about his health though since he hasn’t played more than 73 games the last 3 years.

Next, I turned to Kenyon Martin. He’d help me in one area where I was a little below average, but he shoots poorly from the line which I would like to keep my team average around 80%. I also looked hard at Jamal Crawford and Bobby Simmons. After some considerable time, I decided Crawford won out because he helps in a couple more categories where I am weaker, namely assists and 3s. Finally, I had made a decision. Doh!! Yokel snatched him right in front of me, so back to square one.

Well, as they say, first impressions sometimes are the best. Although K-mart or Simmons would both fit here, I stayed with the more balanced approach and decided to go with Jamison. He will score around 20 per game, and help slightly in 3s and rebs. He will only cause a slight hit in fg% and is a little below average in the other cats. At this stage of the game I am looking for the player that will help without hurting much. There is time to go after the specialists.
90Tosh
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      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 21:22
7.05 – Darius Miles, FG, POR -

Miles is being drafted for his ability to contribute in two tough categories – steals and blocks. Like Stromile Swift, who I drafted in round 6, Miles is getting his first chance at a full-time starting role. He’s young, athletic, has good springs, and shoots a good FG%. I’m sure he won’t contribute 47 points, 12 rebounds, 5 blocks and 4 steals like he did in one game last April, but 15-16 pts., 6 rebs., and 1.5 blocks and steals is well within reach.
91KnicksFan
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 04:34
7.06 Caron Butler, SF, WAS

I was trying to decide between Butler, Rip Hamilton, and Cuttino Mobley here. Cuttino would've been a great boost in 3s, and Hamilton would've helped me in assists. Even though those are categories where I was weak, I really didn't need another shooting guard after taking TMac and Hughes earlier. I felt like my weakest positions were PG and SF. None of the point guards stood out at this point, so I looked to the 3.

Caron Butler was phenominal at the end of last season, and he's stepping into a high scoring offense this year as one of the primary weapons. Caron won't help me in assists or threes, but he will score a lot, shoots great from the line and pretty good from the field, will solidify my position in steals, and can probably pull down about 6 rebounds a game.

There are other needs my team needed filled, but Caron was one of those "too good to pass up" players.
92Mike D
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 07:34
7.07 Cuttino Mobley, SG, LAC

The Clippers should be a fun team to watch this season. If they have their normal amount of injuries, it opens up more shots for Mobley. If they don’t, he still should have the normal Mobley line with means 3s, points, steals, and a high FT %. My team needs what he brings at this point, so he is a welcome addition.

I also think Mobley will feel more comfortable with his new teammates than he felt all of last season bouncing between Orlando and Sacramento. He still loves to run, and is deceptively young at age 30. It seems like he’s been around much longer. He’s the only true 3 point shooter in Clipperland, and should have opportunities playing with an unselfish Brand in the low post.

93for lionprideguy
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:05
7.08 Eddy Curry, C, NYK

Time to take another chance - for all his troubles the last few years, Eddy Curry is actually pretty talented. His heart is a concern of course, but he's been checked out and cleared with no restrictions multiple times now. He's only 22, and is (obviously) still maturing, but that's about the age that things really start to break out for many players straight from high school. This pick is made somewhat on the hope and faith of Larry Brown instilling some discipline and work ethic into Curry, which certainly isn't a sure thing. But Curry sounds rather offended at Chicago's trade of him, and I think will be looking to prove some people wrong. He does already have his contract, but the good side of that is that with the money they're paying him, New York is going to be playing him more than the 29 mpg he had in Chicago the last two years. The Knicks are also so thin up front that there's not as much risk of him being benched, he's going to have to play more minutes. Last year he was being taken in the 4-5 rounds and he didn't really have that bad a season, just not the breakout people hoped for and risk/reward for that is better this late. Curry is very talented offensively, shoots a great FG%, and although he's a terrible rebounder for a center, the increase in minutes - plus the large amount of bricks that NY's guards are going to throw up - should raise that at least a little.

