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Subject: The future of TSN Ultimate?
Posted by: deejay
- Sustainer [501182710] Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 10:21
This just caught my eye on the tsn forum... posted by a admin...
We're at a decision point with Hoops - there are serious questions about whether this game, and Ultimate should continue next year, or are we better off spending our programming resources elsewhere. Draft and Trade Hoops may have a better chance as a growth opportunity.
So this be the last year, ouch.
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| 118 | Dunkenstein
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Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 02:20
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#112 Weykool
I agree that reworking the pricing formula is not the primary answer to the problems with Ultimate Hoops, it's just one area that can be easily implemented with no cost to TSN.
As I see it, based on the stagnant and minimal revenues of Ultimate Hoops, I'm not sure that TSN can afford to run an effective advertising campaign that will attract more customer dollars than they'll have to spend on the advertising.
Similarly, limiting managers to five teams is also going to have a negative impact on TSN's bottom line. As the number of managers have shrunk over the past several years, the only thing that has kept total ownership (and revenues) somewhat stable are managers who buy multiple teams. It's going to be hard to convince TSN to decrease their income stream.
I agree with you that customer retention, both of vets and newbies, needs to be Goal #1.
Improving customer service is always the stated goal of any service company, it's just not that easy to accomplish unless you have a dedicated staff. It's kinda like politicians who say they're going to decrease government spending by "cutting waste". It sounds great, but once they're in office, they have a hard time actually finding where that "waste" is.
I'm sure if asked by TSN, the vets on this board could put together a strategic manual to help rookie managers.
In a similar vein, we could set up something like GMD for newcomers, where a couple of vets in each group mentor the newcomers on moves and provide a forum to answer their questions. This could be done either here or on TSN's board.
Another suggestion to encourage rookies to join and enjoy their inaugural season might be to have TSN set up a prize structure open only to rookies. This would be structured in a fashion similar to the top 100 prizes, only with smaller dollar prizes and a lot of "token" prizes. I'm not even sure that the prizes themselves are as important as being recognized as the Rookie of the Year or one of the Top Ten Rookies.
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| 119 | Dilo
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Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 04:57
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I'm one of the many Europeans that play and pay without beeing able to gain any money back. I think that says all about how much prices mean for someone who loves the nature of this game. I think the Top 50 of all Managers would play even if there would be no prices (maybe then double and triple teams and identities would vanish). The game is good as it is. I think the price formula is ok, when you learn how to manage it, but with the Top 100 teams almost all reaching 90 Million this year the player prices should be lower at the beginning. I think when you have more players, that are able to put up 30+ at a cap of 5 to 6 millon at the start of the season, the urge to trade after one special player would be minimized. The other effect would be that you could stop earlier playing for money and concentrade on the schedule and effectiveness of a player.
This game frustrates me the same way it pleases me (I play only with one team, so some decisions ruin the whole season), but I hope me and my european friends of the fight-club are able to compete and exchange thoughts with all of you next year and the following.
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| 120 | Winston
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Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 06:42
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I can only offer my observations on why I believe TSN
UM losing out on international managers.
1) oversea managers are charge the same (e.g. via international credit card) but not eligible for prize. This sound very unfair for most oversea managers, I don't know if/how this can be solved but this is their job to find a way in my opinion.
2) The pay to play and possible play back in cash price make the site/game classified as "gamble" and
access to game site sometime block by firewall as "game" or "gamble" site. This will not helps to attract young/underage NBA fans to play this game.
3) Game time trading make it extra difficulties for managers outside US to compete in equal level as NBA games start in odd hours in Europe/Asia.
For me I play this game mainly for GMD and for the game unique format. Always one team in Ultimate and no team in free basic hoop for a few years already. Season is too short in free game and I very dislike the option to buy trades simply.
I hope they can still offer the game in coming season or simply sale the game to other operator that can run the game in other business model.
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| 121 | G
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Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 23:53
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James, L.(F) CLE 55.5 -$50,000
Do I really need to say anything more?
The best fantasy player in hoops lost -50K tonight. Just in case you didn't know, the best player in hoops, the guy capable of scoring more points than any other player, played tonight.
If you are new to this game and have LBJ playing and you lost -50K on a night he played how can you not ask WTF? Even if you aren't new, you know some of the reasons but you still have to say WTF? There is no other logical way to respond.
