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Subject: Weykool GMD - TP 6
Posted by: damoose7474
- Leader [181042723] Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 14:16
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | w-Senator Urine-10353684 | 16365 | 223 | 5314 | 2 | 79.83 | 9.57 | 70.26 | 0.12 | 9 | | 2 | w-qwert-10055562 | 15424.5 | 273.5 | 5285.5 | 43 | 74.07 | 10.59 | 63.48 | 0.42 | 5 | | 3 | w-dpr-10043614 | 15134.5 | 267.5 | 5021 | 118 | 72.77 | 10.71 | 62.06 | 0.33 | 8 | | 4 | w-illmatic-11076448 | 14887.5 | 254.5 | 4755.5 | 133 | 68.94 | 1.75 | 67.19 | 0.44 | 5 | | 5 | w-Florian-10599711 | 14820 | 233.5 | 4911.5 | 128 | 70.03 | 3.40 | 66.63 | 0.44 | 4 | | 6 | w-qwerty123-10086047 | 14656.5 | 272.5 | 4355.5 | 142 | 68.95 | 2.89 | 66.06 | 0.25 | 10 | | 7 | w-damoose-10468631 | 14429 | 194.5 | 4644 | 201 | 67.47 | 4.10 | 63.37 | 0.03 | 5 | | 8 | w-Maineacs-10024830 | 14309.5 | 255.5 | 4661.5 | 269 | 65.22 | 3.56 | 61.66 | 0.13 | 5 | | 9 | w-Coldwater Coyotes-10482471 | 14153.5 | 188 | 4399 | 263 | 56.24 | 0.85 | 55.39 | -0.11 | 7 | | 10 | w-weykool-10178617 | 13906 | 268.5 | 4425.5 | 323 | 61.13 | 5.91 | 55.22 | 0.05 | 9 |
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| 1 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 17:02
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So the original plan today was Lopez to Lebron, but Wade of course changes that. Wade --> Lebron.
I really hate holding Lopez but I don't think I have another option since I already have Rondo.
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| 2 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 17:43
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I just looked up your team. Our teams are almost identical. That has to be a good sign for me. Yea think you just have to hold Lopez and then move him to durant(losing 200k won't hurt you).
I think in 2 days the only difference on our teams will be you howard, or wherever you go from him versus my kirilenko.
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| 3 | matic
ID: 431311915
Fri, Feb 19, 2010, 16:31
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Some new Wizard news
Wiz coach is now moving J Howard into the starting lineup, and big Z in the depth charts as starting center.
I had traded into Blanche after his 55 game with 100% confidence he would be the go-to double double guy from then on and that I was getting into the next big train early, but I wonder if J How will take that role instead and Big Z will no doubt be stealing his boards. A sure thing seems rather iffy now.
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| 4 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Fri, Feb 19, 2010, 20:15
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* Intruder * I am not worried about Howard in the least. He'll either get hurt or be benched because of a hangover again. Blatche is earning his starting spot.
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| 5 | matic
ID: 241211919
Fri, Feb 19, 2010, 20:21
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heh I was just about to post i just checked the wizards box score
Scratch my #3 post Blatche is a monster, only downside is now I got 3 cheapies collison/delfino/Blatche and 8 mill in the bank.
Thanks to Durants 60k gain last night I not missed a Delfino > Durant power move by a few k =(.
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| 6 | matic
ID: 610203
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 04:00
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630k gained last night and 630k gained tonight the move to blatche and the short term rondo from lopez paid off....i don't know why blatche didn't play the last quarter tonight, he had 35 at the half i was expecting 50 (not that im complaining about 38.5 from a 2 mill guy) hopefully tommorrow flip will give him the full 35+ mins and have him put on a dwight howard performance
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| 7 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 14:44
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Ugh, have a HUGE decision to make now. Originally today was going to be a simple Lopez to Durant, but I just wasted half the day looking into possibilities and there's just so much that can be done.
Question #1 - Assuming you had to roll with one going forward, would you rather have Tyreke or Westbrook?
