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Subject: DJ's GMD Team - TP 4
Posted by: deejay
- Sustainer [501182710] Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 20:15
Welcome to Round 4...
A Special Welcome to bd and Donkey Hunter
Lets keep rolling....
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| 1 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 04:29
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I'm probably buying a cheapie today, how would you rank the following guys?
Omri Casspi
Channing Frye
Danilo Gallinari
Roy Hibbert
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| 2 | DrD
ID: 3801474
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 05:15
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Gallinaro, Frye, Hippert, Casspi
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| 3 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 05:42
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Frye, Casspi, Gallinari, Hibbert
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| 4 | Heather
ID: 50117316
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 06:31
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I would rank them same as deejay
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| 5 | bd
ID: 51129513
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 06:39
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Ditto ... same as DJ
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| 7 | bd
ID: 51129513
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 07:08
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Had a rough start to the season so am way behind on RV to everyone here (although near the top of the league I am in surprisingly).
I have 5 trades and planned on the following:
Boozer, Howard, Randolph --> Kaman, Bogut, Camby after games of 1/9.
This leaves me two trades with 4+ players that could/should be traded (Beasley, Noah, Harden, Sefalosha). I have had the last two for a long time and didn't want to trade cheapies... but their production is now at a point that even I can't tolerate. If I trade them, I would have to hold Beasley and Noah through this trade period at least. I had originally planned for Beasley to be a long term hold, but his production lately hasn't been good and I am worried about price hits. The plan right now is to hold them both anyway.
I would have about $10.2M if I trade Harden and Sefalosha and have no g/f flex so I would need two guards. Any suggestions?
Option B -- Boozer, Howard, Randolph --> Kaman, Bogut, Frye. Then Harden, Sefalosha --> Paul, Jennings. (I am $.04 short to do this right now so I would need some help with price changes.)
Sorry for the long post. I will be in meetings all day and so thought I might as well put all thoughts out there while I can.
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| 8 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 07:14
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Sorry to Bd and Donkey Hunter, I'll update the spreadsheet tomorrow to include you guys.
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| 9 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 07:16
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Frye, Hibbert, Gallinari, Casspi
The biggest issue with Casspi is the pending return of Kevin Martin. While they don't play the same positions but I see most of Casspi's tsnp comes from scoring and a volume shooter such as Martin's return will be a negative to Casspi to some extent.
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| 10 | twolves
Dude
ID: 811161317
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 09:00
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In your position unless there are money concerns, desire to differtiate, or you will be buying another shortly, I would probaly opt for fyre based on games coming up and recent production.
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| 11 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 11:34
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Re: bd
If you're looking to save trades, I'd strongly consider holding Zach. He's been doing it for a month now and I see no reason we should expect him to slow down.
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| 12 | twolves
ID: 161542014
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 12:24
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BD,
In your position, I think Paul should be top priority 1/9 with his schedule even if everyone has him.
Howard and boozer are the 2 most expensive to raise money. I assume you may eventually need another center and Frye would fit.
I agree with possibly holding Zach as his schedule is better down the road and production has been good.
As far as the others--Trading Noah or Beasley make sense to afford one of the three Kaman, CAmby or Bogut.
Harden and sefolaosh have decent schedules but if can be upgraded with remaing cash to desirable player makes sense.
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| 13 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 12:43
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Took a more detailed look bd, I'd recommend
1/10 Boozer => Kaman
1/10 Dwight => Paul
...as locks.
I'd strongly recommend Noah or Beasley => Tyreke immediately, but that's because I believe Tyreke is going to be a must-have choppy schedule, K-Mart's imminent return and all.
You'll probably be tempted to get Bogut after that from the F you don't sell. I'm not terribly thrilled about that idea because I'm not that high on Bogut. Camby would be the next guy I would be eyeing in that range after Kaman, but you can't afford him unless you downgrade Harden to Omri Casspi, Rasual Butler, Juwan Howard, Nick Young, etc.
If it were my teams, I'd probably make those three moves and then wait and see how my mediocre holdings are playing and if the situations of any unowned midrangers changes and starts demanding a buy.
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| 15 | bd
ID: 51129513
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 19:49
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Due to limited flex... If I go Noah or Beasley to Tyreke then I couldn't go Howard to Paul, which I feel is more important.
Leaning to Boozer/Howard --> Kaman/Paul and holding others at this point.