A healthy LBJ simply can't lose 50K on a night he plays for any reason in any hoops game that hopes to survive in the long term. It flys in the face of all things good and right in fantasy land. End of story.
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| 122 | Dave R
SuperDude
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Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 03:41
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Well actually G, it is a little bit understandable, and I'm not advocating the move.
Lebron does have to go now. Last night would have been his swan song.
Chris Paul, comes on board, arguable maybe a game early, but those planning on James => Paul could pull it off last night, instead of waiting until Lebron played.
Would I have done it, no. But it isn't totally irrational. Using 15 day averages Paul outpoints Lebron. Reality, Lebron 45.5, Paul 38.
Lebron => Amare could have been feasible as well.
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| 123 | yesno
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Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 07:17
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G-121-Agreed. The point is not figuring out why Lebron went down, everyone on this site knows why he went down. The point is that the casual manager doesn't want to spend their time trying to figure out who's price might go up or down on a given night. Your original idea (#104) of not having a player lose money on the night they play would eliminate this frustration for the average manager.
DaveR - 115 - "Why is football and baseball able to be a success and hoops can't cut it?"
I think there are two answers to this question.
1. The obvious answer - Baseball and football are more popular than basketball in real life.
2. There is much more luck involved in TSN baseball and football. In TSN basketball it is more like 90% skill and 10% luck, that's why the same managers are in the top 50 each year for hoops. I think the key to getting more people to play the TSN hoops game is for TSN to add a bigger element of luck. The easiest way to add more luck to the game is to make it more difficult for manager's to increase RV. If everyone had $50,000,000 all year then I'm sure luck would be a large part of the game. That's why I agree with G in post #104, but I also think TSN should take it one step further and limit gains or loses to $100K per night or do something to make RV gains smaller in general. The game needs to be more about picking players for points instead of picking players just to gain $.
For those of you that think TSN needs to advertise, or have better customer service, or mentor new player to make this work. Why do you think they don't need to do these things for baseball and football?
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| 124 | Weykool
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Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 10:17
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For those of you that think TSN needs to advertise, or have better customer service, or mentor new player to make this work. Why do you think they don't need to do these things for baseball and football?
The answer is very simple.
The numbers for baseball and football have been declining faster than the numbers for hoops.
While I agree with your assessment as to why hoops cant get the numbers that Bases and FB...the truth is not advertising is hurting all of the games.
Hoops will just be the first domino to fall.
Keep in mind there are plenty of players like myself who come to TSN for hoops and stay to play the other two.
When I am forced to find another site to play hoops I will not be back to play the other games at TSN.
On a side note I used TSN to set up my office poll for march madness and the site is terrible.
To see another manager's picks you have to click on each region seperately.
Just another example of TSN doing things half azzed.
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| 125 | Kal Zakath
ID: 55111287
Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 11:22
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121 - G
Also remember that for most teams, it is becoming a choice of which of a couple of studs to have, rather than having the luxury of holding through schedules.
Most of the players on this board have 80+ million to spend on players - someone else with a lower priced must sell might need to sell LeBron to be able to afford the replacement they want for that player.
123 - yesno
Not sure that it's the luck factor so much as to the Baseball game. You just have a much larger manager pool there. The baseball game still requires several months (usually about 3-4) to really get a handle on it.
The football game, yes, will agree with you. With only 17 scoring periods, luck plays a huge factor.
I've always said that in all of these games, skill will get you within the top x%, luck will sort out what happens among those top % as far as WWR goes.
Here, even if that % is as high as 5%, you are talking about luck sorting out the top WWR 130.
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| 126 | reebbertxx
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Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 11:42
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Putting a cap on how much a player can make or lose on a given day will not help the problem. If anything putting a cap on price increases will make rv MORE important because it will be harder to gain.
I do like G's idea of a player not losing on a day he plays. This would help with injured players mostly. My guess is it would mess with TSN's pricing structure because of the buy/sells not counting towards price movement. Do they add them into the players next day off or do they not count at all.
I agree with weycool it's not just hoops that is down in participation it is just the most magnified. Customer service is pretty much non existent even in the baseball game which is just starting.
