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0 Subject: RIHC Draft Rationales 2004/05 - Rounds 11-15

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 08:49

Just to keep the rationale threads to a digestable size (for those stuck with dial-up speed), we'll segment the draft rationales in 5 round batches. This thread will be for rounds 11-15.


Rationales for rounds 1-5

Rationales for rounds 6-10

1Coldwater Coyotes
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 08:50
11.01 Damon Jones, G, MIA

There is a possibilty that Damon Jones will be moved to PG with Wade moving to SG. This is a very tempting scenario. Even if Jones only backs up Wade and Eddie Jones he will still be very good for assists and 3pts... both categories where I need help. Downside is that he will score few FGs but I feel very comfortable with this category.
2Doug
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 08:51
11.02 Chris Kaman, C, LAC

OK, at this point I was just looking for a second center. I was kinda hoping Raef would fall through to give me a few extra 3s from the C spot. Oh well. I didn't expect many more Cs to be selected before my next pick... and I'm sort of second guessing that maybe I should have taken Deng. Hmm. On the other hand, I've taken a few gambles in recent picks, and so I think it was time to just play it safe and not push my luck on getting the second center that I wanted.

Kaman is a lock for the starting job and as such is bound to put up around 10 points and 8 boards by his mere presence on the court. The blocks are always nice to have, but the main thing I needed with my second C at this point is just to stay healthy and be reliable. Kaman started 82 games last year, so I think that's a pretty realistic expectation, and one that's traditionally tough to find at the C-spot, so I think this was the right pick for my team and I had my eye on him as a late-round C for some time.

3Slackjawed Yokel
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 20:41
11.03 Primoz Brezac, C, CHA

I'm sure there's a fantasy sports adage about ignoring pre-season numbers (hopefully this just holds for spring training). But, this is a pick based solely on some impressive numbers put up by Brezec in a few preseason games. I don't expect him to continue to pour in 18 pts and 8 boards a game once the season starts; this is a guy who has averaged less than 6 minutes per game his first three seasons.

I had fully intended to take Gerald Wallace here; in fact, I nearly chose him last round instead of Welsch. But, reading the Bobcats' boxscores it was really Brezec's numbers that stood out. At worse, he's a backup center for me in a league that places a premium on centers. At best he may be a regular starter for me and average close to a double-double.
4Dave R
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:08
11.04 Andre Iguodala F PHI
I really had hoped to grab Nocioni at this spot and then was lookin at Brezac. Both were taken.

I felt at this point, I could afford to take a stab at a rookie that might see significant playing time, if not a starting spot.

I considered Deng also here but felt Iguodala might be a better pick. Some scouts have compared him to Scottie Pippen.

If he gets the minutes, I think in time he will be able to have a positive impact on my team.
5blackjackis21
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:09
11.05 Troy Hudson, G, MIN

Word out of Wolves camp early-on sounds promising for Troy. As long as Cassell is healthy and Wally isn't traded (as a Wolves fan I'm certainly not trying to jinx him, but have a feeling the Alien may be due for some bench time this year), Hudson's #'s will be held in check. However, should he need to step in, he can be a good source of points, threes, assists, %'s and some steals. He may see enough minutes to warrant starting anyways.
6RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:10
11.06 Jeff McInnis, G, CLE

My bookend PG/SG in Cleveland with Eric Snow. Here's one vote for seeing King James and the Big Z in the ASG! I know one of the bookend will be feeding him the rock. Plans have changed in CLE since my Snow pick, he is now the bPG, so he won't get the SG status for starting, but conversely McInnis will get the PG after he meets the game requirements.

When Jeff took over as the starting PG after his trade over to CLE, he and the team took off. If I can get the 12 ppg and 8 apg he had with CLE last season, I'll be very, very happy.

Oh yeah, and I knew Mike D was going to draft with his next pick, so I'll count this is a McInnis' first steal of the season... :)
7Rand
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:10
11.07 Luol Deng, F, CHI
excerpt from Street&Smith Pro Basketball

"When he was five years old, his family left Sudan, escaping a civil war, and moved to Egypt, where life wasn't much better for the Dengs. They were later granted asylum in England and Deng slowly started to develop on the basketball court.

GM John Paxson says, "a few years ago, he (Deng) was the second-best high school player in America behind LeBron James."

averaged 15.1 pts/gm, 6.9 reb/gm, and 47%FG last year. Has been heralded for his work ethic, and was impressive in the summer leagues.