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| 16 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 19:49
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BD,
I agree with the others that Zach is holdable because of that 5 in 7 starting late in the month. He'll lose money during the 1 in 5 but will start getting bought again as soon as 1/14 and should produce well for his price even though his schedule will be slow for awhile.
Harden has to go, but I don't know about Sefolosha. He's been averaging around 20, can't lose much money, doesn't have a horrible schedule and provides flex. It depends what you can get for him, but if you're short on trades he seems keepable.
Blooki, I don't understand your quick dismissal of Bogut. He's averaging 34 for the year at only 5.5 million and was just as good two years ago. I'm planning to get him X 3. Kaman might be a better buy, but I want both.
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| 17 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 23:47
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BD, like Blooki said Howard/Boozer to Kaman/Paul should be absolute locks. Make those moves and tweak from there. Like others I see no reason to move Zach at this point. I'm not sure I'm going to buy but in no way would i sell if I had him. I look at Beasley and Noah almost the same as Zach, not a buy but not a necessary sell either. Noah is a great value guy and being a center could help in the near future. Beasley sucks but that schedule is golden. If you do the Kaman and Paul route can you afford and have the flex to go Harden>Frye?
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| 18 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 00:05
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Re: 16
I just believe there are so many ridiculous value guys right now that a guy like Bogut is overpriced. Heck, I'm planning to sell Brandon Jennings during a hot schedule because he's overpriced.
I think this is due to the lower starting prices this season. In any other year, Bogut would look great. This year though, he's at the back of a long line of value players.
I don't think Bogut is a terrible buy and he may fit many teams. All I know is that I ran my numbers and scenarios for my teams and every time I had to "settle" for Bogut over say Camby because I was just short TSND-wise I scratched that plan and went back to the drawing board.
Keep in mind this is the guy who was excited to go Lebron James to Dwight Howard, skipped Kobe because he would rather have Paul early and has recently owned Marreese Speights, Tyrus Thomas and Tony Allen. Ugh...
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| 19 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 00:07
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Oops, sorry bd. Didn't look at the flex that carefully.
Again, without looking carefully Noah/Beasley to Camby/Frye sounds good.
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| 20 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 02:40
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Bogut fits for me because I don't have "Blooki money" plus, while I haven't banned Camby completely, I do try to avoid him when there are other decent options.
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| 23 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Jan 09, 2010, 08:30
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I think most of this trade week's action happens around the weekend so just want to hear what others are thinking. Besides Boozer > Kaman I have no idea what else to do. I suppose Bogut will be as sound as a choice as Kaman (or the higher priced Camby) so the option is there depends on RV and future moves. I am slightly worried at the Buck's schedule with a lot of road games against strong Western conference teams so there could be a chance of several blowouts which would somewhat limit Bogut's minutes, not to mention he plays for Skiles who has a pretty short leash.
I am not too sold on Evans due to 1. the schedule is very choppy with 6 games in between 2 1-in-5s. 2. his ankle is still not 100% as reported elsewhere and 3. the pending return of volume shooter Kevin Martin. I guess pretty much everyone has Paul and Wade as their stud guards and possible Kobe/Nash/Westbrook to round out the guards so I suppose there is limited demand for Evans. As it currently stands I do not see myself picking him up. The outside chance will be from Westbrook but it's pretty lateral as well since they both have essentially identical schedules next week and the same sell date.
Some questions to ponder: are people going to hold Love through the 2 in 6 next week? is Lebron worth getting back into given he pretty much plays every second day from next Thursday onwards? With 8 of the next 10 games at home, could Foye become the next train?
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| 24 | twolves
Dude
ID: 811161317
Sat, Jan 09, 2010, 15:40
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It is interesting that everyone likes Kaman over Camby. I like both until Griffin comes back and even then not sure how things will be divided up. I am not sure Camby gives up any minutes--it is a matter of his health which makes me very nervous and coming off a recent injury.
There are plenty of altrnatives at forward/center to differentiate with good schedules here including Milw and WAsh and New Orleans. It should be interesting to see what happens here.
Becasue the guard position is tight, I doubt Foye becomes the next train for a while unless tyreke or Jennings gets injured or flops.
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| 25 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Sat, Jan 09, 2010, 15:46
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I have Evans and I think the choppiness of the schedule actually has its benefits. He has no obvious "everyone will buy him day" so he'll get bought over a long period of time and make more money that way. He has some off days to rest his ankle but his production is so great for the price he's worth having for fewer games than an alternative like Jennings (or Foye). I don't consider Westbrook > Evans lateral because it opens up lots of cash and I don't think they have the same sell day because at Evans' price I don't think he has a sell day. This all goes out the window if he's really hurt, but the way he's playing he doesn't seem to be.
