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Subject: Kobe Bryant and Gravity
Posted by: Addicted
- Dude [4611592518] Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:11
I know this doesn't make much sense, but If we are to believe that gravity works when a player isn't being picked up, then why hasn't Kobe's price dropped!!!
Gravity Defying Moves
Logically his price should be in the mid 7K's, but it's still at 7980!!!
Oh he's got 248 owners, 3 people bought him yesterday (I must have missed the memo).
I know he's above the gravity line at 43th most owned player. But come on guys, If a guys out for more than 2 games, should't gravity just kick in.
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| 1 | Flying Polack
Donor
ID: 378582811
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:16
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Same thing is happening with Larry Hughes. It's frustrating and will end up being a benefit to the managers with a higher roster value.
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:19
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Ummm,... you answered your own question.
Frankly, this is a classic example of when non-gravity is appropriate. The premise for gravity is that no one is buying a player when that player's price is too high to offer value relative to other player prices.
The reason that no one is buying Kobe has nothing to do with his price being too high. I've even suggested that perhaps players on the DL should be exempt from gravity, regardless of ownership, but that suggestion has never gotten any traction.
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| 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:21
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Ditto for Hughes. The issue shouldn't be how to get guys like Kobe or Hughes into gravity. The issue should be how to keep other injured players out of gravity.
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| 4 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 13:40
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And where is the problem in THAT, Flying Polack? ;-)
What is Kobe's status, anyway?
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| 5 | Dilbert
ID: 320572618
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 16:27
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From ESPN (I think), Kobe should play at some stage during their current road trip.
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| 6 | Dilbert
ID: 320572618
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 16:32
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From ESPN (I think), Kobe should play at some stage during their current road trip.
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| 7 | Addicted
Dude
ID: 4611592518
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 17:12
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Let's take a different angle on this then.
TSN is supposed to be a market based game.
I have stock in Kobe Bryant, Inc. (I wish I did).
It is announced that the CEO of the company is under investigation for fraud. KB, Inc.'s price will take a hit.
KB, Inc. is now at 78.90.
No one will buy KB, Inc. until this mess is cleaned up. Those that sold, have already done so. So the remaining stockholders are holding for the longterm.
No price drop on the stock.
So yeah, it makes sense that he doesn't drop like he would if he was overpriced.
But I do agree with FP, about the frustration of a good player who's down, not loosing value.
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| 8 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 17:40
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Actually, I don't think that "fraud" example is appropos, either. I don't think there is necessarily is a good market-based rationale for applying something like gravity in this instance.
You could argue that it is appropriate for his price to be discounted today, because anyone buying today would have to wait awhile before collecting any point returns. But by the time he returns to action, his price should already be back to its full level. There is no market rationale that says you deserve to be able to pick up a healthy Kobe at a substantially "unhealthy" price. And I think a price below $8m is already at a slight discount to fair value for a healthy Kobe.
You are really looking for a free lunch - the opportunity to buy a player at a price that is artificially depressed below its fair market value. You've seen gravity have that effect on other players in similar circumstances, and you now think it's the way things ought to be.
That doesn't mean you can't wish it were that way. But I don't think it's a flaw in the game mechanics.
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| 9 | weykool
ID: 3052013
Mon, Feb 07, 2005, 19:13
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Ultimate hoops is anything but a market driven system.
In a real market system the only way you could buy a player would be if you could find a willing seller.
Likewise the only way you could sell was if you found a willing buyer.
Selling back to the house a damaged player for full value or buying unlimited players from the house doesnt resemble any kind of real world market other than maybe Nordstroms, where people buy a dress save the tag and then resell it back to the store.
I for one am glad that Kobe will remain more fairly priced....do we gain anything by all buying the same underpriced players?
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