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Subject: Gasol Traded!
Posted by: Great One
- Sustainer [053272014] Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:50
The Memphis Grizzlies have reportedly traded big man Pau Gasol to the Lakers for F/C Kwame Brown, G Javaris Crittenton and first-round picks in 2008 and 2010. |
| 1 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:53
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I hate to say its a great trade for the Lakers when they are acquiring a guy currently out with a back injury and they gave up 2 #1s, but..... they got someone to take Kwame Brown, which is no easy feat.
On the surface I like the move for the Lakers. He should really help that front line, especially with Bynum out.
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| 2 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:56
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Wow...was Jerry West drunk when he made this deal? I would have thought that the Grizz could have gotten much more for a high quality big man. The two first rounders will most definitely be in the 20's I would think, AND they have to take on Kwame's contract.
Javaris ain't worth that much.
Memphis got hosed!
Also rumors are Memphis is dealing Stro Swift to NJ for Jason Collins
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| 3 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:59
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Wait...didn't realize it, but Kwame is in the last year of his deal. Still doesn't make sense for the Grizz
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| 4 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:02
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haha...Great analysis of the Jason Collins part of the trade by Rotoworld:
As for Collins, he would possibly have some value if he played in a rec league at the Y, but that's not the case.
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| 5 | V-2
ID: 21731510
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:03
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So Memphis trades Pau's 49 million dollars contract (through 2011) for Kwame and change?
I don't think the Lakers have cap flexibility for this to work, this is just a rumor.
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| 6 | Qwerty123
Sustainer
ID: 349431211
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:10
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It's totally within the parameters of the CBA. They just have to match salaries (within 125%) for this year.
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| 7 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:12
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and Yahoo
The Los Angeles Lakers have acquired Memphis center Pau Gasol, a league source said Friday afternoon.
The Lakers will send Kwame Brown and Javaris Crittenton to Memphis in the trade, along with draft considerations.
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| 8 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:13
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Thats why its Kwame in the deal... I bet Memphis would have rather had another young guy with some toughness and upside like Turiaf (to go with Crittenton).
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| 9 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:19
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I am surprised that Memphis didn't insist on including another guy in the deal that would help them out.
This trade sucks for all three Memphis Grizzlies fans.
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| 10 | Qwerty123
Sustainer
ID: 349431211
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:29
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I realize cap considerations are a big part of this deal, but that's a whole lot worse than what they were reportedly demanding from the Bulls last year (Deng and Gordon).
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| 11 | Dean Martin
ID: 270402814
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 15:47
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Bulls fans everywhere have to be wondering how in the heck do they not have Gasol instead. The Bulls have way more talent to offer than pathetic Kwame Brown. This is not gonna look good for John Paxson.
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| 13 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:00
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Wow...was Jerry West drunk when he made this deal?
As you may have forgotten, West is no longer the GM of the Grizzlies. Maybe they'll beg him to come back after this awful trade. LOL
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| 14 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:18
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The Grizz were pathetic. What's below pathetic ?
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| 15 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:24
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The T-Wolves.
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| 16 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:33
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As you may have forgotten, West is no longer the GM of the Grizzlies.
West is still a consultant with the Grizz, and I would think that they had to run this through him before pulling the trigger. He still holds lots of clout over there.
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| 17 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:42
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The Lakers got the second best deal in this trade. Aaron McKie was the clear winner, as he was signed to a $3 million deal (Larry Bird rights) to make the salaries match.
McKie hasn't played all year, and now he gets big cash to keep doing what he was doing. I wonder if he held out for a bigger deal or better perks..lol
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| 18 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 16:51
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I like the deal for the Grizzlies. They need to look 2-3 years down the road. Also they got the rights to Gasol's little brother.
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| 19 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 17:08
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lol barilko about Aaron McKie!!! Classic!
What a coup for the Lakers. Gasol and Bynum on the front line --- TOUGH!
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| 20 | TacoJohn
ID: 590291817
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:01
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Grizzlies will have TONS of money to spend in free agency next season in a year when most teams will have very little. This means they could add a couple of great players at a reduced price.
They'll also have 2 first round picks to supplement that as well as 3 more first round picks in the 2 seasons following.
Obviously Memphis needs to be looking to the future, and this does a pretty good job of that if you ask me.
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| 21 | TacoJohn
ID: 590291817
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:04
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Oh, and they got Critterton and the other Gasol.
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| 22 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:28
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I think it is a perfect case of a team over playing their hand. Memphis could have received a lot more had they made the trade this past off season.
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| 23 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:43
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I think it is a perfect case of a team over playing their hand. Memphis could have received a lot more had they made the trade this past off season.
I agree but I think upper management had some crazy notion that they might be competitive this year. Plus, it's tough to sell tickets when you trade your best player right before the season for a bunch of young guys and a scrub like Kwame.
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| 24 | Prime Time
ID: 511081818
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 18:53
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That's true, but...If they had made the trade in the offseason, they could have gotten much more than the Laker scrubs and a couple of low picks. There were other teams offering much better deals.