I think I will probably keep Love. I have other ways into Kaman and Bogut. I don't know if I can afford Camby too or want to take that risk. Love is a good hold under normal circumstances: it just happens that lots of players with great schedules are cropping up.
LeBron might be worth getting back into, but I like the fact that trading him allows me to significantly upgrade Q-Rich, who just plain sucks.
I don't think much of Foye, not at 3.35 million. He averaged 26.4 TSNP getting big minutes last year and I don't think he's a true point guard. He could easily be the next horror story who quickly gets his minutes yanked a la Blair and Speights.
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| 26 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 00:49
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I'm strongly considering buying Camby. I would go Noah/Love > Kaman/Bogut tomorrow, then LeBron/Q > Camby/Baron on Tuesday. My alternate plan is to hold Love, not get Kaman until Tuesday, get Nash instead of Baron and skip Camby. Which plan sounds better to people? I am always leery of Camby (plus Baron is no Iron Man) but I'm willing to have him if a lot of others will, which I suspect will be the case. Anyone else planning to dance with the devil?
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| 27 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 01:32
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CBG, the Camby move looks pretty good to me, aggressive in a good way. Pica, I have no interest in Foye as he takes up an extremely valuable guard spot. I'm with you though, besides Boozer to Kaman I have no idea what direction I'm going to go. Seems no matter how I look at everything it all comes down to Tyreke vs. Kobe for that 4th guard slot. And I'm still not 100% sold on moving James on 1/12. He takes a big 1 day hit and then may get buys as soon as 1/14, a very light trading day. The popular move will be into Gerald but that is essentially trading 1 James for 1 Wallace and a bunch of RV by not waiting until 15 to do the move. Money not being a factor would anyone ever rather have a Wallace game over an LBJ game? This screams disaster. Almost wish there was an injury.
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| 28 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 02:22
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Reebbertxx, if you traded LeBron would you be upgrading another spot? For me, moving LeBron means hopefully being done with the awful string of cheapies I've had this year. Maybe with 3 million more than I have you're already at that stage and you don't need to move LeBron.
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| 29 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 02:37
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I'm a little less sure about holding Love after tonight's game. For some reason Rambis thinks he has a 12 men rotation, perhaps he's into talent evaluation mode already.
What he said afterwards also worries me a little "Timberwolves coach Kurt Rambis said after Saturday's game, "There might be a player or two who has to make a sacrifice in terms of giving up their starting positions so that we ... don't have this drop-off with the second unit."" Love's 22 minutes is the lowest since coming back from injury.
Maybe I'm slightly paranoid after one game but the timing of the game is concerning.
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| 31 | bd
ID: 51129513
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 09:12
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Pulled the trigger on more trades than I needed to today.
Boozer/Howard/Noah/Randolph became Paul/Bogut/Kaman/Camby
Could (and probably should) have held Randolph but having a 1 in 5 I decided to pull the trigger on Bogut. I started this TP wanting to get rid of Harden /Sefalosha and both are still there... that's how this game is.
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| 32 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 09:53
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Just Boozer > Kaman for me today.
I'm wondering what other Kobe owners are thinking about what to do with him next week. It's probably a stretch to hold through a 2 in 7 but he doesn't transition well into other studs. I don't have Lebron so getting the flex to get Lebron on either the 14th or 16th could be an option, but I also I will probably buying into a losing RV situation.
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| 33 | Gescom
Dude
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 10:28
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Dwight -> Dwyane today, ending up a painful Wade-less sequence.
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| 34 | Gescom
Dude
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 10:30
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Pica, I'm looking to package Kobe and Blair on Thursday for Tyreke and Gerard.
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| 35 | deejay
ID: 57041819
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 10:44
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Boozer => Kaman for me also.
But it still itches...
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| 36 | Heather
ID: 50117316
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 11:58
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I just made a bunch of trades:
Howard & Duncan > Kaman & Camby
which freed up enough cash to upgrade
CJ Watson & CDR to Tyreke & Antawn Jamison
I think Jamison will benefit from the absence of Arenas, and I don't hate anyone on my roster now.
G - Kobe, Paul, Wade, Tyreke
F - Jamison, Camby, Love, Casspi
C - Kaman, Frye
Kobe will probably go to Nash next week and Love to Gerald Wallace. Love is still good, but there are now others I can afford who will be better when his schedule is weak.