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| 127 | G
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Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 15:39
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Kal,
I don't need an explanation on why Lebron went down 50K nor does anyone else participating in this thread. What I am suggesting is the avarage/new player sees what is in their mind an illogical loss happening and will not stick around long enough to learn why it would make sense for this to happen. If people play this game for fun but are frustrated more often than not they can go golfing instead. That is what that sport is for.
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| 128 | Yehosh
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ID: 181082023
Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 16:30
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Part of the reason James lost 50K and not, lets say, 20K is because it was a "slow" trading day. I think that is one thing in the pricing formula many of us have been advocating change for.
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| 129 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 15:16
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Posted on the TSN baseball boards today:
kings33 wrote:
Let me sum up this thread in a word... no.
There is absolutely ZERO discussion of killing Ultimate baseball next year. I have every intention of bringing it back for 2009.
Enjoy the season!
-David
GM, Fantasy Sports
Weykool:
Does this mean the same thread in the hoops board that hoops will not be back would be answered with a YES?
Kings.....can you address the situation with the lack of advertising?
I know there are restictions that the various sports impose but it seems a generic "Best fantasy sports game on the net" could turn this sinking ship around.
Kings 33:
Hoops... it has been considered to cut Ultimate hoops, but right now, it's still on the board for 08-09. This is consistent with the comments I made on that board at the beginning of the hoops season.
Advertising - we're actually doing a fair bit of it, but agreed, not as much as we could do. We've been focused more these past few months on improving the games look & feel to the point where we'd feel better about marketing leading to retention.
What would help me, as we do more, is tell me what other sites do you frequent. If we can find the audience where "our kind of player" hangs out, we can be more efficient than overpriced buys on general sites.
-David
So it seems as of right now there is a stay of execution.
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| 130 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 18:14
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guys I wish I had better news... but an admin(coutram) just posted this on TSN forum...
It is in the air whether the Ultimate Hoops game will be brought back. It would be a business decision if it wasn't.
That doesnt sound good.
Maybe it is time to stick our heads together and put something together ourselves?
Guru? Dave?
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| 131 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 18:16
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Hmm, well this has effectively ruined my night / summer.
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| 132 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 18:18
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Sorry about that Senator, it doesnt put a smile on my face either.
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| 133 | qwert
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Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 19:42
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I'll be sad to see the game go if it is in fact going, but hey...now I have 24 more hours a day during the winter to live my life.
In some ways, I'll be glad to have TSN pull the bandaid off for me rather than making me move on on my own volition.
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| 134 | Dunkenstein
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ID: 039541913
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 13:44
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deejay, could you post a kink to coutram's post? Thanks.
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| 135 | rolf1001
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Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 16:21
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Here's the link:
http://forums.sportingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=3276879#3276879
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| 136 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 18:35
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134
Sorry missed that post before, Dunk.
But Rolf already helped you I see.
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| 137 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 19:04
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The approximate number of teams the last four years have been:
3200, 2800, 3000, and 2600.
From 3200 to 2600 is a loss 18.75%
From what I have been reading on the the baseball boards the number of teams for that game have dropped from 20,000 to 7,800 a 61% decrease.
I dont know the numbers but I know football has had huge declines as well.
The problem isnt hoops.....the problem is TSN.
They have basically driven their fantasy games into the ground.
No advertising, poor customer service, an endless rotation of executives.
The rumor is the new VP of fantasy sports at TSN was an editor for a fashion magazine.
I have no idea how true that is but it would not surprise me one bit.
My only hope is that TSN decides to sell the rights to TSN to a company who knows what they are doing and restore it to former glory.
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| 138 | The Bandwagon
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Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 21:48
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I signed up for baseball for the first time in atleast 5 years, and I struggled to field a team. I was taking players that didn't get drafted in a 12 team, 25 man roster in yahoo. It was very frustrating, and I consider myself an above average fantasy baseball manager. The deep sleepers I had for my yahoo drafts, were 5+ million in TSN. With 14 slots to fill, average price per player is 3.57 mill to fill your roster. I almost didn't play because it was super frustrating. If I felt this way, think of how the casual baseball fan, or rookie felt.
For most of the hardcore managers we think its like this every year, and cheapies will emerge, and they do, but for the casual fan, not being able to pick up one or two of your favorite players kills the game. That's why I think TSN's customers are going down year after year.