Westbrook Pros: flexibility in possible future moves, very explosive, and doesn't get injured
Tyreke Pros: is more consistent and has a higher average and is cheaper should I need the money
Question #2 - 3 Rondo vs. 1 Dwight for two trades. Is this worth it? I hate giving up games of either and originally I wasn't, but now it's looking like it could be in my best interest.
Part of me is tempted to just split my teams, but it's still February and that could end up doing more harm than good. I've projected a ton of different routes to 3/17 and one is emerging a clear winner, but if that rotation is derailed by an injury or something, then a plan that completely neglects that rotation is the winner.
And you know other things will pop up too that are too hard to see / predict now. Does anyone have any opinions?
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| 8 | matic
ID: 39152014
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 15:05
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SU i also have a desicion to make tonight
for Durant move
I was planning Rondo > Durant but now I am considering Nash > Durant since he has had 4 subpar games in a row. Nash plays 6 in Rondo's 4 in the coming stretch so if all things equal, holding Nash makes most sense. But A. Nash has been sucking since ASB and B. i would trade Nash into Rondo anyway at 3/2. Soo right now I am about 50/50 (although I am leaning towards holding Nash since if he goes back to normal output (35-40) then that would yield me a greater chance of points rather then hoping for Rondo to put up a string of 50s) any suggestions?
SU to address your questions
I would choose tyreke over westbrook 99 out of 100 times. The biggest con to tyreke would probably be is very high ownership but I doubt you still care about RV that much anymore since you are on top. I guess if I were you I would just choose the player whom schedule best links into a possible future replacement.
for the Rondo/Dwight thing i don't understand how youre getting 3 rondo from 1 dwight? Maybe i missed something, but I think i'd go with the 1 dwight and save 2 trades if it involves getting or holding rondo now becayuse Rondo will definitly lose $$ today and I feel like he will keep losing a little until 3/2.
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| 9 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 15:21
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That's a tough situation. According to rotoworld Nash has admitted he's not doing well physically and that he would have missed games if not for the Phoenix training staff. That combined with my bias towards Rondo, I'd lean towards holding Rondo and selling Nash. But it's definitely not an easy call given Phoenix's schedule.
Yeah, I'd rather have Tyreke also, there are just a few strange factors that make it harder.
- Both can be held a long time, Tyreke more easily probably despite the high ownership, but the option to sell Westbrook paves the way for some fancy rotations that could really pay off. With the way Tyreke's schedule is laid out, those rotations don't really make sense.
- It seems like Westbrook never gets hurt. Tyreke has actually been my LVP this year, I've bought him more than any other player and always end up selling him due to an injury. On the opposite end, when I bought Westbrook over Deng as a temporary fill in (due to a Tyreke injury coincidentally) I ended up holding him for ages due to his excellent play. That was possibly my best pickup of the year.
And on the Dwight / Rondo question - there's some triangling / rhombusing going on in there. I'm really biased towards Rondo, I absolutely hate missing games of his. If it was a 3 vs. 1 against any other player than Dwight (excluding Lebron of course) right now it would be an easier call to make. It feels like a coinflip. I could see Dwight getting 70 and Rondo averaging 35, and I could also see Dwight getting 30 and Rondo averaging 50. I'm really torn on this. Ironically it would be a non-issue if I just had a little bit more FV.
I need to go for a walk and clear my head, I've been going at this for hours now. When I come back I'll try to see if I can play around with those rotations to see if I can find a way to pull it off without using Westbrook as a jumping board. If not it's going to be a really tough decision.
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| 10 | matic
ID: 301232015
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 16:38
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SU
hmm i looked at your team and realized that you have both howard and rondo and what you are trying to do is trade b lopez + either rondo/howard for durant + tyreke/westbrook right?
if you are so iffy on the rondo howard situation what i would do is just trade b lopez for durant today. Westbrook is not a must buy and tyreke can be picked up on 2/26. You can trade rondo then for tyreke...the money swings will be about the same for them in that time period I think but this way u get 3 rondo games over 3 tyreke games which will yield you more points. I don't see that theres any point in trading howard at this point since u already ate the bleeds all week and he will be a big pickup starting tuesday and all throughout next week.
