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Subject: RIHC 2007-08: let's get started
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 22:36
It’s time to begin organizing the RIHC leagues.
The RIHC managers have all been invited and have accepted. My guidelines for succession were to give initial priority to the top 4 RIHC teams, the teams finishing 1-2 in each AAA league, the winner of each AA league (2), and me. In addition to those 10 teams, the teams finishing 5-6 in the RIHC and the teams finishing 3rd in each AAA league were on the bubble. Because two invitees declined (skinneej and Flying Polack), all four bubble teams received invitations.
So, here is the list of the 12 RIHC managers for 2007-08:
Guru
Mike D
coldwater coyotes
Footwedge
Mike V
Mark L
Species
Dave R
tommyd
JL
sR
Jason
The first 5 names listed are returning from last year’s RIHC. The next five are moving up from the AAA leagues, and the last two names are the winners of each AA league.
I will open up a thread for qualifying leagues in a moment. After that, we can begin discussing potential rules changes in this thread.
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 22:41
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Here are the basics:
Roster Positions (12/3/2): PG, SG, G, G, PF, SF, F, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories (8): FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, ST, BLK
Max games per position: 84
Roster moves: Daily
I figured it would be good to recap the rules regarding the injury slots:
Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.
An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).
Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.
If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.
If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.
Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.
The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.
No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.
As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 10:19
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I'm not aware of any need for rules changes. The basic rules have been the same since inception, and the injury rules have generally worked well for the past two years.
But, I'm always open to suggestions.
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| 3 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 17:54
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I thought the Trades Completed category was added!
I'm ready to rock and roll.
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| 4 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 20:10
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TM = Trades Made
Yes, I've argued hard for it in the past Species. Alas, it never makes it too far even with the crazies like you and me in full support.
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| 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 15:15
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I just sent the Yahoo and kafenatid.net registration info to all managers. Please check your email.
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| 6 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 17:53
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Mike D, I think they might add TMs when they add UEs in baseball and RTs in hoops. Uhmm yeah, Umpire Ejections and Referee Technicals. Can you imagine having to have a spot for an umpire or ref?
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| 7 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 18:58
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No, but I've heard of some strange rules in leagues before----technical fouls being one of them. No Sheed in that league!
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| 8 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 13:34
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- When are we planning on getting started?
- Am I correct in assuming we are using position eligibility as determined solely by Yahoo?
- If so, if position eligibility can be posted that would be great.
- Lastly, and I'm sure Mike D has proposed this before (heh), but can draft position priority be traded? i.e. - if I have the 2nd choice of draft position, can I include that value in a trade?
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| 9 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 14:01
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Yahoo position eligibilities as of 10/9:
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/Yahoo-10-9-07.xls
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| 10 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 14:08
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Yes, Yahoo eligibilities are used.
Let's get started on the draft position selection round.
I need two different managers to email me a set of integers from 1-12, randomly ordered.
I will start with the following alphabetical list of managers' Gurupie names:
coldwater coyotes
Dave R
Footwedge
Guru
Jason
JL
Mark L
Mike D
Mike V
Species
sR
tommyd
The first set of numbers received will be used to resequence this list. The second set will assign selection order to that list.
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| 11 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 14:30
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[8] - Draft position priority can be traded. (That same could effectively be accomplished by trading all draft picks, so why not)
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 15:01
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Two sets received. Species sent 11 9 4 2 12 7 1 10 6 3 5 8 Mike D sent 10 2 5 3 4 9 8 11 1 7 12 6 Here is the resulting order for the draft position selection round: 1 Dave R
2 Guru
3 Footwedge
4 sR
5 Species
6 Jason
7 Mike D
8 JL
9 Mike V
10 Mark L
11 tommyd
12 coldwater coyotes We can begin whenever Dave R is ready.
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| 13 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 17:27
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Excellent! About right where I'd like to be.
I called Dave R but he was going to the airport. I don't know if he was just picking up/dropping off or going on a trip himself....either way I'll get a hold of him and let him know he's up.
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| 14 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:09
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FYI - Dave R is on his way home and is not likely to be online tonight at all. He'll need some time tomorrow to get his bearings but I will bug him to make a choice sometime tomorrow. :)
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| 15 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:46
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Mark L - you still need to register for the league at kafenatid.net. Instructions were in the same email as the one with Yahoo registration info.
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| 16 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 09:25
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Just tossing this out, if anyone wants the option of having the 1st choice of draft position, I am willing to deal it.
Send me an email.
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| 17 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 20:14
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No sense in delaying this any longer, I will take the 5th Pick
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| 18 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 22:21
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I'll pick 7th
Footwedge is up.
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| 19 | E'ville Destiny
Leader
ID: 29017810
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 22:27
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I'll take 6th. I wouldn't know what to do with a top pick.
Footwedge
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| 20 | s R
ID: 861898
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 02:05
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I'll take 3rd:
1.
2.
3. s R
4.
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
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| 21 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:06
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I don't ever remember an Invitational league where the first pick was avoided this long.
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| 22 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:48
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Guru 15 - whoops, missed that I hadn't done that. Will go to kafenatid today.
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| 23 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 11:48
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Fourth:
1.
2.
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
Jason up.
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| 24 | Jason
ID: 249311112
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 14:37
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I'll take 2nd:
1.