Most everyone knows how well he's done in the preseason, but I thought I'd throw some of this other info out there for those interested. I think he was well worth the risk at this point. I took Joe Smith last round, but I had also really wanted Nocioni and/or Deng. I decided to see if Nocioni would come back around, but when he didn't Luol Deng seemed like an easy choice. Also was considering Tim Thomas but I think Deng will be more fun to monitor. After Joe Smith, I desperately needed a "sexy" pick and Deng seemed to fit the bill.
8Mike D
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:11
11.08 Marko Jaric, G, LAC

I wanted McInnis here, and thought I would get him. He went 2 picks before this, right under my nose. I then narrowed my choice to Tim Thomas, Gerald Wallace, and Jaric. Feeling like Jaric was a nice chance to grab a sleeper starting PG, I took him. Wallace and Thomas went with the next two picks, so I lost my shot at both. However, I seriously questioned whether Jaric would have made it back, and since I had him at the top of my board by a fair distance, I took him.

I’m hoping Jaric joins Brand and Maggette to form a big 3 of sorts in LA. He should be good for assists, a lot of steals, some 3s and some points. Also, at 6’5” tall he can rebound well from the PG spot a la Jason Kidd. If Jaric can stay healthy, I have no doubt he will be a multi-tool fantasy producer for my squad.

10Swish and Edgar
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:12
11.09 Gerald Wallace, F, CHA

The Bobcats will be horrible this year, but hopefully Wallace will finally have the minutes he needs to break out. His FG% and FT% are still risks to a large extent; he's a career 50% FT shooter, but in the preseason has gone 17-20. Has Gerald become a great FT shooter over the course of a summer, or is this just another pre-season aberation of the kind that fantasy owners hate? The same applies for his FG% - his last 3 season have been 36%, 49%, 43%, so who knows what to expect this year. He will be erratic, we're sure about that. The 3s and percentages will be a little flimsy, but our feeling is that Gerald will contribute across the board. Check out his line against Portland: 9 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 8 steals, 1 block and 4-7 from the field. If that doesn't qualify as late round bust-out sleeper potential, i don't know what does!

11APerfect10
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:13
11.10 Tim Thomas, F, NYK
This pick was one of my more difficult choices. I knew that I wanted/needed to draft a Forward here but I did not have stronog feelings one way or the other. I eventually narrowed my two choices down to teammates, Tim Thomas or Mike Sweetney.

At this slot, Thomas is probably the safer bet. Sweetney has a ton of potential and appears that he is going to get the PT this year but drafting him in this slot might be a reach.

All of Tim Thomas' numbers have been gradually increasing each year and I expect that trend to continue this year. Thomas reminds me a lot like one of my other forwards, Darius Miles. A tall thin frame, tall enough to bang with the big boys yet agil enough to handle the rock and shoot outside. I like that type of athleticism. Unfortunately, even though Thomas is 6'-10" tall, he doesnt like to go in and bang the boards. His rebound numbers could be MUCH better than they are. Overall, Thomas is strong across the board and I did not see any other player on the board who did not have a glaring weakness in at least one category and that was the deciding factor for me.

12Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 21:14
11.11 Speedy Claxton, G, GS

About 10 picks ago, I made up a short list for this pick: Jaric, Tim Thomas, and Claxton. The way this draft has been going, I expected them to disappear rapidly, but with only 3 picks to go, all were still there. Fortunately, 1 of the 3 survived.

If Golden State hadn't signed Derek Fisher, Claxton would probably be ranked much higher this season. As it is, most of the write-ups I've read say something like "Claxton is clearly the better player, but Fisher will command significant minutes, since the Warriors are paying him so much." If eveyone's assessment of Speedy is correct, then I'm confident he'll get enough minutes to justify pick #131, with the potential for significant upside. In 26 games during January and February last year – before he was injured – Speedy averaged 13 points, 5+ assists, and 2 steals, and 85% FT shooting, in only 30 minutes per game. I'd be very happy with numbers like that.

Durability is a concern. In 3 NBA seasons, he's never played more than 67 games. But in the 11th round, no player comes without caveats. Just wait 'til you see who we're picking in round 15!
13hoopsklyce
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 22:50
11.12 Hedo Turkoglu, F, ORL

With my next two picks (consecutively taken) I needed to address the open F spot on my roster. Hedo and Desmond Mason were the top rated available players. I chose Turkoglu since he has the ability to contribute a trey a game and has an upside as Grant Hill's backup. I took him despite the headaches I knew were forthcoming trying to spell his name correctly in the draft program.

12.01 Mike Sweetney, F, NYK

I was swayed by a series of recent news to take Sweetney. I read the Knicks felt he was ready to play now and have been trying to trade the starter Kurt Thomas. Sweetney put together a couple of nice preseason games while at the same time Vin Baker and Nazr were not so impressive. His rebound per 48 minute numbers were impressive last season. I took him hoping his upside is realized but would not be surprised if he is on my roster for a limited time.
14Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 22:51
12.02 Desmond Mason, GF, Mil

Mason will probably be the Bucks' 6th man, playing behind Redd and Van Horn at the 2 or 3 spot. In a similar role last year after the All Star break (and after Van Horn arrived), he averaged 34 minutes, and that's more than enough to warrant a 12th round pick. It would be great if he could continue to elevate his game (can you believe he just turned 27?), but a repeat of last year would still warrant a pick in the 9th round – which, frankly, is when I started thinking about him. G/F eligibility is a plus.

