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Subject: M.L. King Day: King James version - 1/21 Action
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 09:28
I know it's early for an action thread, but most of today's 13 games are in the afternoon. If you have roster management needs, you need to attend to them early!
King James returns to action after a 3-day layoff. His is one of the three night games. |
| 2 | bd
ID: 31281917
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 13:22
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SA vs Charlotte ... watching plays on gamecast is confusing as there are J. Richardsons starting for both teams
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| 3 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 14:04
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perkins has about a hundred points in the first half
boston kicking it in to gear
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| 4 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 14:56
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pass the ball tough juice. double doubles are for chumps.
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| 5 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 15:17
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The Charlotte rollercoaster continues
Wallace Jrich combined for 89 minutes, 10-36 from the field and 8 turnovers
but all this really means is that they'll combine for 120 tsnp on Wednesday, so I'm not worried
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| 6 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 15:18
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58.0 together, could be worse imo. The Spurs are a fantasy party pooper.
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| 7 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 15:19
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52.0 I mean, that was a typo.
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| 8 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 16:01
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#6
Agreed. I never read anything into games against the Spurs.
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| 9 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 16:14
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chris paul fait le suck
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| 10 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 16:22
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yes sorry qwert, everything I touch sucks.
Bought him today.
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| 11 | Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 16:36
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Of course the brainstorm that brought on Sam Cassell is being lauded all over this land
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| 12 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 16:59
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another big game for Ming
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| 13 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 18:30
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Dunk Contest should be fun this year...
Moon,Dwight,Gay and Geral Green.
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| 14 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 19:07
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That was a nice dump Cassell took today.
Blooki should get some sort of an award for calling Robinson's 24 TSNP.
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| 15 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 19:20
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SU, atleast you can smile about the Gerald Wallace news. I think you're the only manager in the TSN universe that doesn't have him ;)
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| 16 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 19:36
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Haha, actually I can't even smile about that.
I was going to buy Wallace but went with Mo Williams instead because:
A) I would have had to use an extra trade to sell Wallace after his game on the 19th to free up a slot for Bynum.
B) I thought he'd start leaking with his already high ownership combined with historical inaccuracy.
So then Bynum gets injured (while Gerald seemingly averages a consistent 80 tsnp/g) meaning I wouldn't have even had to sell him in the first place, and I would have gained over a million on him (and then of course Mo Williams sucks / gets injured / loses money / comes back and sucks more). And if I had decided to stick with the original plan and sell him on the 19th, it would have been perfect with him going down his next game anyway.
Let's see who else I can ruin tonight.
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| 17 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 21:46
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#13
Glad to see Dwight competing again. Hope he wins it this year, as he was robbed last year.
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| 18 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 22:09
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Kobe Bryant is awesome!
Linas Kleiza sucks!
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| 19 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 22:10
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Buy Kleiza- PSA :)
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| 20 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:06
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Wow, Kidd down 120K. Impatient managers.
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| 21 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:13
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-140k if we are being accurate.
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| 22 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:13
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screwed up price movers...i'm guessing there were VERY few trades made.
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| 23 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:14
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Anybody want to admit they sold Amare? And why if I may ask.
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| 24 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:15
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Haha, oops. I misread.
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| 25 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:17
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seriously, who buys Kidd and then sells him 2 days later
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| 26 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:19
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odom look good
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| 27 | reebbertxx
Leader
ID: 561124720
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:22
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21, Amare>James for me.
Kidd -140k is laughable.
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| 28 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:24
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The -150k for Amare was not funny either.
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| 29 | jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:28
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I just hope Senator Urine was one of the Kidd sellers so he can get
back to his triple doubles.
On a light trading day, people who have trades and are playing
short term moves can have a big effect on the market I think.
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| 30 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:33
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melo may be down and out
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| 31 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:36
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27, Amare to James is laughable also
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| 32 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:41
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31...no doubt, I will be making that trade on 1/30. I guess you could figure that James's 4 games at 55 per equals 220 and Amare's 5 games at 40 = 200. Still, I will take my chances with the extra game.