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
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| 25 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 15:38
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I just checked the brief (4 year) history of teams that had the first pick in the RIHC:
2003-04: Coldwater Coyotes picked Tim Duncan. He finished 9th that season. He still got invited back, based on a great stretch drive and some attrition by managers who finished higher.
Dave R was the league winner, who got stuck with Kevin Garnett with the 3rd pick.
2004-05: Coldwater Coyotes picked Garnett this time. He finished 7th that year, and dropped to AAA.
Swish and Edgar won that year. They picked Lebron with the 9th pick in the first round.
2005-06: Dave R took LeBron with the first pick this year. He finished in 10th place, and dropped to AAA.
Mike D won the league that year. He took Duncan with the 7th pick.
2006-07: RSF took LeBron with the first pick. He finished 11th.
I won, after taking Wade with the 8th pick in round 1.
No wonder nobody wants it!
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| 26 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 15:43
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lol.....the way it's going, coldwater coyotes, with the last draft pick position choice, could end up with it again!
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| 27 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 16:27
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Man, this is a tough one. But I was expecting to pick # 7......so I guess I'll take # 8. Plus I'm scared by post 25 (lol).
1.
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8. Mike D
9.
10.
11.
12.
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| 28 | JL
ID: 4921115
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:02
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Ugh, I had a hard time deciding which direction I wanted to go with this...
1. JL
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8. Mike D
9.
10.
11.
12.
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| 29 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:22
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The 9th pick takes #9. That's what I expected, what's all the chatter about?
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| 30 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:40
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LMAO! Mike V brings us back to normalcy.
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| 31 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 00:22
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1. JL
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8. Mike D
9. Mike V
10.
11.
12.
Mark L is up.
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| 32 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:29
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1. JL
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8. Mike D
9. Mike V
10. Mark L
11.
12.
tommyd on the clock.
FYI, I am registered on Kafenatid for the draft.
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| 33 | tommyd
ID: 326243012
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:04
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11th is cool with me.
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| 35 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:55
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So here is the final order:
1. JL
2. Jason
3. s R
4. Species
5. Dave R
6. Footwedge
7. Guru
8. Mike D
9. Mike V
10. Mark L
11. tommyd
12. coldwater coyotes
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| 36 | JL
ID: 49471312
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:48
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So when will we start the draft?
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| 37 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:01
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In general, I like to wait as late as possible, without risking finishing too late.
The NBA season starts Tuesday, Oct. 30, so I'd like to target a finish date around Friday, Oct. 26. That allows for a few days of leeway if we get unexpectedly bogged down.
In recent Invitational league drafts for baseball and football, we've been averaging around 24 picks per day. This league requires only 180 total picks (15 rounds, 12 players per round.) If we maintain that average pace, we should only require 7-8 days. On that basis, we could wait until this coming Thursday to start.
But just to provide an extra margin, I think we should start on Wednesday. So I'll plan to start the clock on Wednesday morning.
If there is interest, I can activate the draft on Tuesday, without a clock. But I do think that we can wait until Wednesday.
I like to use a 6 hour clock, with a moratorium from 1am to 7am ET. I know that the pause times extend late for easterners and end early for westerners, but with a 6 hour pause, this still provides a 12 hour window for any pick which extends through the pause period, which should be ample.
Sound like a plan?
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| 38 | JL
ID: 36981313
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:08
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Works for me.
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| 39 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:16
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JL can't wait to make that no-brainer 1st pick......Boumte-Boumte is available.
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| 40 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 10:38
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Starting Wednesday works for me as well.
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| 41 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:05
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I would prefer Wednesday as well. Going to LA this weekend so access will be spotty.
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| 42 | tommyd
ID: 326243012
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 13:09
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Wednesday is good for me too.
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| 43 | Jason
ID: 5086298
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 16:15
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Wednesday it's OK for me too.
One important thing: I live in Hungay, but I will try to organize my days not slow the draft. It would be problematic for me to draft from 6pm to 1am ET, because I am sleeping at this period.:)So, it would be comfortable for me and quicker for everybody, if the previous manager pick up his player until 6pm.
And I would like to know what is the method to mark somebody to pick up my players (in behalf of me, off course:) when I am not near internet. Could you help me?
Thank's Jason
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| 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 16:46
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The draft software allows you to authorize anyone in the draft to be a DP (designated picker). By default, I am automatically a DP for everyone.
If you set up a queue, your DP (and I) can only see it if you mark it as "available". You can specify whether you want the entire queue to be available, or just the top name. You can also specify whether your DPs may select for you using "free form" - in other words, typing in a name that is not preset in your queue. You might want to use this feature if your are going to be calling in to someone to make your pick.
I will activate the draft this evening so that people can begin to set up queues and/or DPs, if needed for tomorrow. Once the draft is activated, picks can be made, although there is no need (or expectation) to start drafting until tomorrow morning.
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| 45 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:19
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Jason - I would strongly recommend, especially being near the end of a round, that if you set up a queue and only want ONE pick to be taken from that queue, that you specify that either via an email to your designated picker or posting it in the draft thread. For example:
"I have set a queue for Round 4 only. Please let me adjust my queue for Round 5 before picking"
.....some people have put a queue of players from one position (i.e. PG) for one round, but a designated picker ended up taking the top 2 available players in your queue since they didn't have instructions to the contrary.
Good luck from Eastern Europe!
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