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Subject: RIHC Season #2 - 2004/05
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Apr 26, 2004, 10:47
Here is the current situation regarding next year's RIHC membership.
We will continue with 12 teams. The top 6 finishers in this year's league get an automatic berth. Those are Dave R, Doug, Swish/Edgar, Rand, HoopsKlyce, and blackjackis21. I have extended a special "Commissioner's invitation" to Coldwater Coyotes, based on his strong stretch drive. I am inviting the winners of the two official qualifying leagues: Mike D and Slackjawed Yokel. While SY is already a member of the RIBC, I believe that duplicate membership is OK if you earn your way in by winning a qualifying league. I am also extending an invitation to APerfect10 for his win in the Gurupie20 League. And, of course, I am returning.
So, the list so far is:
Dave R
Doug
Swish/Edgar
Rand
HoopsKlyce
blackjackis21
Coldwater Coyotes
Mike D
Slackjawed Yokel
APerfect10
Guru
That makes eleven spots. Unfortunately, I haven't come up with a solid method to fill the last opening. The 2nd and 3rd place finishers in each of the qualifying leagues are already in the RIBC, so I don't think I should offer any of them an "at large" berth, at least now.
So, rather than making a decision now, I'm going to hold that last slot open until the fall.
If any of the eleven of you listed above decide not to participate next year, please let me know.
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| 54 | Doug
Sustainer
ID: 2730280
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:08
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By my count I get the following... I'm not certain whether Swish/Edgar get 1 vote or two, so I put their second vote in parens...
1A - 3 (+1?)
1B - 5
2A - 1
2B - 7 (+1?)
Still to vote: Guru, APerfect10, HoopsKlyce
Looks like we're moving to an 84 game limit (2B) regardless of those final 3 votes, though question #1 remains in the balance.
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| 56 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:28
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Thought I was up, have deleted my post after realizing I'm only on deck. This lack of evening access has me befuddled.
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| 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:30
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Doug, you still need to sign up for the draft at kafenatid.net. Everyone else has done so. I sent you the particulars last week. Let me know if you need them again.
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| 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:35
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Swish & Edgar get only one vote.
Currently the vote tallies are:
1. A-3, B-6
2. A-1, B-8
We'll be using an 84 game limit. The position issue is still up in the air. I have yet to vote, but I'd like to hear first from AP10 and HoopsKlyce.
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| 59 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:38
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Hey Mike D, I thought you were befuddled to begin with :)
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 08:54
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Regarding draft timing.
1. When should we start? Last month, I said that we would not start before Oct 11th. Do you want to begin then, or should we wait?
Based on past Invitational leagues, we should be able to complete an average of about one round per day, maybe slightly better. With 15 rounds to draft, we shouldn't require more than 2 weeks, as long as everyone is diligent. The regular season starts 3 weeks from next Tuesday.
I doubt that we will learn much between the beginning and end of next week, but if you need more time to prepare, I'd be willing to wait until later in the week to begin. Or should we simply get started on Monday. Any requests?
Also, we need to establish some time limits. The draft software allows me to set a time limit per pick, with the possibility of a night time moratorium (i.e., the clock is suspended during the moratorium, but picks may still be made). To start, I propose we set an 8 hour time limit, with a moratorium from midnight-7am eastern time.
I realize that we span 3 time zones in the US, and we also have a European team which is 5 hours ahead of us, so the moratorium timing is not sensible for everyone. However, with an 8 hour limit, as long as people check at the end of their day or first thing in the morning, no one should be in trouble. Also, the software allows you to submit a queue to me or to anyone else in the league. If you make use of that feature (selecting someone to pick for you who is not positioned to take advantage of your queue), we can keep it moving along as well.
Sound like a plan? If we don't average a round per day, I'll have to shorten the time frames, of course.
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| 61 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 09:15
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Totally flexible on it Guru. Haven't researched or prepared much yet, but oftentimes my first draft forces that, and sometimes it is concurrent with the draft itself. Whenever we start, most of us will be in the same boat, I would think.
Oh, and bullseye Dave.
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| 62 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 09:16
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Either is fine with me, I can't imagine that waiting will have much if any impact on the first few rounds at least.
If you wanted to start the draft as planned on Monday but not impose a time limit until later that might work also. I would guess the first few rounds would move along smoothly anyway
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| 63 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 09:19
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I'm sure that the first few rounds are unlikely to be influenced by any preseason results, other than injuries.
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| 64 | Rand
Donor
ID: 083231216
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 09:34
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I'll take 7.
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| 65 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 09:58
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I'll take # 8.