With a lot of mid-priced guys having good schedules in the coming weeks, I may not get Lebron back for awhile. The money he would tie up on my team seems better spent on 2 or 3 mid-priced guys than Lebron and 1 or 2 unreliable cheapies.
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| 37 | deejay
ID: 57041819
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 12:11
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Heather could you not wait on CDR => Tyreke ?
CDR plays today...
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| 39 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 07:17
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for tomorrow thinking about Westbrook > Foye, while Love > Wallace more of a lock
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| 40 | Heather
Donor
ID: 171027126
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 12:53
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37 - In retrospect, I could have waited for CDR > Evans and gotten an extra 25 TSNP for holding CDR last night. I only had a 0.04M window for the trade and was afraid that it would close. Turns out Tyreke actually lost 0.01M more than CDR, so I would have been okay.
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| 41 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 18:02
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Pica, do you need the money that getting Foye from Westy frees up? If not between tomorrow and 1/23 when Westbrook should be sold they each have 7 games over that span. Westbrook should easily score more during that span. Unless you view Foye as a super long hold then it makes more sense.
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| 42 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 18:12
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thanks reebertxx, I'm going to redo my plans after deciding to move Kobe to Nash. If WB > Foye seems lateral to you point/game wise, what about WB > Evans? Foye could be a long term hold beyond the 7 games, given he performs of course.
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| 43 | Matic
ID: 180481112
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 18:21
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I could easily move into foye from a number of people tommorrow but my concern is that makes a full guard roster considering I will already have Evans Paul Wade like many people.
That would mean no Kobe unless i only short termed Foye until the 1/21 LaL jumpoff.
Or is anyone considering moving Wade > Kobe on 1/21?
The money move would be easy and Kobe plays 1 extra game in that time frame and also saves people from the inevitable bleed that happens to every highly owned player in his last two weeks.
This would also allow getting that coveted fourth guard now.
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| 44 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 18:32
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The more I look at Foye the better he seems. Evans is the much safer pick and will make(a lot) more money but he comes with the high ownership and the sell pressure that comes with it. Foye could be held as long as needed really. Either one is a good out from Westbrook just make sure you put that free cash to use. I won't be getting Foye because I don't feel like dealing with the risk/reward there. Still not 100% getting Evans but leaning that way. Matic, I think every manager is trying to maneuver those 4 guard slots carefully. Not getting Foye probably keeps your options open best.
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| 45 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 23:03
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As we approach mid-season sell pressure for highly owned players is lessening for me and I will feel no pressure to sell Tyreke as long as his production stays up. I am currently planning to hold him until the last day of the season unless he gets hurt again.
I was planning to get Baron and Camby from LeBron and Q-Rich tomorrow but is there any sentiment for Jamison over Camby? More opportunities with Agent Zero gone and of course not the fabled injury history, but a shorter schedule.
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| 47 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 12, 2010, 06:35
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What a crappy night, highlighted by Hibbert's -0.5, if only he's playing against Dwight Howard every game.
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| 49 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Jan 13, 2010, 14:32
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I came into this week with zero planned trades. Now I might be burning 3 of them on Wade, Camby and Kaman.
Barf...
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| 50 | twolves
ID: 161542014
Wed, Jan 13, 2010, 14:48
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Wade is a tough one since he plays late game. Camby plays early but sure would be nice to hold both and may even if they do not play with their schedules going forward.
Kaman and back does not sounds alot more iffy.
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| 51 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 00:08
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Congrats CBG on being new #1. Pretty great job by deejay during the draft to get 3 managers who have held the top spot already this year.
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| 52 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 03:22
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Thanks Rob. This is the first time I've ever been number one and I'm enjoying it. It may be the last time too with you having LeBron and Rondo tomorrow vs. my nobody.
Even being at the top, though, I STILL think about where I've screwed up and how I could have a lead that would have a good chance to hold up.
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| 54 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 07:10
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Congrats CBG.
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| 55 | twolves
Dude
ID: 811161317
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 08:37
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Congrats to CBG
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| 56 | Maineac
ID: 61142206
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 17:46
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great job CBG
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| 58 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 20:56
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Thanks to everyone for your kudos on what may be my one day in the sun.