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| 139 | wolfer
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Sun, Apr 20, 2008, 18:22
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I also agree that TSN has issues over and above the pricing, but here is some food for thought. Of all the basketball games out there, I believe that the closest to TSN is Sandbox's starting 5 (daily price moves, trades added weekly, 10 players on a roster for both games). The manager who won Sandbox's game had a final roster worth 67.63 million. The same 10 players cost 82.18 million on TSN.
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| 141 | The Bandwagon
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Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 15:05
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Wow, thats a huge difference!
I felt like you had to be studied up like Peter Gammons before you could field a TSN baseball team this season.
If a casual rookie is looking for a fantasy baseball game to play and chooses TSN, he will be very discouraged. The way the pricing was set this season, you had to be a hardcore baseball fan to find the cheapies, or wait a few days to enter your team.
The stud players are priced right, its the mid to lower tier players that are flawed IMO. Lasting Milledge 5.2 mill, c'mon. That's 1.6 million over the average price per player (3.57 million) needed to fill 14 slots with 50 million. How many casual fans know who Lastings Milledge is?
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| 142 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 18:29
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I think the bigger problem for baseball is that the price changes are out of wack.
On one of my teams I will be going over the 60 million mark this evening.
If the current rates continues I will have 80 million by the end of June.
By the ASB I will have 85 million. (I read somewhere that 85 million was the ideal amount of RV).
Because it is relatively easy to make RV if you know what you are doing the higher prices of players will have little or no impact on those managers.
This is also adding to the divide between the casual manager and the hard core manager.
TSN should have lowered the prices on the players and made it more difficult to make RV.
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| 143 | deejay
ID: 154481315
Tue, May 20, 2008, 17:51
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from tsn board...
I'll make it official... We're not changing the ownership info for playoffs, but for next year's (the 08-09 season) Hoops games... Challenge and Ultimate... which will both exist... you will have full ownership and full roster view capabilities, like Baseball has now.
Draft & Trade Hoops is also on the drawing board, but at this stage, let's call that more tentative than guaranteed.
-David
GM, Fantasy Games
So game's on :)
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| 144 | Farn
Leader
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Tue, May 20, 2008, 17:54
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nice. I have a ton of credits to use. I may field 30 teams next year.
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| 146 | Pica
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ID: 161141312
Fri, May 23, 2008, 10:54
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Awesome. Can't wait.
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| 147 | hills
ID: 74281917
Sat, May 24, 2008, 18:36
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Super news--I'd like to play D&T--never played D&T hoops before so I'd need some pointers from the experts
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| 149 | deejay
ID: 8443287
Wed, May 28, 2008, 18:48
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from tsn board:
Ok guys, i know the playoffs season isn't even over yet, but I have a thought I want to float by you all.
There are issues in regards to price movers where game players with more than one team can have an undue influence on the market. This has occured to greater effect as the game has had less participation these last few years.
What I'm proposing is that we modify the formula so that an owner can only affect 1 trade on the market. each day.
that is, the owner with 30 teams, if he adds Kobe to all 30 teams, that's only going to register as 1 add in regards to market movement. If he only trades into Kobe on one of those 30 teams, that's also 1 add in the market.
This puts each owner on equal footing, and prevents any single owner from having too much effect on the overall market.
Thoughts? Feel free to post here or via PM
-David
GM, Fantasy Games
sportingnews.com
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| 150 | deejay
ID: 298251111
Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 10:08
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Ultimate should be released today according to kings33 on the TSN forum...
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| 151 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 15:02
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08-09 Ultimate Hoops released.
Early prices:
Player Team Next Game GP PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% TPG TD MPG Total /G Last Δ Buy For:
James, L. (F) CLE 10/28 BOS 75 30.0 7.9 7.2 1.8 1.1 48 3.4 7 40.4 4044 53.9 .00 $12.20M
Paul, C.
Paul, Chris
(G) NO 10/29 GS 80 21.1 4.0 11.6 2.7 0.1 49 2.5 1 37.6 4017.5 50.2 .00 $11.40M
To buy Chris Paul of New Orleans Hornets for $11.40M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Howard, D.