Come on Kobe...a triple double would be sweet.
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| 33 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:48
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32 - if you're making the move on the 31st, why not today?
James 4 games at 53/g = 212
Amare 5 games at 40/g = 200
I didn't make this move, I went Baron->James, but I do see the merrit in making it. The RV swing will be around 700K as well.
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| 34 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:50
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except james had 42.5 tonight...and rumour has it amare's going to get 80 tomorrow
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| 35 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:50
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A few $$s short my man...a few $$s short.
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| 36 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:52
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Besides that, like I said...I liked my odds with Amare getting the extra game.
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| 37 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:57
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only one odom out of 32 GMD teams...i'm guessing that will change
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| 38 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 23:58
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Since we're discussing price movements...I can see the logic in moving Kidd to Kobe today. Looking down the road, there really aren't any better outs than Kobe and since they play the same amount of games until 1/30 and Kidd starts his 2/6 and would be heavily sold then...it would only make since to do the deal today and start reaping the benefits of the RV. Pretty much the same situation as selling Nash today.
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| 39 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:00
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you see, I've tried playing the hindsight game, but for some reason it never works out. Maybe because TSN won't let me make the trades AFTER the games have ended. Although I do thinkt that with enough nagging, they'll budge.
I'll email them now and ask to undo the James move and pickup Odom instead. I'm sure they'll listen this time.
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| 40 | reebbertxx
Leader
ID: 561124720
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:01
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Yeosh explained it well. Amare>James is more points and more RV. I guess the same could be said for Kidd except he averages 4.5 more points than Amare and everybody bought him 2 days ago. Add to that the fact that Kidd can be held through the ASB and Amare has to be moved soon anyways the two are not compareable.
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| 41 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:02
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even on 1/30 i think you can hold Kidd or at least those are my tentative plans. From that date til he ASB only Kobe projects to gain more points and I already have him so I don't see any reason to move Kidd. Is everyone moving on?
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| 42 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:10
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Yehosh didn't tell me anything I didn't know already. In fact...I broke down the points in the post just before his. Sure...you could keep Kidd til the break, however...he is going to bleed heavy on 1/30 and and 2/3, especially if he keeps throwing up stinkers. Kobe only plays one more game than Kidd, but...there are no gaps in his schedule and it is more apt to build RV than Kidd's.
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| 43 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:23
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Kidd won't continue to throw up stinkers
But just because you want Kobe doesn't mean you have to sell Kidd
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| 44 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:31
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Gotta love Anthony Carter. 0-5, but 30.0 TSNP.
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| 45 | bd
ID: 31281917
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:31
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Lamar with a quiet 3rd qtr so far. Meanwhile Camby and A. Carter working well together:)
With Anthony out with a hurt ankle described as pretty bad on rotoworld. Anthony --> Odom, butler, Jamison or ??? (any other suggestions)
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| 46 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:36
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Kleiza looks attractive if Melo is going to miss some time.
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| 47 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:38
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Re: 33
I think Dave R was just being a cranky old man when he called the early Lebron move laughable. I strongly considered it myself on all four of my distinct teams, but at the end of the day I could usually work out some decent rotation where the $2.5mil savings of Amare could be used to generate a lot more than the expected 20 some odd TSNP boost of 4 Lebron vs 5 Amare. The RV swing needs to be factored in as well, but I've been slowly moving towards prioritizing roster efficiency over TSND chasing these days.
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| 48 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:39
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I still have Kidd on my teams and took the losses like everyone else...I simply played devil's advocate and stated that I could see the logic in moving him today, unless of course, you planned on keeping him til the break. I knew he would lose big time...just like Nash. And between now and the break...he has a couple of more dates where he will lose...just like today. IF he doesn't pick up his game he will be gone on 1/30 for me.
