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Subject: Week 10 Trade Thread
Posted by: money4later
- [2111213116] Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 11:26
Pondering...hmmm |
| 1 | Dean Martin
ID: 411442817
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 13:26
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I'm stuck with Nene & Hawes who according to sportsnetwork is doubtful for Friday.
Plan A) I've got just enough cash to go Murphy/Diaw prefreeze so I lose the Nene game if he plays.
Is it too late for Boris Diaw and his 1 in 6 in 9 days?
Plan B) Take Nene's game tonight(and his $$ losses) > Murphy tomorrow
Hawes>Jeffries today
I'm too late for Blatche and not really buying the Mbah Moute hype, he's done this before and plays for Scott Skiles who is basically a Don Nelson mini-me.
Is Jeffries for real? Or have I lost my mind?
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| 2 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:28
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I understand the "selling pressure" on Harris & Stuckey, but do people have that many trades to blow? So many other issues to resolve.
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| 3 | Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:49
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I think Harris has to go on 1/4 but Stuckey is a hold. This isn't one of those "long bleed-out" situations as we had with Nene earlier this year, or a "will we want him back" situation like with Hawes a couple weeks ago. If you sell him, you're going to want him back on 1/6. He'll start seeing gains by then. I'm all about making money but this seems to be one of those spots to let it slide and absorb some small hits. Another thing to remember is a lot of people still have Hawes. If they have the flex, Stuckey could even be an option on 1/4, who knows. I just think losses will be minimal and it's not worth a trade, and this is coming from the guy who sold Salmons for Brad Miller earlier in the year.
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| 5 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:29
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Just curious why 1/4 is "the date" to sell Harris. His schedule still looks good.
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| 6 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:32
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he has a 7 in 17 starting on 1/4 and he is VERY heavily owned
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| 7 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:28
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The heavily owned is probably the real big factor here. I bought into Mbah Moute just because of the money as I feel he is way too inconsistent and will give more bombs than great games for us. Hope I am wrong as I am on board. I have 8 trades on all of my teams so I am prepared to shed where I need to but as SU said some of these trades are not going to gain you as much as when there are not so many to be moved. It diminishes the power of the trade.
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| 8 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:30
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A few thoughts on the posts above plus Wade thoughts....
Nene is supposed to play tonight. Holding x 2 here.
Harris - still holding times 3. Plan to go to Duhon on 1/4. Sold Stuckey on several teams a few days ago and plan to ride Duhon and Robinson as my cheap gaurds to go with Paul and Rondo.
Diaw - he sure has been fun to watch and I grabbed him in Basic Trade Buying but I couldn't fit him in ultimate last week when the time was right. I don't have the trades stored to buy him for less than 2 weeks when I know I would want to sell him to avoid price hits. Since his price has gone up already, I have to pass.
Wade - at first I thought I would be buying him later this week. However, I would have to 1) sell a value guy in Rondo without gaining any games and 2) pair Wade with a cheap F under 5 mil.
I cannot find any healthy F's that would outperform Rondo and my current forwards + the 2 trades it would take to make Wade happen.
That leaves me thinking rather than grab a cheap forward I know I would want out of sooner than later, I will bank some trades this week and enjoy the guys I have until later next week when some new options come to the table.
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| 9 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:35
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I like the way that sound G!!! HOLD what we got! Love it but it will not hold as many will sell here and sell there. As I sold Nene because I felt the way things sounded he needed a break for multiple issues not really discussed. I think I can undo the trade which I would be willing if I knew he was playing. But I do not even have 50 mil that I am playing with due to a few weeks when I was not active with my teams and really took some huge money losses...LOL great so I am going after cash right now to see if I can claw my way back into this season.
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| 10 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:41
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CJ - reports are Nene is playing. It is in the local Denver paper and can be seen on rotoworld. Selling a guy today who has a 3 in 3 is interesting.
As for Rondo, I have heard rumors that Some Harris sellers on 1/4 are going to Rondo for his dense schedule. So even if Rondo loses a little over the next few days, I expect him to make some of it back on 1/4.
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| 11 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 18:27
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well Looks like I sold Nene yesterday and it is Hawes that I sold today or release last night after the freeze
12/31 12:27am Jeffries, Jared 500,000 -
12/31 12:08am
Now TSN is not giving me a recent trade to reverse and I woudl think I should be able to reverse the trade above and then buy Nene back if I want to?
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| 12 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 18:36
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you can't undo trades once the first game of the day has started (ie. 2 pm today)
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| 13 | Maineac
Donor
ID: 26110315
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 19:55
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Actually it's a little more complicated than that. You can undo up to the start of the next game after the trade is made. Right now (7:53) you can make a trade and undo it before the next scheduled game starts. (redundant, I guess)
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| 14 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 20:49
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LOL okay I guess we can move on from Nene and lets discuss when to trade Mbah! This guy stinks and I only bought to move with the masses....please inform we when to trade out of him or should I lead the way....or all of my whining and them I trade means a 50 game for the rest right?