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| 25 | Great One
ID: 19057139
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:02
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Critterton was the #19 pick in this draft and has some potential so in essence they got 3 #1 draft picks.
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| 26 | Great One
ID: 19057139
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:07
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Like Barilko, I'm starting to think the Grizzlies did ok here. While not top guys like the Deng deal, they have gotten A LOT of assets for the next 3 years.
Marc Gasol, the 48th overall pick in the 2007 draft, is playing for Akasvayu Girona in Spain. The Gasol brothers were members of the gold-medal-winning Spanish national team at the 2006 world championships. The younger Gasol is 23 and a 7-1, 280-pounder.
"This deal provides us with a significant amount of assets -- two first-round picks, the draft rights to Pau's brother Marc, who has emerged into the top big man in Spain, a talented young point guard in Crittenton and a sizable amount of salary cap room over the next few years," Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace said in a statement.
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| 27 | xpdurmind
ID: 2410323020
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:38
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Gasol might have forced a trade. He's been unhappy with his situation.
West has proven to have a keen eye for talent. He might be targeting a draft pick next year. Also, keep your eyes on Milicic, he might finally be able to justify his draft position.
It looks like a win/win deal to me.
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| 28 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 19:39
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It's a good plan. That's all you can really hope for. The Sixers did the same thing in the Korver deal by freeing up cash via the expiring contract of Giricek, saving money on Korver's salary the next 2 years, and obtaining a #1 pick. And that was Korver. It's all in the plan, and if a team is moving in the right direction, that's a good sign.
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| 29 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 21:34
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All in all, I'd still rather go for a proven talent like Gasol than to rely on future draft picks and freeing up cash, etc.
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| 30 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 21:59
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The difference is whether you are winning----like the Lakers----or losing-----like Memphis. That's what dictates which side of the trade you are on.
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| 31 | Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 03:19
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#27, we've been keeping an eye on Milicic for 4 years now, he hasn't and will not justify his draft position.
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| 32 | barilko6
ID: 180102816
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 10:06
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Here is a little blurb about what 3 other teams were offering.
The Cleveland package was terrible, as was the Portland one.
The Bulls offer wasn't good, so maybe the Grizzlies did ok. I think I would prefer the picks and the cap space over Nocioni and Tyrus. If there was a way to get cap space, Noah, AND picks, then maybe.
Chicago Tribune -
According to Chicago Tribune columnist Sam Smith, Cleveland and Portland both had offers in with the Memphis Grizzlies in an effort to land 7-footer Pau Gasol, who was traded Friday to the Lakers.
According to Smith, the Lakers initially were offering Kwame Brown and Vladimir Radmanovic; the Cavaliers supposedly were offering Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes; and the Trail Blazers were believed to be offering Raef LaFrentz and Travis Outlaw.
The Grizzlies were chasing expiring contracts, however, which posed the problem.
Smith also writes that Chicago, the team who has been linked with Gasol for over a year, were dangling Andres Nocioni and Tyrus Thomas while the Grizzlies wanted Joakim Noah and Thabo Sefolosha.
While there was no official offer on the table, Smith writes that Memphis insiders believe that Chicago would have accepted the deal because none of their core were included, and the Bulls would have taken back a contract like that of Brian Cardinal. [READ]
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| 33 | Slizz
ID: 26119120
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 11:06
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Memphis did OK given the offers out there. Look at what they are going to have going into the next 3 seasons to work with:
Memphis Grizzlies Salaries
Sure its a tough pill for Grizz fans to swallow, but the long-term future looks bright:
G - Conley Jr. / Lowry / Crittenton / Navarro (if they re-sign)
G/F - Mike Miller / Rudy Gay
F - Hakim Warrick
F/C - Darko
C - Gasol
With luck, they win the lottery, take the big man from Texas A&M D'Andre Jordan or Michael Beasley; than they'll likely be a serious contender in a couple years b/c they'll already feature a backcourt as good as anyones in the NBA.
Basically, I see them creating the Phoenix Suns 2.0:
G - Nash/Barbosa - Conley Jr./Lowry/Crittenton
G/F - Grant Hill/Raja Bell - Mike Miller
F - Shawn Marion - Rudy Gay
C - Amare - Darko (Memphis hopes)
Add a splash with one of those rookies mentioned above (Jordan / Beasley) and they could be a pretty scary team.
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| 34 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 11:29
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that's a very generous comparison slizz
i understand the trade, but i don't think their future is that bright yet. get beazly on board and figure out if conley is their starting pg of the future and then you have something
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| 35 | Great One
ID: 19057139
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 11:31
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Don't forget they got Marc Gasol back too -- a 23 yr old 7 footer with some skills. So add him to the mix too.
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| 36 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 14:46
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Slizz has him as C GO.
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| 37 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 16:28
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I thought I recalled during the draft the Marc Gasol was just slightly slower than a three toed sloth.
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| 38 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 09:55
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Another interesting point...Owner is dumping the big contracts so that he can sell the franchise.
What are your thoughts?
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