Caron Butler would probably have been my backup choice.
15APerfect10
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 08:38
12.03 Boris Diaw, G, ATL
Diaw is entering his 2nd year in the NBA and even though Diaw saw significant minutes last year, I see his numbers to naturally increase this year. Diaw provides the versatility that I like when drafting utility players. Diaw should qualify at both Guard and Forward. He is an excellent rebounder for someone qualifying at the Guard spot. Overall, Diaw is solid across the board minus scoring (which I feel is one of the strengths on my team) so I did not see this as an issue.

Overall, it is a risk drafting Diaw this high in the draft; however, I thought this was the proper time to take that kind of risk. I think if given the minutes, which he should, Diaw could post some lofty rebound, assist and decent steal numbers.

16Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 08:40
12.04 Josh Howard, GF, DAL

We needed another reasonable SG here as it looks increasingly like Marquis won't make the start of the regular season, whilst Ben Gordon continues to show zero confidence in the pre-season. It seems that Nelly is going to throw Josh into the vacant starting SG role in Dallas. Howard had a great year last year, and will be a contender for 6th man of the year this time out. He has a nice all round game and should contribute a block and steal per game also. He's also shown in pre-season that he can take on some scoring load whilst Dirk and/or Finley have been out. And you can never count on Finley giving you 82 games nowadays. All these factors add up to around 30 mpg for Josh, and we think he's a very nice addition at this point.
17Mike D
      ID: 46932247
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 09:32
12.05 Caron Butler, F, LAL

I had so many people rated in the same vicinity of each other that it took me some time to make this pick. I decided on Butler, who is having a strong pre-season in his new surroundings in LA (actually, a “stupendous” pre-season according to one writer). I love him on this team. I expect them to play up-tempo ball and to have the opportunity to put a lot of points on the board, depending on the contributions of Kobe’s supporting cast.

What supporting cast? Other than Lamar Odom, there really isn’t much. Butler has a tremendous opportunity to return to or surpass his excellent rookie season in Miami. He’s only entering his 3rd season, and appears to be healthy other than a minor thigh bruise. (Addendum: Now day to day with a tendon injury to his pinky. Oh well) This is the same Caron Butler that was drafted #10 in the 2002 draft. He can score, rebound, steal, and shoots free throws well. He’ll chip in a few dimes as well.

Rudy T loves Butler’s defense at the SF spot on players like Peja. Butler contributes in so many ways that it may be tough to get him off the court in LA. At the 137th pick in the draft, I’m happy to get Butler. My squad needed to get a little bit younger anyway.
18Rand
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 11:52
12.06 Kenny Anderson, G, ATL

My gut tells me that Kenny Anderson will probably be the first guy I drop to the waiver wire. I guess it all depends on his MPG. If he gets the time, he should be able to post impressive Assist totals (maybe 400?). His percentages aren't too bad, although he's a zero on three pointers. Anderson should help some in steals though.

I'm not sure why I took Kenny exactly. I guess I had my heart set on Caron Butler until that possibility was thoughtlessly torn away from me. So I chose Kenny in the midst of a blind rage and continued to make rude gestures toward the screen until the Nurse arrived with my medication ;)
19RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 12:01
12.07 Bonzi Wells, G, MEM

Despite hating most of what Bongzi Wells represents, I felt I had to go with the best available talent. Bongzi has a huge upside and I can see his selfishness ratching up this year when he is on the court for MEM. Good Luck Hubie.

I figure to see around mid 20 minutes per game, similar to last season. With the MEM 20 man deep rotation, you never know who is starting and how long they will go.

If Bongzi's preseason numbers are an indication of what is to come, this is going to be the steal of the draft:

24 Minutes - 18 Points - 6 Boards - 2 steals
22 Minutes - 12 Points - 8 Boards - 1 Steal - 4 Dimes
24 Minutes - 14 Points - 10 Boards - 1 Steal - 7 Dimes

Admittedly, this has been 2 games against ATL and 1 against MIL, but those are excellent numbers for a 12th rounder.
20blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 23:43
12.08 Shane Battier, F, MEM

As a full-time backup to Posey, getting about 25 minutes per game, I don't have huge hopes for Battier. He's not going to win any categories for me, but he's not going to lose any either. He's one of those guys that can fill the stat sheet, and may become G/F eligible. A trade or a lingering Posey injury makes him even more valuable.
21Dave R
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 23:47
12.09 Antonio Mcdyess, F, DET

12th round, time to role the "Dice". Actually I had been keeping an eye on McDyess this preseason. As a starter the last dozen games last year he finished the season strong, averaging over 10 points and rebounds.

