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Subject: RIHC 2005-06
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 11:54
Invitations have been offered for the 2005-06 RotoGuru Invitational Hoops Challenge. Here are the 12 managers (listed alphabetically):
Doug
Guru
hoopsklyce
KnicksFan
lionprideguy
Mike D
Pacers Rule
SANFORDORS
Skinneej
slackjawed yokel
Swish & Edgar
Tosh
The invitees were selected as follows:
1. Top 6 finishers from last year’s RIHC
2. Top 4 finishers in last year’s AAA qualifying league
3. Winner of last year’s AA qualifying league
4. Me
All of the invitees have accepted the invitation to participate.
The draft will start in mid-October. The actual date has not yet been set.
I will start a separate thread for recruitment of qualifying league managers.
The first order of business is to consider whether any rule changes are warranted. I’ll start a discussion of that shortly.
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 12:34
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I believe the following summary reflects the rules in effect last year (with dates updated):
Trade End Date: March 2
Waiver Time: 2 days
Trade Review: Commissioner
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 84
Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow
Start Scoring on: Tuesday, Nov 1
Roster Positions: PG, SG, G, G, PF, SF, F, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, ST, BLK
Regarding trade approval and processing:
Trade review is set for Commissioner approval. After a trade is announced, managers have 24 hours to register an objection by either posting here or by sending me an email (or both). If at least 3 objections are received during that period, then all managers will be surveyed for a vote. 6 negative votes within the next 24 hours would be required to overturn a trade.
If a vote is not required, the trade will be processed as soon after the initial 24 hour period as possible. If a vote is required, the trade will be processed (if not disapproved) as soon as possible after the voting period ends. If those 24 hour windows end late at night, it is possible that a trade may not be processed until the following morning. (I will do my best to be prompt, but I'm not staying up until 1am to process a trade.)
Regarding placing players on the disabled list:
1. Any player drafted may immediately be placed in a DL slot if they are Yahoo-eligible to be put there.
2. Any DL-eligible player may immediately be placed in a DL slot if they have appeared in an NBA game since the time they were added to the roster.
3. Any other player on the DL may only be placed in a DL slot after they have been on the roster for a minimum for 10 days.
The limitation in item 3 will be manually administered. If a violation is detected, the “perp” will be required to either drop the player, or to put him back on the active roster for the required waiting period.
Removal of a player from a DL slot will be subject only to the standard Yahoo rules. Be aware that if you have a player in a DL slot who is no longer on the DL, you will be unable to make any add/drop transactions until that player is removed from the DL slot.
Does anyone want to suggest any changes?
I assume that everyone is agreeable to continuing with Yahoo as the hosting site?
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| 2 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 12:59
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Let me be the first to suggest pushing the Trade End Date back to March 16, which I believe is the latest allowable by Yahoo. Yahoo is a fine site as far as I am concerned.
Of lesser significance is "Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules." That could be changed to make everyone a FA afterwards. It will be slim pickings anyway, but if there are injuries during the draft etc. people can make immediate changes rather than put their claims in.
Similarly, we could change waiver time to 1 day, since the 2 day actually equates to a longer period, as the players aren't usable until the day after the claim goes through.
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| 3 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 22:32
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Yahoo worked well last year. Late trade deadline is fine with me.
As far as waiver dates and post-draft rules, I'm more inclined for the slightly lower maintenance 2 day period and auto-waivers (post-draft). That way, it gives more folks an even shot @ players without feeling a need to race for the FA's or check waivers compulsively every day throughout the season.
I'm curious if there will be a fast draft or slow draft.
Also, I wonder if 24 hours for a potential trade veto is enough time for everyone to respond? I wonder if 48 hours is a better time frame?
I'd even go for 82 games per position.
Mike D, I can hear you groaning already ;-)
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| 4 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 22:55
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Oh, I see there was an 8 hour clock per pick last season except for 10 hours @ end of round & first of round picks.
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| 5 | lionprideguy
Sustainer
ID: 906204
Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 03:37
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I'm comfortable with all the current setup, I know it had been updated last year and it all seemed to work out well.
The later trade deadline is probably a good recommendation. I'm okay with the shorter waiver time as well, keeps things moving quicker, but understand if this could be a problem for those in Europe missing out on something because of a timing quirk, or just too difficult so that people don't feel the need to check every few hours.
Those are my thoughts, but they're all minor details and I'm happy to go ahead with either decision on all the topics above. Everything else looks great, looking forward to it!