If you really think you need tyreke/westbrook why don't you trade delfino for westbrook today, i feel delfino will start losing starting tonight and definitly tommorrow despite his schedule. And this way you can still move rondo > tyreke on saturday and just get rondo from Deron 3/1. I think that work out perfectly with your guard slots and then you have everyone you want and not miss any of the games you are worried about.
Back to my dilemmna, yea i didn't know nash is injured...i might have to rethink that then, as of now I have rondo traded for Durant because i get 6 nash vs 4 rondo for 1 trade which in normal terms is worth it. But since Nash is producing 30ish and Rondo 40ish it ends up being almost even but at a loss of a trade for me (since I will be trading nash to rondo next week anyway) the main thing that pushes me to keep nash is that RV wise he will gain or atleast lose less then Rondo will over the next week. But yea if he is in fact injured in some way I would need to cut him loose.
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| 11 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 17:31
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Yeah, I was kicking around that idea, basically the problem comes from being just short in FV. We're thinking the same way about Delfino, I'm 99% sure I want to move him tomorrow for a stud, but the catch is I can't make that move unless I free up a little bit of money by getting out of either Rondo / Howard for Tyreke / Westbrook. If I sold Delfino for Tyreke today and kept Rondo/Howard, aside from the 3 Tyreke vs 4 Delfino (a wash essentially), I wouldn't lose any games but the move I'd be making tomorrow from Delfino in the sell Rondo/Howard plan I'd just be doing a week later from another slot. So basically I'd be throwing away a huge price swing just because I like Rondo, even though there's no game advantage on the other studs I'm considering.
It sucks that you can't wait for more information on Nash's injury. As of now it doesn't seem like he'll miss games, but it could be one of those headache situations where he plays reduced minutes at a reduced level and then DNPs out of nowhere as a final gift. I'd rather have Rondo, but it is hard trading out of that Phoenix schedule, especially when you know Rondo's going to lose.
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| 12 | matic
ID: 301232015
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 17:35
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hmmm i understand what u r saying so what are you deciding on?
Something else I could do would be to just sell both nash and rondo for David Lee / Durant and i still have cash leftover to get Westbrook from Delfino today. This would leave me with a great team for the next 2 weeks but also makes me do 3 trades on a day when I really should just be making one.
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| 13 | matic
ID: 301232015
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 18:25
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ok i went with a new plan
I had just realized that if i went with the 3 trade plan for Durant/ D Lee/ tyreke or westbrok pickup tonight it would lock me out of getting Dwight Howard next week.
I think its safe to assume that Dwight should be more of a priority then D Lee. So I just went with Nash > Durant, that way I can trade Rondo on tuesday into Dwight and still have the cash leftover to make Delfino > tyreke after his next b2b. I can always get D Lee/Rondo from Bogut or Kidd later. Only decision now would be whether to trade Delfino for Tyreke today or on friday. Deciding if delfino would lose/gain more then Tyreke would over that period (Delfino will bleed some but could also possibly gain some maybe? Tyreke can gain today but also might bleed a little over his 1in4 who knows) And also deciding if 4 delfino vs. 3 tyreke is better TSNP wise. you had said its a wash and using averages that is true but if delfino somehow puts up a 35s again that can turn in his favor real quick although salmons is eating some of his minutes now i suspect. Overall I think it will be very close $$wise and pt wise so I figure i'll just save the trade for now. Here's to hoping that Nash doesn't suddenly remember how to play basketball over the next few days and make me regret tossing a stud with an imminent 8 in 12 =).
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| 14 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 18:40
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I think that's a good plan. I really like Lee but as you said he can be worked in later without missing too many games, and if getting him now means no Dwight at all then I don't think you can do that. As far as moving Delfino tonight or next week, that's tough. The safe move would probably be to hold him and then reevaluate in a couple days. If it looks like he's still going to be good, you can take the 2 vs 1 on Tyreke. If it looks like Salmons has ruined him, you can take the 1 on Tyreke. Of course if you choose Tyreke, 3 Tyreke vs 4. Delfino is better than 1 Tyreke vs. 2 Delfino, but I guess it comes down to how you think the price swings will go / how willing you are to risk an early injury.