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| 15 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 23:14
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Actually I was only dumb enough to by Mbah for our trade buying basic team.
I say sell Mbah now....this has been a public service announcement.
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| 16 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 00:05
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Guess I should have stayed away from someone named "Mbah"
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| 17 | Dunkenstein
Leader
ID: 039541913
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 06:03
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#1
Dino, here's the story on Jeffries.
When Donnie Walsh came to run the Knicks, his primary goal was to get rid of players who had contracts that lasted past the summer of 2010. Mike D'Antoni helped him by showcasing several of those players, showing that they were better than their ruined reputations after having played under Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas. He showcased both Randolph and Crawford, and Walsh was able to successfully trade both of them for players whose contracts ended prior to the summer of 2010.
Now it's Jeffries turn. His contract runs until the summer of 2011. Injured for the first month and a half of the season, Jeffries has only recently returned to basketball shape. So when you wonder why D'Antoni's starting him and played him 37 minutes against Denver, you'll know the answer. Mike D is showcasing him so that Walsh can eventually trade him for a player(s) who won't be under contract the summer of 2010.
At his price, he's not a bad buy. And he could be our first G-F-C of the season.
And speaking of good buys at a rock bottom price, don't overlook Mike James who's now the starting PG for the Wizards.
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| 18 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 09:06
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For any that were unsure, there are no price changes today ( 1/1)
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| 19 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 10:12
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Rondo down 60 k but it looks like to me that you will see Stuckey start to bleed ? And Rondo start to gain again? Harris looks like a safe hold and Mbah to start bleeding and then die after his back to back.
Thoughts
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| 20 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 13:32
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CJ,
Rondo's danger day was yesterday for sure since he didn't play and people were doing some shuffeling. I have no idea what Saturday will bring for any players since it is kind of a weird trading day. There aren't any good options that start Saturday. Sunday should be a gaining day for him from some of the Harris sellers.
As for Harris, I think a large number will move him on 1/4 - Sunday, so I am not sure what you mean by "safe hold" above since I think he will be a 120K+ loser that day and then a bleeder until perahps 1/21 when buys could come back.
Stuckey - for me I had him yesterday on two teams still. I have moved him to Robinson on one of those teams and am trying to convince myself to hold him on the other. 1/7 looks like it could be a buy date. However, ,my concern is with Duhon, Robinson and Ridnour now taking up cheap guard spots and Paul, Wade and Rondo taking up mid to upper guard spots, there are 6 guards that most people will have for only 4 roster spots and as of now, it doesn't make sense to trade any of them back to Stuckey on 1/7 so there are some ??'s for sure there.
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| 21 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 17:22
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I would think this weekend should be interesting as well. I'm not sure we see a lot of buys for Rondo, with only a short stretch, 11 days, of reasonable schedule. I, for one won't be buying Rondo back.
Harris will be gone from most rosters soon. Most of the new buys from Harris might be split between Duhon and Nate. Although not the perfect fit, with his recent production, Ridnour might get his share as well, and there might even be some early sells from Harris to Ridnour also. And Ridnour's schedule lasts longer than the Knicks.
Unfortunately, other than $ concerns, 1/6 is a better day to move Harris to a Knick. I think I'd rather have Harris vs. Sac, than Duhon/Nate vs Boston.
As far as Stuckey, why trade him. A Knick is lateral as their schedule is relatively the same as Detroit. And it would seem silly to move Harris and Stuckey to 2 Knick G's and /or Ridnour.
With Ridnour and Stuckey on board already, I'm contemplating moving Harris to a F, Jamison or other. I hope everyone blowing though trades on cheap G's like Stuckey plan ahead for next week when the likes of Howard, Yao, Camby and Rondo might need to be dealt with. Oh, and maybe Blatche starting to bleed maybe 1/13.
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| 22 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 17:31
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I guess the reason I am thinking about moving Stuckey to Knicks is, well, the money. I expect production to be similar since schedules rare the same and when I run numbers on 1/18, the date I see the Stuckey holders talking about selling Stuckey, the players who come up from that day to the ASB are similar to the ones that come up now. So while on one hand I think about holding, on the other hand I see the potential for a big money difference between selling soon and waiting to get possibly the same guys.
So if if Duhon and Robinson go up from Harris sales then I would have both covered. Still not 100% on my last Stuckey but my lean is that way.
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| 23 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 17:34
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Agree Dave except for Blatche - at his price and if he keeps up production...
there's just one bad sked snag all the way into mid to late March
I'm inclined to hold until then if he rolls on
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| 24 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 18:17
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I'm not advocating selling Blatche at all, I'm just suggesting he will begin bleeding around then. He could/should be held, assuming he maintains his current level of production.