(F,C) ORL 10/29 @ATL 82 20.7 14.2 1.3 0.9 2.1 60 3.2 0 37.7 3635.5 44.3 .00 $11.35M
To buy Dwight Howard of Orlando Magic for $11.35M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Bryant, K. (G) LAL 10/28 @POR 82 28.3 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.5 46 3.1 0 38.9 3684.5 44.9 .00 $10.67M
To buy Kobe Bryant of Los Angeles Lakers for $10.67M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Wade, D. (G) MIA 10/29 NY 51 24.6 4.2 6.9 1.7 0.7 47 4.4 0 38.2 2065.5 40.5 .00 $10.25M
To buy Dwyane Wade of Miami Heat for $10.25M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Duncan, T. (F,C) SA 10/29 @PHO 78 19.3 11.3 2.8 0.7 1.9 50 2.3 0 34.0 3246 41.6 .00 $10.20M
To buy Tim Duncan of San Antonio Spurs for $10.20M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Garnett, K. (F) BOS 10/28 @CLE 71 18.8 9.2 3.4 1.4 1.3 54 1.9 0 32.8 2889 40.7 .00 $10.20M
To buy Kevin Garnett of Boston Celtics for $10.20M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Davis, B. (G) LAC 10/29 @LAL 82 21.8 4.7 7.6 2.3 0.5 43 2.8 3 39.0 3508.5 42.8 .00 $10.00M
To buy Baron Davis of Los Angeles Clippers for $10.00M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Ming, Y. (C) HOU 10/29 @MEM 55 22.0 10.8 2.4 0.5 2.0 51 3.3 0 37.2 2274.5 41.4 .00 $10.00M
To buy Yao Ming of Houston Rockets for $10.00M, please click the desired position below.
C cancel [x]
Gasol, P. (F,C) LAL 10/28 @POR 66 18.9 8.4 3.2 0.5 1.5 53 1.9 0 35.6 2451 37.1 .00 $9.75M
To buy Pau Gasol of Los Angeles Lakers for $9.75M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Nowitzki, D. (F) DAL 10/30 @HOU 77 23.6 8.6 3.5 0.7 0.9 48 2.1 1 36.0 3117.5 40.5 .00 $9.75M
To buy Dirk Nowitzki of Dallas Mavericks for $9.75M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Brand, E. (F,C) PHI 10/29 @TOR 8 17.6 8.0 2.0 0.4 1.9 45 2.1 0 34.3 260.5 32.6 .00 $9.70M
To buy Elton Brand of Philadelphia 76ers for $9.70M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Nash, S. (G) PHO 10/29 SA 81 16.9 3.5 11.1 0.7 0.1 50 3.6 0 34.3 3188 39.4 .00 $9.60M
To buy Steve Nash of Phoenix Suns for $9.60M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Bosh, C. (F) TOR 10/29 PHI 67 22.3 8.7 2.6 0.9 1.0 49 2.3 0 36.2 2581 38.5 .00 $9.50M
To buy Chris Bosh of Toronto Raptors for $9.50M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Smith, J. (G,F) ATL 10/29 ORL 81 17.2 8.2 3.4 1.5 2.8 46 3.0 1 35.5 3203 39.5 .00 $9.50M
To buy Josh Smith of Atlanta Hawks for $9.50M, please click the desired position below.
G F cancel [x]
Stoudemire, A. (F,C) PHO 10/29 SA 79 25.2 9.1 1.5 0.8 2.1 59 2.2 0 33.9 3381 42.8 .00 $9.50M
To buy Amare Stoudemire of Phoenix Suns for $9.50M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Jefferson, A.
(F,C) MIN 10/8 @SEA 82 21.1 11.1 1.4 0.9 1.5 50 2.0 0 35.6 3227 39.4 .00 $9.45M
To buy Al Jefferson of Minnesota Timberwolves for $9.45M, please click the desired position below.
F C cancel [x]
Anthony, C. (F) DEN 10/29 UTA 77 25.7 7.4 3.4 1.3 0.5 49 3.3 0 36.4 3003.5 39.0 .00 $9.30M
To buy Carmelo Anthony of Denver Nuggets for $9.30M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Iverson, A. (G) DEN 10/29 UTA 82 26.4 3.0 7.2 2.0 0.2 46 3.0 0 41.8 3386.5 41.3 .00 $9.27M
To buy Allen Iverson of Denver Nuggets for $9.27M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Boozer, C.