I felt so clever yesterday: I kept Wade, then traded Duncan for Roy ao I was in good shape whether Wade played or not. If Wade DNP'd I would have the flex to get LeBron. Now I've wandered into the one guy who may actually be injured (other than Kaman) during this panicky time. I owe all my success this season to the time Roy wasn't on my team (he averages about 30 when I have him and over 40 when I don't).
I guess I will go Roy > Crash since it's a two game advantage anyway, but I will skip today's Crash payday just to be 100% sure he's in the lineup (I would be down to one trade) and to give Roy the chance to be upgraded to "probable" tomorrow.
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| 59 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Fri, Jan 15, 2010, 00:38
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Roy was such a bad break, I really do feel for you there. When you take a risk on a guy that almost nobody has it can really make or break you. There is 3 or 4 guys I'm considering from Rondo right now. I have been planning on Gwall all along and he seems the safest choice but my gut says to go in another direction. Tyreke,sjax, and zach are the other guys I'm looking at.
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| 60 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Fri, Jan 15, 2010, 02:56
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When I looked at the injury list today and saw Roy's name there I thought, "You gotta be s---ing me", but I think I can make some lemonade out of this lemon. Roy was necessary for flex if Wade missed time, but since Wade's okay I can trade Roy for a two game advantage of Crash (or S Jax if I still want flex) and have enough money leftover to go Jamison > Gasol on Thursday. Now if I can manage to avoid more than one additional injury this week......
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| 62 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 15, 2010, 19:05
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Rondo => SJax for me today.
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| 64 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Jan 16, 2010, 09:14
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thinking about Love > Diaw. What do you guys think? +2 games over the next 1.5 weeks and frees up enough money to get Gasol next Thursday. The only downside is stuck with the consistently inconsistent center duo of Frye and Hibbert until Gasol is on board.
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| 65 | Comic Book Guy
ID: 20817160
Sat, Jan 16, 2010, 14:05
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I don't know what to think about Diaw---he's been super hot in his last 5 games but before that he was horrifyingly bad for over a month. I don't know if there's a reason for his resurgence. I guess it depends if you're in a mood to gamble. I certainly don't want to talk you out of him after being wrong about Foye.
Who else could you get at center or do you have another way into Gasol? 3 more games of Hibbert/Frye doesn't sound like that long. Hibbert's still sneaking in some good games and everyone has Frye anyway.
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| 67 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 17, 2010, 05:18
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thanks for your comment CBG. I went ahead and the swing was bigger than I expected, too bad it was a total blowout. Looks like Hibbert is hot again and should be getting the minutes as the pending matchups are against "conventional" centers, ie not Frye and Bargnani, just might attract some buys again.
Will probably get Pau from Jamison on Thursday. Jamison has been absolutely awesome but dollars and games are on Pau's side. Still no Lebron though, but has been without him since before Christmas.
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| 70 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 06:59
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | d-Comic Book Guy-10311242 | 11186.5 | 80 | 3124.5 | 1 | 70.86 | 0.00 | 70.86 | 0.09 | 4 | | 2 | d-reebbertxx-10195925 | 11039.5 | 149.5 | 2970 | 2 | 73.04 | 2.36 | 70.68 | 0.28 | 4 | | 3 | d-Deejay-10041419 | 10844.5 | 113 | 2902.5 | 15 | 72.52 | 1.55 | 70.97 | 0.36 | 4 | | 4 | d-twolves-10018156 | 10784 | 113 | 2711.5 | 17 | 69.60 | 1.77 | 67.83 | 0.39 | 4 | | 5 | d-Blooki-10224299 | 10740.5 | 113 | 2729.5 | 9 | 71.67 | 1.28 | 70.39 | 0.27 | 4 | | 6 | d-Heather-10695744 | 10418.5 | 62 | 2556 | 61 | 67.85 | 3.53 | 64.32 | 0.29 | 4 | | 7 | d-PICA-10104259 | 10177 | 98.5 | 2674.5 | 92 | 67.12 | 2.78 | 64.34 | 0.41 | 5 | | 8 | d-bd-10854742 | 9903 | 104.5 | 2576.5 | 278 | 61.35 | 0.18 | 61.17 | 0.36 | 4 | | 9 | d-Gescom-10522565 | 9840.5 | 62 | 2463.5 | 184 | 64.00 | 1.34 | 62.66 | 0.01 | 4 | | 10 | d-Donkey Hunter-10972105 | 9343 | 165.5 | 2297 | 359 | 55.51 | 0.47 | 55.04 | 0.02 | 12 |
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