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| 66 | APerfect10
ID: 369168
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:01
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1. b
2. a
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| 67 | Edgar
Leader
ID: 00458944
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:33
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Mike D, we were expecting a trade proposal from you already! Or do you need some start up time? (ie like a coffee in the mourning).
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| 68 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:41
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I had an offer drawn up to offer you my # 8 draft choice, in exchange for your # 9, but felt it wasn't in my best interest. I figured by now you were regretting your # 9 selection, and wishing you had chosen # 8, making you a prime trading partner. ;)
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| 69 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:43
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I'll pick #11.
AP10, you can pick either 10th or 12th, and HoopsKlyce gets whatever is left over.
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| 70 | Edgar
Leader
ID: 00458944
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:47
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Mike, Swish and me figured that KG will drop to 9th. So please do not take him at no. 8. Else we will probably still be in time to land Boumtje Boumtje in 9th. That would outsmart Guru who would have probably expected to land Ruben BB at no. 11.
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| 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:47
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BTW, we now have a 3-7 vote for question #1, so we will use the following position configuration:
PG, SG, G, G
PF, SF, F, F
C, C
U, U
3 bench
2 DL
Each position will be limited to 84 games per slot. Therefore, each of the PG, PF, SG, and SF slots will have an 84 game limit. Each of the other positions will have an aggregate limit of 168 games for the 2 combined slots at those positions.
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| 72 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:52
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For purposes of the draft software, we'll simply specify G, F, or C. You can work out the specific position issues once the rosters are loaded into Yahoo. If a player is listed at more than one position (such as FC), simply pick the one that you think you will be most likely to use.
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| 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 10:53
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[actually, I was expecting Ruben B-B to slide until my second round pick at #14]
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| 74 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 11:18
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I had heard that these leagues were high-level, and to prepare that way. ;)
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| 75 | APerfect10
ID: 369168
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 11:43
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I'll pick 10th...
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| 76 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 12:33
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Here is our draft order. Even numbered rounds go in reverse.
1 Coldwater Coyotes
2 Doug
3 Slackjawed Yokel
4 Dave R
5 blackjackis21
6 RSF
7 Rand
8 Mike D
9 Swish/Edgar
10 APerfect10
11 Guru
12 HoopsKlyce
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| 77 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 13:25
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Edgar, quit giving away our strategy! How many times have i told you? Now everyone knows about our main man RBB ;)
Monday still sounds good to me, we should be able to skate through a few rounds at least without any preseason numbers. Don't mind though, whatever the bretheren decide is fine with me.
On the draft clock, 8 hours sounds fine to me. The moratorium Guru suggests expires at 12:00 for me and 13:00 (if i have my zones right) for Edgar which gives us some time in the morning to compensate for say a bunch of picks being made whilst we're asleep. Edgar, i assume this is fair enough with you also?
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| 78 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 14:15
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1 A
2 B
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| 79 | blackjackis21
Leader
ID: 034837521
Wed, Oct 06, 2004, 14:18
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I believe there was only one of us who actually ended the season last year with RBB on his roster - too bad this isn't a keeper league.
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| 80 | Eugene
ID: 48792812
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 00:27
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Guru i need to e mail you Whats your address
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| 81 | Edgar
ID: 1792634
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 03:52
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Swish the draft thing is fine with me. No problem there.
BJ as I remember the pick of RRB proved to be an excellent strategy with Ruben completely exploding in the last game!
BTW the email of guru is: davehall@rotoguru2.com
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| 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 14:50
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Here's the plan.
I will activate the draft software late Sunday or early Monday. The draft can begin as soon as it's activated, and I will post a notice here.
The first round of the draft will not be timed. This will ensure that everyone is fully equipped and on board before we start the clock for round two. After that, the guidelines I posted above [post 60] will apply.
Once the draft begins, I'll start a new thread for draft messages. You can use it to alert others about your schedule, to request volunteers to accept a queue, to raise questions about draft rules or mechanics, to announce trades, etc. Please refrain from mentioning the names of any NBA players until after they have been picked.
I will post a link in the draft thread which brings up a draft summary page. League managers will also be able to see this info directly at the kafenatid.net site, but it will allow outsiders to view the draft in progress as well. Here is a sample link from the RIFC (football) draft.
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| 83 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 16:39
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Sounds good by me.
Let the fun begin!
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| 84 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 17:15
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Look at Dave R, he's just pumped about getting his hands on RBB. Get used to it BJ, we picked beside him last year and i think he pinched the player we wanted every 2nd round. So i would say your chances of nabbing RBB in round 1 are pretty much gone ;) OT: Could RBB not have a stellar wrestling career with initials like that?