Earlier in the draft I had kind of thought I could get a PG like Alston or Ridnour in this round, but they were taken much earlier before the pick got back to me, even despite trading up at least a few spots to get off the end of the round. As it approached I had also hoped Jamison would fall, but no luck. The other player I considered was Troy Murphy but thought he might make it back to me after the turn.

94for hoopsklyce
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:06
7.09 Richard Hamilton, G, Det

I better start taking notes when I make the pick because I am forgetting why I took my players now. As I recall Hamilton was at the top of the depth chart but I was still considering another player of whom I forget now - I think...Well reason for not taking Hamilton include the fact I had him last year and since he does not give much in steals and treys for a guard. What I like about him though, and a likely driving force at the time, was his progress in the assist categories. I also notice that his scoring dropped dramatically when Larry Brown arrived two years ago and now I am hoping it goes back up.

I recall now that Tony Parker was the other candidate. However I figured Hamilton would nearly match his assists and perhaps Parker's playing time would be less than expected because of the generally deep SA roster. I felt Parker really slipped in this draft.

95Guru
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:09
7.10 Josh Childress, G/F, Atl

If I’d have known that Ben Gordon would survive to this pick, I probably wouldn’t have taken Korver last round, perhaps taking Josh Howard instead. Oh well.

At this stage of the draft, I can either go after proven players whose production is not likely to offer significant upside or downside, or I can go after a player with some risk. It seems to me that the former strategy is a good way to earn a middle-of-the-pack finish, while the teams that take risks are those who contend – or fall flat.

The “solid citizen” options on my short list are Troy Murphy, P.J. Brown, and Udonis Haslem. Those with more upside are Ben Gordon and Josh Childress.

I’m going with Childress primarily because I think he has a better statistical spread. After the All Star break last season, he averaged 38 minutes, 14.5 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists, and 1.2 steals, while shooting 48.6% from the floor and 85% from the line. He also benefits from dual G/F eligibility. At age 22 in only his second season, I’m hoping he can build from there.
96Doug
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:48
07.11 – Troy Murphy, F, Golden State

I really like this kid heading into his 5th season. The obvious contribution is boards. I’m hoping his percentages improve a bit too… he can hit the 3, but I would prefer him to work on the post and keep that FG% up (44% and 45% in two seasons prior to falling off to 41% last year). That seems likely with Baron, J-Rich, and Dunleavy as more natural perimeter threats… and more time spent down low should feed his appetite for boards (and easy put-backs) and hopefully get him to the charity stripe, where he’s a career 78% shooter despite hitting only 73% last year.

Injury-wise, he missed 10 games last year with a hairline fracture in his thumb (plus one for personal reasons and one for a knee). The year before he missed 60 games due to foot/ankle issues. But before you say “uh-oh”, remember that he put up 79 and 82 game the two seasons before that.

And here’s the kicker… it’s quite possible he could gain C-eligibility this season. That would enhance my roster flexibility and his trade value. But even as a PF, his numbers are a great addition to my squad… enough so that I felt it was worth giving up a little something to make sure I got him (the trade with Pacers). The more I think about it, the more I like this pick.
100Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 21:56
7.12 Jalen Rose, GF, TOR
I traded picks with Doug here to let him pick in front of me (he had LPG’s #12 pick this round and #1 pick next round) and of course I was mortified he would take the player that I felt was overlooked to this point. I felt there were decent alternatives if he did take him, but none as strong. Fortunately for me, he chose Murphy, though in retrospect I should have given him more consideration here as it looks like he’s poised for a very strong year. Nice pick, Doug.

Since Jalen was spared, I snatched him right up. He’s one of those unsexy picks without ridiculous upside. However, we are in the middle of the draft here, and with all the risk I have been taking on in my team, the security of his consistent production was a welcome sight.

Toronto is very thin this year (as always) and Jalen is ‘the man’ on the perimeter. Bosh should be a stud in the post, and that should only make it easier for Rose to work. Jalen is going to see tons of clock and should post decent numbers across the board. He could push 20 ppg and nail 1.5 threes for me. His %s are decent and he may see some extra assists this year depending on if he plays some point-forward as is rumored. I know he relishes that role. He’s not great at rebounding, steals, or blocks, but at this point in the draft, you can’t have it all.
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