You could say the very same thing about Amare...just because you wanted James doesn't mean you need to trade Amare to get him.
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| 49 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:41
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What a strange stat line for carter
0-5, 0 points, 13 assists
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| 50 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:42
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Did Fisher and Kobe switch jerseys to confuse the statkeepers?
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| 51 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:44
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48 -
you're right, I could say the same thing about Amare and I did if you look at my roster.
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| 52 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 00:47
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Wow!...And I have Kidd and Kobe, what a coincidence.
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| 53 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 05:10
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Well I hope Kidd/Amare combine for 200 today.
Doesnt bode well for Gerald these ridiculous price changes.
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| 54 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 08:20
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Yeah Blooki, ( 47 ) I was being cranky. Old man, maybe ;)
Irrational price changes tend to do that. The point I was trying to make, was calling Kidd's drop laughable after stating the move of Amare=> James is somewhat of a contradiction. If you wanted James bad enough, Kidd to James worked as well as Amare.
We can slice and dice per game averages anyway you want to make trades make sense, sometimes. Giving up a stud game in Amare or Kidd to get James makes no sense. At least to me. A Grant Hill, for example, to James, well I'd do it in a heart beat.
While we are at it, who noticed Gerald's -10K last night. Must have been some Gerald => Butler moves.
I can hear it now, give me 2 Butler games to 3 Gerald games, but the money swing makes it all worthwhile.
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| 55 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 08:24
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I did notice and I dont like it too much.
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| 56 | Headless Gunners
ID: 50115647
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 09:27
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Big Time guard options however are about to dry up
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| 57 | Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 10:21
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selling Kidd and Amare is NOT the same thing. One guy produces more (theoretically) and can be held until the ASB. Can you guess which one?
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| 58 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 10:31
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One guy produces more (theoretically) and can be held until the ASB. Can you guess which one?
Nope, Kidd can theoretically can be held to the ASB, but won't.
Amare produces more, in all breakdowns, other than YTD, and I bet most go by 30 day averages which gives Amare a slight edge.
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| 59 | Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 10:44
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Amare produces more then Kidd? I guess the only day of the season you can say that is the day after Kidd's season low. I'll ignore that comment :)
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| 60 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 11:28
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Did you mean Kidd's 16 points on 11/19 or his 14.5 points on 11/2? You want to take out the 23 from the other day, he has a slight edge over Amare for 30 days. But to be fair maybe we should take out Amare's low game.
This isn't a Senator Urine, Kidd bashing, I'm a huge Kidd and Nets fan, but as I said we can manipulate numbers and way you choose. Take out his 3 straight 60+ triple doubles and what is he averaging?
So yeah, I think trading Kidd or Amare is the same thing, your giving up a " stud " game for LBJ. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't do it.
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| 61 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 11:54
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With his lousy schedule, Kobe is a clear sell today to either Kidd or Suns.
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| 62 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:09
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Agreed. They all gain a game over Kobe through 1/31! :))
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| 63 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 14:31
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I guess my point was, why would you pick up Kidd only to sell him 2 days later? obviously I'm not a fan of selling either of them since I held them both.
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| 64 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:26
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Guess I should let everyone know that I wasn't among those who sold Kidd. So we're not out of the woods yet. I can't (/can) believe he's doing this to me again.
I did sell Amare for Lebron though. I was planning on doing that from the day I picked him up and it was one of the main reasons I didn't pick up Nash or Marion also - while the Phoenix schedule looks good (and is good), there's no back to back strengthening it at the end. That pretty much means every day is a possible sell date. Combine that with people, including myself, wanting to get into Lebron early, it just seemed to make sense to do the move.
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| 65 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 00:19
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Kidd with another stinker. Even stinkier than the last one.
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| 66 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:44
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Senator, may I urge you to sell Kidd asap? It doesn't make the slightest sense for anybody to move him today but also we all would like to get back his normal production in that slot. You sell, and he will throw 60s at us game after game! :)
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