Word out of Detroit is that he's healthy and will be the first man off the bench and play significant minutes.

Based on that and his end of the year finish I felt he was to good to pass up at this juncture. I just hope he remains injury free.
22Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 00:03
12.10 Kwame Brown, PF, Was

At this point in the draft, pickin's are quite slim. It seems it comes down to unproven rookies, role players, or injured starters. And, it turns out the players I was considering here (those that I had rated the highest and/or would help my team the most) were all in this injured category.

I had drafted Kwame in some leagues last year, and was hurt by his inconsistency. It seemed that when I benched him he'd put up a 15 points and 10 rebounds, and when I started him he'd shoot 1-7 and get 3 boards. I ended up dropping him before he went on a tear towards the end of the season. If he's ever going to live up to the expectations of being the #1 selection, this might be the year. The Wizards will be depending on him, and this is a contract year. Hopefully, he'll only miss the first 2-3 weeks of the season. His broken toe is less of a concern to me than some of the back injuries of the other players I was considering (ie, my next pick).
23Doug
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 16:43
12.11 Aaron Mckie, G, PHI

Not a whole lot to say about this pick... I felt I needed someone who could just plug a hole in my lineup, not looking for a home run with this one. The only "upside" here is if AI and/or the Green/Iguodola (sp?) combo gets injured and McKie plays a larger role as a result. I don't need that though... I just needed a body who will give me some reliable stats (so many players left are in "position battles"), and ideally help me out a little bit in 3s and steals... and thus McKie seemed the perfect fit.
24Coldwater Coyotes
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 16:44
12.12 Etan Thomas C WAS

I have Camby as one of my 2 primary centers and given his susceptibility to injuries I need back up. I am going with 2 centers in a row. Providing Thomas gets a minimum of 25 mins a game he will put up averages of 9PPG, 7.5RPG, 1.5BPG, 49%FG and a very low .64FT%... he wouldn't be going to the line that often so no real damge here. Overall these are solid numbers for a back up center.

13.01 Michael Olowokandi C MIN

The second of my 2 back up centers. Even if has a reasonably solid year he represents protection for my Blocks and Rebound categories. There is always the possibilty, although somewhat unlikely, that he will stay injury free and decide to put in the effort. If so his numbers will be a real bonus.

25Doug
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 16:45
13.02 Kelvin Cato, C, ORL

Well, I wasn't super-thrilled with this pick. I wanted a 3rd center in case of injury (or possibly even to supply blocks from a util slot) and was hoping Kandi would fall to me here, but of course was taken with the pick just prior, which emphasizes again how tough this draft has been. I tried trading down, but wound up just taking Cato instead. He's certainly got the most blocked shot potential of any player out there... but his starting job or playing time are a little uncertain. I don't anticipate I'll be doing very well if I'm starting a player who gives me sub-8 points, sub-6 boards, and 1-2 blocks... and I think Cato's preseason numbers have been pretty lackluster (about in that range). So I'm not terribly excited about this pick right now, but if he can put in 10-10-2+ (which would certainly seem feasible if he gets 30+ mins/night), then I'll be much happier about it!
26Slackjawed Yokel
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 17:54
13.03 Mike Miller, G, MEM

Provided he's healthy, Miller stands to be a solid player with this late pick. (plus as far as I know, he qualifies as an American-born white guy) He is eligible at both SG and SF and doesn't hurt me too much by having decent numbers for a guard for rebounds, steals, points, and 3's. Of course, he missed quite a bit of time last year because of back problems and is having some recurring problems during the preseason.

I had him on my qualifier team last year, and when he played and was healthy was a starter. The other two players I was considering with this pick - Vlade and Bender, also have injury problems, so I went with the player who I thought would be the best for my team injury-free. Plus, should he go on the injured list, I can use the IL slots and can look to the free agent wire for assistance.

27Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 17:55
13.04 Chucky Atkins, G, LAL

We all know the ball is now Kobe's in Laker land. But someone does have to pass it to him, right?

I really don't know what production to expect from Atkins at this point, but he did average 12 points , 5.3 assists and 1.6 3's a game as a starter for Boston last year.

I'd gladly take those number this year
28blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 17:56
13.05 Devin Harris, G, DAL

The no. 5 pick in the NBA draft has had a good preseason this year. Granted, Jason Terry will get the bulk of the minutes once the games count, but Dallas has a history of picking good, young players, actually using them, and having them perform well.

A pretty big question mark, and perhaps too early to take someone who may end up being dropped early-on, but Harris showed a nice all-around game in his collegiate career with Wisconsin. With rumblings of a prolonged Marquis Daniels injury and Michael Finley playing with a hamstring, Devin may get decent minutes early on. If he takes advantage and does well, he may earn himself a long-term spot on my roster.

29RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 18:01
13.06 Jerry Stackhouse, F, DAL

Hard for me to let Jerry slide any further. Obvoius downside is his rivalry with Cotton Camby for the "Mr. Glass" award, but a career 21 ppg, 4 ast, 4 rpg guy has to go somewhere and 13.06 sounds good to me.

He is going to be low on the pecking order in DAL, I think, but after a little showcasing, he should be packaged off to some scrub team, where he can resume his magnificient scoring.

More importantly, I now have two of the reigning "the next MJ"s in Vince and Stackhouse. Woohoo!

Preseason breaking news: He is already hurt and missing games...
30Rand
      ID: 319322519
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 21:32
13.07 Rasual Butler, F, MIA

I've got a good feeling about this pick. Apparently Butler has made improvements in his defensive game and ball-handling and looks to claim a top spot in the Miami rotation. Again, like Eddie Jones, having Shaq in the line-up will give Raz (as I like to call him) great open looks from the perimeter. I'm hoping for good solid all-round numbers from Butler. Including quality percentages, possibly 5+ reb/gm, and maybe close to 100 3ptm (he shot 48% from the field and 46.3% from 3-point range).

Of course, these numbers are generous but if I end up drafting a guy, then in my world he's due for a career year. Dig? Anyway, I've got faith that Raz (as I like to call him) is gonna step up and rise to the next level of small forwards.

31Mike D
      ID: 539332519
      Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 21:33
13.08 David Wesley, G, NO

I went with the top ranked guy on my board here. I almost traded up to get him, in fact. Hoping Wesley gets to 100% health and can return to the form of only 2 seasons ago. Their new division will be challenging, but I’m optimistic about the new coaching staff of Byron Scott’s. I think Wesley will flourish in the style they will play and I look for lots of 3PTM, steals, points, and good FT %. Also considered Voshon Lenard who is a similar player.

I read today that Scott was complimenting Wesley by saying “He (Wesley) only gives up size at that position. He doesn’t give up anything else. He’s tough, smart and got experience, and guys don’t get easy baskets (against him).” My kinda player.
32Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 05:33
13.09 Vlade Divac, C, LAL

We identified a couple of needs at this stage - a 3rd C and some assists. So, who better than Vlade? He proved to be a reliable and steady source of assists last year. Another stalwart from our last RIHC campaign, Vlade will probably decline slightly again this year, but is still a helpful addition at this stage. It looks like the start of season may come too soon for him, but hopefully he can play 28+ mins when he returns. Numbers similar to last year would be very welcome, and with LA having no proven PG, there's some leeway for a bump up on his already impressive dish numbers. It ain't hard to kick out to Kobe after all.
35APerfect10
      ID: 369168
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 11:00
13.10 Antonio Daniels, G, SEA

This was the first round drafting players that do not count against your starting roster and since both of my utility slots at this point only have fowards; I decided to look at the guards.

My three options were Antonio Daniels, Luke Ridnour or Brevin Knight. Daniels and Ridnour, both play for Seattle and are in a battle for the starting PG job. Knight has essentially already won the starting PG job in Charlotte. With that said, all three of them should see fairly equal minutes so that shouldnt be a huge issue.

Last year Luke Ridnour experienced up and downs throughout the year and while he is a talented kid he does not provide the consistency that I like. Daniels IMHO is the more likely candidate of the two Seattle PG's to have a better year. He led the league last year with a 5-1 assist to turnover ratio which always crucial during PG battles. His incredible FT% and FG% (for a guard) pushed him over the edge for me. I like reserves who I can plug into my lineup and will give me a boost in a category or two while not taking a hit in FT% and FG% and Daneils was my type of guy.
36Guru
      ID: 46962416
      Tue, Oct 26, 2004, 11:14
13.11 Jeff Foster, C, Ind

I need a backup center at this point. So, when scavenging my rankings, I came up with the following short list: Foster, Brian Grant, and two guys who haven't even been drafted as of the final pick. Of the four, I had Foster ranked slightly higher – but well within the margin of error. I couldn’t come up with a compelling rationale for any of the four. Foster doesn’t do much in blocks, but I'm already hopeless in that category. So I figure I might as well go with the rankings.
37hoopsklyce
      ID: 46962416
      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:46
13.12 Jarvis Hayes, F, WAS

Hayes seemed like a good player with some upside potential who had been having some decent performances in the preseason particularly in the steal category. I thought that the Wizards might play Jamison at PF and start Hayes at SF.

14.01 Chris Mihm, C, LAL

Took a flyer here on a player who has not been much more than a reserve in his career. But I was swayed by his shot blocking skills, some preseason performances, Divac's injury, and my need for a backup center.


38Guru
      ID: 46962416
      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:47
14.02 Udonis Haslem, F, Mia

This year, we have a total limit of 84 games per slot, which totals 1008 games. Last year, the top 144 players averaged 72 games played. Assuming that same average, we'll need to play 14 players full time (since 14x72=1008). So, we really can't afford to look at our three bench slots as players to warehouse for a rainy day. We need to be willing to play them a fair bit – unless we get lucky and have a very healthy squad.