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| 6 | Guru
ID: 32802310
Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 17:28
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Regarding the trade veto period: Everybody doesn't need to respond within 24 hours. We only need 3 negative votes during that period. If we get three objections within the first 24 hours, then the full 48 hour period is available to hear from everyone.
The thinking was that if a trade was worthy of a veto, at least 3 people would object within 24 hours.
In the first 2 years of the Invitational Leagues, I don't recall any single trade objections.
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| 7 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 23:42
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It's probably a moot point, Guru, as I doubt there would be much funny business going on in a league of this caliber. I think your rationale makes sense. Besides, I count it a privilege just being invited so never mind what I say :-)
I'm freaking out b/c I just realized I have a professional conference to attend October 16-18 and I'm afraid this is going to come smack in the middle of the early rounds of the draft!
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| 8 | hoopsklyce
ID: 41848256
Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 08:50
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I propose bumping up the games played a bit, say 88 games, and expanding the bench a spot.
Obviusly I would prefer to not lower the limit to 82 games.
The reason is that I think it would require owners to be a little more active in terms of looking for free agents and managing their team.
Leagues with lower limits can become a bit stagnent for me as you end up just having the same roster.
Teams with injury issues can use the generous 2 spot DL and also the additional bench spot. I like reasons to go fishing for lesser know players.
I also suggest we try to work around the owners conference schedule should he not have email access during that time.
Thanks for the opporunity to speak.
David
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| 9 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 11:05
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I must say, i'm not that keen on the idea of expanding another Bench slot. This is gonna suck another 12 FA's out of the pool from day one - is there really going to be anyone left that's viably worth picking up if that's the case? The level and amount of FAs has been spot on with the current roster config for previous years, IMO.
I'd prefer the 2 day waiver period to remain, but if the masses vote for 1 day that's ok too. The reason for this is my internet access from work has been locked down, and as LPG suggested, there could be some weird timing issues for waivered players becoming FA's during that time etc. But i really don't mind what's decided.
I like pushing out the trade deadline. No surprise Mike D piped up with that one :) I'm also pretty ambient on most of the other issues raised here.
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| 10 | Mike D
ID: 57891011
Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 12:16
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Have to agree on not adding a bench spot because I think that is counter-productive to league activity. I like people having tough decisions on when to add/drop, and the freshness of good players being dropped and available. (cough cough....Korver....cough cough)
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| 11 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 15:44
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I like the rules as they were last season.
82-84 games is great.
24 hour waivers is great.
I would prefer to see all players go into waivers after the draft, as opposed to instant free-agency.
I'll be out-of town (Mom's surprise 60th b-day party in Vegas) October 14-17. It should not hinder my ability to draft at all (I hope!).
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| 12 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 06:42
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My .02...
84 games seems right to me. With 82 you can use a plug-n-play lineup and just fill the injuries... at least with 84 your bench guys need to fill in a few games here and there when they're on a hot streak, etc.. 88 is too much, however, given the talent that's available on our benches and FAs to make up those additional 48 games.
I think we've found a pretty optimum roster size and don't see the need for an extra bench slot, which would serve to diminish an already meager FA pool.
Indifferent on waiver period 24/48. There should be post-draft waivers (not immediate FAs).
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| 13 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 09:51
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I haven't heard any groundswell of support for any changes, other than pushing the trade deadline back to mid-March. So other than that change, I think we'll keep things the same.
I'll be registering the league shortly at both Yahoo and Kafenatid (for the draft), and will send out the registration info via email when those are ready.
I'd like to aim to have the draft completed by Friday, Oct 28th. Last year, the draft took 15 days. Using that as a guideline, a start date of Oct. 13th seems reasonable. Maybe I'll back it up to the 11th or 12th just to give a little more breathing room.
Pacers Rule, hopefully we can figure out a way to keep you tuned in while you're at your conference. Will you have any internet connection then, or will everything have to be done by phone?
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| 14 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 18:33
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Unfortunately, at this time I don't have any way to know. Arrangements are pending. I could probably make a pick before I leave on Sunday the 16th, or send a queue to someone before I leave if I'm not up by the time I have to leave. In any event, I will return by Tuesday evening and could make a pick then, so we're probably only talking about a 48 hour blackout period for me at worst. Depending on draft order & how the draft is progressing at that point, it's possible I might not even be up again for a pick on Monday. It's also possible I could get some access Monday evening. As the time approaches I should know more.
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| 15 | lionprideguy
Sustainer
ID: 906204
Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 03:48
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Thanks Guru, I think everything looks and sounds great.