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| 15 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sat, Feb 20, 2010, 18:50
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Argh, with my thing, I've run so many numbers and I still don't know what to do. Basically it all comes down to the relative production of Westbrook vs. Tyreke.
If Tyreke can average 3 more than Westbrook (and stay healthy), he makes sense even though it feels wrong passing on Westbrook tonight. If Westbrook can average 3 more than Tyreke, then he makes sense. The first scenario is probably more likely.
So basically, most signs are pointing towards Tyreke, but I'm still second-guessing it.
As far as money, it seems as if Westbrook should gain more. But after tonight how many people are really going to be buying him? Tyreke should have a more steady incoming stream in theory, but then again so many people own him already.
Maybe Tyreke is the way to go just so that I have more time to debate the Howard / Rondo thing, and see if any players go down before the 10:30 game. What do you think?
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| 16 | matic
ID: 45120213
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 04:20
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AH SU i see you folded last minute and went Rondo > tyreke huh?
I signed off around 630 and last minute did delfino > Tyreke as well before celebrating my saturday night, i checked stats on my blackberry all night only to see westbrook almost TD and tyreke suck! So thats the two of us! Only consolation for me tonight was that Kidd and Blatche did very well and that Delfino crapped out completely.
Still I wonder if it might have been better to just have held delfino to seek out other options later in the week. Now I'm thinking TMAC could have been a better option instead of Tyreke or westbrook, he has flex which would make him highly valuable and NY also has a schedule that you can hold on to forever. If he keeps up at a 35+ rate I may go Bogut> TMac next week, i realized I don't have enough for Bogut > D Lee unless I force another trade to free up a million. I don't see anyone else on my team that would warrant a tradeoff just so I can get Lee on my roster, although nights like he did tonight really hurt me =(. Well here's to tyreke putting up 60 tommorrow and Westbrook getting injured!
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| 17 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 07:24
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I still feel sick about it this morning, but it was a move I had to make. I did some projecting over the next few weeks and basically as things stand I'm just short for the roster I feel I'll need. So it became an issue of 1 Delfino + 4 Stud games and $$$ vs. 4 Rondo games (and then going into that stud anyway after the big price swing took place). Rondo will inevitably go off, other than Lebron there's no player I like betting against less. But I really had to do it. Westbrook's start over Tyreke is just icing on the crap cake. Blah.
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| 18 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 07:29
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Btw, I think selling Delfino for you was the right move. It's looking like that party's over and by the time he gets to the end of the back to back he may have already lost a decent amount.
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| 19 | matic
ID: 54110218
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 09:10
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Yea ...there is almsot no good options out of him today, he is most likely going to be one of the top losers today and on a small trade day like tonight that can mean triple digit losses for just a handful of sellers.
On the other hand, I was looking at my squad today and I was just wondering...why I didn't just trade Delfino > D Lee last night because I have more then enough to. I think I just got caught up in all your talk about westbrook/tyreke that i overlooked that I could have just bought Lee.
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| 20 | Senator Urine
ID: 348262116
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 09:26
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Haha, whoops, my bad. It's amazing how you can spend so much time looking at things from almost every angle possible, and then something like that jumps out at you right after. I think it's safe to say I spend an unhealthy amount of time analyzing the schedule and I still catch seemingly obvious things I missed all the time right after the freeze. Maybe it'll work out for the better, who knows. I remember earlier this season Blooki accidentally missed selling someone (I think it was either Westbrook or Lee actually), and with the way things played out it ended up being the best thing that could have happened for his team.
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| 21 | matic
ID: 211572121
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 22:57
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It looks like we gave each other some great advice this weekend SU
Firstly our decision of tyreke > westbrook ...atleast tyreke covered westbrook's first game with yesterday and tonights performance...now he just has 75 more points to catch up I'm sure he can do it!
Then me trading Nash's 6 games instead of Rondo's 4 games was fantastic too, I was sure superhyped Rondo's 4 vs. "so called" injured Nash's 6 would be close enough in points to not warrant a trade but the first game after I trade him Nash finally puts up a non crap game after me holding him through three 30s and a 15.
Sighhh, I think next time we come to a decision on a move we should just do the opposite!
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