Same with Stuckey. But if we are talking about moving Stuckey for the $, why not Blatche.
If someone wanted to be creative and looking at money, Blatche could be sold to ? and bought back via Stuckey, or a Knick.
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| 25 | Dean Martin
ID: 2210312921
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 20:17
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#17
Dunk, thanks for the info.
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| 26 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 20:58
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The following is assuming all production numbrs and health remain constant. I certainly don't doubt that some will sell Blatche on or before 1/13. In fact one of my five teams is set up for such a move. Things can change between now and then but if today was 1/13 Blatche would not be on that team.
I guess I see two differences between Stuckey and Blatche.
1) While Blatche has a 3 game week right after 1/13 (against NY, NY and GSW I might add meaning those could be 3 big games for holders), he then has more games than any other team to the ASB. With Stuckey, people who are holding are talking about selling him on 1/18. That means buyers on 1/7 will get hit with a price drop 11 days later. In fact I even see Daniels as a possible option for Stuckey owners on 1/11. Between then and 1/18, both teams play 4 games.
2) There are several alternatives to Stuckey in his price range at or near his production at the moment. Cheap producing forwards don't seem to be as easy to find. Just ask all the Luc buyers.
Again, this game changes daily and I found this period to be extremely challenging to navigate thru but that is what makes it fun.
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| 27 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 22:42
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Ahh, G, that's why we play the game, there's no right or wrong way to go about it. Sometimes we make the right call, sometimes we don't.
It's true that Blatche has a super long schedule, with only a slight hiccup in it. I doubt he see's the end of it, hardly anyone ever does.... Harris for example, was there any reason to sell him before 1/4, maybe even later? I'm sure all that bought Stuckey 2 weeks ago, or later didn't think of selling him yet.
I'm not sure where you got a sell date of 1/18 for Stuckey from, his schedule goes a week beyond that. Not saying I would hold him that long but you could. But I doubt that would stop anyone from picking him up on 1/7, an 11 day hold, isn't that what you are suggesting for Rondo?
Maybe Stuckey stinks it up next game and change my mind, maybe he will go off for 40+.
Maybe Millsap comes back strong and we see some "protect my gains " Blatche => Millsap trades soon. He is up over $1M so far. Who knows.
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| 28 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 01:34
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Well yes Dave your post and my posts seem to have finally found an common ground. In post 21 you asked the question why trade Stuckey? I replied with some reasons and agree with your comment in post 27 "there is no right or wrong way to go about it".
I have seen some interesting trades over the years but I certainly wouldn't think twice about anyone who went Stuckey to Duhon, Robinson or Ridnour in the next few days nor would I find it odd that people held and took the $ loss.
As for Blatche, yes, I for one will be watching that game against the Lakers very closely tomorrow night. If all looks good, I don't think I can wait until 1/13 on a few of my teams that will ride without Wade.
And just a comment on schedules, I think we have both played this game long enough to know that a guy with a 3 week hold schedule means 2 weeks (give or take a few days maximum). That is one thing Blatche has going for him and why I would be hesitant to move him because not only does he play two of the best teams TSN points wise 3 times in his short week but he also has 3 weeks of 4 games after that so you could bank on holding for about a month from today before you would have to move him.
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| 29 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 01:43
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Sorry to post again but I read your post and missed a couple points. I reference the 1/18 date on Stuckey because I have read a few posts that talk about him being a hold until 1/18. As for Rondo, like the comments on Stuckey above, my posts are not suggesting that people buy Harris from Rondo on 1/4, that is up to the individual. My posts are simply highlighting comments that I have seen from others posts where people are looking at a Harris to Rondo move on 1/4. If people do what they posted, I expect a bump to Rondo on 1/4. Since it gains a game and he starts a 5 in 7 shortly after that, he may be a good bridge to another player. THat isn't my move because I already own Rondo and I am holding him as a bridge.
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| 30 | Allwell
ID: 32050210
Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 13:15
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my question is diaw or jeffries today?
I moved stucky/biedrins to clear the guard spot for Wade who I really wanted today. Not sure if I should get diaw or jeffries. JJ is a bit more of a risk, but most people have already bought diaw and his chedule isnt that great coming up soon... Any ideas?
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| 31 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 13:29
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JJ is risky but the fact that he has no rv downside is a plus. Diaw is great imo and is the better option if you have the trades to move him in 9 days.
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| 32 | Allwell
ID: 32050210
Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 17:57
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I went with JJ and decided to roll the dice... Looking at his stats I dont think he has even had a good game yet, but if he keeps starting and getting 30mins plus he should be able to put up something. Potential for a $$ train and 3 position eligibility.
Plus the team im competing with already has diaw.
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