Haslem should be the starting PF in Miami this year. Of course, Miami this year will be vastly different than Miami last year, so I don’t think it's necessarily legitimate to extrapolate Haslem's numbers from last year. I've seen estimates ranging from 7 points/6 rebounds (same as last year) to 12 points/9 rebounds. We'll just have to wait and see whether I want to move him into my active lineup, or whether I want to move him to free agency. I do think there is some upside potential, though.
39APerfect10
      ID: 46962416
      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:48
14.03 Brian Grant, C LAL

With one of my final 2 picks I needed to take a decent center. I opted to draft a center here rather than waiting 20 picks due to the fact that Shaq is an injury liability. Hopefully now that the Diesel is in the best shape of his life he can endure a 75+ games; however, nothing can be taken for granted. At this point Center depth is limited since each team is required to start 2 centers (24 total Centers) and a few backups were already being drafted.

Brian Grant goes to LA in the swap for my other big man. Vlade Divac should be the starting center with Brian Grant moving to his more natural position of PF. Since Divac isnt a huge rebounder; Grant should still be the biggest rebounding threat on the Lakers much like he was for so many years in Miami. I am expecting Grant to player closer to his old self rather than the Brian Grant we've seen recently. I'm expecting at the minimum 8 RPG and 8 PPG. One thing that instantly drew me to Grant was his solid FT% for a big man. Expect to see another 77%+ from the charity stripe. One negative with Grant is his lower FG% and I expect that might go a little lower now that he is going to match up against the great PF's of the West. This doesnt bother me too much because I feel the FG% category is one of my strengths so a few poor FG% efforts shouldnt hurt me much especially from a reserve.
40Swish City
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:49
14.04 Dan 'Gadzilla' Gadzuric, C, MIL

Edgar has to take all the credit for this one. If you told us that in round 14 we would be able to pick up a starting C who has potential for a double-double and to be top 10 in the league in blocks, we would have been sceptical, to say the least. But that is exactly what Gadz is. He probably slipped this far only because of injury and returning only recently. Of course, the FT% is nasty in a Shaq kinda way, but as Guru mentioned earlier, you can't have everything when you get to round 14. We will settle for a player that should propel us right to the top of the blocks category if he stays healthy. Last year, he averaged 1.4 blocks in 17 mins. With the loss of Skinner to Philly and increased minutes, his FG% of 50%+ also helps now that he will be taking enough shots to matter.

And we now have 4 Cs. And none of them are complete scrubs. Never did we think that would happen before we started out. Blocks, anyone?

41Mike D
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:50
14.05 Voshon Lenard, G, Den

I went with the top ranked guy on my board once again here. As the starting SG in Denver, Lenard is their only true 3 Point threat. He should rack up over 100 this season on an upcoming Denver squad. I think Lenard gives me lots of 3PTM, points, and good FT %.

I had considered Voshon Lenard last round when I scooped up Wesley instead (after a coin flip). Getting a solid starter at this stage of the draft is something that I think represents excellent value.
42Rand
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:50
14.06 Danny Fortson FC SEA

I'm not sure what to make of Fortson. He certainly hasn't played that much in the last 2 years. Obviously he's a ferocious rebounder (averaged 4.5 rebounds in only 11.2 minutes a game with Dallas last year...or you could project it to 19.4 rebounds for 48 minutes played). In 2001, Fortson averaged 28.8 mpg, 11.2 pts/gm, 11.7 rebounds/gm, and shot almost 80% FT! I have no idea how productive he'll be this year, but his FC designation is handy and clearly Danny Fortson could be a major source of Rebounds with decent scoring production for a center if he gets the playing time, and stays healthy, and doesn't piss off the coach.

43RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:51
14.07 Earl Boykins, G, DEN

Earl looks to get the same minutes as he did last season (20-25 per) and run the offense on the second squad in Denver. I look for Earl to get around 12 points and 4+ dimes per game, and maybe 1 block (on the season). Midgets can't rebound.

The little jitterbug brings high energy to the Mile High squad. Just one of those guys you like to watch.
44blackjackis21
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:52
14.08 Brevin Knight, G, Cha
This is what I get for waiting too long to pick point guards. Actually, for the 14th round, I'm not overly disappointed with Brevin's prospects. I should know early on if he's the designated point guard for the Bobcats, and if so I would expect to get some steals and some assists potentially. Then again, you gotta have somebody to drop right? (Did I already use that for one of my other picks?)


45Dave R
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:53
14.09 J.R. Smith, G, NO

After having Haslem, Gadz, Grant, and Fortson all snared before my turn came, I had to regroup. I liked what I was hearing about Smith ( pre-pick ), but don't like hearing afterwards that Scott isn't in love with his defense, and needs to improve to see decent minutes.