Starting the first round an extra day early, just to give some cushion in case we run behind sometime later with delays, wouldn't be a bad thing. Since we usually know our draft order a few days in advance of the draft, the first round is pretty easy. People have a general idea of who might be available when they take their first pick, and so have more of an idea already who they want, rather than later rounds where it's harder to predict who will be available when.
I don't know if that all made sense or not, butI think my point is that I wouldn't have too much of a stress making my first round pick earlier if we need to account for possible extra time on the later end.
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| 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 11:55
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The next order of business is to pick our draft position. In this league, we randomly assign a sequence of managers to pick their position in the draft. This one round selection process is the draft draft, or draft2.
To do this, I alphabetize a list of managers' Gurupie names (and I'll use "Euros" for Swish and Edgar). I then get two lists of numbers from 1-12. The first set is used to reorder the alphabetical list. The second set is used to assign draft2 position.
So, I need two RIHC managers to each send me (via email) a "random" sequence of the integers 1-12. The first two received will be used, and the results will be posted here, after which we can begin the selection process.
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| 17 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 13:03
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I got a set of numbers from Mike D. Still need another.
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| 18 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 14:36
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Mike D provided: 4 11 8 10 7 3 5 12 2 1 9 6
Tosh provided: 4 11 6 1 12 5 9 2 3 10 8 7
The resulting order for the draft2 is:
1 Dave R
2 Euros
3 slackjawed yokel
4 Skinneej
5 Tosh
6 KnicksFan
7 Mike D
8 Doug
9 hoopsklyce
10 Guru
11 Pacers Rule
12 lionprideguy
(Just what we needed - the first two league champs get the first and second choice. )
You may begin selecting your draft position now. Dave R is up. No clock.
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| 19 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 21:30
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I guess I'll take the 1st pick
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| 20 | Edgar
Dude
ID: 00458944
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 15:27
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Team EuroSmeagol elects to pick second.
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| 21 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 15:33
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I'm taking a look at RIHC results from last year, but not seeing a link to the previous season's results... can someone provide such a link? Just kinda curious to compare one year to another. Thanks!
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| 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 21:47
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link
You can also get there from the league icon on the blurb page.
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| 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 21:50
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Here is the link to the 2003-04 season
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| 24 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 23:04
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sorry for the delay..
I'll pick 3rd.
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| 25 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 06:38
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I'll go with the 4th pick. Surprise, huh?
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| 26 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 07:59
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Shocked. Last year there was one risk-taker and it panned out beautifully for them (Eurogollum). This year?
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| 27 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 11:06
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I would hate to ruin the pattern. I'll take fifth.
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| 28 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:04
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Mike D, here's a trade offer:
You can have my pick in the even number rounds, and I'll get your pick in the odd number rounds.
I'll take 6th
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| 29 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:38
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KF, I'm still considering that offer. I'll get back to you.
And I'll take boring 7th.
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| 30 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:47
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Time to shake things up. I'll pick 8th.
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| 31 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:51
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Gutsy move bro.
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| 32 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 16:02
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I know. I'm a rebel.
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| 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 22:26
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KnicksFan - you still need to register for the league draft at Kafenatid.net
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| 34 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:42
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9th pick for hoopsklyce
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| 35 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 14:17
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Ooh, this is pressure...
Thinking....
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| 36 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:16
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guru
I think I had to pick right next to you last year as well
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| 37 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:17
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Pressure? Come on, even with full court pressure, you're the one player in this league who is incapable of committing a "turnover". The rest of us have about a 50% chance of the same. =-)
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| 38 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:19
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I started out thinking that I would decide to pick 11th or 12th, but instead, I've decided to pick...
10TH!
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| 39 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:34
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Well THAT throws a wrench into things......
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| 40 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:39
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And, to really mix things up I'll go with 11th.
Man, I'm psyched about my draft position. Exactly what I would have chosen if I had first crack at it. On the positive side, at least this way I can begin to formulate excuses in the unlikely event I get my clock cleaned....
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| 41 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 15:41
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LPG, this way, you'll only have to pay attention to the draft half as often.
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| 42 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 16:32
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Well that had to be the most useless exercise I've ever had the pleasure of participating in. =-p
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 17:09
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That was the first time it's happened this way, in any sport.