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| 85 | blackjackis21
Leader
ID: 34837521
Thu, Oct 07, 2004, 19:52
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At least I get the pleasure of taking Uwe Blob right from under his nose in the second...
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| 86 | Doug
ID: 422281412
Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 12:47
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I'd like to move up a few picks in the second round from 2.11 in exchange for moving down a few picks in the third from 3.2 (i.e., swap our second and third round picks). Let me know if you'd be interested in a swap. I might even be willing to add a swap for you in an odd numbered round later on in the draft, but it really depends on the specific draft slot you have.
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| 87 | hoopsklyce
ID: 579471010
Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 12:48
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Regarding the time limit for picks, 8 hours seems kind of tight for me. I would prefer 10 hours as a min or 12 as I think we used last year. It is my preference to not have to email my picks to a competing manager if I anticipate being asleep or away when my pick comes up. What I might do is email to a friend of mine who I know will be available.
If the league does decide on 8 hours I would ask that as the manager who always has two consecutive picks, to have 8 hours for the first pick and then 4 hours for the second before it moves on. I am more vulnerable to that rule for moving on.
David
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| 88 | hoopsklyce
ID: 579471010
Sun, Oct 10, 2004, 12:49
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I just re-read that Guru indicated a moratorium from midnight-7 am. I can live with the 8 hr rule then with that!
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| 89 | hoopsklyce
ID: 45940114
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 06:40
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anybody know where to find preseason game box scores?
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| 90 | Edgar
Leader
ID: 00458944
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 07:53
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ESPN has them available.
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| 91 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 10:37
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Unfortunately, when I activated the draft software this morning, it went haywire. I had set it up for no time limit for the initial round, but as soon as I started it, picks became "due" immidiately, and the software failed to even stop at the end of 15 rounds. By the time I was able to figure out what was happening and how to stop it, 368 rounds had passed, and unfortunately, you now have 368 email alerts to access and delete.
Sorry about that. I don't think I set up anything improperly. Sounds like a system bug. KKB added a few timing features since the last time I used it, and evidently, something was not fully debugged, and it went on a rampage.
I'm confident he'll get it fixed and we can still use the software, which many of us have used successfully before. Meanwhile, we are officially on pause.
I just wanted you to know that, once you've cleared out 368 emails from kafenatid.net, they should stop coming!
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| 92 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 10:38
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Wow, I can't wait to get home and see those!
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| 93 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 10:41
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Both ESPN and NBA.com generally carry preseason boxscores. However, there will most likely be some games that are AWOL, particularly those played at non-NBA venues.
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| 94 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 10:44
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re: the emails
If you have a web-based program to access your email, I'd suggest you use it to flush them. Perhaps you can avoid downloading 368 emails that way.
If not, at least they are all short emails!
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| 95 | Doug
ID: 57352917
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 13:19
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Re: post #86... I've heard no response... I suppose it's worth mentioning that I could even consider swapping first round picks (I have #2) in the right scenario...
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| 96 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 13:29
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Should I be making the first pick?
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| 97 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 13:35
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guru
I guess you can ignore that email i just sent saying wassup? Now I see why I had so many emails
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| 98 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 13:53
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I just got an email from KKB that he has found the problem and should have it fixed shortly. At that point, I will restart the draft - for round 1, hopefully!
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| 99 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 14:48
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Doug, I came very close to making an offer in line with your initial post (86). I have #8 (and thus 17, 32, etc). Ultimately it didn't seem like it was too worth it for me, so I backed off.
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| 100 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 15:09
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any thoughts on letting me have 8 hrs for my first pick and then 4 for the second before moving on during the draft - I will always pick back to back.
David
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| 101 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 15:11
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note that I would plan on making both picks at the same time - I would anticipate that I would always be within 8 hrs but want to hvae some safety against having two picks bypassed
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| 102 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 15:16
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I thought you said that wasn't necessary [post 88], given the overnight moratorium. I don't see why extra time should be needed? The purpose of the time limit is to give you a chance to recognize that it is your turn, not to give you 8 hours to think about each pick.
Having said that, since I'm the one who picks after you, I'll try to make sure that you have ample chance to get your picks in before I jump the gun. From my past dealings with you, I suspect this would never become an issue anyway. You always seem to be reasonably alert.
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| 103 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 15:18
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Let's put further draft discussion in the draft thread, so that we don't end up with separate conversations going in 2 different threads.
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| 104 | blackjackis21
Leader
ID: 034837521
Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 15:20
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It doesn't matter to me how long we have between picks (assuming we can finish the draft, of course) as long as we have some idea of when people aren't going to be avail. for extended periods of time. Just to avoid checking in unnecessarily.
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