I do think with Wesley's injury woes that Smith still has a shot for some meaningful playing time, and if given the opportunity will produce some solid fantasy value.

With Smith and Howard, I might have a leg up on the youngest team in our league.
46Slackjawed Yokel
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:54
14.10 Morris Peterson, GF, Tor

Well after picking a couple of injury risks/sufferers I wanted to make sure I had someone with one of these last picks that would play. Peterson figures to be the first one off the bench in Toronto and will serve as my insurance for Jalen Rose. MoPete suffered a large dropoff of his numbers last year with the exception of 3's. And 3-pointers is what I'm mostly looking for from him. But, I do expect an upswing in his general numbers from last year as he seems to have gotten himself out of the doghouse.
47Doug
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:54
14.11 - Jason Kapono, F, CHA

Well, I was really hoping for JR Smith with this pick. *sigh* It's the 47th time I've said it, but this draft has been the toughest I've ever participated in, in terms of guys I'm excited about not falling through to me.

I think Kapono will have more slack this year playing on the expansion Bobcats, and that will allow him to shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. There's even the possibility that he could really shine... I've seen him play a fair amount and know of his potential. I'm not relying on anything stellar though, just enough to fill a utility slot... and I heard a rumor that Kapono shoots the occasional 3 pointer. ;-) At this point that's good enough for me. Somehow I think the fact I am a UCLA Bruin fan may have factored into this decision as well.

Also, I'm now 3-deep at the white dude position... just in case of injury.
48Coldwater Coyotes
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:56
14.12 Leandro Barbosa G PHO


From my last 2 picks I wanted help in 3PTs and Assists. Obviously the candidates in this round are poor. It is unlikely that Barbosa will see many minutes with Nash as the starting PG but in the time that he will play he can hit 3pts and accumulate steals. I am not very happy with this pick and it probably only makes sense if Nash has injury problems.

15.01 Derek Fisher G GSW

He will probably split time with Claxton as Golden State's PG. If so 28 minutes per game can be expected with 11PPG, 2RPG, 4APG, 100 steals and 100 3Pts. His steals and 3point numbers act as a back up for these categories and overall he is not a bad player to have on my bench.

49Doug
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:57
15.02 - Luke Ridnour, PG, SEA

Basically I just felt he was the best player still available, wasn't concerned much about position. If he can win the starting job outright and put up some good numbers in assists along with some steals and 3s then I will be thrilled.

He also provides me with additional flexibility to trade as I am now well-stocked at PG. For example, when Kidd returns and starts putting up crazy numbers, I may be able to move Kidd for another position I need instead (upgrade at C, etc.)... though only time will tell.

I've got a lot of youth on my team which is a little risky, but if a couple of these guys can really emerge then I'll be sitting pretty.
50Slackjawed Yokel
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:57
15.03 Jonathan Bender, F, Ind

As any self-respecting Hoosier and Pacerfan can tell you, Jonathan Bender is The Real Deal, he's The Complete Package and any other number of exagerrated hyperbole...

Actually the truth is that he has incredible athleticism, and he'll finally have a chance to play regular minutes with the departure of Al Harrington. He's shown flashes of brilliance in his limited court time and has very nice range for a 7-footer (actually, as has been widely reported, he's still growing). When he first came in the league he was essentailly a 6'11" shooting guard. In the past couple of seasons he's started to be a lot more aggressive in driving to the basket and in using his length - as Clark Kellogg would say - on defense. He could, just like my Al Harrington pick a year ago, turn out to be a nice sleeper. Of course, this will all depend on his ability to avoid injuries this year - and he dropped this far probably only because he has yet to play yet in the preseason. If nothing else, at least I have a Pacer on my squad...
51Dave R
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:58
15.04 Aaron Williams, F, NJ

I had to have a Net. I had to have a Net. I had to have a Net.

Actually I was looking for a center and considered Haywood. But he's disappointed me before. Williams will start a PF for NJ and serve as the back up center. A sad state of affairs for NJ ;). Williams has never been more than a role player since he came to the Nets and probably should still be one.

But the prospect of him logging 30+ minutes a night could lead to him posting some adequate fantasy value, especially in the 15th round.

I Hope.
52blackjackis21
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 07:59
15.05 Gordan Giricek, G, Uta

This is somewhat of an insurance pick for Matt Harpring. Should Matt's knee not behave this year, I've at least got the guy that should benefit the most. If both are healthy, I still think Giri should get some nice minutes and will be a decent contributor in 3's, and %'s.
53RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:00
15.06 Jason Collins, C, NJN

Because they say I need a second center...