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| 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 17:21
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How's this sound for draft timing:
The draft will officially start on Wednesday morning, Oct. 12. We will start with an 8 hour clock, but if too much clock is being used, we may have to shorten it during the draft. The draft clock will continue through weekends. There will be a clock moratorium each night from 11pm until 7am Eastern time. Picks can continue to be made during the moratorium period, but the clock will be paused. Those picking at the endpoints do not get a double clock. In addition, if anyone is already in arrears for a pick when their next pick is due, they do not necessarily get a second clock period. This will be subject to Commissioner discretion.
The draft will unofficially open for business on Tuesday, October 11th. If those at the beginning want to get started early, that option will be available.
I know that Pacers Rule has a potential availability issue during Oct. 16-18, so we will need to find a way to keep him tuned in during that time.
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| 45 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 18:20
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FYI, I've got a pretty flexible schedule and am using my computer most of the day, and thus should be able to help facilitate communication if anyone will be unplugged from The Matrix for a significant chunk of time (such as Pacers Rule from 16th-18th).
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| 46 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 21:29
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Sounds good Guru. Is that air you're breathing, Doug?
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| 47 | lionprideguy
Sustainer
ID: 906204
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 22:03
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That was absolutely hilarious. I didn't follow the thread at work today because I knew I wouldn't have any choice in the matter, but I love the anti-climactic humor in it.
Maybe this will help with my regular indecisiveness between which two players I'll pick. This time I can just take them both! Only half the time I have to be "on" and ready to pick, but twice the agonizing in the 22 picks inbtween as I see players I like leave the board.
FYI, I will now be offline and in airports and travel all of the day on Wednesday, October 12 until 10pm PST. This shouldn't matter since I have the last pick of the round, and so I won't hold anybody up on that first day. But just to let everybody know in case they're trying to reach me that day.
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| 48 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 23:09
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I only believe it to be air. In reality, it's only air in my mind. You might even say I'm an airhead.
On that note, my girlfriend asked me to cuddle. I told her "There is no spoon."
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| 49 | LPG in NorCal
ID: 5093883
Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 20:24
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Before we begin the formal draft in the next few days, a general message for anybody who might be interseted:
I'm looking to trade up to get somewhere in the first 9-10 picks. Now I know nobody is interested in the 12/13 slot overall since everybody passed on the option of picking there. But if you want to swap first/second round picks, I'll also trade down picks in a later even-numbered round where you would improve your pick then, too. Email me at the address here if anybody is interested.
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| 50 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 09, 2005, 20:37
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I'm in a similar situation, except that I'm potentially interested in trading DOWN in the second round in order to trade up in a couple later rounds, probably including the third. The second one would not have to be the fifth round, but could be the 7th, if you would prefer. I'm talking about someone with a mid-round pick, in all likelihood.
So you would get my 2nd round pick, which will be the #14 overall pick in the draft, and my 3rd round pick, which will be I believe pick #35. I would want your 2nd round and 3rd round, and then swap you picks sometime later in an odd round.
-PR-
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| 51 | Hubble
ID: 59562922
Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 14:26
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Pacers Rule, would you happend to have the final statistic of last year league?
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| 52 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 19:28
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Re: 42/43 I was surprised that it went in order. Last year in the AAA league I won it from the 12th position and I believe I had the 7th or 8th choice of draft slot. I figured after the top 5-6 players were off the board, I was better off getting two quality guys who were essentially both top 10 players instead of a near stud and a mid 2nd rounder. It nearly backfired as I expected to land Yao and Ray Allen with the 12th and 13th pick, but Yao was snagged at #11. I ended up with Allen and Pierce and was able to address the center position later in the draft. It worked out for me, but with the option to take a top 4 player this year, I will try to win it all again with a different strategy! ;)
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| 53 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 22:40
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I think it's an interesting topic and would love to reply, but would not be able to do so fully without discussing specific players, so I'll hold off until the rationale thread.
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| 54 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 23:31
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Agree, Doug. I was rehashing last year, but did not want to go any further to talk about how I would rank players this year. I'm looking forward to the draft. The 4th overall pick is not very difficult to plan for, but the 2nd/3rd round pick brings up about a dozen players I have to research. Should be fun.
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| 56 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 14:47
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will this be the link for our draft
http://www.kafenatid.net/on_the_clock/draft_home.php?league_id=17
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| 57 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 14:52
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LPG, I dropped you an e but it says you're ooo until Thu w/o email access. If that's for real, post something here and I'll call your cell... but if it's just a bs boilerplate message so that people don't hassle you too much while away then I'll look forward to your reply! ;-)
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| 58 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 14:52
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at the end it should say "id=53"
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 15:46
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We should move all discussion to the draft discussion thread.
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