(F) UTA 10/29 @DEN 81 21.1 10.4 2.9 1.2 0.5 55 2.6 1 34.9 3246 40.1 .00 $9.20M
To buy Carlos Boozer of Utah Jazz for $9.20M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Marion, S. (F) MIA 10/29 NY 62 15.7 10.4 2.2 2.0 1.4 51 1.4 0 37.3 2436 39.3 .00 $9.20M
To buy Shawn Marion of Miami Heat for $9.20M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Williams, D. (G) UTA 10/29 @DEN 82 18.8 3.0 10.5 1.1 0.3 51 3.4 0 37.3 3323.5 40.5 .00 $9.15M
To buy Deron Williams of Utah Jazz for $9.15M, please click the desired position below.
G cancel [x]
Butler, C. (F) WAS 10/29 @NJ 58 20.3 6.7 4.9 2.2 0.4 47 2.6 3 40.0 2314 39.9 .00 $9.00M
To buy Caron Butler of Washington Wizards for $9.00M, please click the desired position below.
F cancel [x]
Camby, M. (C) LAC 10/29 @LAL 79 9.2 13.1 3.3 1.1 3.6 45 1.5 2 35.0 3419.5 43.3 .00 $9.00M
To buy Marcus Camby of Los Angeles Clippers for $9.00M, please click the desired position below.
C cancel [x]
Kidd, J. (G) DAL 10/30 @HOU 80 10.8 7.5 10.1 1.7 0.3 38 3.3 13 36.4 3387 42.3 .00 $9.00M
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| 152 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 15:08
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i dont really remember but that seems higher?
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| 153 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 15:24
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I think the prices are the same or possibly lower. Garnett was the most expensive player to start last year at 12.00 million and his average per game the previous year was 49.0. So the cost per point of TSN production for at least the top two players this year is lower than that.
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| 154 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 15:27
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I am prob more remembering the end of the year prices. Didnt seem to be as many then at 9+ or 10+ but gravity was a large factor in that
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| 155 | deejay
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Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 18:05
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I havent looked very well, but nevertheless the prices seem a little too steep to me.
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| 156 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 09:00
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The prices look alright to me.
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| 157 | WonderB
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ID: 241053812
Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 23:39
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nbc sports - sandbox.com seems to have a game very similar to ultimate from a quick read of the rules.
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| 158 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 14:31
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That sandbox game appears to be stale - the promo pages refer to the 2005 season.
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| 159 | WonderB
ID: 3289227
Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 16:06
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hmm
not like i had an old bookmark. i started at cbs sports and quickly found that site.
you think they would take it down.
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| 160 | wolfer
ID: 25521311
Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 17:01
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Re 157
Yes it does, but the price changes are not as wild. See my post at 139.
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| 161 | mark
ID: 3404529
Thu, Sep 25, 2008, 10:29
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Is there anywhere where you can get the full list of players/prices
w/o signing up for TSN? I haven't decided if i'm playing yet this
year, but am going on a trip... plenty of time for pouring over
player lists :)
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| 162 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Sep 25, 2008, 10:53
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Sign up for the basic game (Fantasy Hoops Challenge: Season 1). It's free, and the draft prices are the same.
or
Wait until next week, and I should have the prices loaded up in the sortable stats. Hopefully by midweek.
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| 163 | Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Sep 27, 2008, 14:34
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Wow, there are a lot of great bargains this year. I bet there's going to be a lot of differentiation in initial rosters.
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| 164 | qwert
ID: 357281518
Sun, Sep 28, 2008, 23:34
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sessions or ridnour? or both?
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| 165 | deejay
ID: 308122513
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 06:05
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or neither?
Their Coach is a fantasy nightmare I heard :)
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| 166 | qwert
ID: 357281518
Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 23:02
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their schedule and price are not.
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| 167 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:10
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where is the downloadable schedule for the whole season with the coloring?
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| 168 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:39
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Full Season schedule
Click on the link above the schedule for the spreadsheet version.
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| 169 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 13:51
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thanks alot
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| 170 | Johnny Sue
ID: 27949718
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 14:20
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Looks like only Sacramento has a good schedule for the first full month. Anybody there worth drafting?
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