Actually, there was a series of 3 or 4 other scrub centers I considered here, but Jason is a starter, even if on the Nyets. Thats got to be worth something, right?
54Rand
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:01
15.07 Alan Houston, SG, NYK

Although I understand why his value has dropped so dramatically, I'm still pretty ecstatic to get Houston at this point. I know no one will agree (since everyone passed on him), but I think Houston could become a big time steal in this draft (the 175th pick?). His injury concerns are very real, however, and his role on the team is somewhat uncertain with Crawford's stepping in and dominating while Alan ails on the sideline.

Houston is a guy, if healthy, can average 20 points a game in his sleep. He brings next to nothing in the assists and rebounds, sort of like Rip Hamilton Lite. Houston brings some great percentages to my team and as recently as 2002-03 he played all 82 games and scored almost 1500 points. In any case, he may start the season on the IL, and allow me to pursue other interest in the mean time.
55Mike D
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:02
15.08 Brendan Haywood, C, Was

Haywood should see big playing time early on due to the injuries to Kwame (“the Kwam”) Brown and Etan Thomas. His stats per 48 minutes last year: 14.5 pts., 10.4 reb., 51.5 FG%. He blocked 100 shots in less than 20 minutes per game last year as well. He’s in shape and ready to go.

I viewed this pick as insurance for injuries I may have, including Jermaine O’Neal. I can move either Ratliff or Kurt Thomas to Forward and start Haywood, and lessen any loss of blocks if O’Neal misses time. A lot of centers are coming off the board and the free agent pool will be thinner than expected at that spot, especially with regard to guys that can block shots.
56Swish City
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:03
15.09 Darrell Armstrong, G, NOR

We needed another G. We narrowed it down to Darrell and Willie Green, after potentials Ridnour and Fisher were taken earlier in this round. On the basis that Baron is in the Wild Wild West now and will be pummelled more than ever, his chances of holding up 82 games are practically zero. Armstrong was outstanding stepping in for Baron last year, and provides excellent contributions in 3s, steals, and assists as well as shooting almost 90% from the stripe. Willie should be pretty great and could be better than DA, but after all the chances we have taken in this draft, we thought we would be a little ironic and go for a 'safe' pick in round 15. Armstrong is still a steal (no pun intended) with pick #176. Some mock drafts we looked at this year had him going just after 100.
57APerfect10
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:04
15.10 Tony Delk, G, ATL

One of my draft strategies was to draft with a higher emphasis on Forwards rather than Guards. With that said, I felt that my team was fairly balanced at this point with the G position probably being the weakest of the three (G/F/C). Another category I noticed that I was weak in was Steals and at this point there werent too many players that are going to net at least 1 SPG.

With Jason Terry long gone and Atlanta short on Point Guards, I feel that Delk should see significant playing time. When your starting PG is as old as Kenny Anderson, you better be prepared to have a solid backup because you never know how many games Anderson will be able to play. At this point Delk is the only other viable option IMHO. I'm hoping for numbers closer to Delk's 2002 seasn rather than his 2003 season. I am hoping Delk can get 30+ minutes a game and from there all of his other numbers will take care of themself. Like my previous pick, Delk is a very good FT% shooter and a not so good FG% shooter. This fits well with the mold of my team.

Antoine Walker meet Tony Delk. Tony Delk meet Antoine Walker. These two do not need formal introductions, they played together for a long time at Kentucky (during Kentucky's glory days). I think this old duo will mold together extremely well which should only increase both of their stat lines.
58Guru
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:04
15.11 Charlie Ward, G, Hou

I scanned through the depth charts for all 30 NBA teams, and found a few starters who haven’t yet been drafted. Ward has been named the starting PG for the Rockets, at least for now. But Van Gundy is non-committal about the likely distribution of minutes between Ward and Tyronn Lue. The hot hand will win. And even the winner may not get much more than 50% of the court time. When Bob Sura returns, the situation will get even dicier. But until then, I'm hoping I can bag some assists, steals, and 3s out of Ward.

I strongly considered Willie Green, but backed away at the last minute, due to his inexperience and questions about his playing time vs. Iguodala. Ward has some history, albeit not with Houston. I thought Ward had a better chance to contribute in November, while Green might require some time to find his role. Green might be the better long term play, however.

I drafted Ward last season as well, and he was a good contributor for much of his tenure with the Knicks, in spite of uneven playing time. He got me off to a good head start in assists. And that may be his impact on this year's team as well.

I also considered one of the several starting (or close to it) centers that are still out there, but they all have significant issues. Some of them may turn out to be serviceable, but I had little confidence that I'd pick the right one at this stage. So I'll leave them all to sort it out in the free agent heap.

59hoopsklyce
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      Wed, Oct 27, 2004, 08:05
15.12 Willie Green, G, PHI

At the time I made the pick I thought Green would be a starter for the Sixers. About ten minutes ago I read that Aaron McKie would be the starter. However that is something I think is definately subject to change. I was suprised that Green went undrafted (almost) as I took him with the last pick. I had expected him to score in double figures but not have too many other strengths.
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